Why Clip4sale?

There many other clips site, why only clip4sale gets the forum?

I hate that site and their prude morality police.

I only know of clips4sale and I love it. I remember when it was unorganized but now I can find pretty much anything I want. Do you know of any other clip stores? Please share.

Of course I would come back and tell you why if you ask. There are other sites (kinkbomb.com, clipvia.com, etc) ..

ScorpionKing said:

I only know of clips4sale and I love it. I remember when it was unorganized but now I can find pretty much anything I want. Do you know of any other clip stores? Please share.

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I used to "love" it and always bought the clips from c4s, but they pissed me off recently, and I am never buying any clip from that site again. Now if I want a clip I will always go to their competitor, or, if there is no other option, contact the seller/studio directly and arrange alternative payment.

My message to any studio that have clips on C4S: Do you want my money? (and I do spend it), don't only post your clips to C4S. I am not giving my money to them again (try other sites, http://www.kinkbomb.com/, http://clipvia.com/, etc).

The reason is pretty simple. They have prude morality police as staff working on the site. One of them went through a bunch of clips posted by three studios (religious/blasphemous fetish clips) and deleted them. I explained to them (given C4S is US site) that the clips that she deleted are not illegal in the US. On the contrary they are protected speech under the US constitution. The US Supreme Court in Joseph Burstyn, Inc v. Wilson, 343 U.S. 495 (1952) held that ""It is not the business of government in our nation to suppress real or imagined attacks upon a particular religious doctrine, whether they appear in publications, speeches or motion pictures." See the Supreme Court decision: http://supreme.justia.com/us/343/495/case.html


Besides, the clips were not "hate speech" They were fetish clips. Yes there are weird fetishes in the world, but so what?

Her responses to reasoned arguments like that usually were just one liners like this "... with regard to the clips in question they will remain off the C4S website."

I then mentioned to her that there are several other blasphemy fetish clips (christian ones, she deleted some Muslim ones, but fortunately not all .. she missed some) still on the site. Double standard? She wanted me to give her the store numbers so "she could review them too". Why the heck would I want her to "review" more clips that she can consider for deletion? I wanted her to get lost and stop imposing her prude morality on what I can buy and watch. Not fucking "review" more stores for me.

If anyone is offended by something, don't fucking click on "buy" botton and don't watch it. It's that simple. Stop fucking imposing your morality on what I can buy (especially when the content is not illegal and protected under the US constitution).

Gosh I am pissed.

Well, it may not be a morality issue. Most likely it's just a simple fact that the porn/fetish industry is possibly the most diverse industry in the world. The customers come from all over the world, all walks of life etc. C4S probably doesn't want a potential customer seeing something like a racist "fetish" clip then deciding not to come back to the site. The customer may understand it's just a fetish, BUT I think the risk is probably too high for the company. It makes perfect sense to me.

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Well, it may not be a morality issue. Most likely it's just a simple fact that the porn/fetish industry is possibly the most diverse industry in the world. The customers come from all over the world, all walks of life etc. C4S probably doesn't want a potential customer seeing something like a racist "fetish" clip then deciding not to come back to the site. The customer may understand it's just a fetish, BUT I think the risk is probably too high for the company. It makes perfect sense to me.

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It works both ways. I am not going back to C4S either because they "offended" me. I understand someone complained, but they could have just said "We don't monitor individual studios, as long as the content is not illegal. Please don't buy clips from any studio that uploads material offensive to you." That would have satisfied the complainer.

A few points to consider:

(1) C4S website is already blocked in most Muslim countries. Those countries would be "offended" by any porn, even tickling.

(2) Everyone is offended by something. You can't make rules using that as a criteria. If you do, you will be left with nothing.

(3) Most people visiting that site understand that C4S just hosts various studios. If someone is offended by a clip, they should just boycott the studio. C4S can even tell them to boycott the offending studio. No problem.

(4) If a clip is not illegal in the US (illegal material would include underage porn, real or fictional, and some other very obscene material - like consuming scat, animals, rape, copyright material, etc) don't delete it. Their only task should be to make sure nothing illegal is posted. That's it. Forget about imposing morality or bowing to easily offended individuals.

Lastly, I see C4S banner above that says #1 downloadable clip site on the net. It would be better for both the studios (the girls who make the clips) and buyers if it was just one of various downloadable site. Competition is always good for consumers.

Looks like http://clipvia.com/ apparently offers better rates to studios.

I asked clipvia the same question

https://clipvia.tenderapp.com/discussions/questions/36-whats-the-policy-on-offensive-but-legal-clips

and got saner response

I've never had an issue with C4S. I will take a look at the others but C4S has been good to me.

I guess what I'm saying is if you have a product that is legal, but if you sell it and 10 out of 100 people want it, but 80 out of 100 say it offends them and they walk away from your product then why would you sell it? From a fiscal standpoint it doesn't make sense. For example, there was a Japanese based costume company that sold nazi uniforms. Well they determined that although it was legal to sell them they'd rather pull the product. Logically think about how many people are going to let their kids dress up like the Gustapo for halloween vs the amount of angry letters claiming "i'm never buying from you again?" Legality, I think, is just a side point. It's about $.

I wonder if some more popular righting bloggers would be interested in the fact that on c4s you can shred the bible but not the quran. That's the kind of double standard that they love to whine about, but I am not sure if that would be beneficial to my cause. I am still considering next step.

Ahh. Well I didn't know they were pulling a double standard. Then yes I can see what you mean.

Well, a little progress. The owner of clips4sale (Neil) hinted he would talk to his partner and put the clips back.

I will pass this on to my partner and if they feel ok with it we will just put them back.....honestly to me I really dont care.....they do not offend me....nothing really does and if someone is watching porn they most likey will not bother with it.

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so before I do anything more radical (like go to more popular mainstream righting bloggers -- something I really don't want to do ---) I will wait to see where this goes.

Looks like my problem with clip4sale is over They asked the studio the clips can be uploaded again.

Thanks for letting me vent on this forum .. I needed a place to vent