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mabus
06-21-2004, 03:59 AM
You know, the world, and especially Muslims in this country, really, really should be glad an explosion of hate crimes against Muslims hasn't occurred.

I mean, really.

I know many people in this country hate this country so much they are foaming at the mouth every time they mention the name of the United States. But you ever wonder how lucky those who attacked us and the citizens from their countries are? They can come here, tell us how much we suck, and liberals welcome them with open arms. If we went to their country and told them how much they sucked, especially since, you know, THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL US ALL, they would ... kill us.

But we in this country, we put up with their bullshit, day in and day out, all the while they tell us how evil, brutal, and satanic we are.

I find this, utterly, un-fucking-believable. If a nationalist dictator ever took over this country, and decided he really wanted to kick ass, these little turds would be shitting all over themselves so much we'd have a worldwide toilet paper shortage. Bush has said so many times we are at war with al-Qaeda and other terrorists, and not Islam, you'd think hecklers in the audience would tell him shut up, enough already.


After Beheading, Rising Anger in New Jersey
By JASON GEORGE and MARC SANTORA

Published: June 20, 2004

LITTLE EGG HARBOR TOWNSHIP, N.J., June 19 — There are the flowers and the crosses, the notes and the photographs and all the other signs of sympathy and grieving that one would expect to find at an impromptu shrine devoted to someone murdered in a most cruel fashion.

But one day after graphic photographs of the body of Paul M. Johnson Jr., beheaded by Islamic extremists, were beamed around the world, a new sign appeared in the yard next to the house of Mr. Johnson's sister in Little Egg Harbor Township.

"Last night my heart was filled with love and prayers, but today it is filled with hatred. Last night I was not a racist, but today I feel racism toward Islamic beliefs," the sign said. "Last night Islamics had a chance to speak up for Paul Johnson, but today it was too late," it also said. "Today Islamics better wake up and start thinking about tomorrow."

The sentiment reflected in the sign was not shared by everyone in the southern New Jersey community where Mr. Johnson had grown up, but it was shared by several people interviewed over the past few days.

Muslim officials around the state, and the world, were quick to condemn the killing and offer their sympathy to Mr. Johnson's family.

A week ago, when Mr. Johnson was kidnapped in Saudi Arabia, where he worked as an engineer for Lockheed Martin, there was a great deal of hope among friends that everything would work out.

On Tuesday, when the terrorists put out a video saying they would execute Mr. Johnson in 72 hours if their demands were not met, the situation took on added urgency and people turned to prayer.

About 100 friends gathered Thursday night for a candlelight vigil. Friday they found out that their prayers had not been answered.

"A lot of people are angry, a lot of people are sad and a lot of people are hurt," said Dennis C. Seeley Jr., a chaplain for the Eagleswood Fire Company. Mr. Seeley, who helped organize the vigil, had the same exhausted look as others in the town.

John Hayes, a childhood friend of Mr. Johnson's, said: "I just can't believe it. I didn't think it was going to come to this." Mr. Hayes said he was sad for Mr. Johnson's son, Paul III, and his grandson, Paul IV, who live in Florida.

Mr. Johnson's family spent most of their time in private, grieving.

Joseph Billy Jr., an F.B.I. agent who spoke on the family's behalf, said, "They knew that the odds were not in the favor of law enforcement." He thanked the Saudi and American governments and said, "Paul considered Saudi Arabia his home."

Some neighbors did not hide their anger, saying privately that blood should be met with blood.

Khalid Masood Butt, 51, president of the Pakistani American Muslim Organization of South Jersey, said, "This is understandable as the people react and they are under the influence of emotions." He said he wanted to offer the family support. "But I wondered about how I would be received. Now I feel I should have done it. As an American, as a Muslim, it is my duty to give them the concepts of being a Muslim."

buggs
06-21-2004, 04:43 AM
I for one do not want to see any racism come about against people of the muslum faith because of the beheadings. There are alot of good, decent muslim people who came here to make a new life and to get away from the suppression in whatever country they came from. It is very sad that the extreme nature of a few Islamic zealots are causing this. On the other hand, a lot of the Islamic community has been silent, and not willing to turn over people they know to be connected to Al Quaida and other radical groups. It is damn near impossible to infiltrate them, and even when we find someone in the community who is an agent, they refuse to tape or even turn over people of their faith. I don't want to see people of Islam attacked fot he actions of others, but I do want to see the community as a wwhole step up to the plate, realize that this is not a war against their religion, but against a'holes who are abusing and misusing and twisting their relion around to jsutify their cause of terror. The Islamic community needs to stand up and say "Enough is enough!" and start doing something about it.

areenactor
06-21-2004, 09:21 AM
to get a "wave of racism" you'd have to have media, and government backing. neither of these groups are going to call for any type of retribution against average abdul.

steve

natural tickler
06-21-2004, 05:39 PM
Unfortunately, we will see it soon, when we are taking out frustration out on them for what others did over there. If I were Muslims in this country, I would sleep with one eye open.....:sowrong:

JPie1
06-21-2004, 07:58 PM
this is all very sad, this is how hatred gets started. A bunch of bad apples will spoil it for their culture in what they think is gods name. It really is a pity and very sad.

Knox The Hatter
06-21-2004, 08:21 PM
Mabus thinks that someone here will go down to the local mosque, kidnap some unsuspecting poor fool, and behead him.

Cosmo_ac
06-21-2004, 08:41 PM
They don't just do it in Gods name, Pie, sometimes they do it in the name of there country too...

venray
06-21-2004, 09:59 PM
The fanatics that do this do it for their own agenda. It's all about power and rule over the masses. You know, business as usual. It should not reflect badly on the majority of Muslim people who just want to live their lives peacefully like the rest of us do.

It will not with those of with intelligence, however there are too many around lacking in that department.


Ray

Faramir
06-22-2004, 06:03 PM
is anybody here really naive enough to believe they weren't going to kill those people anyway?

...but getting to the point of why I'm replying at all...I looked in Gen Disc to see if anyone started a thread about the newest victim, and found nothing about it. I remember seeing threads about the 1st two...especially the first victim. Could it be because this one was not an American?

Kinda sad, eh? (get my point?)

...but anyway, I guess they think that they got away with the first two, so they might as well keep going on with their sick slaughter of innocent HUMAN BEINGS...!! I believe they will screw up eventually and be caught...but heaven forbid they be treated inhumanely!

NOTE: This is NOT a political or social comment. just my own personal feelings, fwiw.