Would Clinton's "My Life" be better titled "My Lies"?

[drew70]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39148

A Harvard professor and former aide to President George H.W. Bush says Bill Clinton fabricated a threatening conversation between the two of them in the former president's newly released memoir.

Roger B. Porter, who teaches at the Kennedy School of Government, was a senior economic and domestic policy adviser in 1992 when Clinton says the conversation took place, the Harvard Crimson newspaper reports.

Clinton says in "My Life" that Porter told him during the election campaign that, unlike other potentional Democratic candidates, he was vulnerable to personal attack, and Republicans would attempt to "take you out."

"Here's how Washington works," Clinton quotes Porter as saying. "The press has to have somebody and we're going to give them you. ... We'll spend whatever we have to spend to get whoever we have to get to say whatever they have to say to take you out. And we'll do it early."

But, according to the Crimson, Porter recalls having only one conversation with Clinton, in 1989 during President Bush's Education Summit with the Governors.

"We never had any conversation as he has described in his book," Porter told the campus newspaper. "You don't remember every conversation in life, but I would certainly remember a conversation like that."

Porter says the dialogue Clinton uses confirms the account was made up. According to Clinton, Porter broke off the conversation with "Cut the crap, governor," before the alleged threats.

"That’s not the way I talk," Porter said, "and anybody who's been around me knows that's not the way I talk."

Porter also insists no one in George H.W. Bush's administration would make such a call.

"That was not President Bush's style or that of those who worked for him," he said.

Porter noted Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward had learned of Clinton's account but did not think it credible enough to include in his 1994 book "The Agenda."

"[It] sounds like someone from the Sopranos," Woodward told the White House Bulletin. "It's an apocryphal story."

Porter says the account, which he regards as a smear, will not affect how he treats Clinton in his popular government course, "The American Presidency."

He acknoweldges, though, "I am disappointed in him."

"Why he feels the need to just make stuff up escapes me," Porter told the Crimson.

[t7*]

Of course he's a liar! This guy was a lawyer for the tobacco industry, to expect him to be anything other than slimy is expecting a lot. What a weenie, making up conversations! Breaking campaign promises isn't too cool either.

[Haltickling]

Originally posted by t7*
Of course he's a liar! This guy was a lawyer for the tobacco industry, to expect him to be anything other than slimy is expecting a lot. What a weenie, making up conversations! Breaking campaign promises isn't too cool either.
I don't know anything about that alleged lie, but I've never heard of any politician who didn't break at least several of his/her campaign promises... :devil:

[Knox The Hatter]

I find that many who walk around spouting chapter and verse on how Clinton lied will tell you with a straight face how honest this administration is.

[Jimblast]

Define the word....the... LOL! And just what does 'sexual relations with that woman' mean. I mean he could have been smoking a cigar...um....nevermind!

[Mitchell]

I have to chime in here. Whether he "lied" or not, what is more significant is what he "lied" about, and that is sex. I again say, that it was an area that should just have not been touched, and is the president's personal life, an issue between him, Monica, Hillary, Chelsea, and a higher force. It in no way affected or had any bearings on his ability to be president, or his official oath of office. He did not commit treason, or place the American people in danger due to his lies. Think of how it would have been if 40 plus years ago the Senate had investigated Jack Kennedy, probably the biggest womanizing president of them all, about his sex life. Even had he lived, his whole term would have been spent on that issue. If Clinton had lied about an issue that affected his official oath of office, then, fine, he should have been impeached and removed, but what Clinton "lied" about is one thing, SEX! Think of how any of us would feel if questioned about our sexual history or practices under oath. It would be embarrassing, humiliating, and is no one's business. I honestly dont care if Clinton lied about sex, as long as he did his job well in other areas which are most important, his official title of president. Under Clinton, we created 22 million jobs, saw unemployment drop from 8% on the day he was elected, to a low of 3.9% and then to no higher than 4.2 % on the day he left. He balanced the budget, and we went from a terrible deficit to the greatest surplus in the country's history. The stock market went to record highs during his term in office, and all this while dealing with a Republican congress who constantly attacked his policies, and his character. From an official capacity, the guy did a good job. Clinton's problem was a human failing, not a presidential one. I would sooner rather have a president with Clinton's human failings, then one whose problems affect the American people, and his official capacity as president.

Mitch

[venray]

Ummmmm sorry Mitch, but he lied about sex in the oval office..now if you or I were lucky enough to get some at work, do you not think there is a good chance we would lose our jobs....heck look at someone the wrong way at work and you can get fired.....;)

I believe that Monica and other issues were enough of a distraction to influence his performance of his duties.....

Ray

[Jimblast]

..the President of the United States lied to the American people. He would have lied even more if the blue dress hadn't have been found. It begs the question...what else did he lie about. What he 'lied' about has no bearing on anything. He should live by a higher standard. I am a Bush supporter. If Bush were found to be lying about the war or the weapons of mass destruction, then he should go down as well. I think he was and has told the truth based upon the information given and thereby made his decisions based upon those decisions. Clinton lied. He couldn't cover it up so he finally came clean. Nixon lied, he couldn't cover it up so he came clean. Both Presidents could not be trusted. Period. You have to go by a higher standard when talking about the most powerful post in the world. What....are we going to go by 'degrees of lies' here? At what point is a lie a good lie or a bad lie? It's a friggin' LIE! Wake up! :sowrong:

[kurchatovium]

The problem is it doesn't matter what you lie about if its in a court of law. So its not about sex, its about PERJURY. He could have lied about which cartoons he watched as a kid. Its still perjury if its in a court of law. The fact that he lied about something so silly just means he made a really bad mistake. The reason this is a problem is if one is willing to lie so easily how can one ever be sure that he is ever telling the truth. I am truly amazed at times that we hold the highest office in the land to such overwhelmingly low standards.

[MrMacphisto]

Originally posted by Knox The Hatter
I find that many who walk around spouting chapter and verse on how Clinton lied will tell you with a straight face how honest this administration is.

Thank you... that's all that needed to be said. Very concise and very true....

[drew70]

Come on. Every administration has it's secrets and cover-ups. That's just business as usual. To imply that Clinton lying to a grand jury is excusable in the light of alleged lies of the current administration is simply ludicrous, and a desperately weak defense.

[Jimblast]

Billy Boy was in his mid 50's and at the time of the cigar incident Monica was around 20. What he does when he's not in public office I could care less about, yet being President he should do better than to take advantage of a starry eyed woman his daughter's age. Monica isn't without fault either, but that's fairly sleazy for a President. I know I'm going to hear about all the other presidents who had affairs, doesn't make those right either. Clinton just wasn't fit to run this country, he's really not very fit to be a parent or run his own life. You can tell a lot by how someone scores his golf score on his golf sheet during a round. A journalist followed him around a course and he even lied about his score....to the tune of 30 strokes! We have a compulsive liar here...he needs help. Period.

[jhop220]

Why is it always a big thing when polticians are found to have lied? OH NO! Not a lieing politician. Please....all of them lie and we will never get an honest politician in office....ever. It won't happen. Why does it matter if he got head in the oval office? That is his business and honestly it shouldn't have gone as far as it did. Hell even the woman who gave him head became famous. Anyway the thing is that all polticians lie in one way or another. Clinton lied and so has Dubya.

[Mephistopheles]

Lewinsky didn't have a relationship with clinton, she just smoked his meat-cigar :p

Of course he's a liar, being honest in politics won't bring you very far. It's not what the people WANT, but what they want to HEAR what should be told.

[Cosmo_ac]

At least clintons lie never got anybody killed...unlike...

[Knox The Hatter]

I never hear cogent arguments from the other side. All I ever hear is labeling, libeling, and demonization. You know why? Because it all hides the fact that they have no plan, no theories, no ideas on how to make life truly better for all around here, the only thing they have's smoke, mirrors, and gross tonnage of bullshit. The "Arena of Ideas", as Nixon called it? Forget it...after all, who was better at labeling, libeling, and demonization than he?

Oh, I forgot. There actually are plans, theories, and ideas. Too bad none of them will help people who work for a living, the people who really matter.

[giggleygirl25]

you're right Knox there are some brilliant thoughts, ideas and plans..unfortunately most of the people with those thoughts,ideas and plans will never get into politics because of what it has become(us vs them) instead of what it was supposed to be (public service)

[Knox The Hatter]

Sadly, that's all it is. "Us vs. Them." On both sides. It's much easier to co-opt the political discourse in this country, and get people to talk about and obsess about bogeymen in our midst: the partial birth aborter...the row of AK-47s in the gun rack on the pickup of Mr. NRA, on his way out to shoot every last vestige of wildlife in his county...anyone who doesn't accept Christ as his or her savior....the Liberal who wants to introduce co-ed wrestling in the school curriculum with physical handicaps on the boys to make things even...than to actually come up with political solutions to the problems that almost all of us face in our lives. Really important things, like our stagnant paychecks and our getting crushed in the grinding wheels of revolving credit. Violence in the schools. Our jobs being outsourced to people willing to do it for sixteen cents an hour. REAL problems.

What's even sadder to me is how some people who you think would know better would buy the crap that's being fed them by media outlets. I really fear for this country, and where it's headed.

[natural tickler]

All Clinton lied about was an affair. Bush's lie killed hundreds of soldiers. Let us not forget that:D

[drew70]

Originally posted by natural tickler
All Clinton lied about was an affair. Bush's lie killed hundreds of soldiers. Let us not forget that:D Strange. I'm aware of no such lie. Care to enlighten us? :D

[Cosmo_ac]

WMD comes to mind. Oh, and Iraq supporing al-quada.

[drew70]

No, I'm talking about "lies" cosmo. Statements known to be false at the time of their making. Incorrect statements based on misinformation later discovered to be false hardly qualify as "lies." There's no evidence to support that Bush believed there were no WMD's when the war began. Clinton, on the other hand knew his statements of denial were 100% bullshit. Please don't pretend not to know the difference.

[Cosmo_ac]

Either he lied or "Exagerated" or simply has the most incompetent people in the world working for him drew. What is it?

[venray]

It has already been proven that the intelligence was incompetant. Even the "intelligence" agencies of other countries.

To make a statement based on the information given to you as fact is NOT lying. this "theory" has been beaten to death now and no proof of intent to lie or even bend the truth has been given. Until such time as it is, this subject is dead.

Show proof or dont say it. Plain and simple.

Ray

[Cosmo_ac]

Let me ask you something Ray, exactly who is making money off the War in Iraq?

[venray]

and who is making more off of f 911? Which is indirectly making money from Iraq.......

[drew70]

Originally posted by cosmo_ac
Either he lied or "Exagerated" or simply has the most incompetent people in the world working for him drew. What is it? Well, let's see. A post or two ago you said he was lying. plain and simple. Now, we're down to lying as one of three possibilities. This is typical left wing waffling. Everybody knows the reports of WMD's came from multiple sources, not just America's faulty intelligence. Maybe there are WMD. Maybe there aren't. Maybe Saddam got rid of them in the nick of time, or they may yet to be discovered. We may never know. But faulty or not, the President has to act on the information he has. At the time, his best information said there were WMD, so the decision was made. I'm just glad we had somebody in the office at the time with enough strength of character to make the necessary decision, at the risk of being disdained by Hollywood, the Kennedies, and Hillary Clinton.

[Cosmo_ac]

Oil and Weapons companies for starters, Ray. Any idea who happens to be involved in oil and weapons companies?