Ann Coulter is at it again...say it isnt so!

[Robace252]

Thats right....good ol Ann "pie in the face" Coulter let it out again.
This time at a speech for the Conservative Political Action Conference, in Washington DC, she remarked...and I quote from several websites...
"I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word "faggot," so I — so kind of an impasse, can't really talk about Edwards."
It was noted at first the audience was startled and then many clapped.
Many people including conservatives have been demanding for her to apologize for using such a slur....and by reports there was one that went like this...
in an email she said:
"C'mon, it was a joke. I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards. That would be mean."
Looks like Ann really needs to have her brain examined.

Something else funny about this....
CNN did an excellent report on this and the headline title was "Coulter drops f-bomb".
What was Fox News using as a headline for the story....
"Edwards cashes in on Coulter's slur'
Gee......Fair and Balanced huh. But then again, I shouldnt have to point out that Fox is right-wing media. But just thought it interesting.

Oh Ann...........where was a pie when you needed it most.

Rob

[asutickler]

Ann Coulter is a graduate of the Howard Stern/Rush Limbaugh/Michael Moore school of media relations, the prime lesson of which is "there's no such thing as bad press." Her disparaging comments about the 9/11 widows were apparently not obnoxious enough to generate the book sales figures that she's looking for, so she had to follow up by dropping a slur that she knew would throw the national media into a frenzy.

[Robace252]

True, True asu....the only thing she is good at is getting her name in the paper or on the news. Sad really. But hey....I guess gloryhounds and whack-jobs sometimes go hand and hand.

Rob

[PainTrain]

Just another blond bimbo opening her mouth, who cares?




Something else funny about this....
CNN did an excellent report on this and the headline title was "Coulter drops f-bomb".
What was Fox News using as a headline for the story....
"Edwards cashes in on Coulter's slur'
Gee......Fair and Balanced huh. But then again, I shouldnt have to point out that Fox is right-wing media. But just thought it interesting.



Nothing out of the ordinary. FOX is the most corrupt organisation in the history of news.

[areenactor]

and get away with it?
puhlees!
you liberals are always defaming, name calling, and insulting conservatives, and get free rain doing it. high time you get back some of your own!
go get em' ann!

[isabeau]

and get away with it?
puhlees!
you liberals are always defaming, name calling, and insulting conservatives, and get free rain doing it. high time you get back some of your own!
go get em' ann!

uh oh...you are a conservative???? and i was beginning to like you..tsk tsk tsk lol..

anyway sounds like old Ann is on drugs..has a few screws loose...maybe her brain is trying to get some food, since the rest of her body ain't....i never heard any rumour about Edwards...

[areenactor]

uh oh...you are a conservative???? and i was beginning to like you..tsk tsk tsk lol..

anyway sounds like old Ann is on drugs..has a few screws loose...maybe her brain is trying to get some food, since the rest of her body ain't....i never heard any rumour about Edwards...

really, you didn't hear about it back when he was running in the dem primaries before? he's known as the "breck girl".

[isabeau]

really, you didn't hear about it back when he was running in the dem primaries before? he's known as the "breck girl".

no i only heard him as the husband whose wife had cancer...

[MrMacphisto]

I think liberals are just as glad Ann Coulter continues to defame conservatives as conservatives are glad that Cindy Sheehan does the same to liberals.

[maniactickler]

I love her spunk.

[hivoltage]

Wow - an attractive woman who finds it easy to be really nasty.

Never seen that before.

[giggledude]

and get away with it?
puhlees!
you liberals are always defaming, name calling, and insulting conservatives, and get free rain doing it. high time you get back some of your own!
go get em' ann!

Just out of curiosity (and as someone who has been kicked out of both Liberal and Gay so that that is not where this is coming from), what's the left-wing equivalent? While I have heard many unjust and even ridiculous insults hurled from left to right, I can't offhand recall anything with the same conjunction to physical violence.

And in a question that will probably annoy everyone, wasn't John Edwards basically Dan Quayle on steroids?

[PainTrain]

Wow - an attractive woman who finds it easy to be really nasty.

Never seen that before.


The single most brilliant thing I've ever read on this forum. So true.

[Feathery]

A little known secret is Ann's brother is gay. Brings up that whole Freudian dominating female thing , perhaps? Which I would exploit to the max! Go Ann!!!

[unclebill]

I say throw a pie in her face. :wiseowl:

[cloudgazer2k]

I say throw a pie in her face. :wiseowl:

i second that. the woman is a few bricks short of a full load, and i do hope she'll be one of those people that maxes out her 15 minutes and fades into the background forever.

[Feathery]

Although I completely disagree with Ann Coulter's politics, I do respect her "guts". She says things that many Americans say at the dinner table to their family and friends, or think privately, but would never say it out in public. In a strange way, I kind of admire her courage in her admissions in having a complete disregard for humanity and social decorum.

[tickledgirl]

and get away with it?
puhlees!
you liberals are always defaming, name calling, and insulting conservatives, and get free rain doing it. high time you get back some of your own!
go get em' ann!

Well apart from crazed liberals like Rob (ROFL!) a few conservatives had problems with what she said. maniac may like her spunk, (TMI!!! :xlime: ) but here are a few other reactions from saner conservatives:

Capt. Ed (of Captains Quarters) said (http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/009308.php):
At some point, Republicans will need to get over their issues with homosexuality. Regardless of whether one believes it to be a choice or a hardwired response, it has little impact on anyone but the gay or lesbian person. We can argue that homosexuality doesn’t require legal protection, but not when we have our front-line activists referring to them as “faggots” or worse. That indicates a disturbing level of animosity rather than a true desire to allow people the same rights and protections regardless of their lifestyles.

Michael W (of A Second Hand Conjecture) said: (http://asecondhandconjecture.com/?p=565)
I tend to look at someone like Ann Coulter as a barometer of the country’s general political direction. When she could make wry observations about some of the unfortunate tendencies of liberals (and their fellow travellers) and sell a million books, you knew that the conservatives were in ascendency. When she has to call candidates rude names to get some lukewarm attention, it would seem that the liberals are on the rise.

Dean Barnett (at Hugh Hewitt's blog) was quite direct (http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/380bdbbd-8f01-45cb-8dd8-d1370aa6f1b2):Idiotic. Disgusting. Stupid. Moronic.

Some people may have made fun of Edward's hair in the past. But contrary to what you seem to believe, there's a clear difference between saying a guy has nice hair and calling him a "faggot." Many conservatives recognize that. And they realize that keeping quiet while Coulter spouts excrement on behalf of their movement is a mistake. If she's really lucky, it's not too late for Ann Coulter to recognize that too.

[isabeau]

I love her spunk.


you would....

[areenactor]

first though, i never heard of any of those so-called conservatives, who are bashing ann. none of the republican primary cadidates is what we would call "conservative".
on to the real point; i am a person who was attacked, and molested by a homosexual, when i was 11. at age 16, it was tried again by 2 homosexuals; by that time i was a lot stronger, and a vicious fighter( ah the education one can learn from playing hockey). i broke one's arm, and was punching the face off the other when i was pulled off him. and once again when i was 21, a homosexual briefly fondled me, and i was with a girl at the time! i am just one of those that is highly attractive to homosexuals i guess :mad:
what's the point? a lot of the grief that homosexual get is well deserved. as far as i am conserned, ann didn't go far enough. you can't go too far in knocking homos.

[storm7400]

Yet another example of the Republican party getting their puppet Ann Coulter to create a media frenzy to once again distract the public from issues that matter such as the war. When will the American people finally see thru the smoke screens that the Republicans create and realize what a quagmire that this administration has created for us as a people. When will the media actually report on the pertinent issues such as the war, our lack of a healthcare system, the dangers of a failing social security system and stop trying to be competitive with Entertainment Tonight? For the love of god Ann made an idiotic response towards Edwards, guess what she's an American and has the right to say it. But will the Edwards' camp focus on the real pressing issues that will help him in a Presidential campaign, no they will now shift into damage control over these comments. My disgust with how things have declined in this country increases with each day.......

[tickledgirl]

first though, i never heard of any of those so-called conservatives, who are bashing ann. none of the republican primary cadidates is what we would call "conservative".None of them? Sam Brownback's not a conservative? Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo aren't conservatives??

I don't know who this "we" you're refering to is. But I can tell you that all the political commentators I've read (liberal or conservative), do call these guys conservative. Can you tell me what you consider conservative?

what's the point? a lot of the grief that homosexual get is well deserved. as far as i am conserned, ann didn't go far enough. you can't go too far in knocking homos.

From a personal perspective, I'm sorry for what happened to you. I had some similar experiences in my life. Mine were with heterosexual hispanics. Yet I somehow managed to draw the conclusion that "you can't go too far in knocking heterosexuals," or hispanics.

From a political perspective, if you think the Republican party should take a stand as the party that can't go too far in "knocking homos" then go for it. No, let me take that back. I think we need at least two political parties. Seeing the Republicans drive themselves into complete irrelevance would not be a good thing.

If you want a president who's thinks "you can't go too far knocking homos" then you're out of luck. And I thank god for that.

[PainTrain]

first though, i never heard of any of those so-called conservatives, who are bashing ann. none of the republican primary cadidates is what we would call "conservative".
on to the real point; i am a person who was attacked, and molested by a homosexual, when i was 11. at age 16, it was tried again by 2 homosexuals; by that time i was a lot stronger, and a vicious fighter( ah the education one can learn from playing hockey). i broke one's arm, and was punching the face off the other when i was pulled off him. and once again when i was 21, a homosexual briefly fondled me, and i was with a girl at the time! i am just one of those that is highly attractive to homosexuals i guess :mad:
what's the point? a lot of the grief that homosexual get is well deserved. as far as i am conserned, ann didn't go far enough. you can't go too far in knocking homos.


I'm sorry that happened to you, but saying that "You can't go too far in knocking homo's" is stupid. I agree that many in our community LOVE the attention they get for being homosexual, whether it be negative or positive. I simply hope you understand that we are not all that way.

[areenactor]

the leading republican candidates then. sam brownback, hunter, and tancredo are so far out of it, they almost don't count. i am voting for brownback though.

you folks can call my anti homosexual stance stupid, or the ruination of my party all you want, i really don't care. there is an old saying,"walk a mile in the other mans shoes(mocacin really)". so maybe when you are raped, and molested, you'll begin to understand. till then you're all just howling in the wind to me; noise, and substanceless.

[PainTrain]

you folks can call my anti homosexual stance stupid, or the ruination of my party all you want, i really don't care. there is an old saying,"walk a mile in the other mans shoes(mocacin really)". so maybe when you are raped, and molested, you'll begin to understand. till then you're all just howling in the wind to me; noise, and substanceless.


So you are saying that if you have been molested by a homosexual, it is ok to hate all homosexuals?

[korovan]

Areenactor, let me add along with the other posters that I am sorry you had to undergo those ordeals in your past. But...

Well, let's try to get some perspective by inverting things. Imagine (it's not hard) a woman who has been a victim of sexual abuse as a child and has been raped as an adult... in all cases by heterosexual men. Would she be justified in being "anti-straight-men" ?

Most people would say (correctly, IMO) "No, of course not". The sad fact is, there are molestors and rapist scattered across the entire continuim of sexuality. Most straight men are not rapists... neither are most gay men. So coming down hard against all gay men for the actions of a very few is rather unfair and if not stupid then at least thoughtless (meaning without sufficent rational thought on the matter).

My 2 cents.

[Feathery]

Simply put, Ann is a true elitist who believes in everyone for themselves and let the better of us win. "Let them eat cake!"

[Iggy pop]

the leading republican candidates then. sam brownback, hunter, and tancredo are so far out of it, they almost don't count. i am voting for brownback though.

you folks can call my anti homosexual stance stupid, or the ruination of my party all you want, i really don't care. there is an old saying,"walk a mile in the other mans shoes(mocacin really)". so maybe when you are raped, and molested, you'll begin to understand. till then you're all just howling in the wind to me; noise, and substanceless.


It's this type of thinking that allowed Hitler to brutally murder millions of Jews.

[areenactor]

So you are saying that if you have been molested by a homosexual, it is ok to hate all homosexuals?

as i person i have nothing against you. your identifying yourself as part of the homosexual group as a whole does give me something to be against you for.
yes, because i was raped, not mearly molested, but raped! i was forcably held down, groped, fondled, slobbered on, had my clothes torn off, beaten cause i tried to escape, forced to touch his genitals, had same rubbed all over me, and finally buggered/anal sex. i was 11 years old. that was my introduction to homosexuality.

korovan,you said " i am sorry that you HAD to undergo those ordeals". why did i have to undergo that? as an inocent 11 year old boy, tell me why? there are no buts here. that incident was not my only scrape either. as i stated, two other tried it again when i was 16. they got their's and some of the first guys!
one can only go by ones life experiences. i can feel for women who are raped, i know their pain. that's why i espouse the death penelty for rapists.
i feel pity for the individual homosexual, for the group, i have nothing but loathing, and disgust.

[Robace252]

OK, I was hoping the comments would stray back to the topic of the thread, not personal feelings about homosexuals.
Please keep the thread on topic. If you wish to discuss the ill's of homosexuality or homosexuals in general please start another thread.
While I sympathize with areen, and his right to feel how he does, this thread was not created for that discussion.
Please keep the comments on topic.

Thanks,
Rob

[areenactor]

It's this type of thinking that allowed Hitler to brutally murder millions of Jews.

to my knowledge, as a jew, and as someone who has read mein kampf, i know of no instance where hitler was raped by a jew.
so sir, you are wrong, and just an agitator.
may i suggest you crayon out what you want to say in the future and ask your mommy if it sounds stupid, before you post it.

[isabeau]

i'm thinking that Ann would love all the controversy this is garnering..

[areenactor]

OK, I was hoping the comments would stray back to the topic of the thread, not personal feelings about homosexuals.
Please keep the thread on topic. If you wish to discuss the ill's of homosexuality or homosexuals in general please start another thread.
While I sympathize with areen, and his right to feel how he does, this thread was not created for that discussion.
Please keep the comments on topic.

Thanks,
Rob

sorry, mia culpa. i'll stop.

[Robace252]

sorry, mia culpa. i'll stop.
No problem areen, just trying to keep the conversation on topic.

Rob

[tickledgirl]

to my knowledge, as a jew, and as someone who has read mein kampf, i know of no instance where hitler was raped by a jew.
so sir, you are wrong, and just an agitator.
may i suggest you crayon out what you want to say in the future and ask your mommy if it sounds stupid, before you post it.

Two points: First and most importantly, please refrain from personal attacks. That's my preference, and I believe it's moderator's as well.

Second, his point is valid. Although Hitler was not raped by Jews, he did believe that he had been ill-treated by some Jewish individuals, and believed that this was a valid reason to hate Jews as group. Much as you believe that your abuse by gay individuals gives you license to hate gays as a group.

And I would add that while I'm sorry for the trauma you suffered, I found your self-centered dismissal ("you're all just howling in the wind") of what anyone else's may have experienced infuriating. Get over yourself.

[Robace252]

Please Tgirl.....
I just asked the thread stay on topic.
If you want to argue or debate with areen....do so in another thread.
This is going to develop into somewhere I dont want this thread to go.

Please, Im asking again....
Keep the thread on topic.

Rob

[korovan]

sorry, mia culpa. i'll stop.

Yeah, me too. Good catch, Rob. But before I go, I'd like to clarify something for areenactor: my use of the word "had" as "sorry you had to experience those ordeals" was not meant to imply any neccessity or purpose in those awful, senseless incidents. I am not the world's finest grammarian, so sorry if my word choice conveyed the wrong idea.

So... back on topic: Ann Coulter is an idiot with a big mouth and unfortunately a big audience and a big bank account to show for it.

[tickledgirl]

Please Tgirl.....
I just asked the thread stay on topic.
If you want to argue or debate with areen....do so in another thread.
This is going to develop into somewhere I dont want this thread to go.

Please, Im asking again....
Keep the thread on topic.

Rob

I started writing that post before you made your request and didn't see the request until now. I'll certainly stop.

[drew70]

Two points: First and most importantly, please refrain from personal attacks. That's my preference, and I believe it's moderator's as well.One point: Please stick to the topic of this thread, as you've been asked to do twice now. That's MY preference, and I believe it's that of the moderators as well.

Ann Coulter. She's basically Michael Moore to the opposite extreme. He's extremely fat. She's extremely skinny. He's butt ugly. She's attractive. He's obnoxiously liberal. She's obnoxiously conservative.

[Iggy pop]

A lot of people are saying how attractive "Ann Coulter" is, but I just do not see it. I don't think she is ugly, but I never found her very attractive.

I think Ann is great at what she does, but I take her seriously as take Michael Moore. Which is not very.

[isabeau]

A lot of people are saying how attractive "Ann Coulter" is, but I just do not see it. I don't think she is ugly, but I never found her very attractive.

I think Ann is great at what she does, but I take her seriously as take Michael Moore. Which is not very.

i don't think she is attractive at all, and i always say if i think someone is pretty...she is horsy looking to me, however that shouldn't have anything to do with the fact she opens her mouth and spews out nonsense...msnbc showed the clip tonight again..

[storm7400]

i don't think she is attractive at all, and i always say if i think someone is pretty...she is horsy looking to me, however that shouldn't have anything to do with the fact she opens her mouth and spews out nonsense...msnbc showed the clip tonight again..


Once again another distraction by the Republican puppet Coulter to get the public outraged and not squarely focused on important issues such as the war or healtcare....

[tickledorange]

I heard that many in the GOP want nothin to do with her right now.

[hivoltage]

Please Tgirl.....
I just asked the thread stay on topic.
If you want to argue or debate with areen....do so in another thread.
This is going to develop into somewhere I dont want this thread to go.

Please, Im asking again....
Keep the thread on topic.

Rob
Sorry, Rob - but I believe that you are mistaken.

areenactor's justification of his extreme animosity to homosexuals (lesbians too, I guess??? - which makes even less sense) - is an excellent example of what Ann Coulter was doing - insulting a group that she believes is "fair game" (for her own personal reasons).

While the use of the word 'faggot' in Ann's case was (surprisingly) condemned by many, it certainly doesn't normally provoke the type of condemnation that you would find with an ethnic slur.

The word 'faggot' is still used as a generic insult like 'dickhead' and 'motherfucker' - but is extremely degrading to those who are attracted to people of the same sex.

And yes - areenecator's justification for his animosity is understandable and also completely wrong. I could easily find people who have committed murders and rapes and hate their "entire group" - utter nonsense.

And lastly - areenactor - it would be far braver for you to condemn the heterosexual males ("our group") which has raped millions and millions of women - rather than focus your hatred on the ones who harmed YOU - which I would venture would be a far less number of individuals than heterosexual rapists.

[Mitchell]

I dont often post in the P and R, but will on this topic.

Ann's comment was extremely offensive, rude, prejudical against those of a certain sexual orientation, and, shows just how stupid she really is. For one thing, Edwards is a married hetrosexual guy, so, she used the wrong terminology to describe him, that's number one.
Second, the terminology she used to describe him, is not only offensive when referring to gays, and lesbians, for that matter, it is also one used to insult people in the schoolyards, when people are of school child age, so, Miss Coulter, with her comment, showed herself to have the emotional intelligence of someone who is far younger than her age, and someone who is probably not deservant of the attention she receives, as both writer, and commentator.
I believe she owes Mr Edwards a public apology, and some form of monetary compensation. This is not, from my standpoint,about Republican insulting Democrat. On the contrary. I would be just as offended, if a Democratic political commentator, had insulted a Republican candidate, in such a thoughtless, and unintelligent manner.
It will be interesting to see what fallout, if any, comes from Coulter's comments. If nothing else, she has just further proven herself to have zero emotional intelligence, or social graces. Truly disgraceful!

Mitch

[Robace252]

Ill have to disagree with you hi.
I started the thread, with the discussion being on Ann Coulter and her comments.
Not on the underlying tones, or a discussion about homosexuals and personal feelings about them.
I do not believe she was insulting homosexuals, but by using the term she did. She was intending to insult John Edwards.

Like she said later, likening John Edwards to a homosexual would be insulting to homosexuals.
We can certainly discuss whom we think she was intending to insult. But I do not want this thread disentagrating into a anti-homosexual thread. That was not the intent.

Rob

[cloudgazer2k]

Ill have to disagree with you hi.
I started the thread, with the discussion being on Ann Coulter and her comments.
Not on the underlying tones, or a discussion about homosexuals and personal feelings about them.
I do not believe she was insulting homosexuals, but by using the term she did. She was intending to insult John Edwards.

Like she said later, likening John Edwards to a homosexual would be insulting to homosexuals.
We can certainly discuss whom we think she was intending to insult. But I do not want this thread disentagrating into a anti-homosexual thread. That was not the intent.

Rob
indeed. we need less reasons to hate these days.
it seems to me that Ann disabled her inner monologue button years ago...or never used it in the first place.
John Edwards seems like a softy, but, from what i have seen of him, he is a soft-spoken guy, and seems to have a clear understanding of things.
i think Ann just has cojones...and i ain't speaking metaphorically. healthy, rich, and well-fed people not a politician make...and she is a prime example. let someone who grew up with a REALLY tough life who has good mindset and let's see what happens.
personally, if Ann was replaced with a rake, things might improve.

[GodlessTickler]

I don't tend to post in these threads... because I don't want to get into the right wing left wing debate.... (well at some point I might start my own thread to express my thoughts and confusions but I won't hijack rob's to do so) I actually thought everyone was covering some good stuff but I just had to reply to one thing... yes, what Ann said was wrong, yes it thoughtless, no I don't think she should have done it. Do I think she SHOULD apologize, probably wouldn't be a bad idea BUT free speech is, and has always been a lot more important to me than political correctness. Yes I am fully aware of the pc courts trying to interpret free speech out of existence (protected free speech and all that) but that dosen't mean I agree with their interpretations, the truth is Ann had every right to say what she said, and to say she "owes" him a apology and "monetary compensation" I think is risky ground. Unless you just mean it kind of like the apology, no one should force her to do it but it would be nice. I'm not a fan of hers I thought what she did was in bad taste... and I WISH that it would cause her to lose credibility with her audience and the members of her party, but it is a result of free speech, and in my opinion that, is that.

[areenactor]

then how about bill mar appologising for wanting v.p. dick chaney dead?
mr. mar's comments were far and away more out of line, and gross than ms coulters. but i don't see anyone on the liberal side calling for his head!
i think her comments were funny as hell, when take in context. maybe people should get their funny bones replaced.

[isabeau]

who says Edwards is a softy?

p.s...i'm a liberal sort of, but i never laugh at someone threatening another's life, even Cheney's (sorry that was a lame joke)..

[tickledgirl]

then how about bill mar appologising for wanting v.p. dick chaney dead?
mr. mar's comments were far and away more out of line, and gross than ms coulters. but i don't see anyone on the liberal side calling for his head!
i think her comments were funny as hell, when take in context. maybe people should get their funny bones replaced.

That'd be "Maher." Some idiot commenters at huffingtonpost.com said they wished the attack on Cheney had succeeded. Those posts were removed as inappropriate. Maher later said that if Cheney had been killed less people would be dying needlessly. (Presumably in Iraq)

You can agree of disagree with that political statement. But it's in a whole different class than calling someone a faggot.

The inappropriate joke (which did go much too far) was made by some idiot commenters, and was quickly dealt with.

[Robace252]

I had contemplated starting a new thread with Bill Mahr's comments but I figured someone would bring them up eventually. I dont mind if the thread stray's a little into that because it basically is the same thing. Another political "commentator" saying or agreeing with something out of line.
From what I read, Bill Mahr had on his show Friday a member of the GOP and DNC, Im pretty sure the DNC member was Barney Frank. Well they were discussing the comments on huffingtonpost and that many bloggers agreed with the story calling the suicide bomber attack "wasted" because the VP was not killed. And that if it was successful it would save countless lives, and Im pretty sure they meant in Iraq and in general. Bill Mahr said he agreed with the sentiments fully.

Honestly there are probally a lot of people who feel that if Cheaney wasnt around there would not be as much death...but thats their opinion and they are welcomed to it. But lets think about one thing....IF Cheaney did get killed by a bomb attack in Afghanstan, and the "New" Taliban in Afghanstan claimed responsibility....the retaliation from the US would have been swift and overwhelming. And honestly would have led to a larger number of deaths.

As for his comments, everyone is welcome to have their opinion no matter how tasteless or assinine it is. They just have to be prepared for the backlash, if any, that comes their way.

Rob

[storm7400]

Now I tried to sit back and let this thread take its course without rallying to the underlying tones, but now that a personal hero of mine, Mr. Bill Maher, is being insulted I can no longer do so. First of all watch the entire show and just not pick out things to blast Bill. Bill Maher is a political comedian and who is damn good at what he does and is a brilliant man. The topic in question was whether or not the statements by users should have been taken off the website. Bill was quoting those statements of users that wished death to Cheney by the bomb threats. Bill himself stated that if Cheney were dead that more troops would be alive and I whole heartedly agree with him!


What has this country come to when a person can't express independent thoughts without the public calling for apologies because they don't approve of those thoughts? Freedom of speech is just that, the freedom to express your thoughts without the fear of retaliation. Man I can't wait to have kids and tell them how their father used to live in a free country.........

[Robace252]

Now I tried to sit back and let this thread take its course without rallying to the underlying tones, but now that a personal hero of mine, Mr. Bill Maher, is being insulted I can no longer do so. First of all watch the entire show and just not pick out things to blast Bill. Bill Maher is a political comedian and who is damn good at what he does and is a brilliant man.
I have watched the show. Which is why I never brought up the subject until someone else did and I tried to lay it out a little better. Your certainly welcomed to your opinion about Mr. Maher, I personally do not feel anywhere near as close as you do about his ability or his humor. But thats just my opinion and we both are welcomed to have it.

The topic in question was whether or not the statements by users should have been taken off the website. Bill was quoting those statements of users that wished death to Cheney by the bomb threats. Bill himself stated that if Cheney were dead that more troops would be alive and I whole heartedly agree with him!

Like I said in my first post on it:
Honestly there are probally a lot of people who feel that if Cheaney wasnt around there would not be as much death...but thats their opinion and they are welcomed to it.

What has this country come to when a person can't express independent thoughts without the public calling for apologies because they don't approve of those thoughts? Freedom of speech is just that, the freedom to express your thoughts without the fear of retaliation. Man I can't wait to have kids and tell them how their father used to live in a free country.........
The thing is Im not aware of anyone asking Mr. Maher to apologize. Ann Coulter, yes they did....and she sort of did. But I havent seen anything indicating that anyone asked Mr. Maher to apologize.
And yes, you can say what you want without retaliation. But the same goes for people who disagree with what was said. They have the right to voice their displeasure, and to ask fo ran apology. It does not mean anyone has to apologize, or is anyone forced to. When people make statements in the press or otherwise, you need to be able to handle the backlash and back it up.
If you cant, then let the public decide.

Rob

[storm7400]

Well his panel on the show told him to apologize for his comments but if you consider them nobodies then so be it. While I would like to continue this debate I don't really see this as a debate but more as a lecture and I do not feel in the mood to be lectured....

[tickledgirl]

Now I tried to sit back and let this thread take its course without rallying to the underlying tones, but now that a personal hero of mine, Mr. Bill Maher, is being insulted I can no longer do so. First of all watch the entire show and just not pick out things to blast Bill. Bill Maher is a political comedian and who is damn good at what he does and is a brilliant man. The topic in question was whether or not the statements by users should have been taken off the website. Bill was quoting those statements of users that wished death to Cheney by the bomb threats. Bill himself stated that if Cheney were dead that more troops would be alive and I whole heartedly agree with him!


What has this country come to when a person can't express independent thoughts without the public calling for apologies because they don't approve of those thoughts? Freedom of speech is just that, the freedom to express your thoughts without the fear of retaliation. Man I can't wait to have kids and tell them how their father used to live in a free country.........

Easy there. No one is suggesting retaliation against Maher. On this forum, we've had one emotionally-invested winger suggest Maher should apologize. I think the guy who chose to host a show called "Politcally Incorrect" can stand that kind of heat.

[tickledgirl]

But lets think about one thing....IF Cheaney did get killed by a bomb attack in Afghanstan, and the "New" Taliban in Afghanstan claimed responsibility....the retaliation from the US would have been swift and overwhelming.
I dunno. Who would we have retaliated against? Where would we have found them? If there were easy targets to hit, wouldn't we be hitting them now? Apart from the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan (and if you think things are going downhill now, just wait until springtime) are we really saying, "It's okay to take a shot at our VP so long as you miss. And we're not going to worry about those couple dozen guys you did kill..."

[Robace252]

I dunno. Who would we have retaliated against? Where would we have found them?
I think if something like killing the VP would have happened we would have done something, we would go in like gangbusters (unfortunately) and would have gone on leads that are not 100% proven, but then again when has that stopped us before.

If there were easy targets to hit, wouldn't we be hitting them now?
Right now NATO is leading the sweep in Afghanstan and we dont want to step on any toes. But as I said before, there are some things we know and are waiting on a full confirmation, so less mistakes happen. With current events as they are right now, discression (if thats how you spell it) is the better part of valor.

Apart from the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan (and if you think things are going downhill now, just wait until springtime) are we really saying, "It's okay to take a shot at our VP so long as you miss. And we're not going to worry about those couple dozen guys you did kill..."
Depends on how you think NATO can handle it.
From CNN:
NATO-led security forces have launched a major offensive against the Taliban and drug traffickers in southern Afghanistan, the military alliance's regional commander said in a statement on Tuesday.

The multi-national effort in the volatile northern region of Helmand province, codenamed "Operation Achilles," involves a 4,500-strong NATO contingent and nearly 1,000 Afghan troops.

NATO said one soldier had been killed in combat on Tuesday but gave no further details.

"This operation is targeting Taliban extremists, narco-traffickers and foreigner terrorists who have abused you, the Afghan people," Maj. Gen. Toon Van Loon, NATO's southern regional commander, said in a statement.

"Though Operation Achilles will initially focus on improving security conditions, its overarching purpose is to assist the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan improve its ability to begin reconstruction and economic development in the area."
Hopefully this will help, and I faith in NATO forces.
As for not worrying about the miss, we determined that they did not know the VP was there. It was "luck of the draw" and we handled the aftermath as we have previously.

Rob

[toyou444]

and get away with it?
puhlees!
you liberals are always defaming, name calling, and insulting conservatives, and get free rain doing it. high time you get back some of your own!
go get em' ann!

And once again the old "he did it first" arguement creeps into a political discussion! I can't believe this thread is four pages long already and no one has mentioned Bill Clinton yet! LOL!

and get away with it?
puhlees!
you liberals are always defaming, name calling, and insulting conservatives, and get free rain doing it. high time you get back some of your own!
go get em' ann!

A name coined by old Mr. Oxycotin and viagra himslef Rush Limbaugh...who has TONS of room to call other people names! :sowrong:

I love her spunk.
I KNEW she was a man! LOL!

Wow - an attractive woman who finds it easy to be really nasty.

Never seen that before.
Uh, I thought we were talking about Ann Coulter? Attractive? I'm no looker, but she really does look like a pre-op transvestite to me.

A little known secret is Ann's brother is gay. Brings up that whole Freudian dominating female thing , perhaps? Which I would exploit to the max! Go Ann!!!

Now there is something I never heard before and I follow politics and commentators pretty close. I'd like to see a cite for that. I'd like someone to ask her too, but according the Chney people's family's are off limits to questioning if it directly opposes their personal politics.

Although I completely disagree with Ann Coulter's politics, I do respect her "guts". She says things that many Americans say at the dinner table to their family and friends, or think privately, but would never say it out in public. In a strange way, I kind of admire her courage in her admissions in having a complete disregard for humanity and social decorum.

There is a reason those things aren't said in public: they are inappropriate and do nothing to further political debate and discussion. Being loud does not mean you are right.

first though, i never heard of any of those so-called conservatives, who are bashing ann. none of the republican primary cadidates is what we would call "conservative".
on to the real point; i am a person who was attacked, and molested by a homosexual, when i was 11. at age 16, it was tried again by 2 homosexuals; by that time i was a lot stronger, and a vicious fighter( ah the education one can learn from playing hockey). i broke one's arm, and was punching the face off the other when i was pulled off him. and once again when i was 21, a homosexual briefly fondled me, and i was with a girl at the time! i am just one of those that is highly attractive to homosexuals i guess :mad:
what's the point? a lot of the grief that homosexual get is well deserved. as far as i am conserned, ann didn't go far enough. you can't go too far in knocking homos.

I'm sorry Steve that that happened to you. Yet I will support your hatred at this point. While I believe everyone should be able to forgive and forget it is not easy. Hatred is easy. I hope you are continuing to work through your pain and working toward a peaceful forgiveness in your life.

It's this type of thinking that allowed Hitler to brutally murder millions of Jews.

DING DING DING! And we have our first Hitler reference in a political debate!

I'm sorry to all our other players, but remember no one leaves here empty handed...so we'r going to cut off your hands.

~ toyou (Libertarian)

[areenactor]

That'd be "Maher." Some idiot commenters at huffingtonpost.com said they wished the attack on Cheney had succeeded. Those posts were removed as inappropriate. Maher later said that if Cheney had been killed less people would be dying needlessly. (Presumably in Iraq)

You can agree of disagree with that political statement. But it's in a whole different class than calling someone a faggot.

The inappropriate joke (which did go much too far) was made by some idiot commenters, and was quickly dealt with.

i know how to spell his name, i choose to misspell it as a sign of my disgust.
no he was not joking! he said it many times following the attempt. he repeated it on other news shows. when called to task by other commentators he basicly said tough! his comments are far and away worse than ms coulters!

[drew70]

Both political parties have their loudmouth extremists. The right has Ann Coulter. The Left has Bill Marrer. As obnoxious as she is, I've never heard Ann Coulter condone the assasination of a Vice President as Bill Marrer has done. Marrer has sunk to new depths in his blind senseless rage.

[toyou444]

Both political parties have their loudmouth extremists. The right has Ann Coulter. The Left has Bill Marrer. As obnoxious as she is, I've never heard Ann Coulter condone the assasination of a Vice President as Bill Marrer has done. Marrer has sunk to new depths in his blind senseless rage.


No, she just said this:

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media."

and

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

and

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

and

"Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President."

oh, and

"These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparrazies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much." -on 9/11 widows who have been critical of the Bush administration

and this gem

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

Yeah...she's an intellectual gaint! LOL!

~ toyou

http://archive.democrats.com/display.cfm?id=262 <-- click to play an Ann Coulter Game! LOL!

[tickledgirl]

The inappropriate joke (which did go much too far) was made by some idiot commenters, and was quickly dealt with.

no he was not joking! he said it many times following the attempt. he repeated it on other news shows. when called to task by other commentators he basicly said tough! his comments are far and away worse than ms coulters!

Yes I agree he was not joking! The joke was made by idiotic comments on a blog!! We can shout at each other using exclamation points if you want, but we're saying the same thing!!!

Whew, now I'm all worn out. Can we go back to conversation now? :)

You feel political speech you disagree with is worse than offensive schoolyard taunts. I'd disagree. And...I kinda think you would too, if it weren't for the left/right thing.

I've said some things you disagree with. We keep going back and forth, but you don't (I hope) find what I say offensive, or demand an apology from me. On the other hand, if I started calling you offensive names, you'd be quite right to demand an apology from me. Doesn't the same apply in a more public arena?

[areenactor]

i have been called "an emotional winger". and other less flattering names.
i was the brunt of many personal attacks in school. i was the favorite target of the bully crowd, due to me small size as a youngster. but i can honestly say with a candor, that being called names is no where near as bad as saying someone should be dead. and meaning it.
it has nothing to do with right or left... well, maybe just a little. but that could also be because it does seem to be the left leaning crowd that does the most insulting. for example look at the track record of the hollywood crowd; the lesftist actors, and actresses feel right at home slamming, and defaming right wing pols. in all honesty i can't remember the last time i heard of the opposite happening, can you?
does ann coulter cross the line; yes of course. does she compare with her opposites? ha! she's not even in their league.