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Open complaint to all video producers (re: tickle tools/interviews)

nontkl

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First off, thanks to all the producers who create all the great clips, I am a fan of so many companies, and so I want to make two complaints about some trends in tickle clips these days.....


1.) ENOUGH WITH THE TOOLS ALREADY!! The toothbrush and the hairbrush especially!! Now admittedly, personally I'm a fan of fingers. And the mouth. And I think that buzzing thing that TIB started everyone using is a great instrument. A stiff feather in the hands of a good tickler is also great (though most feather tickling is usually done poorly). Now....ONCE IN A WHILE.....sure....break out something else. And I know there are some that maybe have a fetish about using tickle tools, so I'm not trying to shut it all out. But this whipping out the toothbrush...it looks weird! It ain't sexy! I mean, sometimes these tools get brandished to the camera as if I'm supposed to be losing my composure just by the sight of the toothbrush!

Often these tools DON'T tickle better. And nothing is sexier than seeing the human touch, the nuance of the fingers (if it's done right). Brooke from Tickle Abuse, and also Charlee, and also the TMJ guy....some of the best ticklers out there! Why would I want to see them use a brush or a toothbrush when they have such perfect handwork!!! Brooke's hands should be insured for a million dollars!! I mean....it just looks silly, a vision of sexiness, sexy ticklee, sexy tickling, sexy tickler....and then some little blue toothbrush!!! If there's so many people who are obsessed with tool tickling (i was never that aware of that around here), then maybe just make certain tool tickling videos, like you do with other subfetishes (nylons, etc)


2.) I LOVE interviews. Almost as much, if not as much, as actual tickling, I LOVE hearing tickle talk. Unfortunately, most interviews I think miss what's sexy about it! obviously, asking a question like are you ticklish, how ticklish, where are you ticklish, do you like it/hate it......right on. No prob. And other little questions about who they are, what music they like, whatever, I like a little of that, get to know the girl.

But I just want to yell this from a mountain top......IT'S NOT ABOUT HEARING ABOUT HOW THEY WERE TICKLED WHEN THEY WERE A CHILD!!! UGH!! I get icked out whenever that gets asked! And then GETS DWELLED ON!!! "So what did your uncle do?" ICK!!! Ok, I understand, you want to do a quick tickle history, fine. One quick question.But the REAL sexiness comes from what's happening to them now! As a sexy girl! A girl remembering, recounting, or strictly informing about her experiences of tickling as foreplay and flirting! Get it? As in, hey sexy gorgeous tickleable girl, when you're with a guy, how long does it take for him to find out you're ticklish? Experiences of being tickled on dates, by boyfriends, by guys that liked them, or guys they liked. Or girlfriends. Whatever. Do they ever get ticklish during sex? I'd like to know! (I'm making these questions up off the top of my head! These interviews often seem like the interviewer doesn't even know what to say!). Are there parts that cracks them up if they get kissed? Any kind of memorable experience? But it's not into imagining the girl as some little child, that's not sexy (to me) (a prodigious purchaser of clips!)

I wanted to post this here, since all the producers come here. I hope it doesn't get moved.

Other than that....you guys are doing great jobs! Some of the best ever clips are being made these days!!!
 
OH YEAH! ONE MORE THING!!!

THe old holding-the-camera-on-the-foot-but actually-tickling-elsewhere-to-give-the-illusion-the-girl-is-ticklish-on-the-feet....I HATE THAT. I feel RIPPED OFF when that happens. I'd rather just quickly see she's not ticklish on the feet and then go back to the place that IS tickling her.
 
As Opposed..

To a closed letter? WTF is an Open letter.

I happen to LOVE toothbrushes and in the hands of a skilled tickler they can be awesome.
 
you know you can pay for custom videos, not everyone agrees with your point of views (foot to mouth), if you don't like it dont watch it, wierdo
 
you know you can pay for custom videos, not everyone agrees with your point of views (foot to mouth), if you don't like it dont watch it, wierdo

You realize you're in a tickling forum? That also makes you a weirdo.

DK
 
you know you can pay for custom videos, not everyone agrees with your point of views (foot to mouth), if you don't like it dont watch it, wierdo

You spelled weirdo wrong, weirdo. (no hard feelings, sis) (if you really are a sis, and not a guy posing as one). And who said foot to mouth? How about kissing around a girl's naval area, or her sides? I just saw an amazing clip where a girl was kissing another girl behind her knees and the girl was going crazy. Did I say anything about foot to mouth?

And to Banshee, an "open letter" is a well-known expression meaning a letter to someone, but posted in a public forum (like a newspaper, or the TMF). I don't know where you've been but it's not an uncommon phrase whatsoever.

Lastly, I'm not saying outlaw all tickle tools! Of course, keep 'em in for those who love them, and to mix it up on occasion. BUT EVERY CLIP???

(thanks Red Faction and Dark Knight!) Always love stirring it up at the TMF! No hard feelings!
 
Wow! All great stuff. As a Producer, I try to have some tool tickling but never a lot. I find the fingers always get the best reaction out of my 'lees.
 
I also get frustrated when it takes the tickler 5 minutes to set up whatever apparatus is used to do the actual tickling. Cut that part and get to the tickling.
 
When u don't like sone things then why do u buy them?

I think the point nontkl is trying to make is that EVERY clip these days seems to have brushes and toothbrushes used, so realistically he cant avoid it if he buys any videos at all

i am in full agreement with you nontkl, i am buying videos atm and i actually find myself SKIPPING parts with hairbrushes in them. the ticklers jus scrub away at the foot and i doesnt do anything for me at all. of course that is my own personal feeling, but it seems the majority of the good clips atm have the brushes

and also fully agree about the interviews, i do not want to hear how they were tickled as kids! thats jus not on
 
Awesome! I see some of you understand!!! :)

I just meant it as a little constructive (key word: CONSTRUCTIVE) input!

Tickleshow, thank you! You understand!! You listen! And by the way, I wasn't referring to you, you do a great job (for my tastes). But either way, as a producer, it helps to hear from your customers, right? Right!

And good to see I'm not alone! I always skip those parts too! Thanks for speaking up! TicklerNI!! That's what I'm trying to say!

Maybe do a LITTLE tool stuff for those who like it (like I said the buzzing thing that was adopted by many companies years ago seems to work diabolically), I just mean it's getting to be the centerpiece of every clip, like, uh oh, watch out, here comes the brush! And once it's out, it's there for the rest of the clip. And I know some like the tool stuff, so I'm not trying to ruin their party.

Oh yeah, I agree with you Wolflarsen, long set ups...maddening!!!!

The Interview stuff, that's actually the big thing for me, I should have put that first!!!

Right on! I feel heard! I love the TMF! Just trying to make clips that are already great that much better!!

Any other things any one has to add they'd like to see more or less of?

How about when you pan to the tickler's foot while she's in the middle of administering an amazing tickling? A little less of that? Or is that a favorite move?
 
Honestly, I'm not a big fan of people using the toothbrush on a victims arm pits, not sexy at all. But when they use it on someone's foot that's in stocks, and see the victim going absolutely ape shit, it's very enjoyable.

And I agree entirely with your point about the interviews. Everyone was tickled as a kid, idgaf about that. Honestly, I'd rather listen to an interview by them after their session was over, to describe the experience and the emotions they were going through. Now that's fun to listen to.
 
I have to say I prefer the tools given to us by god both in real life and in videos, too!
I do have a soft spot for feathers in my heart, though. x3.

While I'm posting here I want to thank all the producers for their fantastic work, no matter what tools you prefer to use. :3.

Kisses
Lummie
 
I rarely find tools all that sexy at all. Feathers are the only one that really does it for me. Fingers and feathers are by far the best. So I agree with OP.
 
Good points all Non, and others

To be honest there are some tickle models, and people in general, that are more ticklish or laugh even harder when an electric toothbrush or hairbrush is used.

Some go nuts due to fingers.

Believe me whichever works best will be implimented most

We get lots of request for everything under the sun from tools, to positions, to wardrobe, to nylons, to color of nylons, to socks, to removal, to not so fast removal, and the list could go on and on.

It's cool to see many producers trying to do something for everyone whether in one clip or in different clips

I'll try to do some more clips with only fingers now, as will others!

We love constructive input! We listen!
At least most do, so keep it coming!

Peace,
TMJ
 
Well, let me agree for TMJ here and say for the most part, I use what works.

I also want to say that there's a zillion producers out here now; if there's some that make stuff that you don't like, stop buying from them. I honestly got into this business because I do what I like, what makes me happy, and what the models enjoy. It seems my customers like it, so I'm happy with that.

I get complaints because I don't show faces, because I use tools, because I don't use tools enough, what tools I should be using (but mostly because I don't show faces, really)...

Every person who has a complaint could do the same: write an open letter and say, "Hey, do more of what I LIKE!" Or conversely, "Stop doing what I DON'T LIKE!" Which is why, in the end, it comes down to either finding what you like, or making your own.

Hey, I'd love to be able to use nothing but fingers and feathers. That means I get lots of physical contact, and have ticklees who are off the charts ticklish at the lightest touch. But really? The world ain't like that. People ain't like that. What works for one, doesn't work for another.

I also started doing this because (and we all know this), there were producers of tickling material in that part of Southern California (won't name any names, but it might rhyme with "Effing Toncepts") that makes a zillion videos a year, with top end models ... and if you've tickled as many women as I have, you just KNOW that they're not ticklish.

And then they lie about it. To your face. ("You can't tell the difference," one famous director of their shoots all but said on her website.)

In reality, for many people (and for some of our models), tickling truly is TORTURE. It's one of the biggest "hard limits" there is in the BDSM business. When models go in and sign the papers to do it, they check off things they won't do, and tickling gets checked off more than almost anything else except things like blood play, scat, vomit—you get the idea.

And when you're working for those big guys, the money is good enough that they say, "Oh, I'll fake it." And then the producers, who have a fiduciary interest in the matter, will say, "You can't tell."

Which is why many of us are here. Because we started out consumers, and got tired of the BS.

So we make what makes us happy, and hope you like it too. I find girls and women who either don't mind being tickled, or can endure it because it makes me happy, or find a secret thrill in being some kind of anonymous fetish porn star from the ankles down. Because there sure as shit ain't enough money in this at our level to make anyone rich these days.

I'd like to make stuff that sells like blazes and makes you (and everyone else) happy. But in the end, I'm doing what I'm doing, and it's crazy sounding enough to say it but ...

That's what makes it "art."

(Yeah, I can't believe I said that either)

knismo
Stuck In The Stocks
 
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You spelled weirdo wrong, weirdo. (no hard feelings, sis) (if you really are a sis, and not a guy posing as one). And who said foot to mouth? How about kissing around a girl's naval area, or her sides? I just saw an amazing clip where a girl was kissing another girl behind her knees and the girl was going crazy. Did I say anything about foot to mouth?

And to Banshee, an "open letter" is a well-known expression meaning a letter to someone, but posted in a public forum (like a newspaper, or the TMF). I don't know where you've been but it's not an uncommon phrase whatsoever.

Lastly, I'm not saying outlaw all tickle tools! Of course, keep 'em in for those who love them, and to mix it up on occasion. BUT EVERY CLIP???

(thanks Red Faction and Dark Knight!) Always love stirring it up at the TMF! No hard feelings!


It's a stupid ass phrase used by tools. Any letter in a public forum is by definition Open, therefore the term "open" is not needed.
 
In support of hair brushes and the status quo

I can understand where the original poster may be coming from based on his own life experiences. But like TMJ wrote, different ticklees have very different responses to tooth brushes, hair brushes, fingers and feathers. For me, both as a producer and as a fetishist, I'm about extracting the maximum reaction and not the tickling implement.

Some girls are so invigorated, inspired and freaked out by the awesome power of the hair brush that they can't wait to go home and try it on someone and then call or text me to yap on and on about the experience - Yet another reason to stock on on hair brushes.

About 8 hours ago I shot a new tickle video "Training Agent Amber" with Amber Fire. At some points I got better reactions with the hair brush and other times I got better reactions with my fingers. Rather than a blanket statement of what I hate to use, I use what works. Hearing, seeing and feeling the trapped girl lose control to the tickling is my quest.

My opinion is that this (the hair brush epidemic) is not a problem because we have lots of choice from many producers now. Producers experiencing success with their methods will (for good reason) continue. I think all reasonable producers will appreciate this thread and factor it in. But for me, to know that I can get most models to freak out and go over the edge of their sanity from the tickle stimulation of the hair brush and to "brush" tool aside - that would be a sin that I'm not ready to commit.

On the interviews, I think we have diversity on how they're currently done by various producers. We have some similarities and some differences - and that's a good thing.

One thing I'd like to say to all producers reading this thread is to weight it appropriately as it only represents the vocal views of the few posting and may or may not represent the views of the larger audience who buy your clips.

JD

Hair_Brush.jpg
 
Agree with both. I have posted requests for interviews for a long time on this forum but only once in a while the producers actually do that.
 
As a very long time video watcher I AGREE %100. Tools are fine in brief but lately it has been wayyyyyyyyyyyyy overused. ENOUGH already!
 
Well expressed everybody,
Now for my take on it from a newer producers point of view:

I have to admit that full contact tickling fingers on skin is the most fun of all. A guy or girl with skilled hands make the lees move with a different intensity than tools and I think thats because the tools get used in predictable patterns but hands wander randomly keeping it fun and lively. Since if it stops being fun then theres no sense producing it.
I also like to experiment with tools and try to create a few of my own too. The hitachi is a staple for my forced orgasm tickles and adding "The Judge" made it a unique but large tickle tool. I have lots more tool ideas but they don't dominate my clips.
As far as interviews go I do them for youtube promos myself but generally discuss the shoot candidly and try to sneak at least 1 tickle. I try to get them something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99plfxdL06w

Thanks for everyone s compliments and insights to help us newer producers grow.
Sincerely,
TG
 
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