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Dave2112
11-21-2008, 11:25 AM
PARIS (AFP) – It's taken more than a century, but Einstein's celebrated formula e=mc2 has finally been corroborated, thanks to a heroic computational effort by French, German and Hungarian physicists.

A brainpower consortium led by Laurent Lellouch of France's Centre for Theoretical Physics, using some of the world's mightiest supercomputers, have set down the calculations for estimating the mass of protons and neutrons, the particles at the nucleus of atoms.

According to the conventional model of particle physics, protons and neutrons comprise smaller particles known as quarks, which in turn are bound by gluons.

The odd thing is this: the mass of gluons is zero and the mass of quarks is only five percent. Where, therefore, is the missing 95 percent?

The answer, according to the study published in the US journal Science on Thursday, comes from the energy from the movements and interactions of quarks and gluons.

In other words, energy and mass are equivalent, as Einstein proposed in his Special Theory of Relativity in 1905.

The e=mc2 formula shows that mass can be converted into energy, and energy can be converted into mass.

By showing how much energy would be released if a certain amount of mass were to be converted into energy, the equation has been used many times, most famously as the inspirational basis for building atomic weapons.

But resolving e=mc2 at the scale of sub-atomic particles -- in equations called quantum chromodynamics -- has been fiendishly difficult.

"Until now, this has been a hypothesis," France's National Centre for Scientific Research (CNRS) said proudly in a press release.

"It has now been corroborated for the first time."

For those keen to know more: the computations involve "envisioning space and time as part of a four-dimensional crystal lattice, with discrete points spaced along columns and rows."
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Ok, so I'm a physics geek. :triangle:

cloudgazer2k
11-21-2008, 11:30 AM
funny...i know i'm a fairly intelligent guy, but all i got out of that was "Smart people learn you can make things go boom easier!". i could be wrong.

Mister Scruff
11-21-2008, 01:40 PM
Ok, so I'm a physics geek. :triangle:

There is nothing geeky about physics! It is by far the most macho of all the sciences, and-- alright I'm lying. It's geeky. This is cool though. It's good they finally proved this formula to be true before the LHC gets switched on and obliterates all matter in the universe :D

Redmage
11-21-2008, 01:53 PM
Near as I can tell, they just proved this at the subatomic level. It's been pretty much demonstrated ever since the Trinity Test in the 40s. And physicists and chemists have noted the mass loss due to binding energy in atomic nuclei for decades.

Dave2112
12-01-2008, 11:18 AM
Ha! I was doing a search for something else and totally forgot I posted this or that it even got any replies.

But, you're right Redmage. The point was that this was proven at the subatomic level. Thusly proving the consistency of the formula across all known levels of particle physics. It opens a lot of doors into the exploration of dark matter and other studies of subatomic physics that could yield groundbreaking strides in the future.

Plus, it's just cool to prove something. :triangle:

Babbles
12-01-2008, 12:51 PM
funny...i know i'm a fairly intelligent guy, but all i got out of that was "Smart people learn you can make things go boom easier!". i could be wrong.

:roflmao:
Yeah, I'm not *touching that myself...

But then, at least it appears, from the other posts, :p
Einstein was probably gratified to see there was some proof-positive in his lifetime,

(obviously, once again :rolleyes: ) unlike too many other far-seeing geniouses who lived too many centuries prior to the technologies they either outlined, foresaw or superceded.
Considered dreamers, nutcases or heretics....