Batman v. Superman

[GL2814]

"I'm Batman."

[qjakal]

Invulnerability, superstrength/speed etc...unless Batman has a hunk of green K wired into his lead covered shorts, it would be a short not sweet little fight...sheeesh. Q

[Prime]

Ya know what...i'm going to have to vote for superman also. This is an actual picture i took of Batman at mardi gras a few years ago. Unless he is taking on a buffet table i don't think he would stand a chance.

(I can say that because i'm not the smallest guy in the world either..heh)


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[tummyticklish01]

What can i say, i'm a Superman girl at heart:D

[Everlast]

hmmmmm....I guess not many here have read The Dark Knight Strikes Again.....Batman whoops Superman's a$$ in that.....

[Prime]

I feel bad..i just remembered the real darknight resides on this board with us. The picture i have is of an obvious imposter. I change my vote to batman. :)

[He-Man]

Remember in the Batman/Superman Adventures animated series when Batman came to Metropolis to track down the Joker? Batman was interrogating a bad guy and using that friendly personality to get the guy to talk..if you can call slamming a guy up against a wall friendly...then again, Bats has done meaner stuff. lol

Anyways, Superman rudely interrupts the interrogation and Batman pulls out a piece of Kryptonite that's no bigger than a Playstion memeory card. That's not big..but big enough to cause Supes to get weakened pretty good.

As pointed out by people in other forums, if given enough time to prepare..Batman will DEFINATELY win.

And after Bane broke Batman, Batman swore to himself that he'd never...EVER ...be un-prepared for any situation ever again. So I think Bats would at least kick Supes around real good, if not win. lol

[Dave2112]

From what I hear about the upcoming Batman vs. Superman movie (slated for a Feb 2004 release), the two heroes are trying to solve a grisly series of crimes that crosses into both major cities. Superman's values of "Truth, Justice and the American Way" are seriously challenged by these 21st Century crimes. The two are at each other's throats to solve it in thier own way, but ultimately wind up working together.

I've also heard that Jude Law is on the short-list to play Superman, and I think that he would be a great choice to play the Man of Steel. And though he's not on the list, I've always thought that with a decent haircut, The Rock could portay him rather well...but that's niether here nor there at this point.

[BellaRisa]

I vote for Superman, but ONLY 'cuz he can fly-I need that in a superhero. He's too damn nice to really win my heart...

[Shem the Penman]

Realistically (if that word can be applied to comics), Batman shouldn't see anything more than a red-and-blue blur before the fight is over. But in truth, it would depend on who was writing the comic.

Oh, and DK2 was festering crud -- although I base that on just the first issue, as I didn't care enough to shell out $16 for the next two.

[dvnc]

I'm a Batman fan from way back. 'Sides, the only way the Superman character can be brought to fight is when someone's doin' evil. Batman always has won that, largely 'cause he knows Superman's main weaknesses. Apart from that Kryptonite allergy, Supes is always too bent on "fair", where Batman just gets the job done however is fair for the fight.

Funny, too, 'cause they both fight the same fight. Batman's just more down-'n'-dirty about it. Smarter, too.

Now, if Superman focused on just beatin' the man, he's faster and stronger. He just ain't smarter. Yellow suns apparently don't improve that. ;)

That there's another Bat-flick looming is cool. Dunno how they'll get past the stigma of a Superman in it that ain't Reeves, but Jude Law, wit' blackened hair, would likely do well.

Ah, child-like joys...

[Darkknight]

Good save Prime! lol

Sorry but Batman can be a dirty fighter when he needs too and damn it, he's my hero so he gets my vote. Don't get me wrong, Supes is da man but not da Bat.

You know Prime, if I don't stop eating and lounging in the cave, I will be that guy in that photo. In fact, you scared me back to working out!

Oh Shem you're right about DK2, I was so disappointed in this series.
Batman knows his opponents too well, I would doubt he would let a blue and red blur get that close my friend (cape laced in kryptonite?). Yup, it's all on who's writing the story!

Dave summed up the story line pretty good with the movie. As long as they approach it like they did Spider-man (and the upcoming Hulk movie) I will be excited about this film. Anything to wash my mouth out from the last two Batman films. :sowrong:

Bella... Batman can fly... err.. glide.. but it's still in the air kind of thingy! ;)

DK

[Daumantas]

More importantly:

Betty versus Veronica...in a tickle fight?

[Daumantas]

Also, regarding that photo that Prime posted...Batman's REALLY let himself go these days.

[Darkknight]

Look Daumantas... I guess I love Italian food and women way too much.
:p

(heading for the Bat-scale)

Man... I have let myself go!

DK

[TklrJoe]

Okay, I like Batman too, but come on now, seriously!

How can any of you say he could beat Superman in a fight?

Superman could kill Batman, or any other man, with ONE PUNCH!

NO CONTEST!

[Darkknight]

Some green stuff really turns steel into pudding so I heard at a certain range even. :cool:

[Oblesklk]

Originally posted by Daumantas
More importantly:

Betty versus Veronica...in a tickle fight?

http://www.the-agencies.com/images/betty_ver.jpg

Offhand I'd say Veronica...she doesn't fight fair :D

[duo_maxwell]

Assuming Batman ever did have to fight Superman, I think Batman would win for these reasons:

1. Superman may be super strong, super fast, etc., but he is not super smart. given time enough time, Batman can turn any fight in his favor.

2. Superman is not ruthless enough. If he were to somehow lose his powers (which has happened plenty of times), he has no other tools to fall back on. Batman has never relied on brute force to get the job done.

3. Duh, Kryptonite! Seeing as batman is currently in possession of some, it would be harder for him to fight some killer robot while holding it's remote control.

However, realistically, I agree with Shem.....it would all be in the comic writer's hands

[TklrJoe]

Oh, well, sure, if Batman CHEATED...

:sowrong:

[MadKalnod]

Definitely Batman. It doesn't matter how strong he is or what kind of powers Superman has, Batman has the intellect to find a way around them. He takes on opponents with superhuman strength and/or powers all the time; i.e. Mister Freeze, Clayface, Killer Croc, and that loser Bane, and always thrashes them soundly.

Further, Batman has a plan on file to take down Clark. He's got plans filed to take out Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern and the rest as well. It's what got him kicked out of the Justice League.

Incidentally, this thread reminds me of a scene from the upcoming Savage Dragonbert parody from Image. In order to evade a mob of rabid fanboys, a comics writer distracts them by getting them to argue over whether or not Spider-Man could kick Wolverine's arse. The fanboys immediately battle to the death in defense of their favorite hero's rep. Later, we see an Arab man in Heaven screaming in horror as the now-dead mob of pimply, greasy, morbidly obese fanboys with their coke-bottle glasses, orthodontic headgear, and Starfleet uniforms three sizes too small proclaim: "You must be Muhammad Atta. We're your 72 virgins.":firedevil :evilha:

[BellaRisa]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Darkknight
Bella... Batman can fly... err.. glide.. but it's still in the air kind of thingy! ;)

DK


Dude, that's not flying, that's falling with style:rolleyes:

Batman is way, way cooler than Superman. We all know this. But, like a lot of little girls born in the '70's, I fell in love with Christopher Reeve when I first saw that movie, in some huge theater in Brooklyn the year it came out. To this day I have a thing for huge guys with dark brown hair, those of you who've met my hubby are laughing hysterically right now (right DVNC?)

Bella, who traded the Man of Steel for the guy from the Lucky Charms Box:D

[qjakal]

is vastly overrated....

Batman fans are optimistic...if this was a serious battle, Supes doesn't have to get within a 1/4 mile to take your boy out. Those green K lined gloves will look just fine under the building he drops on him... Q

[TicklingDuo]

I'd rather see Heckle and Jeckle vs. Woody Woodpecker.


Drew

[dvnc]

Originally posted by bella

Batman is way, way cooler than Superman. We all know this. But, like a lot of little girls born in the '70's, I fell in love with Christopher Reeve when I first saw that movie, in some huge theater in Brooklyn the year it came out. To this day I have a thing for huge guys with dark brown hair, those of you who've met my hubby are laughing hysterically right now (right DVNC?)

Bella, who traded the Man of Steel for the guy from the Lucky Charms Box:D

ROFL! Yer man's way more charmin', even if it's a sly, one-liner kinda charm. I like the man. Y'chose well, and y'DO have them beautiful babies t'show for it!

Oh, and Q wins for pointin' out the one thing I hadn't considered - cooked Bats at a quarter mile distance, crushed Bats, etc. He's still gotta FIND him, though, and the pointy-headed one is ever so clever...

DVNC, who looks more like Wolverine, accordin' t'Ms. Bella. ;)

[General Zod]

I'd have to vote for the son of Jor-El on this one Think about it Kal-El spots Batman from 10 miles out with x-ray vision He then uses heat vision to melt him As Stan Lee says "Nuff Said"
General Zod
I have a beautiful body It's in my trunk

[Darkknight]

Ya know, I was waiting for General Zod to chime in on this one!
I knew you're were still around dude!

How'd that line go again? "Kneel before me son of Jor-El!"

That heat vision does bite at long range though. And flying buildings are hard to dodge but again... you gotta know where the dark knight is before you can tag him (yeah..yeah.. x-ray vision). :P

DK

[BellaRisa]

All I read was 'Batman vs. Superman', I answered based on who I'd rather hang out with, not who would win a fight. Um, wouldn't Superman stomp Batman into yogurt? I prefer Bruce Wayne overall-but it still boils down to "Nearly Invincible Nerdy Guy of Steel vs Cool But Still Human Dude with Gadgets'. Supe's a square but a Realllly strong square.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dvnc
[B]

"ROFL! Yer man's way more charmin', even if it's a sly, one-liner kinda charm."


He's charmin' alright, how da hell else did a New York girl like me end up this happy livin' in Mid-west Suburbia? (eg)

And you DO bring Wolvie to mind, sweetie. What I can't figure out though, since meetin' ya-is it all about the love, or the Hokey-Pokey? You say one thing, Libby says another...:cool2:

B

[dvnc]

So, IF we suspend disbelief, and instead give faith to the Man of Steel, that he'll forego his nice-boy deal, AND we assume that he can find Batman in a large metropolitan city, AND we believe that there's a reason he'd drop a building on him, or cook his butt wit' the heat vision, then maybe...

I still think that, given the natures presented for the two characters, Superman's too nice. It's possible for a Kryptonian, on Earth, to whup a wiley detective in stretch-pants. It ain't PROBABLE that Kal-El is gonna get mean enough. Gettin' killed didn't seem t'fix that.

His nature ain't mean enough. Wayne's nature IS.

Truth is, a comic showin' that would piss off more Superman fans than it would impress. He'd have to become another kind of man, one that he ain't, and that just ain't gonna happen. DC likes the income too much.

[dvnc]

Originally posted by bella

He's charmin' alright, how da hell else did a New York girl like me end up this happy livin' in Mid-west Suburbia? (eg)

And you DO bring Wolvie to mind, sweetie. What I can't figure out though, since meetin' ya-is it all about the love, or the Hokey-Pokey? You say one thing, Libby says another...:cool2:

B

Hell, I ain't arguin' wit' that little doll. If she's all about that Hokey-Pokey, that's likely where the love is, anyway. The kid's all charm, and curls. :)

You can take a girl outta New York, but, well, yer still a misplaced big-town girl. Lucky fer you there's kink aplenty in Columbus!

[BigJim]

Gotta be Supes all the way. A chunk of Kryptonite isn't a standard bit of Batman's kit, so in a grudge match you probably could'nt count that. Given then Superman would be immune to any weapon the Bat has, it's gotta be a thumbs up for the son of Kal-El.

[dvnc]

Last I read, Bats had a chunk o' said planet...

[BigJim]

Originally posted by dvnc
Last I read, Bats had a chunk o' said planet...

He might have done, but look at this as a computer game. Both characters would only start out with their typical equipage. For Batman that would'nt include a chunk of kryptonite. He might have got hold of a piece, but that is only a temporary story arc.


(I cannot believe I'm trying to be logical over a comic book story!)LOL

[General Zod]

I can't believe your trying to be logical over a comic story either BigJim Congratulations on your red level status
General Zod:p

[BigJim]

Originally posted by gen.zod
I can't believe your trying to be logical over a comic story either BigJim Congratulations on your red level status
General Zod:p

Thanks General, much appreciated. :D

[Admiral Trouser]

Hmmm....I always figured that coolest charecter always came up tops...and that would be Batman for sure in this case...he'd just do something cool, like trap superman in concrete. Or something. lol.

Theres my two cents (or thretney pence)

And, linking to a similar thread, He-man would kick both their arses with panache, ok?

[BigJim]

Originally posted by Admiral Trouser
Hmmm....I always figured that coolest charecter always came up tops...and that would be Batman for sure in this case...he'd just do something cool, like trap superman in concrete. Or something. lol.

Theres my two cents (or thretney pence)

And, linking to a similar thread, He-man would kick both their arses with panache, ok?

The son of Jor-El has smashed tougher things than lumps of concrete before.BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

[Admiral Trouser]

LOL.

Look, batman is cool, ok? Superman is just such a goodie-two-shoes, he deserves a good arse kicking. Feed him kryptonite, I say.......

[BigJim]

Originally posted by Admiral Trouser
LOL.

Look, batman is cool, ok? Superman is just such a goodie-two-shoes, he deserves a good arse kicking. Feed him kryptonite, I say.......

Well there is that of course.........:confused:

[He-Man]

Originally posted by BigJim
Gotta be Supes all the way. A chunk of Kryptonite isn't a standard bit of Batman's kit

Really? Seems like he usually has it ready when Supes is in town...and since Oracle ( Barbara Gordan )sometimes knows stuff even before Bats does, Batman would be ready with Krytonite, just in case Superman got in his way.

Maybe it only seems like it's not part of his standard equipment because he doesn't have to use it that often..I mean..Supes isn't around Gotham every night. lol

Batman , after his back-breaking encounter with Bane, swore to never be unprepared again. You can bet the dark night has a small bit of the green rock hidden somewhere within reach, if not in his belt.


..ya know..I think Supes would get an even worse butt-kicking if he was pitted against the new Batgirl. After all, she's at least as good...if not better....at fighting as Batman. lol

[BigJim]

Hmmmmmmm...........

Before anyone at DC got the idea to put Supes and the Bat in the same story, kryptonits was never standard issue bat-kit. I think it's probably only in there now because it makes the story more interesting.

If you took the two characters as they were before they "contaminated" each others story lines, Batman would never have had krpytonite at all.

Post Merger: The Bat

Pre Merger: The son of Jor-El

[TklrJoe]

This poll is a travesty!

[BigJim]

Originally posted by TklrJoe
This poll is a travesty!

Interesting point Joe, but instead of just dropping it and then leaving; why don't you tell us why you think it's a travesty?

[TklrJoe]

I thought my position was evident in my previous posts in this thread!

I'm not here to be a Batman-basher. I love Batman. I do.

But... people... Batman is human. Superman is superhuman!

Superman is infinitely stronger, faster, and more powerful.

Of course if you bring in that Batman has somehow obtained a piece of the stuff that saps Superman of all his strength, then yeah, of course Batman could defeat Superman (and so could anyone).

But, all things being equal, it's no contest...

No one beats Superman.
:idontwann

No one.

[BigJim]

Originally posted by TklrJoe
I thought my position was evident in my previous posts in this thread!

I'm not here to be a Batman-basher. I love Batman. I do.

But... people... Batman is human. Superman is superhuman!

Superman is infinitely stronger, faster, and more powerful.

Of course if you bring in that Batman has somehow obtained a piece of the stuff that saps Superman of all his strength, then yeah, of course Batman could defeat Superman (and so could anyone).

But, all things being equal, it's no contest...

No one beats Superman.
:idontwann

No one.

Dude, you hit the nail on the head. With a chunk of said planet, I COULD BEAT SUPERMAN! It's the "all things being equal" bit, that every other poster here seems to have completely forgotten. On top of which, Batman must be a right bastard if he's willing to use the rock on Supes. I mean Supes is a darn nice guy, right? RIGHT??!?!?

[BigJim]

I cannot believe that they are even 50-50, let alone Batman winning the damn poll! There is no chance in the remotest corner of hell, that Batman would win a fight against Superman. Sure, Batman might be cooler, but that ain't the point of the thread. As someone else said, Supes is a nerdy dork who's indestructable and IS more than capable of circumnavigating a lump of Krptonite. Batman is a super-cool hero, who ain't afraid to use the Dark Side but is a fragile as any one of us.

Don't vote on who is coolest, vote for who's the hardest nut. There is no chance in hell of that being anyone other than Superman. (Or General Zod possibly?:D)

[dvnc]

LOL! Aw, Jim, if you DISCOUNT that DC already SAYS that Bats has a bit of Kryptonite, and change the story around, then sure, the Man o' Steel's all powerful here.

If you're stickin' to the comic, then it's already been proven. Batman has a chunk o' that silly planet, hence...

;)

[BigJim]

Originally posted by dvnc
LOL! Aw, Jim, if you DISCOUNT that DC already SAYS that Bats has a bit of Kryptonite, and change the story around, then sure, the Man o' Steel's all powerful here.

If you're stickin' to the comic, then it's already been proven. Batman has a chunk o' that silly planet, hence...

;)

True Dave, but think of this. To get a small chunk of kryptonite to affect Supes (I'm assuming it's a chunk about the size of a fist?) Batman would have to get close enough for it to do the damage. Given that Superman has x-ray vision, super hearing and more smarts than a lot of comic book fans would give him credit for; it's still gonna be difficult for Batman to lay it on him.

Supes is by far and away the physically superior, so he'd win without the kryptonite and there's still only a small chance that The Bat could win even with it.

***Big Jim buggers back off into obscurity, still not quite able to believe that he's trying to be logical about a comic book.***

[TklrJoe]

Yeah, even if Batman has Kryptonite, Superman has super-vision and would see it comin', and stay away from it... if Batman had the Kryptonite in a lead box or something, Superman would figure it out!

Despite their different approaches, Batman and Superman both fight for what's right, so I don't know why they would fight each other anyway, other than to sell comic books and movie tickets!

Incidentally, the box office is one place where Batman definitely wins: according to Entertainment Weekly magazine, the four Christopher Reeve Superman movies brought in $318 million, while the four Batman movies (Michael Keaton-Val Kilmer-George Clooney) hauled in $705 million! Although I think that's partially due to the ridiculous increase in movie ticket prices (compare 1979 ticket price to 1989).

[BigJim]

I defiatley agree he'd be suspiscious of a lead box. One doesn't get bitten by THAT snake twice.

Knowing story writers as I do, I think there'll be a confrontation of some kind, because of their different approaches to sorting crime out. The result of the "fight" will probably be an inconclusive stand off.

If you compare the percentage margin of profit between cost of the movie and how much it cleared into the black, the Superman movies would slaughter the Batman ones. The last two Batman film were full of special effects, but were the most dire pieces of shit it has ever been my dis-pleasure to encounter. With the Superman films only the last one was truly awful, and even that only had a budget of $17 million. I don't think that would've even covered George Clooney's salary in Batman and Robin.

[He-Man]

Originally posted by BigJim

. The last two Batman film were full of special effects, but were the most dire pieces of shit it has ever been my dis-pleasure to encounter.

Too true. Gotham didn't even LOOK like...well, Gotham in the last two movies. It looked TOO bright and safe..during the night. Sure, Batman helps keep crime down, but his city is supposed to look like a dark version of New York City...hey..didn't I read somewhere that NYC is sometimes called Gotham? I swear I read that somewhere..and not in a Batman comic book. Now if I can just remember WHERE I read that. lol

[dvnc]

Heck, I just think it's an interesting topic. ;)

I do agree, too, that Superman would learn to fear anything in a lead case. Then again, by now, he's gotta know that he and Batman are on the same side.

Now, if the WRITERS could get that clear...

Still, it's a silly and interesting topic, and I have enough serious at work already. Thanks for the interesting reads!

[BellaRisa]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by He-Man
[B]

Too true. Gotham didn't even LOOK like...well, Gotham in the last two movies. It looked TOO bright and safe..during the night. Sure, Batman helps keep crime down, but his city is supposed to look like a dark version of New York City...hey..didn't I read somewhere that NYC is sometimes called Gotham?



We New Yorkers call it Gotham quite a bit, actually. And you're right, it was way too safe-looking in the last few Batman flicks.

Bella

[arion30]

ok just for the record according to DC comics, gotham is supposed to be their version of New York and Metropolis represents LA.

Now my thoughts on the Batman v superman thing.

Batman. nobody ever gave him anything. He started his own company from the ground up to a multi-billion dollar empire. He has no super-powers. Just his brilliant mind and his determination to make himself as perfect as humanly possible. His jaded look at the world allows him to fight dirty and lets him do whatever it takes for justice to prevail.

Superman, his powers were given to them. His look on the world is that of the eternal boyscout. he believes that no matter what Law Good and the american way will eventually prevail. therefore whenever he has to fight dirty, his subconcious always holds him back and will cause him to hesitate, eventually that will be at the wrong moment and will cost him, and probably others dearly. Batman will never hesitate to do what he knows he must for the bigger picture. Supes, see the bigger picture, but doesnt always believe thats whats most important.

therefore in the crunch, I think batman would win out in the end.

[Rusty Shackleford]

jjj

[GL2814]

Hands down Batman would win the fight. All he has to do is toss Blue Boy a piece of Gold Kryptonite, thus removing his powers, forever. Making the big blue boy a normal human. Afterwards, Batman could go medievalon the big boy scout.

Kryptonite info. www.fortress.am/encyclopaedia/kryptonite.html

[He-Man]

Originally posted by GL2814
Hands down Batman would win the fight. All he has to do is toss Blue Boy a piece of Gold Kryptonite, thus removing his powers, forever. Making the big blue boy a normal human. Afterwards, Batman could go medievalon the big boy scout.

Kryptonite info. www.fortress.am/encyclopaedia/kryptonite.html

Huh...and I had thought it was RED Kryptonite that removed his powers...least that's what I remember my dad telling me. But who knows, they mighta changed it or something.

[arion30]

green kryptonite kills. red affects him unpredictably (anyone remeber when Ambush bug found a chunk turned it into a necklace as a gift for supes and they wound up switching bodies?) blue affect only bizarro and gold strip him of his powers

[Everlast]

wait a second......I thought there was only green kyptonite........I'm confused......

*staggers off, then turns around, screams, 'BATMAN!!!!' and passes out in a field of bunnies"

*:bunny: :bunny: :o :bunny: :bunny:*

[BigJim]

Originally posted by GL2814
Hands down Batman would win the fight. All he has to do is toss Blue Boy a piece of Gold Kryptonite, thus removing his powers, forever. Making the big blue boy a normal human. Afterwards, Batman could go medievalon the big boy scout.

Kryptonite info. www.fortress.am/encyclopaedia/kryptonite.html

Why don't we just go the whole hog and give Batman an "anti-super powers- death ray"?