Question for Tickle Central...

[RChello]

are you doing any preview clips at all anymore? I've purchased some clips in the past, and most have been great. One or two which I have bought without a preview clip weren't quite what I was looking for in terms of the lees ticklishness and skill of the the ler...A preview of your clips would be quite helpful. A general rule I have now is not to buy clips without some type of preview no matter what the track history is of the company as I don't want to buy a "lemon" of a tickling clip...Hopefully other clip makers who do not provide previews are reading this ...thanks much! Your company does rock for the most part by the way!

[jk666uk]

are you doing any preview clips at all anymore? I've purchased some clips in the past, and most have been great. One or two which I have bought without a preview clip weren't quite what I was looking for in terms of the lees ticklishness and skill of the the ler...A preview of your clips would be quite helpful. A general rule I have now is not to buy clips without some type of preview no matter what the track history is of the company as I don't want to buy a "lemon" of a tickling clip...Hopefully other clip makers who do not provide previews are reading this ...thanks much! Your company does rock for the most part by the way!

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[leechmaster]

I agree. Does anyone have an idea why they stopped releasing previews at all?

[Chakett_76]

....you will be admonished by the moderators of the board.

[tcklft]

Does Tickle Central even read this board anymore? I kinda doubt it....

Seems he can drum up enough business w/o preview clips, which were evidently pretty labor-intensive for him....

[Iwon'tgrowup]

I enjoy all of his "Bedspread and Tickle Tortured" clips. Some are better than others, but I've never purchased a bad one. Without preview clips, I can't trust the f/f productions, but Ticklemaster knows what he's doing. And his teasing of the 'lee adds a lot of fun.

[tickleking]

I enjoy all of his "Bedspread and Tickle Tortured" clips. Some are better than others, but I've never purchased a bad one. Without preview clips, I can't trust the f/f productions, but Ticklemaster knows what he's doing. And his teasing of the 'lee adds a lot of fun.

I actually purchased several of his clips late last year based solely on previews and his descriptions of the clips. He was one of the only producers that I felt like gave descriptions almost identical to what I would. 90% of them were exactly what I expected.

However, I got burned on a couple, and when he stopped doing previews, I stopped buying.

Regards,

TK

[Gilbert]

They do post previews of their clips on there main site but the clips are usally posted 2 to 3 months after a movie is released.

[chrisheaven]

I still enjoy his stuff

[T2D Productions]

You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude. There are those of you that support us and have for a long time and to all of you I am sorry. A long standing fact of life, there are those innocents that pay for the idiot actions of others. I give honest descriptions for genuine clips that we shoot. I do my level best to give you an honest assessment of what we've done. Let's not forget, I started this BECAUSE of all the fake tickle companies out there. NOT like the many that you see popping up as the result of clips4sale, looking to make a buck. I won't mention names but think about it people......I KNOW many of those that are shooting this stuff now and honestly they couldn't give a shit about tickling or the tickling community. All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck. I can guarantee that many of these "companies" have put up everthing they've shot. I have more material that will never see the light of day becuase it's not up to the standards of Tickle Central than alot of the places offer to the public. And make no mistake, we've paid for that shoot and will make nothing for it. We're not shameless money grubbers like many that have recently entered the business. Up until now I've left our work do the talking for us. Too many fights and too much bickering these days. You asked a question and I'm giving you an honest answer. To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely. As always, thanks everyone that has stuck with us. We try our best and couldn't do any of it without you.

[giggle-maker]

just let me know this:

Liz, from the video: "Liz Gets More Tickling"

Are there a lot of vids with her as the 'lee' and will you make anything else with her in the future?

[mart]

You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude. There are those of you that support us and have for a long time and to all of you I am sorry. A long standing fact of life, there are those innocents that pay for the idiot actions of others. I give honest descriptions for genuine clips that we shoot. I do my level best to give you an honest assessment of what we've done. Let's not forget, I started this BECAUSE of all the fake tickle companies out there. NOT like the many that you see popping up as the result of clips4sale, looking to make a buck. I won't mention names but think about it people......I KNOW many of those that are shooting this stuff now and honestly they couldn't give a shit about tickling or the tickling community. All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck. I can guarantee that many of these "companies" have put up everthing they've shot. I have more material that will never see the light of day becuase it's not up to the standards of Tickle Central than alot of the places offer to the public. And make no mistake, we've paid for that shoot and will make nothing for it. We're not shameless money grubbers like many that have recently entered the business. Up until now I've left our work do the talking for us. Too many fights and too much bickering these days. You asked a question and I'm giving you an honest answer. To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely. As always, thanks everyone that has stuck with us. We try our best and couldn't do any of it without you.

I can go along with that. Firstly, there is a lot of trading. I have myself received PM's asking me to trade clips.

In the case of Ticklecentral, the site is clearly doing well. Without any aggressive sales promotion, it still manages to stay well up on the list of top sites on Clips4Sale. And when you see the kind of material produced by some of these sites, it is so far from the genuine thing that I don't even download the preview clips any longer. I can say that I have yet to purchase a bad clip from Ticklecentral. And s stated already, what is written in the description is what happens in the clip.

[SemoreBellys]

You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude. There are those of you that support us and have for a long time and to all of you I am sorry. A long standing fact of life, there are those innocents that pay for the idiot actions of others. I give honest descriptions for genuine clips that we shoot. I do my level best to give you an honest assessment of what we've done. Let's not forget, I started this BECAUSE of all the fake tickle companies out there. NOT like the many that you see popping up as the result of clips4sale, looking to make a buck. I won't mention names but think about it people......I KNOW many of those that are shooting this stuff now and honestly they couldn't give a shit about tickling or the tickling community. All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck. I can guarantee that many of these "companies" have put up everthing they've shot. I have more material that will never see the light of day becuase it's not up to the standards of Tickle Central than alot of the places offer to the public. And make no mistake, we've paid for that shoot and will make nothing for it. We're not shameless money grubbers like many that have recently entered the business. Up until now I've left our work do the talking for us. Too many fights and too much bickering these days. You asked a question and I'm giving you an honest answer. To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely. As always, thanks everyone that has stuck with us. We try our best and couldn't do any of it without you.

why not do free interview clips or somethin...:bunny:

[jmsdarke]

You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....

I personally think that at ShyAndWildTickling.com we will continue making the preview video clips as a marketing method, but though us real tickle fetishist really enjoy making this stuff, T2D is quite right is pointing out that this is our media, created with lots of effort and cost.

There is a segment of the public who simply believe that sharing (stealing) music/videos/media hurts no one. This would be true if the media came from the ether.

I, like so many other producers have been approached by many individuals seeking free stuff that I have paid money for. The important thing here folks is that we have to nurture our thing (tickle fetish media) and support it with our pocket books, or it will not thrive.

Anytime a video producer gets upset or vents over this stuff, give us the benefit of the doubt. I've had to contact some of our producers (including T2D) several times to point them to links where people were showing the producer's full length videos for free. So who's going to buy that video when they can see it for free? And as those sales are lost, is the producer suppose to just dip into his personal funds to pay models to make more stuff to be stolen?

A very brief thought by everyone should evoke a clear unambiguous response to support our producers.

JD

[tcklft]

You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude. There are those of you that support us and have for a long time and to all of you I am sorry. A long standing fact of life, there are those innocents that pay for the idiot actions of others. I give honest descriptions for genuine clips that we shoot. I do my level best to give you an honest assessment of what we've done. Let's not forget, I started this BECAUSE of all the fake tickle companies out there. NOT like the many that you see popping up as the result of clips4sale, looking to make a buck. I won't mention names but think about it people......I KNOW many of those that are shooting this stuff now and honestly they couldn't give a shit about tickling or the tickling community. All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck. I can guarantee that many of these "companies" have put up everthing they've shot. I have more material that will never see the light of day becuase it's not up to the standards of Tickle Central than alot of the places offer to the public. And make no mistake, we've paid for that shoot and will make nothing for it. We're not shameless money grubbers like many that have recently entered the business. Up until now I've left our work do the talking for us. Too many fights and too much bickering these days. You asked a question and I'm giving you an honest answer. To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely. As always, thanks everyone that has stuck with us. We try our best and couldn't do any of it without you.

Many thanks for the thorough and thoughtful answer.

[mabus]

I must respectfully and totally disagree with any companies decision to not post previews for one simple reason -
the vast majority of tickle model's AREN'T ticklish. The producers will grab the one frame where her head is thrown back, or she's smiling, but when you buy the clip....no laughter....at all. And they all talk about how EVERY model is SO unbelievably ticklish that you just won't believe it!!!, "Oh my GOOOOODD, she goes CRAZY when such-and-such just TOUCHES her feet!" on and on and on.... I keep wondering if they're watching the clips they sell, because I'm sure not seeing that....And when the average clip costs ten bucks, I'm sorry, but that's a lot of money that I could spend on ...anything else! So, I wish producers wouldn't get mad at those of us who actually BUY their clips, when we simply want to make sure the model is going to laugh! And what kind of laugh she has, I hate buying a clip, and hearing the model just scream her damn head off - screaming isn't laughter, it's screaming. OR, worse, the tickler TALKS, and talks, and talks, and talks....OVER the girl's laughing. I have not bought many a clip because the guy talks so much, the talking makes it into the preview clip!

And about trading/stealing clips - the preview clips are offered here to the general public, so if those clips are traded....why would they even be traded when they can just be downloaded here for free!? I don't understand what you guys are talking about? How is offering preview clips that everyone has access to lead to stealing clips? If someone buys a clip, then gives it to someone else, what does offering preview clips have anything to do with any of that? I've been confused about that every since it was first mentioned by other producers way back whenever. Someone please clear this up for me.

It just seems to me that when a preview isn't offered, it's like movies that aren't shown to critics before they're released - they usually suck. The clip isn't good, so they don't offer a preview, in hopes that people will buy it and get screwed. That's not cool. I support the tickling producers, I buy their clips, have given much advice on how to do things better, and offered many story ideas and scenarios and only expected good clips in return. But I have been burned many a times, and lost too much money. I am now very picky about the clips I buy, and buy a lot less than I used to. I have deleted many clips I paid good money on, because they were unwatchable. Crappy, fake laughter,... if any...., tickler talking the entire time, crappy video work, grainy footage and garbled audio, etc.

Guys, I love TickleCentral. You have made MUCH money from me. Your qulaity IS good. You used to use costumes and had different scenarios. You had Heather, who was your best ticklee, and Jackie and a few others (You know I've bought for a long time if I remember those two, like when Heather was a nurse who gets tickled, and Jackie was tickled on her black pantyhose feet.) Of course, on that note, you had many videos with PANTYHOSE!, which obviously I love. But I simply can't buy a clip without even a few seconds low res. preview. Hope you change your minds.

[Slytickler]

I look to previews to see if I like the girls laugh. A great laugh makes for a great video. I have a huge collection of clips I bought. Quite a few from TickleCentral . I purchased more when there were previews and returning girls.

[jim66e]

I have to echo the question above. Preview clips are intended to be shown to as many people as possible to advertise the clip. So I would think that trading preview clips within the community actually benefits the producers.

If, on the other hand, the aforementioned trading is of full length clips, not previews, that is a bad thing, but I don't see how it is related. Unless the producers are trying to punish the community by withholding previews, what connection is there between preview clips and trading full clips?

To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely.

Ummm, WTF? What point are you talking about? Do people accept what freebie? A preview clip? Are you trying to say that people who only buy full length clips after seeing a preview don't actually buy the full clip? If that's not it, I can't see this point you claim to have made. Perhaps you should spend less time typing question marks and more time on grammar/syntax.

[KrazieDog]

Thanks Brad for the update man. Sorry about all the BS and people posting your stuff up for the taking. They got em in all walks of life unfortunately. Take care and keep doing what you do.

[jmsdarke]

And about trading/stealing clips - the preview clips are offered here to the general public, so if those clips are traded....why would they even be traded when they can just be downloaded here for free!? I don't understand what you guys are talking about? How is offering preview clips that everyone has access to lead to stealing clips? If someone buys a clip, then gives it to someone else, what does offering preview clips have anything to do with any of that? I've been confused about that every since it was first mentioned by other producers way back whenever. Someone please clear this up for me.


I think it is commonly understood that every producer (at least I think so) would be glad for anyone to share the preview videos everywhere freely. So if anyone in this thread thinks that I was equating the sharing of preview videos to theft, then I'm sorry if I aided in making this 'thing' more confusing. Theft (in the context of this thread) is sharing the product which is otherwise sold.

I hope this clears up that bit.

As for anyone choosing to only buy clips that have previews, i don't think this is a point that can be argued against.

So maybe we're all agreeing on more than has been apprent thus far, eh?

JD

[TMJ Productions]

You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude. There are those of you that support us and have for a long time and to all of you I am sorry. A long standing fact of life, there are those innocents that pay for the idiot actions of others. I give honest descriptions for genuine clips that we shoot. I do my level best to give you an honest assessment of what we've done. Let's not forget, I started this BECAUSE of all the fake tickle companies out there. NOT like the many that you see popping up as the result of clips4sale, looking to make a buck. I won't mention names but think about it people......I KNOW many of those that are shooting this stuff now and honestly they couldn't give a shit about tickling or the tickling community. All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck. I can guarantee that many of these "companies" have put up everthing they've shot. I have more material that will never see the light of day becuase it's not up to the standards of Tickle Central than alot of the places offer to the public. And make no mistake, we've paid for that shoot and will make nothing for it. We're not shameless money grubbers like many that have recently entered the business. Up until now I've left our work do the talking for us. Too many fights and too much bickering these days. You asked a question and I'm giving you an honest answer. To those of you that won't buy without a preview, let me ask you this????? Do you accept the freebie then???? My point entirely. As always, thanks everyone that has stuck with us. We try our best and couldn't do any of it without you.



Come on man! Don't hate on us new guys!!!!
I completely understand your points!
and by the way, have always loved your clips!!! "Tickle Heather" is my all time fav!
But there are a few REAL 'lers and 'lees out here working hard to bring quality tickling material to the people!
Go easy on us! :angel:

peace, love, and tickling!

[The Last Laugh]

You wanna know why there are no free clips? Because of all the trading! I'm sickened by the low life pricks out there that just want something for free and have no respect for what we do. I don't give a shit what anyone here says, if YOU did it.....if YOU DID THE WORK-and believe me it IS work-you'd have the same attitude.

While I might use different words to express my feelings about this, I do understand Brad's frustration. Running a tickling video business may seem like a dream come true to some people, but it's really not. It's not all fun and games, far from, it. It involves a lot of effort, time, money and, well, frustration. Often enough, you don't even get a chance to actually enjoy the tickling that's going on, because you're too busy making a decent video and interacting with the models in a respectful, professional way. Oh, it can be fun at times, but overall it's more like work than anything else, in my personal experience. I actually find a video shoot to be a rather stressful experience. Believe me, you become disillusioned very quickly when you find out about all the negative aspects of such a project.

I personally don't mind my free previews being distributed (though I have reasons to prefer not to see them posted on popular mainstream sites like YouTube). That's what they're for. I know the vast majorty of people who watch and download them will never buy anything. It sucks, but it's how things work, and I accept that. But I also know that there's a good deal of piracy involving commercial clips going on, and that hurts. All that work, all that struggling to survive in this highly competitive market, only to have our hard work shared for free? It's very discouraging. Fortunately, I know that most people don't do this. But it doesn't make having one's work basically stolen by other people any more pleasant.

I definitely understand that offering free preview clips can be good for business, and it helps potential customers choose the clips they want. However, no producer is under any obligation to offer them if he/she prefers not to (or can't), and I think it's unfair to put any pressure on them to do so or to complain about it. If seeing previews is essential to someone before buying clips, fair enough, there are several vendors who do have them.

All they want to do is shoot, put it up and try to make a buck.

It's not the case of all producers, but I guess some do have this philosophy, which is unfortunate. The worst thing about this is that there isn't much money to be made with tickling videos. It's a fairly small, oversaturated market. Some producers do ok, but most don't manage to make any money, or only very little. Because of Internet business developments like Clips4Sale.com, as well as advances in technology like cheap, decent quality camcorders, that allow more people to easily produce videos and sell them nowadays, the number of vendors has increased exponentially these last few years. The market has changed in a major way.

Now, I realize that everyone has the right to take the plunge and to give it a try. After all, I did so myself 6 years ago. I won't tell anyone that they can't produce and sell tickling videos (though I might share my personal experiences with them, including the bad ones). Some of the more recent vendors do excellent work and obviously care a lot about tickling, which is great. However, that doesn't change the reality that you get an overabundance of vendors, a lot of which don't really make any money. But the sales they do make still decrease the profits for all vendors. Again, everyone is entitled to join in, and of course money isn't everything. It most definitely shouldn't be everything. But when you think about it, money still matters to some extent. So it's tough to run a tickling video business with today's fierce competition, especially with all the piracy going on. It's all part of the game, but it's not fun, and it's very frustrating. The thought of having to compete with producers who aren't even really interested in tickling makes it even worse.

I hope this post doesn't make me sound selfish or anything. I just wanted to share my thoughts about some of the issues brought up in this thread.

By the way, on a side-note, isn't this thread in the wrong forum? Granted, it's about clips, but it doesn't involve any actual content.

[WheresThe Clip?]

My tuppence happenny worth is that I always thought you were one of the better companies. In fact the clips I bought from you featuring Brooke Skye are probably the hottest clips of all time. I also like the Ticklemasters style, as unlike other male ticklers, he has always been really funny in how he goes about his task.

The thing is however I have also bought clips from you where one or two of the models I felt were hamming it up a bit (for instance the girl with the dark hair and glasses, in the survey clip with Christine Carter). Now I don't blame you for this, as if you pay to hire a model, you can't just send them home again, if they turn out not to be out and out hysterically ticklish (you would soon be out of business).

However from the customers point of view we have all had our fingers burned buying rubbish clips (which none of yours have ever been). I have bought clips from previews that:
1) Turned out to have a pop song loudly blaring over the top of it.
2) Turned out to be the same two and a bit minutes worth of action, shown twice from a different angle.
3) Turned out to feature the model in the preview for only half the clip, and then featured a different (non tickish) model and set up for the rest of it.
4) Suddenly stopped being a tickling clip, but instead turned into a porno vibration clip.
5) Been charged on a ten minute clip, for three minutes worth of dialogue.

Now if this is the sort of thing that happens when you buy clips from previews, why would I the customer chance buying a clip with no preview ?

I appreciate you may still have a loyal customer base, but it doesn't make business sense to me, to not to want to add to it.

[mabus]

I actually find a video shoot to be a rather stressful experience. Believe me, you become disillusioned very quickly when you find out about all the negative aspects of such a project.

Francois, I would love to hear some of your negative stories. If I ever decide in twenty years to make videos...after everyone I know dies or I move away so I don't have to see them recoil in a fit of religious horror....:shock:
I've always been a fan of behind the scenes stuff, that's why I insist on only buying special edition DVD's. But I refuse to watch the artificial dramas of reality programing, I just like watching the real going ons, like in the making of the Shining DVD, for example.

However, no producer is under any obligation to offer them if he/she prefers not to (or can't), and I think it's unfair to put any pressure on them to do so or to complain about it.

No, they don't have to offer preview clips...but I'm not buying their stuff. As I stated above, and I really wish the producers would turn off their anger and really read what I said. I'm REALLY really tired of buying a clip, where the preview IMAGE is of the girl throwing her head back in laughter, and discovering (This has happened A LOT!!) that the girl was just squirming and moving around, with no laughter, and just happened to be in that position....making no sounds! and that was the frame they grabbed, thus deceiving the customer into thinking she's laughing her head off. Or the laughter was so fake it insults me. Or the tickler, usually a guy, (but girls do it also,) talks so much you can't even hear the laughter whether it's good or bad. Lately people on this forum go ballistic when any hint of a negative comment comes their way, so I notice that most of the comments of users who have purchased tickle clips is falling over with praise (or the usual insults of EVERY clip, good or bad, calling all laughter fake.) So, with those two sides talking, there's no way to get any idea of what's good or bad from forum users! I've seen clips called horrible that I've loved, but mostly I've seen praise heaped on clips that sucked.

The worst thing about this is that there isn't much money to be made with tickling videos. It's a fairly small, oversaturated market. Some producers do ok, but most don't manage to make any money, or only very little. Because of Internet business developments like Clips4Sale.com, as well as advances in technology like cheap, decent quality camcorders, that allow more people to easily produce videos and sell them nowadays, the number of vendors has increased exponentially these last few years. The market has changed in a major way.


Look, I know that there are a lot of vendors who offer crappy tickling and don't care...but i don't even know why you guys care about them. Just think Capitalism, capitalism, capitalism!! Offer better quality, more clips, for cheaper than everyone else. You will be the top or near the top as producers. Stop making the same thing over and over and over again!!!!!
With the exception of Laughing Gas Zone and a few others, most companies offer clips that look exactly the same year after year. Look at the old RealTickling site for example...every clip is a carbon copy of every other clip.

On a side note, jmsdarke, I love your clips! I bought the "Evan and Lanka Stress Test" clip - high quality, well lit, great outfits...pantyhose! I wish you'd have a video of Evan being tickled on her feet covered in flesh colored pantyhose. I also like the fact that you post high quality pictures you take of them... though I wish they were bigger.

[daryl]

I understand the anger, but the solution doesn't seem to make any sense. The problem is with people trading full clips, which is of course piracy and not right. But what does that have to do with preview clips? The argument is that not posting preview clips will cut piracy? I just don't see that? If it is meant to be a punishment, that doesn't make sense to me, either. All it does is not let people know about a great product.

[leechmaster]

I don't get the connection between free clips and the sharing of full versions, either. The only explanation would be the following: Sales might be raised by stopping the release of preview clips because 1) some were already satisfied with the short clips or 2) people saw they wouldn't be satisfied with the full clip (which they would have bought hadn't it been for the preview.)

But that wouldn't be a direct link to the sharing of full versions, it would just be a general way of increasing sales that works just as well without clips being traded illegally. So it would be more like Brad passed on some money when he still released previews and now changed his mind to compensate for dropping sales. That's the only way his line of argumentation makes sense.

So far I couldn't manage to find out whether a lack of previews does the producers any good. One should think that only good producers can benefit from previews, but there are so many bad previews on here that I'm not sure about it.

Anyway, I have bought quite a few Ticklecentral clips and I can say that many, but not all of them, are good; above all tastes differ. So being a good producer in general doesn't make preview clips dispensable.

[The Last Laugh]

Francois, I would love to hear some of your negative stories.

I've actually went into some detail about that a number of times over the years, and I'd hate to sound like a broken record. Suffice to say that when you work on a project like mine, you soon have to deal with issues that you haven't thought of before, many of them unpleasant. To tell the truth, in the past I've often wished I could give it all up. But I couldn't, because I had invested too much in my project. Starting a tickling video company seems great at first. But then reality hits you in the face, and you realize that it has little to do with what you see and read on tickling forums. A lot of it is pure fantasy.

That's not to say that it's always bad. It can be fun sometimes. Personally, the things I like most about doing this is when I get positive comments from people who enjoy my work, as well as the satisfaction of having accomplished so much over the last few years. It has little to do with actual tickling, but it's still positive. Also, I'm sure some other producers have had better experiences than I have. But I can only speak from personal experience, and overall, I'm sorry to say that my project is often a burden. I wish people understood better what vendors have to go through to produce their material.

No, they don't have to offer preview clips...but I'm not buying their stuff.

That's fine, and understandable. But the thing is that no one's forcing you to. If you prefer to buy from producers who offer previews, by all means, look around, there are many who do. I just don't understand why some people feel compelled to complain about it on the forums. It doesn't serve much of a purpose, in my opinion.

Being disappointed that some producers don't offer previews is one thing. But some people seem to think that producers actually owe them something, like they have a responsibility to offer previews and are selfish jerks if they don't. I'm sorry to say that this is not at all the case. What producers do is their own business. If they feel they're doing ok without previews, there's no reason why they shouldn't be able to do things that way without people complaining about it. Please understand that I'm not referring to you, Mabus. But you do know that there are people who are very demanding about it. And that's just not fair.

Just think Capitalism, capitalism, capitalism!! Offer better quality, more clips, for cheaper than everyone else. You will be the top or near the top as producers.

So you're saying we should work even harder than we already do, make our material even higher quality than what our skill and equipment allow us to attain, and then we should sell it for even less money. That doesn't sound very appealing or very realistic.

You do realize that there's a limit to that what a producer can accomplish, right? Most of us are amateurs who do this as a sideline, a hobby. We have regular lives outside of our video-making activities. In many cases, regular jobs. Putting more time into the videos means taking time away from our everyday lives.

Also, it's not necessarily possible for us to offer super high quality material. Personally, I've no formal training, and I'm quite limited as far as equipment and money are concerned. I can't do miracles. But it's not like producers lower the quality of their material on purpose. I think it's reasonable to assume that most of us do the very best we can. If it's not good enough, well, I'm very sorry, but we can't do any better. I wish I could, but I can't.

Besides which, I already sell my clips for as cheap as I possibly can. Even if wanted to sell them even cheaper (which I doubt would help me make more sales), I couldn't, because the Clips4Sale.com system doesn't allow to set the price of a clip lower than a certain minimum amount for a given duration. It's not a totally flexible system.

In any case, I seriously doubt that working even harder and selling even cheaper would bring most producers to the top, as you say. I'm not anywhere near that, and I couldn't do much better than I do even if I nearly killed myself over my business. It's just not possible. I don't mean to be rude, but it seems to me that you're not very familiar with the realities of the market. If you gave it a try, you'd understand better.

Stop making the same thing over and over and over again!!!!!

I'll assume you're not referring to me in particular. I really do my best to vary the positions and situations as much as possible within the limitations of my humble apartment, which is the only convenient place I can shoot videos nowadays.

[jim66e]

While it's nice that all the producers have chimed in, none of you have addressed the real question. Yes we all know that pirating happens and is bad. The business is tough with few rewards. Its great that you guys do what you do. But thats not what Mabus, myself and a couple others have asked.

T2D productions posted what is for lack of a better term a rant attempting to explain why he doesn't offer preview clips. He said it was because of clip trading, implied the connection was obvious and ranted some more about his "point"

What we are asking of T2D and I suppose to any other producers that will answer it is, What is the connection between preview clips and the trading of full clips? Can someone please clear up the mystery of how not releasing preview clips will stop trading of full clips? Is it just a punishment thing, or is there a logic to it that was absent from the post?

[musictkls]

I for one really appreciate all the companies dedicated to the tickling fetish scene like Ticklecentral. I have been a customer of many of his clips and rarely have I been disappointed. He and other companies do a credible job in providing their products for us to consume and it is totally unfair for people to trade whole videos. Besides being illegal, its just wrong, period!! So keep up the good work TC and all the other reputable companies who are really trying to put out their best work for us all to enjoy. Just my thoughts.
Peace,
Musictkls

[tickleking]

Quote:
Just think Capitalism, capitalism, capitalism!! Offer better quality, more clips, for cheaper than everyone else. You will be the top or near the top as producers.

So you're saying we should work even harder than we already do, make our material even higher quality than what our skill and equipment allow us to attain, and then we should sell it for even less money. That doesn't sound very appealing or very realistic.

Keep in mind one of the core tenets of capitalism is strict property rights. If the stuff you (producers) produce is not protected from theft, then there is no incentive to produce. So I agree with you, Francois :)

[Tickle Abuse]

I for one post sample clips because I want every consumer to know pretty much exactly what they are getting. I do not care about who downloads or shares my previews, they are just previews. Go to my youtube if you want to see free previews, it's not the full length and it's a good way to spread the word about a video that I know is good. I actually tell fans/customers to re-post my samples as they wish. I am saying it now,re-post my samples wherever you want, the tickleabuse.com logo is on the video and I look at it as flattering that you have posted one of my samples on youtube or your myspace. I have to be real here, you in fact are doing me a favor! If someone really likes the preview, where do you think they are going to go?

[jmsdarke]

I have to be real here, you in fact are doing me a favor! If someone really likes the preview, where do you think they are going to go?

That's how I feel about it as well.

JD

[The Last Laugh]

While it's nice that all the producers have chimed in, none of you have addressed the real question.

Actually, the original question of this thread was why some producers don't offer preview clips, or have stopped doing so (more specifically TickleCentral). Now, a couple of different issues seem to have been mixed up in this thread, and I admit I don't quite understand some of the arguments myself. But I'd like to suggest that you're not seeing what's really important, here. Which is, even though customers understandably like to see preview clips, producers don't have to offer them if they prefer not to, and they don't have to explain their reasons. Brad and all the other producers who don't offer previews have every right to do things the way they want without having people interrogate them about it like they've committed some kind of crime. Let's face it, this issue has been discussed many, many times on the TMF (and most likely on the TickleTheater as well), and it hasn't accomplished anything. All it does is cause friction and hurt people because some people don't understand what it's like to run a business like this. So why don't we all drop this and let people live their lives in peace?

[jim66e]

Actually, the original question of this thread was why some producers don't offer preview clips, or have stopped doing so (more specifically TickleCentral).

I agree this is the original question, which is why I'm confused and a little disappointed that some people have tried to turn it into an anti sharing thread. Sharing clips is wrong, but that doesn't mean threads should be derailed because of it.

But I'd like to suggest that you're not seeing what's really important, here. Which is, even though customers understandably like to see preview clips, producers don't have to offer them if they prefer not to, and they don't have to explain their reasons.

Well that is true, producers don't. That is their right.

Brad and all the other producers who don't offer previews have every right to do things the way they want without having people interrogate them about it like they've committed some kind of crime.

Well a basic fact of business is that the customer is always right, so one could argue that the customer has a right to inquire why the producer doesn't want to offer previews. There are many reasons and customers just want to know. Also I think interrogate is a bit strong don't you think? Here is a quote from the OP:

Question for Tickle Central...are you doing any preview clips at all anymore?

That doesn't sound like an interrogation to me. And if you are refering to the questions since Tickle Central posted his reply, I would say that if you "answer" the question with a crazy rant that has nothing to do with the question, people are going to ask more questions.

Let's face it, this issue has been discussed many, many times on the TMF (and most likely on the TickleTheater as well), and it hasn't accomplished anything.

Perhaps its because no one gives a good answer. If the reason T2D doesn't do previews anymore is because of some unknown connection between previews and full clip sharing, all he needed to do was explain it clearly without ranting. That would settle the question. Heck, he could have replied with a simple, "No I don't do previews anymore" But when a person gives a crazy rant, instead of an explanation, it brings up more questions.

All it does is cause friction and hurt people because some people don't understand what it's like to run a business like this. So why don't we all drop this and let people live their lives in peace?

No one asked other producers to get involved. This thread was a simple question for T2D that received a complicated answer that people are asking for more clarification. No offense to the other producers, but they have actually obfuscated the purpose of the thread with their posts, because none of them have commented on the connection between previews and clip trading (and cause none of them can read T2D's mind). While its interesting to hear about the struggles of clip producers, that's not what this clip is about. There is no need for producers to rush to defend T2D from "criminal accusations" because no one has made them. If someone has the magic answer to the question of the preview/sharing connection, then let him speak, but otherwise we are just waiting for T2D to provide it for all of us to dumb to decipher it from his last post.

[jmsdarke]

Here's a clear example of the problem. http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=119869 was posted yesterday and shows a full clip produced by T2D.

This is a product being officially sold by T2D, but given away by someone.

JD

[ibonek]

I repeat the question for people at the back of the room....why is ticklecentral not doing anymore preview clips???


3 pages,not 1 answer,I thought the question was pretty clear!!!:upsidedow

[KrazieDog]

Well a basic fact of business is that the customer is always right,
Actually that is most definitely not a fact, just and overused phrase. Quite often, the customer is a fucking idiot. That is not a shot at you Jim or anybody commenting on this thread, I just find humor every time I hear a customer bark that out, because they are usually just trying to find an excuse to get something that a store rule contradicts. But again not a shot at you Jim, just the phrase. :triangle:

Back to the thread. You all know very well, deep down, no matter what Brad says, it will not appease you. Honestly, he's not offering clips, which he is in no way required to do, and that will upset you no matter what answer he gives. I know his answer may not make sense to you, but even if it did, would you really be happier and buy his clips if you are from the "I won't buy without clips" camp? Be honest with yourself. The answer is "fuck no Dog, I don't buy clips without previews". So demanding an answer over and over, as far as I can tell is just an attempt to make him somehow "come to his senses" and say "you guys are totally right, I've been misguided. Here they are." He is pissed people are giving his shit away for free (look and James post above, he gives an example of not a preview being traded, but the full clip) and doesn't want to go through extra hassle to make clips to be rewarded with that kind of horseshit. Do the two correlate, especially to loyal customers not sharing his stuff? No, not really, but it's his company to do with what he pleases. I've bought clips from him for 4 years now, and there have been some that I didn't care for, as with every company I've bought from. But that has happened just as many times from other companies with clips also. Like a previous poster mentioned, some times companies put the best part in a preview and you can still get fucked over anyway. So I'll always take the chance with proven companies that I've enjoyed way more times than I didn't.

I say blunt stuff sometimes, but unless someone is a habitual asshole, I like everybody on the forum. I always think highly of people's contributions here as it's what make the forum great. I know quite a bit of the people have a very limited budget on what they can or allow themselves to spend on material and I respect that. But the bottom line is that there is no answer that Brad can give that will suffice for most people asking for a definitive answer, and in the end, he doesn't owe an explanation to anyone if he chooses not to offer previews. Peace to you all and thank you to the producers for offering their insights and keep up the great material. :twohugs:

[The Last Laugh]

Well a basic fact of business is that the customer is always right

I'm sorry, but that old cliche is simply not true. A vendor has the responsibilty to offer a decent product and good service, but beyond that there's no reason to tolerate abuse from unreasonable customers.

No one asked other producers to get involved.

So basically you're saying "Butt out, you've no business contributing to this thread", is that it? I'm sorry, sir, but I every right to post my comments if I want to, no matter what you think.

Digressions aside, the fact is that producers, Brad or any other, can decide not to offer preivews if that suits them, and they don't have to explain why. There's no need for this thread.

While its interesting to hear about the struggles of clip producers, that's not what this clip is about.

So now you're deciding what this thread (and not this clip) is about?

There is no need for producers to rush to defend T2D from "criminal accusations" because no one has made them.

Now you're just twisting my words, and are losing credibility because of it.

[chrisheaven]

Ticklecentral's material is and has always been ( in my opinion) of excellent quality.
I am happy to buy their material without a preview now as I know from past experience the material will be outstanding.
Many thanks T2D

[tarrant11]

Here's another that was puzzled by the T2D response. It had points and even some clarity if the ranting parts are stripped out, but both the rant and the reasons had no clear connection to the original question about previews.

Many producers seem to understand that short clips can whet appetites and lead to more business. They can also head off dissatisfaction and bad blood by helping people know what they are getting when they buy the full clip. I appreciate preview clips. I do purchase clips from sites that don't do previews, but I am of course more cautious and thus they get less of my business. In my case, I know I purchased more TC clips back when they had previews than I do now that they don't.

I'll agree that TC clips are generally of good quality and their descriptions are of the less-hyped and more-accurate variety. It is of course their right if they want to not produce previews, but it seems wrong-headed to me. I'm still hoping T2D will post again and give more coherent reasoning. As it is, I'm forced to conclude that TC lost their temper after discovering some piracy and responded in an emotional and nonbusiness-like manner by ditching something that had nothing to do with piracy.

[jim66e]

But again not a shot at you Jim, just the phrase. :triangle:

Back to the thread. You all know very well, deep down, no matter what Brad says, it will not appease you.

No problem. I was just looking for some response to the position that a producer has no responsibility towards his customers and that was what popped in my head. While a producer could just tell everyone to go screw up (and technically this is his right to do) it probably wouldn't be a smart decision. There should be cooperation, not a feeling of Producers vs. customers, like some posts in this thread have fostered. As to not being appeased, thats not true. If Brad posts again explaining what he meant in his first post, or even retracts it and says there is no connection, I'll have my answer and be satisfied. While I would like to see preview clips, he doesn't have to make them. He doesn't have to explain his reasons. I just think that if he chooses to explain his reasons, he should do so in an understandable form.

I'm sorry, but that old cliche is simply not true. A vendor has the responsibility to offer a decent product and good service, but beyond that there's no reason to tolerate abuse from unreasonable customers.

The OP asked a simple question "Do you offer preview clips" I think that hardly counts as abuse from unreasonable customers. And by hardly counts I mean doesn't count at all.



So basically you're saying "Butt out, you've no business contributing to this thread", is that it? I'm sorry, sir, but I every right to post my comments if I want to, no matter what you think.

While that interpretation of my statement is possible, thats not what I meant. Your comments about such things as taking abuse from unreasonable customers and being interrogated like criminals conveys a sense of being forced into this discussion about a separate company from your own. I was merely reminding you (in what was probably a blunter form than was needed) That this thread did not originally concern you and you were not forced to get involved. You chose to get involved and make statements which provoked counter statements, just like myself and others. However afterwards, you implied that the thread should stop. I'm just saying you involved yourself, until producers started posting I don't believe anyone even mentioned a producer besides Brad.

Digressions aside, the fact is that producers, Brad or any other, can decide not to offer previews if that suits them, and they don't have to explain why. There's no need for this thread.

While this could have technically been done over e-mail, the OP just asked a simple question. I don't think that is crossing any lines. The OP knew that in the past Tickle Central had produced preview clips and wanted to know if that process had been discontinued. Most of the comments after that have resulted from an incomprehensible post and people asking for clarification, the same as what would happen in any thread.

For example, say ticklerlover783 posts a thread asking if people like college football. Crazy189w33 responds with, "No I hate college football because the NFL pays its players too much" Other posters may ask, whats the connection between college ball and NFL salaries. There are possible answers and Crazy could come back and explain. Thats what happened here.

So now you're deciding what this thread (and not this clip) is about?

No, I'm letting the OP do that. True his original question has been answered, but I consider asking for an explanation of a confusing post answering the question to be in the spirit of the OP. Can you honestly say that posts bemoaning the difficult of tickle producers (posts 22 and 27) are in the spirit of the OP?



Now you're just twisting my words, and are losing credibility because of it.

Am I twisting your words? You did say that producers are interrogated as if they were criminals and subjected to abuse by unreasonable customers. And no less than four other producers have entered the thread. What have they posted on? Did any of them answer the yes or no question is Tickle Central making any preview clips now? No they did not. Did any answer the question, what is the connection between previews and full clip trading? No they did not. They instead posted about the problems of clip trading, and the difficult and frustrating life of a tickle producer. By seconding the difficulties alluded to by Brad the producers are defending him.

Of course as you are fond of saying, it is Brad's right not to make preview clips if he doens't wnat to. He doesn't even have to explain his reasons. But if he does choose to explain, which he did, he then becomes open to questions about his explaination. Can he choose not to answer? Sure, no one is going to force him to post on the TMF. But should he explain himself? I think so. It will clear up the confusion that anyone who reads this thread is feeling right now.

[The Last Laugh]

The OP asked a simple question "Do you offer preview clips" I think that hardly counts as abuse from unreasonable customers. And by hardly counts I mean doesn't count at all.

Oh, you think I was referring to the OP? Or any other person in this thread? No wonder you disagree with what I'm trying to say. No, I don't have a problem with the OP's message. It was a legitimate question. I was talking in more general terms, as there's definitely a tendency for people to criticize some producers for not offering previews. A few people clearly believe producers owe them regular free previews, for some reason, and feel that if they don''t they're being unfair. That's just not right. Chakett_76 is a good example, of this, by the way.

As for abuse, I again wasn't referring to anyone here. You said that the customer is always right, and I disagree with that. The fact is that there are cases of abuse from some unreasonable customers, and when that happens, producers don't have to take it. Frankly, this applies to any type of business. It doesn't just concern tickling video producers. Some people genuinely believe the "customer is always right" thing, but that's just a load. There's a limit to what any self-respecting business person should tolerate. I don't suppose you run a business of your own? If you do, are you in the habit of tolerating customers when they're being rude for no good reason and are making unreasonable demands? If so, why?

You did say that producers are interrogated as if they were criminals and subjected to abuse by unreasonable customers.

Which is sometimes true. Not here specifically, but it does happen. That's my point. If you feel that you or any other person in this thread was targetted, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem, not mine.

And no less than four other producers have entered the thread. What have they posted on?

To defend producers who don't offer previews and who have every right to do things that way, bringing my personal oponion to the thread. If you can share your opinion, so can I.

Of course as you are fond of saying, it is Brad's right not to make preview clips if he doens't wnat to. He doesn't even have to explain his reasons.

And yet some people keep insisting for an answer, or in some cases, demanding previews from producers because they feel they have a responsibility to do so, for some reason (or maybe they're just plain selfish and want more free stuff). I don't know if you've noticed similar threads, but this is far from the first time this has been discussed, and some of the other threads have been much heavier in tone than this one. So just because no one said anything particularly demanding in this htread doesn't mean it never happens. And it's getting very tiresome.

In any case, I'm done with this thread. Some people just won't listen to reason. Further discussion is a waste of time (and can potentially lead to unfortunate name-calling). Have fun continuing your debate.

[jim66e]

Oh, you think I was referring to the OP? Or any other person in this thread? No wonder you disagree with what I'm trying to say.

Ah foolish me for thinking you were posting on topic and not derailing the thread to preach for a soap box. Yes I figured that since you posted negative comments about people asking producers questions in a thread asking a video producer a question, you were talking about the subject at hand instead of something else. What could I have been thinking?

As for abuse, I again wasn't referring to anyone here.

As before, of course I should have realized you weren't talking about the thread you were posted in.

Which is sometimes true. Not here specifically, but it does happen. That's my point. If you feel that you or any other person in this thread was targeted, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem, not mine.

Do you often do into threads and make several strong posts on a different topic but in such a way that it implies you are actually on topic? Or is this a first for you? If you wanted to get on a soap box you could have easily started your own thread.

To defend producers who don't offer previews and who have every right to do things that way, bringing my personal oponion to the thread. If you can share your opinion, so can I.

Now see this is puzzling. You say, and I agree that the producers are in the thread defending Brad. In fact I told you that in Post 34 "There is no need for producers to rush to defend T2D from "criminal accusations" " But you told me in Post 38 that that sentence was twisting your words and I was losing credibility for it. Yet you admit in the quote post above that you did use the phrase interrogate like they are criminals, and that the producers are defending Brad. So how was I twisting your words?


I don't know if you've noticed similar threads, but this is far from the first time this has been discussed, and some of the other threads have been much heavier in tone than this one. So just because no one said anything particularly demanding in this htread doesn't mean it never happens. And it's getting very tiresome.

As I said before, no one asked you to read and comment on the thread. That you choose to do so is good, but it didn't concern you, and if it's that tiresome, maybe you should just stick to threads about your own company. This isn't an attack on you, you can post wherever you want, but you shouldn't involve yourself in a thread then complain about what an effort reading and responding is.

In any case, I'm done with this thread. Some people just won't listen to reason. Further discussion is a waste of time (and can potentially lead to unfortunate name-calling). Have fun continuing your debate.

Thanks, I intend to have fun. Its not that I'm not listening to reason, its that the reason that you are writing is not germane to the topic at hand. If it was in a relevant thread I wouldn't be arguing nearly as much, because a lot of what you say is correct.

What I really hope is that Brad comes back and explains his enigmatic comment, because I would like to know what he was trying to say.

[Midnight21]

I for one post sample clips because I want every consumer to know pretty much exactly what they are getting. I do not care about who downloads or shares my previews, they are just previews. Go to my youtube if you want to see free previews, it's not the full length and it's a good way to spread the word about a video that I know is good. I actually tell fans/customers to re-post my samples as they wish. I am saying it now,re-post my samples wherever you want, the tickleabuse.com logo is on the video and I look at it as flattering that you have posted one of my samples on youtube or your myspace. I have to be real here, you in fact are doing me a favor! If someone really likes the preview, where do you think they are going to go?

Exactly. I got a sense of bitterness when I read the response. A few hurt the industry and all of us are punished. This started out as a "preview" discussion and turned into piracy. I agree with Mabus, I don't buy clips unless I see the preview, because pictures don't tell the whole story and I've been burned too many times.

[mabus]

There is bitterness in the thread, but I have no idea why it comes from the producers. A simple question was asked, and no answer given.

Let me elaborate why the CUSTOMERS are bitter. Aside from everything I and a few others described, (Pictures of girl's laughing, who aren't, loud music in background, bad video quality or camera work, overtalkative tickler, etc. etc.) once you buy a clip - YOU CAN'T GET A REFUND. I have purchased clips, watched the clip. There's no laughter, or laughter so fake it's horrible!
And I'm sitting there thinking, "I just lost $10. Wonderful...." And I'm sure at some point someone will say "Tough luck, so what if you lost your $10?!"

Because I was trying to support the producers. Now I buy far fewer clips than before because I've been burned so many times. It really sucks to delete a clip you paid $7 or $8 for, because it's unwatchable.
I think many producers need to go re-read some books on capitalism.

When we ask for free clips, we only need a few seconds, it doesn't have to be super quality video footage either - we just want to see if the girl is laughing or not, and if there's some element in the background that will distract us from enjoying it. That's it! Thanks for the understanding of this, Francois. I know some people just want a preview clip so they don't have to buy the whole thing, but that's them, none of us can do anything about it. I don't look at it as "owing us" anything, I look at it as simply advertising your product in a fair way. As I said before, a picture can show the girl laughing her ass off, and she isn't making a sound in the video.
And none of us can rely on user criticism, that's all based on opinion. Some people will say every video is great, even if it sucks, and some will say every girl is faking the laughter, even when they aren't.

I don't like the adverserial nature a lot of producers have taken to their customers these days. I miss the old days of TIB in his golden years, before he left the community, and even before the whole vibrating=tickling bend his videos have taken. He's provide nice little previews of every video, he's listen to criticism, if people suggested scenarios, he tried to accomodate us. You'd ask for pantyhose, a few weeks later he made a few pantyhose clips. Ask for a certain outfit or position, he'd try to do it. Now you ask, you're ignored, or they just rant "I only do what I want to do!!" Alright, alright! We're just requesting something different! We just want you to make something we'll buy and like, jeez! I've already said before, in you guys want to make more money, offer a more varied product! If every video you make is like the old RealTickling website, "girl tied down to board and tickle/vibrated to orgasm," you will only have those customers who like that. If I was a producer.... I'd do pantyhose tickling (of course!) but also barefoot, socked tickling, show removal, different outfits, different stories and scenarios, different positions and equipment (stocks, chairs, feet on desk, etc.) ..whether I liked that scenario and outfit or not. Shit, I want to make money! I also wouldn't be terrified of the girls as most producers seem...if I'm paying someone over $100...an HOUR ...to do something, they damn well better be asking "What do you need?" instead of "I don't want to wear pantyhose..." or this is stupid..." or whatever the hell they're doing to you guys.

I have no idea why people trade or steal clips. I have no idea how to stop them. Yes it sucks, but I have no idea what you can do to stop it, and I think they're bastards for doing it. I believe, TickleCentral and everyone else, that you guys deserve money for your hard work. We feel the same way when someone steals something we have or made.
But please understand our side, which I've tried to explain here.

[jmsdarke]

I think it is reasonable for customers to want free preview videos to get a sense of the videos before they buy, reasonable for producers to choose to provide these and reasonable for producers to choose not to provide the free previews.

If customers choose not to buy because of no free preview, that is reasonable as the customer must set their own personal rule set on what warrants a buy.

There's a level of effort on the producer's side to make the previews. Some choose to and some don't.

As a consumer, I personally ask producers of videos to provide free previews so I can determine whether I will buy, for all the reasons stated by others.

I personally like providing the free previews from ShyAndWildTickling.com because I think it contributes to my sales and gives a fair sense of what's really inside. Some of my older (vintage) video have lower production quality. i think that providing previews of these videos educates the customer so I get less customer service problems.

By the same token, producers who choose not to provide previews are within the 'capitalistic' rights too.

JD

[Mandrake]

One thing I don't like about a lot of ticklecentral clips is that very few of them feature shoe removal (or at least it doesn't say that it does in the descriptions). This is one of my favorite parts of tickling, as it adds to the anticipation and ensures that the tickle is "fresh" so to speak. I have purchased a few hoping to see some shoe removal, but never found it in any of their otherwise very well done clips. If you could indicate in your descriptions as to whether shoe removal was in the clip I would appreciate it. This goes to all producers of tickle content (nylontickling excluded, they're great!)

[RChello]

One thing I don't like about a lot of ticklecentral clips is that very few of them feature shoe removal (or at least it doesn't say that it does in the descriptions). This is one of my favorite parts of tickling, as it adds to the anticipation and ensures that the tickle is "fresh" so to speak. I have purchased a few hoping to see some shoe removal, but never found it in any of their otherwise very well done clips. If you could indicate in your descriptions as to whether shoe removal was in the clip I would appreciate it. This goes to all producers of tickle content (nylontickling excluded, they're great!)

the next time I see a blurb about shoe removal in a description about a tickling clip...will be the first time:) If you see it in the clip at all...BONUS I say!

[JoeTKL]

I don't post much, but I must chime in here.

A question was posed by the OP, and that question was 'addressed' by the person who should address it, but was not fully answered.

IMO, not posting a preview clip is a mistake. Its like a movie studio, like WB, talking about how great X movie is, but then not having a screening for critics, or releasing a trailer for the movie. They can talk about its greatness all they want, but if there's no preview and no impartial reviews, no one is going to see the movie.

To put it bluntly: There is no connection between stealing full clips and releasing a preview clip. That's like saying the whole Napster situation was brought about because a person heard a sample of the song on Amazon.com. Its plain nonsense.

The only explanation for not releasing a preview clip is a producer not wanting to put the time into it. Simple as that. If a producer makes a quality product, the preview can only assist in generating sales. If you don't want to release a preview, hoping someone will buy a clip in which they can't see specific content, that's fine.

I will come out and say it: Tickle Central, at one point, offered a quality product. The girls were ticklish (typically at least a 6 on a scale of 10), and the content was excellent...new ideas, new scenarios, etc. But, I'll admit, the last few clips I have purchased have been relative disappointments. The girls, while not COMPLETELY acting, don't seem to be as ticklish as they pretend to be. Reactions are a lot more subtle and/or forced, and the latest round of female ticklers are pathetic in their methods. On top of that, the same scenario has played out in the last dozen clips they've released (2 girls tickle a bound girl). I just refuse to buy any more of their clips, based on the fact that I've been burned the last couple times.

[Admiral]

I don't give a shit what anyone here says

It just strikes me as odd that someone is a business would have that attitude. I have bought videos from you in the past and found them to be very good but personally, after that comment I wont by any more from them, previews offered or not. I understand that you are upset and have the feeling that reposting and trading the previews is a form of stealing and I respect that. However that statement makes me wonder, if someone has a legitimate issue with a video and you have the the mindset of "not giving a shit what anyone here says" how much help would you be willing to give to get the problem resolved? To me that doesnt seem like good business practice. If I misunderstood your meaning of that statement I apologize. That is just what it seems like to me. If I didnt misunderstand then you are going to ignore this post and I wish you the best.

Sincerely,
Steve

[RChello]

It just strikes me as odd that someone is a business would have that attitude. I have bought videos from you in the past and found them to be very good but personally, after that comment I wont by any more from them, previews offered or not. I understand that you are upset and have the feeling that reposting and trading the previews is a form of stealing and I respect that. However that statement makes me wonder, if someone has a legitimate issue with a video and you have the the mindset of "not giving a shit what anyone here says" how much help would you be willing to give to get the problem resolved? To me that doesnt seem like good business practice. If I misunderstood your meaning of that statement I apologize. That is just what it seems like to me. If I didnt misunderstand then you are going to ignore this post and I wish you the best.

Sincerely,
Steve

plus the fact that nearly every worthwhile company offers a 10 second or so clip... and it is the deciding factor whether I (and the majority here it seems) make a purchase or not...

[Banshee]

Their work has always been excellent so whether they post a preview or not is immaterial to me. Their business certainly doesn't seem to be suffering.

[Master J]

Wow... quite a thread... eh?

Ok... here is my one yearly, long winded reply... figured I'd just comment on a few things touched on by others in this thread

First... I may be wrong... but perhaps Tickle Central was saying that it's because of trading of "for sale" clips that their upset... not clip trading of the free clips.
If not... that's still certainly up to him and I respect his decision but I'm not sure I understand it.
As with some of the other producers who have chimed in, BleuFetish Videos is happy for you (the potential consumer) to trade our FREE clips as you like and put them where you like. (If you are a commercial venture using our free clips as content it's a little different and we'd at least like to have permission asked.)

FREE CLIPS
We at BleuFetish happen to create some of the most labor-intensive free clips. They take HOURS of time and a lot of effort on our part. We do this for several reasons.

1. We obviously believe that it is good for business.
2. We are tickling fetishists and I have been part of this community since before it was a community and will be part of it long after I'm done making videos. I ENJOY making the free clips, it's very creative for me and it's my small way of giving back.
3. ummmm... did I mention... We obviously believe that it is good for business.

In other words... if Tickle Central doesn't think it's worth his time... that's just a business decision on his part. Frankly, in many ways I see his point. In the time it takes me to make a good free clip and post it on the boards etc... I could have edited another pay clip.

Many times I've thought of stopping the free clips... but evidently I still think it's worth the time... because for now... we still do them. Either that or I'm just a obsessive compulsive maniac who tries to make quick free clips that take him 10 minutes to do, but always ends up looking at the clock 3 hours later and going.... "damn... I did it again" ;)

As far as frustration...
As with any business... there is a lot of it. And a lot of it for different reasons...

The whole concept of trading clips is unbelievably frustrating. I'm not going to rehash the whole argument about this; it's been discussed a million times. But suffice to say, I don't care what you do; make tickle clips, pick up the garbage, work in an office, etc etc... EVERYONE would like to be paid fairly for the work they do! Amazingly, some people still try to defend stealing, by trying to explain how trading clips or music is ok. I think it would be a lot more correct if the people who trade clips just owned up and said "yes I know it's stealing but I still do it anyway".

It also doesn't help that now everyone and their grandmother is making tickling videos, the serious people, the people who love this and make good videos that are actually worth paying for, are finding it harder and harder to make money. Fly-by-niters do eventually drop to the wayside, but the sheer number of them take a big chunk out of our profit. Competition is the American Way and there is nothing wrong with that. But it is tough to know you make a good product and see people getting ripped off by people who make shit. This is one of the good arguments why one would want to make free previews, to show that they make quality clips.

The actual making of a clip is surprisingly frustrating too... it tends to rob you of your love of tickling. Could you as a tickling fetishist imagine EVER thinking that someday you'd say to yourself "oh no... I have to tickle torture a girl today on camera" LOL... but that's exactly how it feels sometimes. As one producer put it... it's STRESSFUL!! Will the model show up, will the camera person do a good job and get what you need, will the model actually be ticklish or was she lying, will the models actually do a decent job tickling each other (that's why we don't have a lot of models tickling each other... they usually suck at it) etc etc

That said, I NEVER have and never would, ask someone to feel sorry for me LOL, it's a really fun job most of the time, it's great in many ways and I'm blessed to be able to do something I love!

BUT... just like anything else. Once you start taking money, it becomes a business and every business has its stresses. So the very act of trying to straddle the line between business and doing something you love is frustrating too. I think the tone of Tickle Central's post is a perfect example of this. This is a guy who LOVES TICKLING, and got into it for ALL THE RIGHT REASONS, and MAKES GREAT PRODUCT... just being... F R U S T R A T E D.

So... for what it's worth... there are some of my thoughts on all of this.

Since I don't post that often, let me take a scond to thank you for supporting us all these years, thanks for all your kind words, thanks for voting us Tickling company of the year, for 3 years in a row... Thanks for allowing Skye and I to do something we love!

Best regards
MJ
aka The Mystery Hands

[jim66e]

Well if even if Tickle Central never comes back to explain his cryptic statements, this thread will at least have gained a new purpose. Its turned into the roll call for producers to come in and say, "Tickle Central might not provide preview clips, but we do."

[jmsdarke]

Wow... quite a thread... eh?

Ok... here is my one yearly, long winded reply...


Amen 100%

JD