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Thoughts on the origin and quitting of a fetish

mart

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Every once in a while a question or article appears here trying to explain or trying to find a way to overcome, the tickling fetish. Why should we attempt anything so absurd? And how?

In this article I have tried to express both how and what could lead one to not want to be dependent on something so superficially harmless and fun. Hope I don’t upset anyone’s feelings, or be seen to be trying to preach. My focus is more on a kind of phenomenological analysis of the issue than trying to tell anyone what they should do. And be warned, it is also rather long.

I have written specifically from a male point of view. I cannot make judgements about female fetishism, but am happy to hear if any of this holds true as well.

<B>Definitions</B> (mine):
A fetish is an activity, situation, object or body part, the thought or carrying out of which substitutes for the activity or thought of the potential sexual partner, the sex act itself or those organs normally associated with sex such as breasts, penis, vulva etc.

A fetishist is someone who is aroused by the thought of a body part, action or object other than the thought of the sex act or sexual organs, or the thought of the sexual partner, and substitutes this in place of those corresponding directly with the sex act or the direct relationship with the sexual partner. (Even if the sex act, as in a majority of cases, forms a part of the process of achieving orgasm.)

I am aware that these definitions are a little narrower than is generally accepted, but I believe they apply to many people who are deeply entrenched in their own fetish.

How does such a fetish start, develop from early fascination through to a gradual addiction? Where do we draw the lines between kinkiness and perversion, between social integration and a sexuality that is isolated in itself, independent of any physical partner? And most of all, what happens as the years go by and the person develops a dual personality – a normal self that functions in the world, and a second persona that comes out at night (or day) when for a period of several hours preoccupation with the fetish determines what rules the person’s life, how he spends his money and time, what occupies his attention?

I have called the stages of development:
1. Fascination and Exploration
2. Fantasising and Interchange (with the process of masturbation)
3. Fixation and Integration (into personal life circumstances)
4. Addiction and Isolation
5. Disillusionment and either Transformation or Decadence.

Most people will agree that a fetish develops in childhood – sometimes early childhood – out of a kind of fascination with an activity, body part or object. We could call this the period of <b>fascination and exploration.</b> An action like spanking or tickling is explored in random circumstances, or an object poses an irresistible attraction. Experimentation is non-committal, the interest both in the object and in the corresponding inner reaction. But it is more as a phenomenon itself that is explored, without the purpose of arousal.

The second stage is reached with puberty, when physical sexual desire leads to masturbation, and the intensity of arousal and ensuing orgasm are found to be related to fantasies of the fetish. Now begins a time that we can call <b>fantasising and interchange,</b> where we explore details of our fantasy, particular words, exact moments or circumstances that arouse desire. The fantasies are repeated endlessly, the fetish takes on an individual and exact form.

Gradually this leads to changes in behaviour. We live out this or that fantasy, begin to apply it to relationships with a partner, spend money on accessories, develop a hidden or open second life with serves the fetish. This period we could name the time of <b>fixation and integration</b> – the fetish becomes fixed and formed, and it is integrated into ones life, possible marriage, and circumstances.

But he fixation becomes increasingly one-sided, affecting one’s sex life, relationship with one’s partner and so on. It begins to become dominant in determining ones life choices, can become expensive and increasingly divorced from outer realities. This shows all the classical symptoms of <b>addiction and isolation.</b>

As the person grows older, what was an understandable, often harmless and fun kinkiness can begin to affect reputation, lead to instances where behaviour can be seen as harassment, break down marriage relations, and lead to overspending, secretiveness, unexplained absences and so on. It is merely a matter of time before either the person himself becomes aware of this, or it is brought to his attention by society – and could lead from social ostracism to job loss right through to criminal charges.

Now begins a time of reflection, one that we can call <b>disillusionment and either transformation or decadence,</b> where some tough decisions have to be taken. The nature of this reflection depends on the kind of person we are – i.e. do we tend to accept that circumstances have made us the way we are, and allow things to take their course? Or do we feel we are personally responsible and can decide to bring about the changes we would like to see?

Here we are haunted by the results of the time of fantasising and interchange. It is the key period in which the fetish developed its final form.

For sexual stimulation comes from two different sources. One is from <b>physical desire</b> or plain horniness. And the other through <b>sense impressions</b> (a beautiful woman, man, a piece of underwear hanging on the line - whatever) and the thoughts and fantasies arising through them (a woman’s feet, someone being spanked or tickled, soft silkiness, etc.) It soon takes very little to trigger off this more <b>mental/emotional stimulus,</b> which arouses the desire for physical gratification. This happens even when the innate physical desire is absent; we are still sore from last night’s shenanigans and so on.

Soon the mere memory or sudden mental image of a sense impression is enough to arouse desire and consequently we become both mentally and physically dependent on the fetish for our sexual gratification. Later in life, when actual physical desire wanes, there is still an emotional need for sexual stimulation and fulfilment, as it has become part of our self-image as males. We may have little actual physical desire, but the mental need for sex or masturbation and preoccupation with the fetish drives us on.

So what to do?

How to we transform this if we do not like it? How do we change behaviour?

To me, a change in basic behavioural patterns is not unlike the renovation of a house or some public works system (roads, drainage, electric). The first step is to shut down the system so that an investigation can be made and a plan of action worked out. (If, that is, one has not decided to immediately go the route of therapy). This shutting down of the system needs preparation and planning in order to be effective.

You could choose a time when you are not in the middle of every other normal routine surrounding you and decide, for the next 21 days that no sexual activity or masturbation will take place. Instead, spend some time each day reflecting on the nature of your fetish, look back on its origins, the course of its development, its main effects on your life. Become clear about what is physical desire and mental/emotional need. After about 10 – 30 minutes, go about the rest of your life. As thoughts about the fetish will only make the process worse, they take on a very minor role during this period.

One of the first things we become aware of is how difficult it is to let go of the emotional need for sexual gratification. Take any Viagra advert. It does not address the physical desire for sex, promising a permanent erection. No, they appeal to your male image as being able to satisfy your woman – perhaps several at once, to stay young and so on. Their success clearly illustrates that the self-image as a stud of the modern male is reliant upon continued sexual activity. A whole system of values, routine and habits ties us into this pattern

So we investigate for ourselves how much actual physical desire for sex has remained. It is a process many women have to go through all over the world as a matter of course as they leave menopause, and often male company, behind them.

The second thing we need to experiment with is whether, if we are denied gratification for any extended period, starting with a few weeks, the desire gradually increases or begins to wane?

On the basis of such personal investigation, we can make choices for our life ahead.

If we decide on transformation, what form is this to take? Like habitual smoking or eating, some plan with a chance of success needs to be clear, like further extended periods of abstinence, perhaps lengthening the duration each time.

But above all, the values that have driven us need to be replaced. All that time spent preoccupied with one’s fetish, the money spent on accessories and audio-visual material, and so on, chatting on forums like this, trying to find like-minded people…
 
I'm sorry, did you say 21 days with no sexual activity?! :shock:

I read this and while I find it insightful, I don't believe it's possible. Something as deep-rooted as a fetish goes much, much further than something like a smoking addiction. With an addiction to smoking, sure, remove yourself from the chemicals and deal with the personal. But something like a fetish is tied into your sexuality and your psychology. To the point where at times the lines blur. Some here seem born with it, no idea if this is true but this post, while very detailed, seems as futile as rehab for being gay. Time away from something may distance you enough from it to distract you, and during that time you may learn to meditate a continued mental distraction for when it surfaces again but I believe it's always a part of you.

Those that seem hard-wired with it, should they chose to attempt this hard stop, face the monster task of reworking their hardware and most don't have the knowledge of how to do that without destroying the machine itself. It's how you learn to live with it and manage it that'll make the difference.

Damn good post though. :)
 
I agree wholeheartedly with the Marquis's counter-argument, in that most likely, quitting of a fetish is an immensely difficult if not impossible task. We are hard-wired with these wild, inexplicable compulsions from a thousand and one forms of influence gathered through both conscious and subconscious means. Does this mean people don't deny them? Oh, they do, but I can almost guarantee they think about them, and they still struggle with the feelings of self-acceptance.

Otherwise, it appears as though you've put an immense amount of time and thought into your theories, mart. You definitely suggest some very interesting ideas and some areas of approach, and there's a very logical tier-by-teir progression to how you propose the "lifelines" of fetishes! You've got my mind working, and I'm probably going to think about this for a few days!
 
I tried when I was 16. No masturbation, no thoughts about tickling. One year later, nothing different. It doesn't really work.
 
You can't quit a fetish or sexual preferrence, just as you can't quit breathing. A therapist can help in accepting and controlling the fetish in case it is causing you suffering in any way, but you will never be able to totally quit it.
 
In your scheme, I would be classified as decadent. I don't feel decadent, I feel happy and I am enjoying life, including my interests (fetishes).

Why would somebody want to quit his or her sexual interests? Enjoy them, don't quit them.
 
Why would somebody want to quit his or her sexual interests?

Some people are sexually interested in children. I think that's a reason to "quit", or at least learn to control them.

In some cases, sexual interests can cause harm to the person interested or to others. And that is a reason to seek help.
 
You know, a while back I was actually considering talking to a doctor about it as this fetish was actually affecting my outside life. I broke up with a girl that, to be honest, I was seriously starting to like because I held her in high regard and didn't want to tell her what I really like to do. Our sex life was decent but it got really stale. I knew how to fix it for myself but I was basically younger and scared of going out on a limb and risking unveiling my most intimate secret. So I broke up with her instead.... When asked about why I suddenly went cold on her, I had to make up lies.

Even now, I feel bad when I know I'm going down the road where I'm starting to have feelings for a girl as I know it's going to end bad for both of us unless I step up and explain this fetish which I have been incapable of doing so far.

And that right there is a major reason to not want to have this fetish...

I'm pretty sure you can't just get rid of it, but I know if it was possible I would probably want it out of my life because it can affect your happiness at times.:dropatear
 
Thanks everyone, for your thoughts and responses. I think each one of you is probably quite right in what he or she is saying.

And no, Milagros, I don’t think in my system you would be in the decadent class, as you are enjoying and living with your fetish. A person using drugs is not decadent, but one whose addiction determines behaviour patterns unacceptable in society, who has undermined his life and reputation, is. This is what I am talking about.

I cannot go to gatherings with people I don't know. I get off on the fact that most tickling models are young and attractive, and I cannot countenance tickling or having sex with someone who is not.

For a man who likes to tickle young women, when he is 30 is merely a little kinky. At 40 he is having a mid-life crisis and at 50 he is becoming a dirty old man. And the sneak tickles here and there are classed as sexual harassment rather than flirting. If you don’t stop that sort of thing at some point of your own accord, society will do it for you. And at that point the fetish is no longer as enjoyable as it was before, unless you have adapted your habits so that they are not offensive to those around you, as you obviously have.

I remember in the very early days of my introduction to the tickling media scene on the Internet, I was going through the links to the various tickling sites (before the days of clips4sale). There was an Italian producer linked there whose page I opened to the following message (approximately): "My site is closed! Because of my tickling fetish I have lost my beautiful wife and my family. I don’t know if I’ll be back."

It was not quite like that for me, but I know that tickling my wife after 10 years of marriage was no longer as arousing as in the beginning. And the fantasies of younger women, and of multiple tickle relationships became increasingly essential to be able to come to orgasm at all.

We are no longer together now, and the tickling fetish is the main reason, not because she rejected it, but because the needs of my fetish preclude it. I don’t know if she even knows of the existence of the tickle video. I certainly never told her, as we have been apart since before the time that I discovered it myself. But how an aging, sensible and kind woman should assess her husband’s need for this kind of thing needs little guesswork.

The problem with a fetish is that it is concerned with objects and actions, and not with people. It has no fidelity, does not see the person behind the appearance, and therefore becomes increasingly superficial and divorced from reality.
 
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It was not quite like that for me, but I know that tickling my wife after 10 years of marriage was no longer as arousing as in the beginning. And the fantasies of younger women, and of multiple tickle relationships became increasingly essential to be able to come to orgasm at all.

Uhm, and how did that have to do with your fetish? Welcome to the world of relationships! :) Sex just isn't the same anymore after ten years, that's life, that's perfectly normal!
 
Uhm, and how did that have to do with your fetish? Welcome to the world of relationships! :) Sex just isn't the same anymore after ten years, that's life, that's perfectly normal!

My dear, this whole post is about coming to terms with reality :)
 
You know, a while back I was actually considering talking to a doctor about it as this fetish was actually affecting my outside life. I broke up with a girl that, to be honest, I was seriously starting to like because I held her in high regard and didn't want to tell her what I really like to do. Our sex life was decent but it got really stale. I knew how to fix it for myself but I was basically younger and scared of going out on a limb and risking unveiling my most intimate secret. So I broke up with her instead.... When asked about why I suddenly went cold on her, I had to make up lies.

Even now, I feel bad when I know I'm going down the road where I'm starting to have feelings for a girl as I know it's going to end bad for both of us unless I step up and explain this fetish which I have been incapable of doing so far.

And that right there is a major reason to not want to have this fetish...

I'm pretty sure you can't just get rid of it, but I know if it was possible I would probably want it out of my life because it can affect your happiness at times.:dropatear

It certainly can affect your happiness man, but learn to control it as much as you can and it may affect your happiness in a positive way.

Read Vae's thread about "coming out" it's pretty inspirational, and I've said it a bazillion times, if you don't make it into a huge deal and just do it, have fun with it, the results may surprise you in the future. It's how you say it not what you say. Try and be honest with the next person you're involved in and you won't have to struggle with this on your own. You may not have to keep it to yourself at all. And if she doesn't understand, fuck man you were honest and can walk away knowing you were. :)

Thanks everyone, for your thoughts and responses. I think each one of you is probably quite right in what he or she is saying.

And no, Milagros, I don’t think in my system you would be in the decadent class, as you are enjoying and living with your fetish. A person using drugs is not decadent, but one whose addiction determines behaviour patterns unacceptable in society, who has undermined his life and reputation, is. This is what I am talking about.

I cannot go to gatherings with people I don't know. I get off on the fact that most tickling models are young and attractive, and I cannot countenance tickling or having sex with someone who is not.

For a man who likes to tickle young women, when he is 30 is merely a little kinky. At 40 he is having a mid-life crisis and at 50 he is becoming a dirty old man. And the sneak tickles here and there are classed as sexual harassment rather than flirting. If you don’t stop that sort of thing at some point of your own accord, society will do it for you. And at that point the fetish is no longer as enjoyable as it was before, unless you have adapted your habits so that they are not offensive to those around you, as you obviously have.

I remember in the very early days of my introduction to the tickling media scene on the Internet, I was going through the links to the various tickling sites (before the days of clips4sale). There was an Italian producer linked there whose page I opened to the following message (approximately): "My site is closed! Because of my tickling fetish I have lost my beautiful wife and my family. I don’t know if I’ll be back."

It was not quite like that for me, but I know that tickling my wife after 10 years of marriage was no longer as arousing as in the beginning. And the fantasies of younger women, and of multiple tickle relationships became increasingly essential to be able to come to orgasm at all.

We are no longer together now, and the tickling fetish is the main reason, not because she rejected it, but because the needs of my fetish preclude it. I don’t know if she even knows of the existence of the tickle video. I certainly never told her, as we have been apart since before the time that I discovered it myself. But how an aging, sensible and kind woman should assess her husband’s need for this kind of thing needs little guesswork.

The problem with a fetish is that it is concerned with objects and actions, and not with people. It has no fidelity, does not see the person behind the appearance, and therefore becomes increasingly superficial and divorced from reality.

This. Is a good point. Do you think that, based on your first post, you can at least learn to control it? Or have it adapt and change WITH you?
 
Hard to know

At times I feel like my fetishes have held me back in life. I have a tickle and female foot fetish and getting on this site gives me great enjoyment along with the videos , drawings , stories and even real life experiences that I have paid for over the years. Many times it has been costly , and time consuming but I cant stop trying to satisfy my needs in this area. Ive come to grips with the fact that it is ok there are many like me but I havent always felt it is normal and try to quit, but I cant. Had a relationship but found out I could no longer pursue videos and materials because I couldnt spend the money or would have to hide stuff. Finally the relationship ended never any sex because im so consumed by my fetishes and I was starving to get back to lgetting videos and explore my fetishes again without worrying about it ruining my relationship. I am somewhat successful and have not let my desires ruin my employment but it is to hard to have a significant other have children and all that and have accepted my fate. Having what I percieve as normal probably would make me unhappy I guess
 
Spike, I think the way you are consumed by this is a good example when to actually seek help - this is a case where suffering starts from the fetish, unless you are totally happy the way it is now.
 
It certainly can affect your happiness man, but learn to control it as much as you can and it may affect your happiness in a positive way.

Read Vae's thread about "coming out" it's pretty inspirational, and I've said it a bazillion times, if you don't make it into a huge deal and just do it, have fun with it, the results may surprise you in the future. It's how you say it not what you say. Try and be honest with the next person you're involved in and you won't have to struggle with this on your own. You may not have to keep it to yourself at all. And if she doesn't understand, fuck man you were honest and can walk away knowing you were. :)QUOTE]


Cheers man, thanks for the advice and sorry for the late reply. I'll have a read of that. The plan is I'm going to tell the next girl I get serious with and just shut my eyes tight and see what happens haha!!!!:whisper::brick'd: I can see the funny side of the situation too because I'm personally not looking to settle down at the moment anyway. I have no money!!!! It's like "thanks a lot god for bestowing this unusual fetish that nobody seems to know about upon me!!!!" But yeah one day things will be cool.

EDIT - No idea why it's not quoting you properly but you get the idea!
 
Develpmental stages of a fetish

How did I personally go through these stages? A little bit of bio.

My first experiences of the fascination with tickling and feet were a young aunt and, embarrassing as it now seems, my grandmother. I must have been about 6 then. Then I met a cousin my age, who kept telling me not to tickle her, because she was ticklish. I couldn’t get the logic of that; what possible point could there be in tickling someone who was <i>not</i> ticklish?

For the next years I was in an catholic all-boys school, shy, withdrawn and dreamy, in a country where I had to learn the language afresh. I experienced my first real crush on a girl, we became good friends, but the thought of tickling her seemed almost unworthy. It was not until I was 10, moved to a co-ed school and new city that my interest was awakened once again. At school people tickled each other, the neighbour’s girls were fair game, and I explored to some extent until the first sexual responses became apparent.

After that it became a quiet, secret obsession, wanking behind locked doors to thoughts I shared with no one. Nobody tickled me, and I did not desire it, being reasonably non-ticklish. Every girl who met my standards became an object of fantasy, with many and varied scenarios. And always there would be the build-up of tension, with the erotic thought of the moment driving towards climax.

Meantime I had also spotted a couple of tickle scenes in movies! That was a phenomenon in my life. There were no videos at the time, and no television in South Africa. So I would frequent the cinemas, looking for likely possibilities and for actresses that appealed to me. Photos, movies, thoughts of girls I knew and could imagine tickling were on my mind numerously throughout the day and into the night.

Not at any time then or now was my life determined by my fetish. I have always had my ideals and principles, my intellectual interests and education. The work I did tended to define who I was, with whom I hung out and the topics of conversation. Tickling never entered into it except in my private inner space.

But I was still withdrawn and shy, did not easily trust girls after a rather hurtful relationship when I was about 16 with the girl next door. (My ticklees were generally the girls next door). So I got through university, fell in love with a young woman and together we left for Europe. She happened to be ticklish, though I did not know this when our relationship began. It was like a big bonus!

Actually, that was the way it turned out in all of my live-in relationships over the next years. I never spoke much about it, but they were ticklish and did not object to me tickling their feet or so. And meanwhile, I sneaked in a tickle here and there with any number of other young girls. But the brief touch, the question: are you ticklish, with required response, was enough to feed my fantasy. I did not have to meet them, discuss tickling at length or do anything else which for me would have meant a loss of my dignity and natural distance. No one objected; it did not seem unnatural to them, and it usually only happened once.

My marriage was true to form. I did not know she was ticklish until we made love for the first time. She was the first person I had ever spoken to of my need to tickle to be able to perform in bed at all – or to fantasise. She did not object, got into the spirit of things and began to invent tickle stories and scenarios that she would tell me to get me going. Creative lady. To this day I cannot say if she had some portion of the fetish or not, but when I asked her what got her off, she replied that it was the thought of the sex act, of making love.

Our relationship was not in any way defined by my fetish. We got on, she had children from a previous marriage and we shared many common interests, did much together – had a life outside of the bedroom which was highly productive and interesting. Only once did I tie her up, following some sort of mutual urge to experiment in bondage. It was not something we ever spoke about or repeated. I felt rather degraded by the whole thing. The fantasy turned out to be infinitely more erotic than the practice with someone you love and respect.

Then we became increasingly estranged from one another, emigrated, took up new work and made new, and different circles of friends. I had a brief affair with a young woman, and our marriage was, to all intents and purposes, at an end (though we have never got divorced).

During this time I got a video player and began to watch every movie I had ever wanted to see. Video cassettes were a dime a dozen and I had lots of time. I would order the videos on the shelves according to their tickle and foot content.

And then I got a computer…

I remember well the first time I saw on a site called Slice of the Day at the time, the link in the right column, www.ticklingvideos.net. It hit me between the eyes like Bruce Lee with a flying kick. It had not occurred to me up to this moment to even search Google with the word tickle. I never thought anyone else in the world would have been interested in something so innocuous as tickling. I saw the site and was hooked. I guess it must have felt a little like one’s first shot of heroin. And like the drug, it required increased variety, amount and content to keep me satisfied. I joined the forums, bought tickling clips for thousands of dollars, filled up my hard drives one by one – and found that very seldom did I watch a single clip more than once or twice.

But as I was fed this content from many sources, and began to realise that it was more common than I could have conceived, I was also more interested in trying it out in real life. But here I came up against myself hard. I was living in Europe. The laws and mores about sexual harassment are explicit, and I had seen one young woman quite frightened by having me give her a brief tickle in passing, although we knew each other reasonably well. So I stopped altogether,

A trip to Amsterdam and the shopfront prostitution scene there proved too much for me. After wandering half the night summoning up the courage, I finally allowed myself to be called into one of the rooms by a young woman from Guatemala. I asked her if she was ticklish beforehand. She replied yes, she was, mainly on her feet. I told her in a brief, rather nervous conversation, that this is what I was into. She did not mind, was indeed quite ticklish, and after about 20 minutes I left, exhilarated. I tried it out twice more on the following day, and then left for home.

Prostitution, of course, is legal in Europe, the brothels or studios advertise openly in newspapers and on the net, so I thought this might be a way to get in some tickling. I tried it several times, did not make bad experiences, but somehow could not reconcile the general atmosphere surrounding these places with the rest of my life. It just seemed so incongruous. Besides, I found that I did not want to return to the same woman twice, was always having to be on the lookout for new blood. So I stopped that too.

And now the question really hit home – where to from here?! I have a highly fulfilling and interesting job, live for the work I do, have a circle of friends, many of them young. They are interested in discussing life, not sex, with me. When I imagine myself “coming out” as if I was telling them I was secretly gay, what response could anyone imagine?

Hardly, “we really appreciate you telling us about your fetish for tickling. It helps us understand you so much better.”

No, far more likely, “you know, we really did not need to know that about you. Those kind of things are actually best kept in the private sphere where they belong.”

So, it looks as though this fetish is going to trouble me for the rest of my life if I do not do something to at least understand it from inside, in its psychological roots and with the hope of curtailing its dominance over me.

Hence the question…
 
Mart,

Thanks for this marvelous post and also thank you for sharing your personal account on your experience. You have certainly taken a good hard look at the realm of tickling fetish and fetish in general. As has everyone else who have replied in this post. All are valid points and theories and this is quite frankly a breath a fresh air. In the mad scurry of downloading more videos we, and personally I too, neglect to reflect on what it all means.

In my nutshell opinion, I believe that quitting a fetish is quite futile and as I read these posts it seems that most would agree on that point. Mart has made the point that a tickling fetish can interfere with our personal life and tickler118 has seconded this by stating that a tickling fetish can affect our happiness and also that, if given the chance he would drop the fetish altogether for the standard package sexuality! In these points I also agree. Lets face it, men who don't have sexual fetishes "probably" (there are of course many factors) have an easier time being intimate and forming solid relationships. And I fully agree that our desire for pictures and clips can run ahead of us and cause problems with our relationships. And Mart, I especially like your theory that when our consumption of clips and media runs rampant, our view of tickling and sexuality “becomes increasingly superficial and divorced from reality’.

In all these points/ theories I agree. And when looking at what I have just summed up at face value, the situation looks fairly grim. But……….. I don’t believe that it is all that bad. The situation isn’t great but you know what, it’s not all that bad either and quite frankly that’s just life! It could be worse really!

I believe that the only effective answer and method to use when dealing with these concerns is a little old fashioned self-control. Mart and few others touched on this idea in the previous posts. Mart took a hard-line approach on the matter and others disagreed with this. In my opinion, the degree in which we exert self control should be varied on the type of outcome we are looking for. I don’t believe, as Mart suggested, in completely abstaining from all sexual activity as a way of deactivating the fetish. But I do believe in challenging ourselves. It is a fact of life that to achieve great things in life we must sacrifice.

For me personally this involves much reflection and meditation on the matter. I personally aim to deal with the superficiality of the pornographic material. The further we distance ourselves from this, the less we will view sexual relationships with such naivety and superficiality. It’s a fact of nature that we will have to indulge in our sexuality from time to time, but our aim should be to reduce the number of times we do so. And also by doing so, we will take much more pleasure in the act.

I do not plan on quitting my fetish. It is a part of me and this is simply nature (or a higher being with a hilarious sense of humour!). We cannot blame anyone, anything, or any specific situation or circumstance for the way we are. And as such, the onus is on us to approach the matter in the most positive light we can. When we engage in relationships, the onus is on us to act with dignity and respect not just for ourselves but also for our partner. Give tickling a good name for Christ’s sake! And finally in the context of relationships, the onus is on us to approach the matter with honesty and integrity. If we do so, if we are honest with our partner, and if we are receptive to their input we will have approached the matter, in my opinion, in the best possible manner we can. And as Marquis de Sade stated; “if she doesn't understand, fuck man you were honest and can walk away knowing you were.” !!!!!!

Thanks Mart for starting this post, and thanks to all who have taken part, and will take part further on. Cheers.
 
Uhm, and how did that have to do with your fetish? Welcome to the world of relationships! :) Sex just isn't the same anymore after ten years, that's life, that's perfectly normal!

This. Married 10 years, and you wanted multiple partners and/or younger, more attractive women. You moved on. Congratz, now you're mainstream.

As Rhiannon said, your situation has nothing to do with tickling, per se. You're not going to be content with a single, constant partner. There's nothing wrong with that, assuming you don't get married again! At least you know what you want (and don't want) now, so go and get it!
 
I can appreciate having the urge to "quit" the fetish, and to make all the associated awkwardness of it go away. Unfortunately, I've found that, as has been stated, it can't really be "gotten rid of."

Personally, I have found ways to incorporate it into my social life to a point that alleviates the problems that may come with it. Fortunately, I prefer to accept it rather than fight it.
 
Mart, thanks so much for starting this thread. I agree with your analysis completely!
I’ve done research on fetishes over the years and it became obvious to me how little is known about the subject. One thing that really struck me though was the idea that fetishists are by nature shy, withdrawn and incapable of true intimacy in a relationship. Being very outgoing and having had numerous long term relationships, I didn’t fit that profile at all. Well anyway, I disagreed with that idea when I read it and it was reinforced after I found this site. I’ve read through numerous posts and discussions and reached the conclusion long ago that we are as “normal” as the general population. We just happen to have this kink. I don’t think it’s the fetish itself that makes some isolate themselves or withdraw, but the realization that they have something that society doesn’t accept and the feeling that they are different. Forgive me if I’m repeating what some of you have already said.
 
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Mart, thanks so much for starting this thread. I agree with your analysis completely!
I’ve done research on fetishes over the years and it became obvious to me how little is known about the subject. One thing that really struck me though was the idea that fetishists are by nature shy, withdrawn and incapable of true intimacy in a relationship. Being very outgoing and having had numerous long term relationships, I didn’t fit that profile at all. Well anyway, I disagreed with that idea when I read it and it was reinforced after I found this site. I’ve read through numerous posts and discussions and reached the conclusion long ago that we are as “normal” as the general population. We just happen to have this kink. I don’t think it’s the fetish itself that makes some isolate themselves or withdraw, but the realization that they have something that society doesn’t accept and the feeling that they are different. Forgive me if I’m repeating what some of you have already said.

A few years ago, my marriage ended and I went through a very difficult time. For the first time in my life, I learned what depression really is. Of course, I sought help and I learned so much about myself and the choices I’ve made in life. Over time I was even able to discuss my fetish. My therapist was extremely understanding and supportive. I learned that they are far more common than people think. (She even had patients in the past with fetishes). One thing that made me very hopeful is that there is a growing belief in the psych community that these things are a natural part of human sexuality and they should be embraced not rejected. Maybe that’s the beginning of acceptance in the world at large?
I can only agree with you on all this. I too, am really not a shy or secretive type in general. But I am in teaching, and any kind of public outing or expression of a fetish would be vocational suicide, even if you have never touched or harassed anyone. My belief is that this is also a quite justified situation - when you are in education, you cannot allow ethical standards to drop because of something that is really your own private concern.
 
First period of abstinence – preparing for the next

Well, the idea was to shut down the system for planning and reconnaissance. A bit like trying to find out why something old and dependable is no longer working, like the city electric or water supply. The symptoms are clear, one may even have discovered the location of the problem, but now it needs to be opened up and some on-the-spot investigation done.

21 days seemed a good time. Long enough to get a fair idea and not so long as to be unmanageable. There was clearly no pressure to stick with it afterwards, not fall back in to old habits, or anything like that. It was simply to find out how the land lay.

It proved to be a lot easier than I had at first expected. For the first 10 days, I went into the mountains in amongst the snow, with lots of walks, but a good Internet connection, far away from people I normally associate with.

Just as the gradual development of the fetish has been based on autosuggestion, so, I guess, must any change to the fetish be. And so there are 3 areas that I have found helpful to gain an overall perspective.

1. Philosophical level – What do I see as the value and meaning of my life?
2. The Psychology: What are the needs and desires of my Self on the one hand, and what, on the other, of the sexual Persona I have created, and his dependency on the fetish?
3. The Drug: the media – videos, pics, stories, that substitute for the real thing.

<b>Personal philosophical questions</B>
<B>Who am I?</B>
What are my hopes, dreams, ideals for my life?
What do I really believe, what do I want from/for myself. What do I intend to do with the rest of my life? What measures do I have to take to develop into the kind of person that can realise these intentions?
In order to achieve clarity on these issues, some time and a practice of introspection are required, as well as a kind of system of inwardly recording the various steps and conclusions and building on them.

<B>How are my human relationships?</B>
What is the kind of relationship I want to have with other people? What can I do for them, what do I expect from them? This particularly affects relationships in the workplace, where, if you want relationships that are meaningful, where you are working towards common social, philosophical or political goals, a reputation as a wolf is hardly a sound foundation.
And if you place some emphasis on truth and reality, secretly wanting to tickle or get into the pants of some colleague does tend to cloud other issues as well.

<b>What is my impact on the world?</b>
What trace would I like my life to leave behind me? What is the meaning of the work I do, the relationships I cultivate; what I say, what I think, what I write - on the greater whole? What kind of society do I want to live in? What do I have to do to make this effective and real?
Specifically, how much time, money, attention and energy does devotion to a fetish take from realising all the above?
Going public with a fetish, starting a small tickling media venture, trying to compete within a growing porn market is a choice one can make. It will certainly affect every other aspect of one’s life. If I become a public tickling media producer, my chances of holding down the chair in Princeton’s Department of Philosophy are fairly slim.

So, in view of the above, an effort to <i>autosuggest</i> to myself a lifestyle that does not include fantasies of tickling (because the real thing is increasingly out of reach) is definitely an option that I cannot avoid.

<b>The Psychology:</b>
This follows on directly. When I have come to some clarity about who I am and what my inner priorities are, I can begin to assess that which is Not-I. And that includes the sexual persona I have created over years of relieving sexual desire through fetish fantasies.

I have given this sexual persona, as discussed earlier in this thread, the identity and content he has through an interchange between what works in masturbation or sex and what I observe in the world around. It has only a limited amount to do with the rest of my life and identity, being thrust into the nether regions of secrecy, reclusivness and the hours after work.

I have observed on myself quite conclusively that there is a big difference between physical desire for sexual gratification, and a mental desire to gratify this sexual persona, which has its own needs, rhythms and desires. Trying simply to deny it what it wants leads only to a greater desire. But the life of this persona exists within the subconscious, and when this subconscious begins to be drawn increasingly into consciousness through insight, I have noticed some changes here too.

In the first place, I can tell the difference between a physical desire for masturbation or sex and a mental one by one fairly simple yardstick. If I have real physical desire, which, at my age is definitely not all the time, and increases greatly when not active for some time – the longer, the greater the desire – then I do not have to think about what particular woman or fantasy to use. They are practically waiting in line.

If, however, I feel like sex or masturbating, and I have to look through photographs, videos, read stories, and then begin somewhere, and gradually work up enough real desire to lead to orgasm, then the need is clearly mental. Not to wank off is always an option provided you can sleep well and you can rest secure in the knowledge that desire will increase next day.

The problem is the feeling of sexual inadequacy that results from a lack of desire – I guess the bottom line for the development of Viagra. We men no longer seem able to live with a diminished desire for sex, being in a kind of high performance mindset. And it the idea that this self-imposed pressure is due to the need to satisfy the women in one’s life is an illusion. It is due to the need to gratify the one’s own, independent sexual persona.

This kind of clarity makes one able far more easily to say, “Well actually I don’t really feel like wanking tonight – may as well just put it off.” And then there is also no longer such a resistance to the gaps becoming longer – or very long…

<b>The Drug</B>
Clearly a man strongly dominated by his fetish tries to build up his sexual persona around this. He creates a whole world in which this persona can exist – a little like www.secondlife.com. The Internet has provided such an environment, which previously had to be laboriously accumulated through saving the odd picture in a magazine, photos of desirable women, videos of movies with tickling or fetish content, porn (a very poor substitute), stories and so on, but basically an internal memory bank in one’s brain in which all this material was stored.

Now there is all this stuff out there – thousands of photos of models, celebs and girls next door in various aspects and states of undress, videos of every description, specific stories and magazines and platforms like this forum and chatroom. Apart from those people who actually meet, go to gatherings and really tickle each other, all the rest is virtual content about which members can masturbate or hump. In other word, a substitute through which we can escape into the world of our dreams. And it can work so well…

But this makes it all the virtual equivalent of any drug on the market that provides the same service. In this sense the addicted fetishist is no different to the alcoholic. As long as the personal circumstances of the alcoholic, or other addict, for that matter, don’t damage the rest of his life – he has sufficient money, his family does not suffer beyond endurance, people do not notice the addiction too publicly, everything goes on just fine. But when the outer circumstances no longer sustain the habit, his job becomes precarious, there is increasing violent argument, feeling of self-loathing and so on, then things break down and the person has to go to some re-hab or watch their life fall apart. With a fetish like tickling, it all not quite so dramatic, but the comparison is apt nonetheless.

So when I find myself spending more money than I can afford on videos, look back at 3 o’clock in the morning on 7 hours spent on the internet indulging my fetish fantasies and looking for more material to add to my voluminous collection, catch myself thinking about tickling this or that co-worker or student’s feet when I should be concentrating on the person and the job in hand – I have a drug problem.

<b>Conclusion</b>
The three weeks of abstinence were, to my mind, a success. I kept to it, I gained some insight and the will to prepare the next period of abstinence – this time for 40 days – six weeks instead of three. After that, we shall see further.

My commiseration with anyone desperate enough wade their way through the long passage to this stage. Keep you posted…
 
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Every once in a while a question or article appears here trying to explain or trying to find a way to overcome, the tickling fetish. Why should we attempt anything so absurd? And how?

In this article I have tried to express both how and what could lead one to not want to be dependent on something so superficially harmless and fun. Hope I don’t upset anyone’s feelings, or be seen to be trying to preach. My focus is more on a kind of phenomenological analysis of the issue than trying to tell anyone what they should do. And be warned, it is also rather long.

I have written specifically from a male point of view. I cannot make judgements about female fetishism, but am happy to hear if any of this holds true as well.

<B>Definitions</B> (mine):
A fetish is an activity, situation, object or body part, the thought or carrying out of which substitutes for the activity or thought of the potential sexual partner, the sex act itself or those organs normally associated with sex such as breasts, penis, vulva etc.

A fetishist is someone who is aroused by the thought of a body part, action or object other than the thought of the sex act or sexual organs, or the thought of the sexual partner, and substitutes this in place of those corresponding directly with the sex act or the direct relationship with the sexual partner. (Even if the sex act, as in a majority of cases, forms a part of the process of achieving orgasm.)

I am aware that these definitions are a little narrower than is generally accepted, but I believe they apply to many people who are deeply entrenched in their own fetish.

How does such a fetish start, develop from early fascination through to a gradual addiction? Where do we draw the lines between kinkiness and perversion, between social integration and a sexuality that is isolated in itself, independent of any physical partner? And most of all, what happens as the years go by and the person develops a dual personality – a normal self that functions in the world, and a second persona that comes out at night (or day) when for a period of several hours preoccupation with the fetish determines what rules the person’s life, how he spends his money and time, what occupies his attention?

I have called the stages of development:
1. Fascination and Exploration
2. Fantasising and Interchange (with the process of masturbation)
3. Fixation and Integration (into personal life circumstances)
4. Addiction and Isolation
5. Disillusionment and either Transformation or Decadence.

Most people will agree that a fetish develops in childhood – sometimes early childhood – out of a kind of fascination with an activity, body part or object. We could call this the period of <b>fascination and exploration.</b> An action like spanking or tickling is explored in random circumstances, or an object poses an irresistible attraction. Experimentation is non-committal, the interest both in the object and in the corresponding inner reaction. But it is more as a phenomenon itself that is explored, without the purpose of arousal.

The second stage is reached with puberty, when physical sexual desire leads to masturbation, and the intensity of arousal and ensuing orgasm are found to be related to fantasies of the fetish. Now begins a time that we can call <b>fantasising and interchange,</b> where we explore details of our fantasy, particular words, exact moments or circumstances that arouse desire. The fantasies are repeated endlessly, the fetish takes on an individual and exact form.

Gradually this leads to changes in behaviour. We live out this or that fantasy, begin to apply it to relationships with a partner, spend money on accessories, develop a hidden or open second life with serves the fetish. This period we could name the time of <b>fixation and integration</b> – the fetish becomes fixed and formed, and it is integrated into ones life, possible marriage, and circumstances.

But he fixation becomes increasingly one-sided, affecting one’s sex life, relationship with one’s partner and so on. It begins to become dominant in determining ones life choices, can become expensive and increasingly divorced from outer realities. This shows all the classical symptoms of <b>addiction and isolation.</b>

As the person grows older, what was an understandable, often harmless and fun kinkiness can begin to affect reputation, lead to instances where behaviour can be seen as harassment, break down marriage relations, and lead to overspending, secretiveness, unexplained absences and so on. It is merely a matter of time before either the person himself becomes aware of this, or it is brought to his attention by society – and could lead from social ostracism to job loss right through to criminal charges.

Now begins a time of reflection, one that we can call <b>disillusionment and either transformation or decadence,</b> where some tough decisions have to be taken. The nature of this reflection depends on the kind of person we are – i.e. do we tend to accept that circumstances have made us the way we are, and allow things to take their course? Or do we feel we are personally responsible and can decide to bring about the changes we would like to see?

Here we are haunted by the results of the time of fantasising and interchange. It is the key period in which the fetish developed its final form.

For sexual stimulation comes from two different sources. One is from <b>physical desire</b> or plain horniness. And the other through <b>sense impressions</b> (a beautiful woman, man, a piece of underwear hanging on the line - whatever) and the thoughts and fantasies arising through them (a woman’s feet, someone being spanked or tickled, soft silkiness, etc.) It soon takes very little to trigger off this more <b>mental/emotional stimulus,</b> which arouses the desire for physical gratification. This happens even when the innate physical desire is absent; we are still sore from last night’s shenanigans and so on.

Soon the mere memory or sudden mental image of a sense impression is enough to arouse desire and consequently we become both mentally and physically dependent on the fetish for our sexual gratification. Later in life, when actual physical desire wanes, there is still an emotional need for sexual stimulation and fulfilment, as it has become part of our self-image as males. We may have little actual physical desire, but the mental need for sex or masturbation and preoccupation with the fetish drives us on.

So what to do?

How to we transform this if we do not like it? How do we change behaviour?

To me, a change in basic behavioural patterns is not unlike the renovation of a house or some public works system (roads, drainage, electric). The first step is to shut down the system so that an investigation can be made and a plan of action worked out. (If, that is, one has not decided to immediately go the route of therapy). This shutting down of the system needs preparation and planning in order to be effective.

You could choose a time when you are not in the middle of every other normal routine surrounding you and decide, for the next 21 days that no sexual activity or masturbation will take place. Instead, spend some time each day reflecting on the nature of your fetish, look back on its origins, the course of its development, its main effects on your life. Become clear about what is physical desire and mental/emotional need. After about 10 – 30 minutes, go about the rest of your life. As thoughts about the fetish will only make the process worse, they take on a very minor role during this period.

One of the first things we become aware of is how difficult it is to let go of the emotional need for sexual gratification. Take any Viagra advert. It does not address the physical desire for sex, promising a permanent erection. No, they appeal to your male image as being able to satisfy your woman – perhaps several at once, to stay young and so on. Their success clearly illustrates that the self-image as a stud of the modern male is reliant upon continued sexual activity. A whole system of values, routine and habits ties us into this pattern

So we investigate for ourselves how much actual physical desire for sex has remained. It is a process many women have to go through all over the world as a matter of course as they leave menopause, and often male company, behind them.

The second thing we need to experiment with is whether, if we are denied gratification for any extended period, starting with a few weeks, the desire gradually increases or begins to wane?

On the basis of such personal investigation, we can make choices for our life ahead.

If we decide on transformation, what form is this to take? Like habitual smoking or eating, some plan with a chance of success needs to be clear, like further extended periods of abstinence, perhaps lengthening the duration each time.

But above all, the values that have driven us need to be replaced. All that time spent preoccupied with one’s fetish, the money spent on accessories and audio-visual material, and so on, chatting on forums like this, trying to find like-minded people…

Dude, you sound like a professional psychologist or something and a lot of what you said makes sense to me but, here's A peculiar part that really grabbed me early on "...irresistible attraction."

That really seemed to click in to place with me and it's been that way since I was very young as though a spell had been cast over me.

Sometimes it's absolute torture and other times it just serves as a convenient fantasy to help get to sleep when I'm feeling too anxious to sleep.

It's not all that bad any more unless I'm so bored with everything else that I begin to focus on the fetish and the next thing I know, I'm reading and downloading like it's the last day of my life!

Eventually (I HATE myself for bringing this up!) I exhaust or just grow board from over-indulging the fetish and slip in to a state of depression and begin to question whether or not, I should keep the fetish-related stuff I've stocked up on.

I used to delete my stuff when I felt this way and it made me feel better for a while like I had been freed of some burden but, eventually, I'd always come back to it and the whole cycle would repeat itself.

Now I don't even bother trying to "purge" or whatever. I mean, what's the point if I'm just going to come back to reclaim it all?

I may as well, face it; even if I know how to control it and am good at controlling the urges, I'm still a slave to my fetish in one way or another.

I may as well just try to live with it and only indulge it when I feel that I have time for it so, that it doesn't get in the way of the more important parts of my life.


Thank you for this interesting post. It helped me to admit some things to myself that I've previously been avoiding.

I feel pretty okay now and it's a pretty day too. Not a cloud in the sky! Think I might take a walk when it warms up.:ty:
 
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this may sound dumb, but is it really possible to give up a fetish? i mean come on now, i know with me, its part of who i am... it isnt WHO i am, but its a part of me... and theres worse things that I could be into... thats just my opinion.
 
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