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10-09-2001, 12:49 PM
who in your guys opinion is the coolest/best/favorite villain,no limits here,i`m talkin movies,comic books..etc,
10-09-2001, 02:41 PM
I like the origonal Green Goblin from Spider-Man. Norman Osborn is the greatest, but what would you expect from Stan "THE MAN" Lee.
10-09-2001, 06:21 PM
#1 me #2pre-crisis Lex Luthor #3 Black Adam-from Shazam Marvel villians #1 the Rhino #2 the Scorpion #3 the Vulture #4 the Abomination
DIE SON OF JOR-EL!!!!!
10-09-2001, 06:39 PM
SlaverT-- Green Goblin WAS a classic villian back in the day. He used to be my favorite. The thing that pisses me off about the upcoming Spider-Man movie is that his girlfriend will be Mary Jane. Any Marvel fan knows that Spidey's original girl was Gwendolyn Stacy, who was murdered by, yes, the original Green Goblin. This new movie is going to be way off the original base, and although I'm sure the special effects will be awesome, I feel a WallStradamus prediction coming up: After they cover his origin with the spider bite the movie will suck.
Green Goblin also was the first villian to unmask Spider-Man, I have both issues of the 2 part story, unfortunately not in mint condition.
After Spider-man kills the original Goblin (Norman Osborne) they cheapened the chain by first having his son Harry become the Goblin, then in later issues Harry's shrink becomes the Goblin. The final kick in the Goblin's face is this new movie.
I feel the pre-ennial Spidey villian is Dr. Octopus. Much like the Goblin, there is seriuos story lines that take place with Doc Ock almost marrying Aunt May.
Any villian who was portrayed on the original Batman with Adam West is automatically a classic villian. Did you ever see the episode when the Joker gets paroled from jail and he's wearing a regular suit and he STILL has the paint on his face?
10-09-2001, 07:06 PM
movies always do seem to ruin the story some how,thats why marvel is doing a 5 part series to explain wolverine`s origin.........as for villains: DARTH VADER,i wish i had jedi mojo...
10-09-2001, 08:49 PM
Gotta go with drunkenmstr on Darth Vader. How would you like to work for this guy? Whenever one of his officers screwed up, he would kill them. If that wasn't bad enough, he would promote another officer, who just happened to watch Vader drop the guy he is now replacing.I have to put in an honorable mention for Blade's Deacon Frost. He may have been the coolest villain I ever saw. Evil as all hell but cool. Even his name was cool. If I had to be a nasty, undead, blood sucking nosferatu I would want to be just like Deacon Frost.
10-09-2001, 09:26 PM
I'll go for the Surgeon General of 'Give me Liberty' (by Gibbons/Miller). Close second is Mr. Gone from 'The Maxx'. The Joker is, of course, a classic. In literature, the Dryden-Family, or their company Dryco, is probably the nastiest groupd of 'villains' ever, to be found in Jack Womack's fantastic 'Ambient' cycle. In movies, Satan takes the price, the way he's portrayed in Hal Hartley's wonderfully quirky short movie 'Book of Life'. Oh, and last but not least, there's 'Stone' from Pinnacle's RPG's 'Deadlands' and 'Hell on Earth', who is simply hellacool.
10-09-2001, 09:51 PM
1. Darth Vader 2. Kahn (Star Trek II) 3. Q (Star Trek:The Next Generation) although he's more of a pain in the ass 4. The Suliban the alien race on 'Enterprise' are pretty cool villians as well.
Hands down my favorite villian is Two-Face. Two-Face is a modern day Jekyll & Hyde. He is a fleshed out image of what people are. A dichotomy of order and chaos. "It is as if only a sheer curtain seperates the two. Given the right lure, at the right moment, aimed at the right weakness, there is not a person alive who wouldn't pull back his curtain and live out his vilest fantasy."
Shem the Penman
10-10-2001, 08:29 AM
For all that I'm not a Fantastic Four fan, Doctor Doom has to make anyone's short list of best villains. Not just for his sheer power and all-encompassing knowledge, but because he's got STYLE. Who else could pull off that clunky gray armor and green cloak look without looking stupid?
Speaking of the FF, the Four from Planetary are pretty scary, both in their power and their arrogance. It's been a long time since I ever believed a villain was unstoppable, but I believe it of them.
Other notables: Tyrion Lannister from George R. R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series, Doc Savage's nemesis John Sunlight, Uriah Heep of David Copperfield, Rupert von Hentzau from The Prisoner of Zenda, George MacDonald Fraser's Sir Harry Flashman, the Dominator from Glen Cook's "Black Company" series (gotta appreciate a guy who can scare his enemies shitless even when he's dead), the Mayor from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Triple H (at least from late 1999 to 2000), Shakespeare's Iago and Richard III ... I could probably go on all day.
10-10-2001, 11:34 AM
The ultimate villain had to be Professor James Moriarty, Sherlock Holmes' nemesis and the Napoleon of Crime. I altered his name a bit to get my screenname.
The Professor was such a criminal mastermind that he was able to gain control of the underworld of London without anyone even finding out until Holmes tracked him down. The great detective was so concerned about the Professor that he risked and almost lost his own life in their struggle on the edge of Reichenbach Falls in "The Final Problem." In their time, their battle of wits was a riveting as any of the superhero fights we are more familair with today.
If you're interested, here's a link that will let you read "The Final Problem" online. http://www.sherlockian.net/canon/stories/fina.html Who says this forum isn't educational?
By the way, I suspect Holmes may have been a closet tickler. One of his most famous quotes is "Watson, the game is afoot." Sounds like Victorian tickling code to me, since, to many of us, the game is, indeed, a foot.
10-10-2001, 01:13 PM
My favorite villian would have to be Dr. Pretorious from the 1935 film "Bride of Frankenstein."
10-10-2001, 03:32 PM
Darth Vader is the man! Other good ones are Heihachi Mishima (Tekken), Dr. Doom, The Violator, Venom (before he turned half-good), and Bolo (Enter the Dragon).
P.S. Hey Shem, good to see another Martin fan in here! Tyrion's cool, but I prefer his brother Jaime. Nothing like one of the realm's greatest knights being a regicide and attempted child-defenestrator... all whilst carrying on an incestuous relationship with his sister. Of course, Sandor Clegane could kick his ass in a fight! (Even BEFORE the hand thing)
10-10-2001, 07:11 PM
Darth Vader is pretty awsome, but did anyone notice in Empire Strikes Back that Boba Fett showed no fear of the dark Lord of the Seth. Thats because the bounty hunter eats Jedi'd for breackfeast. In the Han Solo Trilagy even the Hutts were afraid of him. He's the badest man in the Galaxy. I dought he even feared the Emperor.
As for Gwen Stacy, I think she was Peter's first love, but betty Brant was his first girlfriend. Im sort of obssesed with Gwendy, and buy most stuff with her in it. The Maximum Clonage story realy messed up the Spidy-vers. I don't think Harry as the Goblin was so bad, he did die a hero in Spectacular Spider-Man 200 (my last Spider-man Comic), I felt the "return" of Norman did more to cheapin the charactore.
My short list would be:
1) Green Goblin
2) Kahn (Recardo rocks)
3) Boba Fett
4) Dooms Day (I hate Superman)
5)-tie- Dr. Doom & Magneto
Dis-honourable Mention: The Four Horsemen
Nobody kicked more ass then WCW's Four Horsemen. Sure the nWo did it's share of havok but it took 10-15 of them to do what 4 Horsemen did. Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, and whom ever the other two were in each era, controlled the WCW for nearly 10 years. They stomped mud holes into the ass's of every baby-face in the NWA/WCW including Hulk Hogan. They were the baddes thugs in wrestling history...Woooo!
10-10-2001, 07:55 PM
Let's bug DC&Marvel about a supervillian battle I believe DC would kick ass
10-10-2001, 08:03 PM
Marvel is the best. Galactus alone would wipe out every one on both sides. Besides remeber the MarveVSDC limited series, Marvel won thet one.
10-10-2001, 09:55 PM
hmmmmm..........well, I'm seein a lot of comic bad guys......but, I think I've got a villan that no one's even thought about........
.......sephiroth from FFVII is, in my opinion, the coolest psycho villan I've seen in a bit.......he reminds me of vicious from cowboy bebop mixed with the bad guy from the crow..........he rocks........
10-10-2001, 10:10 PM
Longshanks - King Edward I
Played by Patrick McGoohan in the Movie BraveHeart.
10-10-2001, 10:11 PM
asutickler throws in heihchi mishima,good call
10-10-2001, 10:23 PM
SlaverTickler, It slipped my mind. Boba Fett is one Hardcore individual. He didn't fear the Dark Lord and even got in his face on some issues.
10-12-2001, 07:19 AM
I really hope this doesent make me sound old, but My favorite villan has to be Max Von Sydow as the Ming the Merciless from the old FLASH GORDON movie. Yes, thats right-the one with the QUEEN soundtrack!!
-please, no flames.
10-12-2001, 11:38 AM
You are all missing the greatest villain of all time: THE JOKER!!! Scarecrow and Two-Face are close runners up for the best Bat-Villain. Over at Marvel, the best villain is probably Ultron. I also think Magneto and Doctor Doom are great "noble" villains, and Bullseye is just one sadistic SOB. On the silver screen, you can't forget about Hannibal Lector, and on the small screen, my all-time favorite villain is The Dirtiest Player in the Game, "The Nature Boy" Ric Flair. WHOOOOOOOO!!!
10-12-2001, 11:48 AM
Villains are pretty one-dimensional. I find it hard to suspend disbelief of a character who engages in villainous laughter. He might as well be wearing a sandwich board that says, "BAD GUY". However, if I have to choose:
Ming the Merciless from the original Flash Gordon serials of the 1930's.
Honorable mention to a character that Mel Brooks based on Ming in the "Get Smart" spy-spoof of the 60's ("NO! Not CRAW! I'm the CRAW!) (That makes sense if you've ever seen the show. It sometimes runs on the TVLand cable channel, if anyone is interested.)
10-12-2001, 05:08 PM
Cactus John-- You obviously didn't read my post. I was the first to mention the JOKER. Of course I'm referring to the Ceaser Romero interpretation. The best episode is when the Joker has his own utility belt with the joker face on it.
Smasher2000-- "Gordon's alive??!!" Classic stuff.
Asutickler-- "You will fight Bolo" That guy was pretty muscular for a chinaman.
I think Ric Flair was more of an anti-hero than a villian. He had more supporters than haters.
10-12-2001, 05:40 PM
So many terrific villains... Well, in no particular order, Goldfinger, Xenia Onatopp (can you tell I love Bond? And Famke MUST have those lovely large feet tickled!), Magneto, Khan, and Evil Ash from AOD. The number one villain I thought SURELY would appear here is: The Joker! Doesn't really tickle a lot, but he's the one I'd always dream about being when tickling comic lasses. Now, I'll retire to my nerd activites. ;-)
10-14-2001, 02:38 AM
Without a doubt, Mister Freeze. Note that I'm specifically referring to the animated one written by Paul Dini and voiced by Michael Ansara, NOT the live-action Arnold Schwarzenegger version. I think he's got the best motivation I've ever seen for a villain: "The one good, pure, and decent thing in my world has been ripped away from me; and I no longer care what I have to do or who I happen to hurt in order to bring her back." He lashes out at the world out of grief and rage, unable to face the fact that his wife's death was ultimately his own fault. That's some powerfully emotional tragedy. I absolutely adore his line in the Mister Freeze one-shot that was released around the time of the last Bat-movie, where he says of his abusive childhood: "I knew then that I was destined to live outside humanity, a lonely observer in a world whose warmth would never touch me." (That pretty much sums up my love life...:() Later, when we see him meeting Nora, falling in love with her, and being happy for the first time in his life, you get a full sense of what he's lost and you almost forgive him for putting on the refrigerated armor and seeking vengeance.
My second favorite would be Grand Admiral Thrawn from Timothy Zahn's Star Wars novels, Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, and The Last Command. He's like the Hannibal Lecter of the Star Wars universe: So clever, so cunning, and so insightful that he brings half the Galaxy to its knees without leaving his command chair. He out-thinks and out-maneuvers the heroes at every turn even though he never even meets them face to face. Unlike all the villains in the Star Wars novels and comics that followed, he didn't need another implausibly big planet-cracking superweapon to top the Death Star, he simply used lost pre-Empire technology like Cloaking Devices and Cloning in breathtakingly new and inventive combinations. Also, he was a much more rounded character than most Star Wars villains due to his love of art, which gave him a class, style, and sophistication sorely lacking in Fett, the Emperor and their ilk. I could easily see him played by Sir Anthony Hopkins, Patrick McGoohan, or Sam Niell in a movie version.
10-14-2001, 02:20 PM
MadK-- Mr. Freeze, like all other villians portrayed on the Adam West series, is automatically classic. From the TV series there is a great episode where they are in Freeze's lair and he has a box in his hand that lights up certain parts of the room. It's normal temperature inside the light and freezing everywhere else. The comedy comes in when Freeze's gun fails to work and Batman says "We took the precaution of wearing our thermal bat-scivvies".
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Dark Helmet from the movie Spaceballs was also a great comedic villian. "Go to ludicrous speed".
10-14-2001, 02:34 PM
I concur with your comments on Grand Admiral Thrawn. I never forget only being halfway through the first book in the series and beginning to think the Emperor & Lord Vader were incompetents in comparison to him.
10-14-2001, 06:08 PM
How about Boris Badenuv? from Rocky&Bullwinkle
10-14-2001, 09:35 PM
hell yeah wallstreet,dark helmet was great!
10-14-2001, 10:19 PM
I can think of at least two. One of my favorite villains would have to be Lord Soth from the Dragonlance saga. Also, I'd have to agree with Everlast that Sephiroth was one of the most evil villains I've ever seen (although I like Kefka from Final Fantasy VI, better!).
10-14-2001, 11:32 PM
MadKalnod - have you read any of his other work besides the Star Wars books? Some very good stuff there. Interesting guy too (I've known him and his lovely Anna for 15 years.)
10-15-2001, 01:27 AM
Yoko Ono, for her role in causing the breakup of the Beatles. (Not to mention Mark David Chapman, of course.)
10-16-2001, 03:13 PM
Kane, from Highlander3, played with enthusiasm by the omni-talented Mario Van Peebles. I choose this villain 'coz he's based on an old AD&D character of mine...Even has the same name.
10-16-2001, 05:31 PM
tkrexx- Kane was a good Highlander villian, but movie wise I'd say The Kurgan was much better. The scene where he rips the old man out of the car and looks at the old lady saying "Mom" is classic.
The TV Highlander Duncan MacCloud had some classic villians as well. The immortal Kalos was basically his arch enemy for the duration of the series, but Cronos was definitely evil.
Let's not forget Escape from NY's Duke of NY. "You're the Duke of New York, you're A-number1"
SmileyTkls-- how could you mention Bond villians without mentioning Odd Job and Jaws!
10-16-2001, 09:02 PM
Anything with Jack Nicholson...also anyone see John Malkovich in "In the Line of Fire"?
One of the best screen villains in the history of film. :)
10-17-2001, 10:42 PM
How could I have forgotten him? Robert Norman's performance of the role, in the 1950 Disney version of "Treasure Island", was definitive. Even those who haven't seen the movie have heard others imitate his English Pirate Brogue:
"... Lord love me, lad. Don't you know that them that sailed with Admiral 'Awrke 'ad no speakin' acquaintance with pirates ... 'less'n they boarded us! Ah-hahahahah. Arrr, Jim, you're the spit 'n' image o' me when I was your age. 'Ead full o' pirates. But ye'll find, same as I, that the biggest satisfaction a man gets is doin' 'is duty."
Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum,
10-21-2001, 11:39 PM
What makes a really good villain is what motivates him or her to be the person they are.
Mr. Freeze and Ra's Al Ghul and the Joker from the original Batman Animated Series.
Mr. Freeze because he is the true definition of the "tragic villain." Despite that he is completely off his rocker you do feel sorry for him and almost which he could win.
Ra's Al Ghul is the true thinker villain and perfect foil to play against Batman. He's extremely selfish and interested in only increasing his own power over everyone around him. He's dangerous and smart but his own ego blinds him from the reality of most situations.
The Joker, what can I say he's a complete psychopath. Seemingly his own goal is his own amusement and to make Batman see the humor in his sick jokes. The two characters are so intertwined you almost cannot have one without the other.
For humor value - Dr. Evil of course.
Of personal villains I created I think one for a fantasy game which I kept a running history of is Daska, a Dark Elf.
and from Neverwhere Croupe and Vandemar (appologies for butchering any spellings Mr. Gaiman)
10-23-2001, 07:48 AM
By far, the greatest villian (if you can consider him that) is the Saint of Killers from the 'Preacher' series. He shot and killed Satan AND God. Don't get more badass than that.
08-14-2003, 02:29 AM
He is awesome!:devil:
08-14-2003, 07:04 AM
My favorite villain would have to be Terry Silver in "Karate Kid 3". This guy was just SO sadistic.
"I want him to suffer and suffer and suffer......and then the PAIN is going to start!"
08-14-2003, 07:19 PM
ummm one of my favorite villians is Helena Cassadine from General Hospital=not a typical villian since its a soap opera but i also like The Joker and Lex Luthor (either the movies or Smallville...although its interesting to see what makes Lex so dangerous to Clark and him not realizing it yet)....Magneto was an interesting sociopath too
08-14-2003, 08:02 PM
My favorite villain of all time?
some of you have already said it, but I'll repeat:
Khan. His Ahab-like obsession with hunting down James Tiberius Kirk is so amazingly portrayed by Ricardo Montalban... "Good bye, Kirk. From Hell's Hot, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!" (Star Trek II, paraphrasing Herman Mellville)
I watched an old re-run of Fantasy Island the other day, and was laughing insanely because here was Khan granting Sonny Bono's Fantasy!! It was trippy!
Follpwing are, in no partickler (sic) order:
Biff Tannen form Back to the Future. True, he's a little too dumb to be considered a villain, but it's so releiving to see him lose! "Now why don't you make like a tree, and get outta here?"
Darth Vader, all the way. Remember 1977, seeing him for the first time, stepping over dead rebels like they were simply rubble from his Star Destroyer's barrage against the Correllian Corvette Tantive IV? (I am a Star Wars geek, thank you) "I find your lack of faith disturbing.."
The Borg. One by one, they were some pretty imposing dudes. But as a whole, they were the most devastating civilization in the galaxy! Their desire to rule the Universe sent them through light years, and actual years! AND they were REALLY tough to beat.
The Mad Hatter from Batman... He was just cool.
Satan from "Paradise Lost" (Yeah, that's right! I'm gettin' literary on all ya asses!) Milton portrays Lucifer as a tortured tyrant who, while cunning and evil, tries to persuade us that he's been dealt a losing hand. By the end of the poem, you actually start to feel sorry for Satan... you might call it "Sympathy for the Devil!" :D
Oggie Oglethorpe (PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!! IT'S MY FAVORITE MOVIE!!!!!!)
And last, but certainly not least:
08-14-2003, 08:31 PM
I think my favorite villain would be Xelloss, from the anime Slayers (NEXT, TRY and one of the movies). He's just cool because even though he's ENTIRELY made of evil, he never stops smiling and being friendly.
08-14-2003, 11:53 PM
Too good a question...
From cartoon/comic books Dr Doom is awesome, love Apocalypse, but I say it's (excuse the spelling) Mitzelplik (???) from the Super Friends. He always cracked me up.
From movies I say Khan, but my darkhorse is Gary Oldham from the "Professional", with an honorable mention towards Kevin Spacey in "Seven" and Yul Bryner as Pharoah in "Ten Commandments", "..this is the work of a butcher, not a pharoah!" LOL
08-15-2003, 08:48 AM
cole from the t.v. series charmed, and spike from the t.v. series buffy the vampire slayer.
alas, cole is dead and gone from charmed, and buffy is no more. but spike will be on angel starting this fall!
08-15-2003, 09:05 AM
I'll stay away from the comics, there are too many, and the writer's soul goes into them, even if said writer creates several. I was thinking of posting something along these lines with villian actors, so why not drop it here...
Tim Roth - the quintessential villianous character-actor. His performance as Archibald Cunningham in the Liam Neeson film "Rob Roy" rates as one of my all-time favorites...someone so deadly, callous and just plain evil wrapped in a pastry puff. Perfect. Roth's performance as Thade in the Tim Burton remake of "Planet of the Apes" was the only thing worth watching in that piece of crap. Add to that his role in "Reservoir Dogs" and you've got the makings of this generation's Bela Legosi.
Colm Feore - The caged, cool evil as Andre Linoge in Stephen King's "Storm of the Century". I love watching this film over and over just to see his performance.
Jamie Sheridan - Another villain in a Stephen King project, Sheridan absorbed the role of Randall Flagg. He managed to make funny seem even more evil than brooding. "Pleased to meet you, Lloyd...hope you guess my name..." Gotta love it.
Ian McDiarmad - Bet you thought I was gonna say Darth Vader, didn't you? Vader was simply too cool to make my list of really evil villians. Besides, the whole point of Star Wars was that Vader had good in him all along. But Palpatine? Now there's a villian. A guy who wipes out an age-old order of protectors, sets up a civil war on a galactic scale, sets his own minions against each other, rapes entire populated planets for thier raw materials and builds machines capable of destroying entire worlds...all while maintaining the guise of a beloved old man to most of his population. Oh, and the lightning bolts are pretty awesome, too.
Robert Englund - Freddy Kruger was simply, hands-down, the best slasher-film villian ever. While everyone else was plodding along wordlessly with machetes, chainsaws and power drills, Freddy found time for some pretty cool one-liners. The ratty fedora and ridiculously striped sweater only added to the horror of veiled evil.
I'm sure I'll remember more later, but these are the ones that pop into my head right at the moment.
08-15-2003, 02:51 PM
michael palin when he played the bad guy in 'brazil' bad guys should all be cute and smoooth, haha!
oh, and illpalazzo from excel saga- i love when he's really out of character ^_^
08-15-2003, 03:06 PM
Yes, Palpatine indeed. He quite casualy dripped with menace, and oozed evil like he were a powder keg always on the verge of erupting. With lighting bolts. Lots of classy one-liners from him, too. For all-out Evil Bad Guys, he's the man, although he may well be surpassed by Grand Admiral Thrawn, Vaders successor in Timothy Zhans trilogy: Exceptionaly clever, calculating, inflappable and merciless in his ambition. Very, very cool.
On the other end of the scale though, we have people like Alan Rickman, the epitomy of smarmy, charming pithy Bad Guy. Die Hard and Robin Hood: Prince of Theives are the two obvious films of note, and they do him justice: Everyone remember the line: "...and cancel Christmas!" from the Sherrif of Sherwood.
However, I have come to the opinion quite recently...well, actualy, as I'm writing this very post, that the greatest ever villian to be conceived is, in fact, relatively new to ourselves: Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present Hugo Weaving, who, under the grimy light of a dishevelled sub-way station, uttered one of the most evil, sadistic lines ever:
"I'm going to enjoy watching you die, Mr Anderson..."
All hail Agent Smith, Satanic Texan Ranger of the digital age. Drawl it for me one more time, Hugo....
08-15-2003, 10:08 PM
Well, I don't know comic books, or anything, but I'll tell you the ones that really freaked me out when I was little in the movies.
1. The Childcatcher from "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"... that dude was pure candy-coated creepiness... eh, I'm gonna have a nightmare.
2. Angelica Huston as the Grand High Witch in the movie version of Roald Dahl's "The Witches"... my favorite movie in my youth. She's awesome.
3. Diana Rigg as the Evil Queen in Cannon Movie Tales' "Snow White" (A British Live Action I used to watch religiously. Really excellently done.) She was pee-in-your-pants scary to me as a child. Meanwhile, I think that she, in that character, as well as others, would have been a veeeeeery dangerous and effective 'ler... 'nother nightmare comin' on... eeeeegh.
08-15-2003, 10:48 PM
Has to be Andrew Robinson's performance as "Scorpio" in the First
Dirty Harry Movie .
08-16-2003, 09:35 AM
From comic books:
Ozymandius - from The Watchmen (DC Comics limited series '86-87) also known as the "smartest man in the world."
Mysterio - from the early Amazing Spider-Man series. Also was the villain in the epic 200th issue of the series, written by Marv Wolfman. Mysterio had the coolest costume (in my opinion). Green body suit, purple cape and glass helmet which totally obscured his face. Plus his powers of illusion gave Spidey quite a run.
Randall Flagg - from Stephen King. Originally appeared in The Stand, but was also a character in Eye of the Dragon, and more recently in the Dark Tower series last two books as Richard Fannin. In The Stand he was sometimes referred to as The Walkin Dude, The Hardcase, and The Man With No Face. "How about a little rat tar-tar, eh Lloyd?"
Pennywise the Clown - Another Stephen King creation. "Beep beep, Richie!"
Gregory and Fenny Bate - From Ghost Story, by Peter Straub. I found these two very creepy.
Morgoth - From JRR Tolkien's The Silmarillion. The first Dark Lord of Middle Earth, of whom Sauron of Mordor was but a servant.
Moriarty - Recurring villain of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's super sleuth, Sherlock Holmes.
From Star Trek
Q - Omnipotent entity with both a fascination and loathing of the human race. "It's so simple. It's as plain as the noses on your ugly little primate faces."
Admiral Gregory Quinn - Became posessed by an alien body snatcher in the episode "Conspiracy" from late in the first season. Although in his sixties, he easily over-powered Commander Riker who was nearly twice his size. "Vitamins...do the body wonders!"
From other television:
Zigfriedt - From Get Smart. The Nazi leader of the nefarious underworld organization known as KAOS. "I shall return again, Schmaht!"
Detective Bill Brennan - From My Favorite Martian. The male suiter of the pretty Mrs Brown, the land lady of the O'Hara's apartment. He was always trying to bust them.
Larry Tate - From Bewitched. Darren Stephens' boss. Not really a villain, but god, what a dick!
The Hooded Claw - From The Perils of Penelope Pitstop. Recurring villain with the voice of the imortal Paul Lynde.
Hugo a Gogo - From Batfink. Asian villain always seen in a Karate gee (sp?). Goofy voice, but you got to love that name. :)
Hercules - From Bugs Bunny. Overly muscled construction worker leading a building project right on Bugs' rabbit hole. Bugs has a field day with this guy.
08-16-2003, 04:36 PM
I had forgetton about Pennywise... I think I was maybe 5 when I saw the movie of "It" and I never went to the circus again..
"We all float down here..." Tim Curry, how could you?!!
08-16-2003, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by aphrael
oh, and illpalazzo from excel saga- i love when he's really out of character ^_^
*Does the ACROSS salute* HAIL ILPALAZZO!
08-16-2003, 11:01 PM
Think Back to 1971
Alex DeLarge...A Clockwork Orange; This guy was The Joker, Hell's Angel & Your typical Schoolyard bully/street fight all rolled into 1.
RUNNERS UP: Joker Two-Face Penguin & Riddler
Light side: Dr.Evil, Boris Badenov, Fearless Leader
SNYDELY WHIPLASH &
obscure mention: THE LIGHTNING BUG - Insane criminal Disc Jockey from the Moon/ sworn to take over the Earth By means of Rock N' Roll & 'Flying "Hash-Missles"...from the Proctor / Bergman Cult Film:
08-17-2003, 04:38 AM
Thanks for bringing Rickman up. I loved him as the Sherrif in "Robin Hood". And you're right, he had some great lines...
after running his own cousin through for failing him: "This is good steel..."
08-17-2003, 12:04 PM
Shredder from the late 80's (or was it early 90's?) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie. That guy was a total badass. He kicked ALL of the Turtles' asses at the same time on the rooftop. Only Splinter was able to stop him..and that was because Shredder let his anger get the better of him and made a mistake. And to top that off, he comes back after being crushed (supposedly) by that garbabe truck from the first movie!
Jason from the FRI13 movies is a cool villan. He doesn't waste time with words...just gets right down to the hacking and slashing. And he's come back from the dead HOW many times now? He's harder to kill than a cockroach on steroids. lol
Evil-Lynn from the new "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" is a great villaness , now. She's as smart as Skeletor..if he didn't keep all his men (and women. lol) in line, she'd probably have tried taking his power by now. She has a dad in the new series, who seems to be neither on the side of good, nor evil. Just some guy known only as The Faceless One. He guards this powerful gem called the Ramstone. Evil Lynn stole it once (because Skeletor wanted it ) and then ol bonehead used it to blast He-Man (the blast was so powerful it knocked He-Man back out of his site and turned him back into Adam. ) . But in the end, Skelly lost the stone and Evil Lynn returned it to her old man. So I guess she's pretty evil, but apparently she has SOME good in her. Either way, she's lookin to screw Skeletor over and take him down.
And of course, I have to mention Skeletor as one of the best villans. Maybe not in the old He-Man series..but in the new one, he kicks ass! He took on both King Randor (yes, King Randor fights sometimes in the new series. ) AND He-Man at the same time! He's also no idiot either....he knows Evil Lynn is looking to take his power...but he also knows how to remind her and the others who's in charge of their evil army (oh yeah, that's another thing about Skeletor I like too...in the comic, he has a whole ARMY..makes him much more of a threat than before ).
Not only that , but he also gets some of the best lines in the whole series, like these:
The Beginning, Part 3 (right after Skeletor threatens to blast King Randor off a cliff, unless He-Man lets Skeletor go, back to his hideout)
Skeletor: " Let me go, and I'll spare the king's life..."
King Randor : "Don't listen to him, He-Man..Eternia's saftey matters more than my life!"
Skeletor : "Such courage....I think I'm going to gag..."
*He-Man lowers his sword*
Skeletor: Your sentimentality is your weakness, He-Man....
*Skeletor climbs onto Panthor's saddle *
Sk: "....Oh, and He-Man....I LIED!!" *uses his Havok Staff to blast Randor off the cliff*
"Lessons" (After Orko steals the Ramstone from Skeletor, gets chased inside Castle Grayskull...and Orko blows out the torches on the walls)
Skeletor: "Oooh, darkness.....I'm so scared."
"Turnabout"...Man-At-Arms manages to attach a belt to Skeletor that shocks him whenever he does anything evil. However, Skeletor manages to get a similar device on He-Man which shocks him when HE does GOOD deeds.
Skeletor : "Turnabout is fair play, He-Man...therefore.." belt shocks him " ...ARRRGGGHHH!!!!"
Skeletor*turns to Evil Lynn*: "YOU tell him." *She explains what the device attached to He-Man will do to him.
and then there's my fave one from the ending of...
"Turnabout" (after Skeletor's belt has been blasted off --He-Man's device got broken too, of course..and he's got his warriors chained up over a slime pit..or lava pit, or something with a monster in it...for what they did earlier to him )
Skeletor: "So...had fun, did you? Fun at my expense...now I'm going to have MY fun" (this quote might be off, but whatever. lol)
Evil-Lynn: "Have mercy! "
Skeletor:"Mercy?...I didn't hear 'pleee-eease'"
All who're chained up : "PLEEEEASE!!!"
Skeletor: "Hmmmm.....I think.....NOT!!" *laughs evily while blasting a lever which lets the chain drop near the monster in the pit*
Oh yeeahh....the new Skeletor rules. :D :D
08-18-2003, 01:49 AM
I've seen everyone's lists and you all have a pretty damn good handle on what some good villains are. Granted, this is favorite villain thread, but I choose my favorite villains based on how nasty they are, not by how much i like 'em.
But here are THE TOP 15 VILLAINS of ALL TIME IN ANY FORMAT:
1. AKU (Samurai Jack)
Say what you want about Darth Vader, Sauron, Randall Flagg or even J.R., but NOBODY and I mean NOBODY embodies the essence of pure, undiluted and unrepentant evil than the Almighty Aku. This immortal changeling from the absolute darkness, complete with flaming eyebrows, has destroyed virtually everything on Earth and enslaved countless species to serve him and worship his insatiably sadistic ego. There has never been a villain who was so joyously evil and malicious, not even by Biblical standards, and all other villains in all other fields would run in fear at the first sight of him.
2. GOD (Sandman series)
Garth Ennis made the Almighty a traditional self-absorbed despot of the cosmos in Preacher, but Neil Gaiman's more refined and infinitely more imaginative touch has made Him much more ambiguous, and in the process, much more sinister. Known as the Creator, he created the unbelievably bizarre Universe and its peripherals...and with less-than-benign intentions. Residing in isolation in His tower in the Silver City, he orchestrates the entire history of the Universe before it even plays out, determining who will be damned or worse before they even come to exist. Not only was he instrumental in Lucifer's rebellion, he designed it's execution before the Morningstar even thought of it. Calling his Creation "my little Drama", he rules over an existence that is doomed from the beginning, and so are the minions within it.
3. UNGOLIANT (The Simarillion)
Morgoth may be the source of all evil in Middle-Earth, but he comes behind when compared to this baaaaaaaaaad bitch. Ungoliant was the Great Spider, a spirit of inconceivable evil and malice, whose appetite was beyond insatiable. She generated webbing of pure blackness that consumed light and created unlight, which was so dark even the Ea could not see through. She singlehandedly ate the Trees of the Valar and was so voracious that she even tried and almost successfully ate Morgoth himself. Driven off by the Balrogs, she ate herself to death in the deserts, but not before giving birth to her only worthy successor....Shelob.
4. MORGOTH (The Simarillion)
Sauron got a lot of recognition for being the ultimate evil-ass in the Holy Book of Tolkien, but even the master was once the pupil. One of Iluvatar the One's failed sub-creations, this source of all evil destroyed almost all influence of the Valar on Middle-Earth and stole the Smials for himself out of jealousy for his Creator, who denied him the power to create life. Thus, he created his own perversions of life and even corrupted many Maiar spirits to his service, such as the Balrogs. He obliterated countless armies of Eldar before being defeated by Tinuviel and Beren, the forbidden lovers. Sauron took over afterwards, but was only half the villain that Morgoth was.
5. JODY/GRANDMA (Preacher)
You may wonder what these two mortals are doing above all the immortal villains seen below; that's because these the evil and villainy committed by these two people is so horrendously great, that it becomes a power itself. The 100+ year-old matriarch of the Custer clan sits wheelchair bound in a decrepit Victorian mansion in the south, where she oversees the legacy of her bloodline to the smallest detail. Keeping her children and grandchildren virtual prisoners in their home, she makes certain they keep their faith in the Almighty...and slow learning pupils spend up to a month lying in a coffin under the river without food or water. Jody is her henchman...a redneck so tough that he once beat a gorilla to death with his bare hands and so mean he nailed a dog's head to a fence while it was still alive; and that's just for starters. Even though grandma burned to death and Jody went out with a broken skull, based on their meanness alone...they ain't dead enough.
6. SKYNET (Terminator 1,2,3)
The T-800 butchered his way through a police station; the T-1000 killed anyone in his path; the T-X put her arm through a cop to drive his car...but Skynet was the one who told 'em what to do. Evolving into self-awareness in the cyber-primordial goo of the internet, Skynet decided that humans were unecessary competition and played the Orkin man with the world's nuclear stock. It then rounded up humans in death camps to rival the Third Reich and sent terminator's to slaughter humans in their hideouts regardless of age. So egocentric is this computer that it allows the Terminators to read-only on missions, denying them the free thought that gave it birth. It may not have emotions, but this mechanical sonofabitch is as mean as they come.
7. DARKSEID (DC universe)
The Stalin of Stellar is a demi-god who lives on an artificial planet called Apokalips. The entire planet is a Holocaust unto itself with an entire population enslaved and tortured on a regular basis all living in squalor above a giant furnace that gives the planet its life. Almost unkillable, this mastermind has no pity or remorse and seeks to destroy all life in existence through his relentless pursuit of the anti-life equation...as if his sun-like Omega Beams that shoot from his eyes weren't enough. In all the countless battles that he has created in his quest to dominate the universe, he's had his ass handed to him only once...by the indestructable Doomsday, who almost killed him without effort before being saved reluctantly by Superman. Based on what this monstrosity has done, the caped crusader should have been committed for his backfiring heroism.
8. APOCALYPSE (Marvel universe)
Marvel's paralell to Darkseid, this uber-mutant is perhaps the oldest of his kind and the most deadly. This cybernetic supremacist can control his density at an unheard of level, making him virtually impervious to harm by even the most powerful mutants and heroes in the world. With plans to exterminate all unworthy races and put himself on the top of the heap, this guy ranks among the most irritatingly stubborn villains of all.
9. DARTH VADER (Star Wars)
A lot of you are saying "ABOUT TIME!" and you're right. The cybernetic Dark Lord of the Sith is the embodiment of fascist fashion and menace. With his preternaturally-strong power of the Force, this cybernetic madman works for the Galactic Empire, which seeks to control all planets in its totalitarian greed. He does not take failure lightly and strangles anyone who does not carry out his orders in full. His presence itself is enough to make you wet yourself and his legendary (and enviable) voice foreshadow anything this 6'7" powerhouse can do.
10. BIG BROTHER (1984)
Baptists have a friend in Jesus...Dictators have a friend in the Brother. The creation of the impeccably pervasive propaganda machine of Oceania watches over the mentally enslaved population through various monitors placed on every wall in every bulding and square in every angle in the realm with the ominous "Big Brother is watching you." Abusing the trusting association that comes with older siblings, his henchman run the various Ministries that maintain civilian life, and his enforcers patrol the city monitoring the very thoughts of its inhabitants; and woe to the thinker who finds himself in the psychologically crippling torture chambers of his inner sanctum. While he himself does not exist and probably cannot be stopped, his unquenchable ego limited his range by alerting readers everywhere of his existence before our own political leaders could imitate him.
11. MR. MURDSTONE (David Copperfield)
The world is full of bad parents...and Mr. Murdstone is the granddaddy of them all. This domestic fascist and his equally dicatatorial and sexually repressed sister take over the young Copperfield's life when his guardian dies. He proceeds to show him who's boss with the hard edge of a cane on unlimited occasions most of them under false accusations by his sibling accomplice. While Copperfield eventually escapes his brutal and psychologically domineering sphere of influence, this materialistic Victorian still manages to wedge his way into the boy;s life for the pure love of being evil. Unfortunately, there's not an ass-whuppin' big enough for what this piece of shit deserves.
12. LUCIFER (Sandman)
Ah yes, the main man himself; the subject of limitless notoriety and books, along with credit for every bad thing that happens in the world, is actually nothing more than a glory hound. The second-most powerful being in existence (next to God), this fallen angel has long grown tired of doing things by the rules and gives up his post in Hell to run a nightclub in Los Angeles with his Lilithim lover Azakeem. But even this Rick of the Supernatural Casablanca can't keep the angry denizens of the universe away from him, and even his almost inexhaustible power is helpless against the weird physics of the Universe. His intellect dwarves Dr. Doom by light-years and even his failures end up reaping some rewards all due to his amoral and unbelievable cunning and strategy. Make no mistake about him though...despite his sterile suits and super-suave attitude, he doesn't give a fuck about anything unless he gets something out of it...and probably doesn't give a fuck about that either. A total scumbag is he wasn't so likable.
13. KEYSER SOZE (The Usual Suspects)
Out of all the villains on the list, this is the ONE guy you NEVER want to fuck with. A former Hungarian drug smuggler, he turned to the supreme embodiment of human evil when rival gang members captured his family in exchange for his business; Soze killed them rather than let them be bargaining chips. After going on a rampage of destruction, he went underground and became the underworld's most feared shadowplayer, driving fear into the hearts of the most powerful men on the planet. His genius enables him to manipulate people into working for him without their knowledge and will kill anyone he has to...but he will probably have their loved ones raped and castrated (or worse) first. With his devoutly loyal Pakistani lawyer Kobayashi in the trenches, the Sultan of Shadow is unstoppable and undeceivable. Word of advice, never speak his name, for he might be the man right next to you as others have found out the hard way.
14. HANNIBAL LECTER (The Silence of the Lambs)
If you ever had a mistrust of shrinks...this guy won't help you get over them anytime soon. A brilliant psychiatrist from Baltimore, Hannibal Lecter is refined, polite, sophisticated, educated, suave...and crazy as a mad fucking hatter. Beneath those piercing blue eyes and soft British accent lies a complete and total psychopath, who has a taste for human flesh. He absolutely despises captivity and is not afraid to wear your face as a mask if it will get him out into the wide world. Fortunately, the Good Doctor is as sweet and as charming as any hero of Harlequinn...as long as you don't behave rudely. His affecting voice has been known to trigger shuddering reactions in the female species (right Mimi?) and can be as chilling and as frightening as anything he might do to you.
15. THE JOKER (DC Universe)
The most insane fucking man in the world is also the most royal pain in the ass of any crime-fighter. This poster child for death got his green hair and white face looks from taking a reluctant bath in a chemical plant decades ago and has never been the same since. A brilliant chemist, his concoctions can leave you with a permanent and terminal smile on your face...it must be the novelty joke devices he stores them in. While he does know the sensation fo fear and even sadness, they never linger long enough to stave off an unbelievably homicidal sadism that has kept EVERYONE, including his fellow criminals, at odds with him. Despite his scrawny build, this guy just will not die, and hasn't seen an asylum cell that can hold him yet. If you find yourself merely dead after you meet him, consider yourself lucky.
HONORABLE MENTION -
THE SAINT OF KILLERS (Preacher)
Clint Eastwood and Roland the Gunslinger would piss themselves and run home crying to mama if they ever met this tough-as-nails sumbitch. A dead-ringer for Will Munny of Unforgiven, this unnamed gunfighter gained his insane thirst for blood during the Civil War and afterword found the accidental solace of a wife and child. But after seeing his potential, God sent a blizzard to keep him from bringing medicine to his ailing family. He went on a rampage, killing off an entire town before being sent to Hell, where the angel of death retired his sword to him in the form of two Walker Colts, thus becoming the Saint of Killers. The embodiment of pure and absolute rage, the Saint is completely invulnerable, has the strength of 1000 men and his guns can kill any being in existence, even the Devil (who he shot in the face before leaving Hell). He is the coldest and meanest sumbitch in existence and he froze over Hell to prove it.
08-18-2003, 11:19 AM
Amnesiac: Good list, just one edit required...
Roland would never, ever run away. Ever. If he wasn't a force for Good, he'd be a killing machine that couldn't be stopped....
08-18-2003, 03:59 PM
My favorite villain is SKELETOR from the Masters of the Universe.
Used to watch the cartoon when I was young.:D
08-18-2003, 04:04 PM
Is Skeletor!!!!!!!!! I loved the series. And I still do. Especially after they made a new cartoon and new action figures. Skeletor has the greatest and most sardistic laugh!!!:D
08-18-2003, 05:38 PM
Though he's not my favorite or one of the greatest, honorable mention should go to "Billy the Butcher" from Gangs of New York.
He was absolutley brutal in this and anyone who beats the crap out of Leonardo DeCaprio can't be all bad.
08-19-2003, 01:37 AM
Dang, there are so many "good" bad guys....
Darth Vader - Star Wars
Magneto, Dr. Doom & Kingpin - Marvel comics
Joker, 2 Face, Riddler - DC Comics
Hannibal Lector - Silence of the Lambs
Simon Legree - Uncle Tom's Cabin
Alex - Clockwork Orange
Bill Sikes - Oliver Twist
Moriarity- league of Extarodianry Gentlemen
Goldfinger, Oddjob, Jaws, Tee Hee, Elliot Carver - The Bond Films
Frank Booth - Blue Velvet
Mike Meyers - Halloween
Freddy Kruger - Nightmare on Elm Street
Leatherface - TX Chainsaw Massacre
All the bad girls from The Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling...
and the list goes on......!
08-19-2003, 06:48 AM
A member had posted a reply to this thread as a new thread by mistake. In placing it here where it belongs, it seems I did it in reverse and the wrong thread title is now at the top of this thread. It's still the same thread, just with a title change. I apologize for any confusion this has caused.
:rolleyes: :D :cool: :rolleyes:
08-23-2003, 03:07 AM
Oh kickass, villains getting some love.
I'm kinda into tragic villains, so my list will reflect that. Anyway:
Demona (Gargoyles) is a great sympathetic villain, cause her irrational hatred for humans causes her to do horrible things (goes on a rampage killing New Yorkers after turning them to stone in one episode) you can't help but feel for her when you find out what happened - humans have pretty much fucked with her since day one; she BECOMES a human by day; and she's immortal. Eternal life with absolutely nothing to live for... "My vengeance is all that you've left me."
Vicious (Cowboy Bebop) is a guy who just doesn't give a fuck. "There is nothing in this world to believe in," he said once, but he doesn't believe that actually, and so all the awful things he does are pretty much a quest to find meaning that never finds its mark...
*SPOILER* ...ultimately ending in his death at the hands of Spike (whom he also kills) *SPOILER*.
Khan (Star Trek), Yeah I got to agree with whoever's said this so far, Khan is the best. He's a sadist. "I've done far worse than kill you, Kirk," he says in Star Trek II. "I've hurt you, and I intend to keep on hurting you." Those who are attracted to revenge can't help but love the guy for trying.
Frieza from Dragonball Z. I really don't care for this show too much, but the character of Frieza kind of appeals to me. Because unlike the other evil characters that show up after him that are pretty much made for destruction, Frieza CHOSE to be evil. And he enjoys it, too. Good example of power without discipline.
The Joker from Batman is dope too, it's kind of impossible to screw this guy up, because there is no rhyme or reason to him. He just hurts and kills 'cause it makes him laugh. He's the embodiment of the guy deep inside of all of us who laughs at others' pain. "Haven't you ever heard of the healing power of laughter?"
And for a lesser known but nevertheless fucking cool villain hidden in the annals of erotic fiction... try...
Celestial Fu, the Horror from the works of the author EyeofSerpent (http://www.asstr.org/~EyeofSerpent). The antagonist of EOS' engrossing stories is pretty much the embodiment of evil: power-hungry, seductive, confident. Probably flat out the sexiest villain I've ever seen/heard/read anywhere. Too bad the content of the stories is too risque to make a movie out of. Maybe a hentai?
08-24-2003, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by blankpage
The Joker from Batman is dope too, it's kind of impossible to screw this guy up, because there is no rhyme or reason to him. He just hurts and kills 'cause it makes him laugh. He's the embodiment of the guy deep inside of all of us who laughs at others' pain. "Haven't you ever heard of the healing power of laughter?"
He also is as smart as he is crazy. He knows his limits, though.
"I'm crazy enough to take on Batman...but the I.R.S.? Nooo thank you."
And hey, we can't forget about Dr. Evil, right? He knows everything about being a supervillan.
"I'm going to put them in an easily escapable trap, but I won't watch them...I'll simply leave and assume they've been killed. Begin the ridiculously slow dipping mechanism!"
08-28-2003, 01:52 PM
Whoever the villain is, an englishman will play him best! :D
08-28-2003, 03:02 PM
Ooooooo......I like this thread....:D
His Divine Shadow: My favorite vilian of all time. (Obviously) Ruler of the Divine Order, this guy made Palpatie seem like the kindly old lady next store. Not only would he kill his enemies, but he would then bring them back as unstoppable undead Asassins who had to then go kill his other enemies for him. (He had lots) Once, he asked two servants a question, and the one who got it right had to shoot the loser and then herself! Both saying "I worship His Shadow" as they died! Pure evil.
08-28-2003, 03:20 PM
Until he sold out.
08-28-2003, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by Neutron
Until he sold out.
Not to worry Mike, you filled in nicely for him ever since. ;)
08-28-2003, 06:21 PM
I ain't selling out :)
08-28-2003, 06:46 PM
Originally posted by Neutron
I ain't selling out :)
That's the spirit! You bloody tell em! :D
By the way, why havn't you applied to join the Wanker Club, hmmm? Too good for us, are you? :p
08-28-2003, 06:50 PM
tickler out the turtles best villia\n
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