Tickling Video Monotony?

I'm in a weird position. Because I really like a lot of the tickling producers out there. And I like the material they produce. Some through clips4sale. Others through a membership site. But I can't help feeling a little... well, lack of a better word... ho-hum when I watch them lately.

Has anyone else felt this way? This is not a complaint of the material themselves, it's good stuff. But sometimes it's the same stuff. Usually different girls, which is nice, but same positions, same tickles, same tools, same giggles, same pleas to stop, etc. Still good stuff, just the same.

Again, from a material perspective, nothing necessarily wrong with it. But when it comes down to that all-mighty dollar, how do I decide one clip from another when they're all kind of the same? Or does it make sense to join a membership when all the clips are kinda the same?

I feel weird about this, because I don't want this to be a negative rant. I'm not totally negative about it, I really do like what I see. I just would like to see some variety or figure out ways there can be variety so it doesn't become stagnant.

What do we need? More role-playing? More playful tickling videos? More hardcore tickling videos? More challenges? More storylines... REAL storylines, not just "here's a somewhat acted scene and then back to our usual tickling setups"? More... I don't know, what?

Or am I just being too picky with my tickling video experience? I'll take that as a possibility too.

So what do you think? Do you agree that some tickling videos are good, but more of the same? Is the technology and cranking out vid after vid losing the creativity?

Or are video producers not able to think outside the bun cause they gotta keep making videos to compete or because they just simply don't have enough extra time?

I'll stop asking all these questions now, but I'd love to hear your thoughts. Or read them actually.

I don't think you're being too picky at all. This is a good thread to start because I was beginning to feel the same way.

There are some producers that 'mass produce' videos and it's really the same thing over and over and over every time. Not that there is anything wrong with that - but to me, it's boring.

Now, I try to keep things fresh to a point - different bondage positions, different outfits, etc. - and I am really looking forward to some community input from this topic to see what everyone thinks is "missing," if anything.

No, you're absolutely right. This is why I seriously lean towards the "scenario" clips, with some talking between lee and ler.

There are great clips in terms of a very ticklish lee, but if nothing is said between them in 6-10 minutes, it may as just well be a loop of laughter that is 30 seconds.

I have cancelled memberships that I was originally happy to have, because the clips were just the same over and over. Good ticklish and attractive lee's or ler's, but nothing else.

Yeah, your all right. Often it's a bit boring and many producers juz make the same stuff again and again juz with some different models. There'S really often a lack of creativity. Ok, maybe a lil storyline would be cool or really some more interesting bondage positions. I really would apreciate this.

My personal totally unimportant opinion is that we need more hardcore clips. I always read a lot of threads about genital tickling, but I hardly ever see clips for it - at least not good ones!

For me, I think it may be more a case of over saturation, or a desensitizing from watching so many clips. With so many clips being produced and offered on almost a daily basis, it stops being the thrill it once was. I'm just thinking I may need to take a break.
I've been doing my own sessions as well, hiring models for home made videos, and I've noticed I've gotten more and more selective on which responces I reply to.
This kind of collecting, there's not like there's any goal of completion, like with items in which there is a finite number to.

I am not complaining in general about the tickling clips I have been watching ,in fact I am grateful that so many producers ,actually give us many free samples ,but overall my feeling is that the more you watch ,the more you will see the same thing over and over ,with the exception of different models being used ...this probably can't be helped as each producer is trying to appeal to as many different people as possibly ,after all it is a business ....I have found myself becoming more drawn to "real life"tickling clips ....homemade if you will .then the models run the gamut from lovely young women with model like bodies to more mature women ,bbws even ...and the settings and reactions are usually different from one another .....I myself would prefer to purchase a clip containing ordinary people who just enjoy the art of tickling ....and if there had to be a commercially made video ,then one where the ticklee is truly "tickle tortured "but for a very small amount of time ....lets say 5 minutes ..no more ...tickling videos are like regular porn ..the longer the movie the more the turn on wears off ...at least for me ,it is that way ....

The customer is spoiled, the competition is harder.

I could also said, there is today much more to choose from than let say, 10 years ago. The quality has improved, and as a consequence the customer is more exigent. At his peak TIB, was unbeatable, today he would have been a very good competitor among very good producers. The quality of the average tickling clip is better.
Today the same models work for the different stores, so is possible for the customer to compare which store is the best since they use the same ticklee. The skills of the stores at tickling can be compared and tested for consistency. Everybody knows that a good clip from FM concepts is the exception not the rule.And also is possible to see which ticklee is really ticklish no matter who's tickling.

The ticklee has to be truly tickle tortured, however, it is not only mechanically inducing laugh; the tickler has to be very good at teasing too. Think about Priscilla, from TIB, any tickler no matter M or F could identify with her evil way of tickling the victim out of her/his mind meantime teasing like a cat with a mouse. It was not only the tickling it was the interaction, the conversation, the sadistic fun so to speak.
The interaction ticklee/tickler has become very important to differentiate the product, mimicking real life tickling. If it were only pretty girls laughing, Czech ticklish girls would have eaten all the competition,years ago which is not the case. There is Mo to prove the contrary, just to mention one.

The tickler that really knows how to tease the victim, like CCarter (the best today IMO), can sell clips only with being on a clip, and a truly really ticklish ticklee that seems to enjoy it like Troy (Viper), just to said one, can also sell just for being on a clip.

I do not think is more elaborate plots as much more interaction, to make the clip more fun, mechanically tickled to hysteria and sadistically teased to madness. If you need a plot to do it, carry on.

It seems weird to write so much about a fetish...but such is life.

i think we need more scenarios,,,,,like the amazon tickle from paradise a few years ago.... also u dont really see multiple lees in clips anymore that always adds good story line

good thread; I very much agree.

Many sites that I like seem to fall into a formula of the type of clips they make. and while, like you said, any clip on its own is wonderful, it gets a bit old when they do the same ones over and over. I don't like negatively singling out producers, but on the flipside I will say that I feel like ticklechicks is a good example of a site that keeps things fresh and interesting, with alot of different scenarios and ideas.

And yea, the incredible volume of what's available has changed our standards significantly. I remember ordering my first VHS from magic touch (i'd never seen an actual clip on tv), and how i could barely sit still while i was waiting for it to arrive in my mailbox. now, there is so much that with rare exceptions i generally won't even contemplate buying a clip that isn't f/f.

that being said, it's probably not the worst problem to have

MrTicklefeet said:

For me, I think it may be more a case of over saturation, or a desensitizing from watching so many clips. With so many clips being produced and offered on almost a daily basis, it stops being the thrill it once was. I'm just thinking I may need to take a break.

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I agree so much with this above statement, I've been collecting
tickling material for probably a little over ten years now. I have to say, the
thrill is definitely gone... haha. So I've cooled my jets considerably, in
regards to purchasing tickle clips/DVDs. I still do, just not as often as I
use to. When I first found tickle related material my stomach
dropped, it was unbelievable to me. I literally thought I was the only
person into tickling or had a tickling fetish, so to speak.
I've seen so much tickle material now that I do feel somewhat desensitized
to it.

I also agree with daryl. I would like to see more scenario type
scenes. I would also love to see more prepping of the ticklee before the
tickle torture actually starts. Maybe seeing the ankles or wrists
restrained and then seeing some shoe removal or shoe and sock removal.
I think that adds to the teasing and anticipation for the ticklee. That's
something I've always enjoyed, that mixed in with the scenario set up.

I also agree with Radiohead 7140. A lot of stores fall into the formula
rut, and that to me does get boring. The clip itself can be wonderful,
especially for a tickle enthusiast finding it for the first time, but
for someone who's been on the scene for a while, not so much.

Also to ticklesfeetintx, I don't think this is a negative rant at all, I think many
feel the way you do. It's good you started this thread.

I don't know if this position has been done but...have the girl sitting in a chair legs together. have the legs close to her body so she can get her hands underneath. Tie her hands together, while they are underneath her legs. Tie her legs to the chair so she can't move. Blindfold her and tickle away!

First off, everyone, thanks for acknowledging I wasn't being negative and supporting this thread. I don't want to be a complainer, as I have seen in the past, cause that goes nowhere. I honestly want to think of ways to infuse variety. So I figured I would agree with some things mentioned that may help me personally, and maybe others:

Scenario setups would be fun, I always love those. I'll never get tired of an interrogation scene or the like. I also loved some of the scenarios from old school Paradise Vision, and I love the "Please tickle my feet" clips from Charlee lately. As long as the scenarios don't play too long. I have unfortunately been duped in buying tickling clips were the scenario without tickling was WAY too long.

Interaction plays a HUGE role for me. Anyone can move their fingers to tickle, but who looks like they're really enjoying it. Who's making funny banter and tickle-talk back and forth. Who has that Priscilla-esque sadistic look on their face?

I'm all for short and good over long and the same, as was also mentioned. Give me a strong 5 min clip with tickling from beginning to end over a 20 min clip that feels on repeat anyday.

And sometimes it's not even the tickling that needs to change, but the presentation. I remember a clip that Viviana did where she had to answer normal questions, but she had to do it while being tickled each time. There's also a clip that Tickle Abuse did where Brooke got revenge on an aunt who used to tickle her a lot as a kid. Was that really her aunt? Who knows? Who cares? It was fun! I do believe that presentation can play a big role in a clip. Just a simple twist works. But I think it has to be authentic.

I'm sure the constant flux of tickling material has a lot to do with it, too. It's funny how people will say there's more material now than 20 years ago. Heck, there's more now than when I looked FIVE years ago! It is becoming a more prominent and interesting fetish. I'm sure some models enjoy it, I could see it being more fun than some other fetish activities. So I totally understand the argument that seeing more of it has desensitived us for the excitement of that new tickle material.

But I think it also may mean evolution is in order. Kind of like when cable showed up, TV shows both network and cable had to start stepping up to the plate to be seen, and great new types of shows were a result. I think the same for tickling videos. I think we can have and should have all the great material we have now, and still have varieties of tickling presentations to cater to various whims.

But I'll end this by saying again thanks to the people who make this material, or we'd have nothing. I know you have a lot to consider when making your material... costs, access to people, buying tools, sets, etc. So sometimes the opportunity to create a lot of variety isn't always available. I totally understand that, and just hope that you will try when you do have the chance.

Let's keep this going, folks. What else can we suggest in the realm of tickling video variety?

Good thread. I like that I can brouse down the list of preview clips offered
here. A lot of them I don't even bother to look at because I don't care for
their stuff. Nothing against them, I just don't like their work. I spend more
time browsing clips4sale. I just wish those producers would offer a good
preview clip there. A lot of them don't.
I lean more toward the mature woman tickling, especially with nylons and I
do like the shoe removal. Scenarios, on the other hand, would probably
increase the length and surely the price of the clip. At better than a dollar
a minute, it could add up rather quickly.
Anyway, good thread dude. I've pondered saying this for quite some time
now, but I don't post a lot. I'm more of a reader.

Great thread

I used to purchase many vids but ive slowed down to a point that I cant remember the last time I invested in one.I used to purchase many videos from Paradise vision but I used to love participants like Katie, Liz, Ariel, and a couple others and they arent involved anymore. Some of the new videos look good but not enough to compel me to buy one. I loved Solefully Yours but unfortunately its not in business. My favorite is Last Laugh and will do a purchase soon but I have not purchased any from there in awhile. The lack of scenerios seem to be a problem with me. Maybe it has run its course for many people.

Seen one, you've seen 'em all???

Great thread and really insightful answers so far. Now for something different. I agree that the internet has made us ticklephiles more finicky than Morris the cat. In the dark ages( and yes I was there) locating any material was like finding a gold nugget in your trench coat. Now if a clip/dvd doesn't seem like an epiphany, it is dismissed and maybe even dissed. We have become desensitized I guess. The producers as a whole have raised the (spreader) bar. Those producers that have the tickle bug themselves and really know and care and understand what a quality finished scenario is are still da bomb. They care enough to use the main quality ingredient, ie a genuinely ticklish 'lee!! The "me too" group has put out too much garbage, but to each his own. Thanks to people like Viper, Jeff, Francois, French Tickling etc. that know what it takes and take care of business. If you really want seen one, seen em all experince try the tickling magazines.

Great thread!

I agree.

Before I started producing, I was an avid purchaser of clips...and prior to C4S, I was an avid P.O. Box VHS customer for a few of the larger companies...

With the onslaught of available clips these days, there will be monotony. Just like in music, evening sitcoms, etc.

Having so much to choose from pretty much guarantees that there's something out there for everyone.

Here are a couple of my specific tastes:

-I'm not terribly fond of scenarios/storylines....at all. I prefer the grass roots approach...

-Visibly escapable bondage is a NO NO...in-fact, it kills the ENTIRE video watching experience, IMHO.
To some, the bondage doesn't make a difference; to me, it's everything. What's the point of incorporating bondage, if the 'lee can get out?

Okay, for those that are rather selective with their video watching experiences, like myself, here's a bit of advice...

1. Are you a nice person?

2. Are you able to communicate well with others?

3. Are you a true tickling fetishist, and feel that sharing your vision would be an enlightening experience?

If you meet the above criteria, give some thought to producing your own vids!

Don't worry about being devoured...or not standing out. If you release some good shit, people will notice. It might take a little time, but stay positive...and good things will happen.

I started my small timer company with a digital camera, digital camcorder, a laptop, a few clamp lights ($8 each from any retailer), and an e-mail to a model I truly wanted to work with. All it takes is one shoot; then, you have a reference, some material to present to the community, and your confidence should begin to grow.

Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to create a video company, in any realm of fetishism.

It does however take motivation, a vision, and the willingness to search for the right people to work with.

Let the monotony motivate you...and you may have some memorable moments ahead.

I think a lot of us producers are unfairly criticized. I do this in my spare time out of my apartment, and in no way do I consider myself to be one of the big dogs. However, I'm constantly bombarded with suggestions (or demands) that I do this or that in my next video. We can't possibly satisfy everyone or else we'd go bankrupt.

I do agree with you that sometimes the videos seem repetitive. A while back I started a discussion here about plots in videos, and the overwhelming majority is against it. In my opinion they make the video more interesting, but people were quick to point out how terrible the acting sometimes turns out. Not to mention the fact that people who spend money on clips usually pay by the minute and really want to get the most out of their purchase. I would be upset if I spent $10 on a 10 minute video and half of it was cheesy acting.

No easy answers here.

ZenTickling said:

I think a lot of us producers are unfairly criticized.

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While I do agree that we are criticized...I don't feel that the criticism is unfair.

It's no different than someone visiting the movie theater on a Friday night, and having a sub-par time. Ya can't please everyone. There will always be critics.

The difference is, for fetish producers (as well as models), fans are able to contact via e-mail, private message, etc. with requests and ideas, feedback (both positive and negative), and even do so publicly within threads, visible to the actual producer of the material.

This gives the fans a true sense of being a part of the video making process.

However, we unfortunately can't directly contact Martin Brest, and relay how big of a flop Gigli was.

ZenTickling said:

I would be upset if I spent $10 on a 10 minute video and half of it was cheesy acting.

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This I agree with, 100%.

If I wanted to see acting, I'd view a Hollywood production, with trained actresses.

If I'm purchasing a tickling video, I expect real bondage, and real tickling. That's not really too much to require...

What I mean by 'unfairly criticized' is that some customers need to imagine what it's like to been in our shoes. We are forced to make BUSINESS decisions and most don't have the time or the money to bring every single suggestion to fruition. That's something that I think people need to understand.

It's great that we have this forum so producers and customers can feed off each other in order to make tickling content better. Customers spend money and unfortunately can be mislead into buying a clip with a girl who is not ticklish, but (from my experience) the risks involved with actually producing clips is so much greater.

ZenTickling said:

What I mean by 'unfairly criticized' is that some customers need to imagine what it's like to been in our shoes. We are forced to make BUSINESS decisions and most don't have the time or the money to bring every single suggestion to fruition. That's something that I think people need to understand.

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Makes sense.

I think I speak for a lot of us in saying I apologize if it seemed like I was criticizing. I don't think this thread was meant to be complaining, but rather discussing the nature of the market and what is appealing and what is not to us personally. I too used to buy video tapes in the mail and it is amazing what is available now versus what was then, and the convenience, etc. I don't think this discussion was meant to be complaining or criticism, however. sorry if it came across that way.

True

Its true some of us have maybe gotten a little spoiled. I do remember the dark ages and remember if a video came out how I couldnt wait to purchase it especially in the 80s. I think with me my expectations might be too high on how to apease my tickling fetish and I never can get enough.Yes if I could have looked in the crystal ball and saw what we have today back in the day I would have been extremely happy. I am looking forward to Francios of last laughs new effort it looks like a winner.

ZenTickling said:

What I mean by 'unfairly criticized' is that some customers need to imagine what it's like to been in our shoes. We are forced to make BUSINESS decisions and most don't have the time or the money to bring every single suggestion to fruition. That's something that I think people need to understand.

It's great that we have this forum so producers and customers can feed off each other in order to make tickling content better. Customers spend money and unfortunately can be mislead into buying a clip with a girl who is not ticklish, but (from my experience) the risks involved with actually producing clips is so much greater.

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Actually Zen, not arguing, I believe most of the customers probably understand. Is a business, only can survive if it make profit, like any other business, nothing special. Of course not every suggestion can made up to a clip. You have to guess which are the chances of a suggestion, if you made the clip, to actually bring enough sales as to justify the cost of made it in first place, and in the actual market which is much more competitive. A tickling clip has evolved from something very rare to almost a commodity.

And if a customer does not understand it, and is do eager to see that clip, he/she can always pay for that special clip of his/her dreams to be made. If there is the money, the clip would be made, if not his/her suggestion may or may not make up to a clip.If some customer is rude to you because you did not follow his/her "great ideas" tell him/her that for the appropriate price a custom-made clip can be made.

It would be worse if nobody made you a suggestion, because it would mean nobody cares about your product. If customers bombard you, with suggestions, it means you must have done something right. Your customers will bombard you with suggestions, and is your prerogative to pick those that according to your knowledge of your business would make sense to follow.

After all if a customer is so impertinent that want you to follow his/her suggestions, but does not want to pay for custom made, he/she can always go into the business and put his/her ideas to the market test and shake the monotony...or not.

Funny how this thread has strayed away from the original topic. Not so much about the monotony anymore, but about them folks making demands to see either this or that. That's more a result of the Age of Electronic Distraction, coupled with the Age of Instant Gratification. Those who can only relate to the electronic world and can no longer deal with the analog world, or worse yet, those that have never gotten the chance to learn the ways of analog world. The anonymity of the web, folks can critisize all they please from the saftey of their home, without fear of retaliation, or of anyone slapping them.
I too am showing my age of remembering the days of yore, ordering VHS tapes and having to wait a week before even finding out if it was going to be good or not. FM Concepts eventually came along, with the likes of Darla Crane, Lorielli, (Or however that's spelled) and Dorothy Laine who consistently produced good interesting products. Eventually, they grew to big, and started to be more like Ford Motors, cranking out videos like a production line, and the quality started to suffer.
Then the internet, and the Age of Instant Gratification came along, showing sample clips of the said videos. This made shopping for one's particular tastes much easier.
Having been born and raised in the Analog Age, I tend to keep shopping around until I find a sample clip that I really like, and then go running to the clips4sale store with my debit card in hand, like a kid heading to the candy store. I never understood the 'Can we see her in nylons' or what about this, or what about that attitude, but I can understand where it comes from.
Rapidshare has tried to take advantage of this new generation by having non premium members wait 45 seconds before downloading. 45 seconds isn't anything to me, but I can see someone born in the Age of Instant Gratification can get frustrated. As more of the Analog generation dies off, this general frustration will only increase.
But back to the original topic, the one of monotony, for myself has stemmed from being able to be so absorbed in the fetish fantasy world thanks to the abundance of a product which was only a very occasional treat back in the days of the VHS. Some desensitizing is going to happen. Its like my understanding of how cocaine abuse can happen, the more one does it, the more one needs in order to reach the same level of ecstasy obtained early on in the experience. This is an extreme example, I know, as tickling wouldn't lead to low self worth, paranoia, rage or hospitalization. At least let's hope not. That wouldn't be funny.
But it's still the magical horn of plenty here, and some of us have gotten use to the availability.
Having watched so many videos over the years, there were things I saw that I liked, and others I didn't like. Thinking, I could do this, back in '07, I started producing my own video for a private collection. Placing ads on Craigslist or Backpage seeking models to be tickled. A thinly veiled excuse to tie up women and tickle them silly for a few hours. Something I couldn't do with friends, not if I wanted to keep them. This was great joy, and the high from these sessions could last a week or so. Especially with the models who responded to my ad because they loved it, as opposed to those who only saw it as an opportunity for quick cash. Now I've pretty much slowed down and stopped, as the high doesn't last anywhere near as long as when I first started. Those in relationships where tickling is a part of the experience can grow from it and with it. Those of us who just watch or have to rent the experience, well, it does kind of act like cocaine. A few hours later, the girl is gone, so it the money, all that remains is the fading memory of once was. (Why the video comes in handy, a souvenir of the event, but it does smack of being a serial tickler of sorts.)
The ad is set to run till mid february, but I don't plan on renewing it.
I still enjoy watching the videos of Dorothy Laine, Lena, or Nurse Lisa, or watching my own videos of Elise, Yuliya, or the elusive Laticia, but without the tickling experience being integrated in my life, that is, without having to pay for it, as I'm sure most of us experience, it will always remain a fleeting ecstasy. Sometimes it might be better just to take a break, and detox for a while, come back later when it's fresh and powerful again.