Do you think Manning deserves a SuperBowl Ring?

[Krokus]

I think he does.....I still say that he is the best all around QB in the game today, and I don't want to see him end up like Dan Marino, and not have anything to show for it. Do you think he deserves one? Or better yet, do you think he will get one?

[red indian]

.....my view is that......oh.....er.......sorry, is this another "faggot ball" thread?.......ok, my mistake.

[Krokus]

yes, it's clear that red wants to see manning get one, and I don't blame him, I wanna see it as well. What do all you real football fans out there think?

[red indian]

.....you seem to be picking up the idea! "see manning get one".....(up the arse).....geddit???.....it seems there is hope for you septics after all.

[Krokus]

Hey now, don't get me excited there red...:D

[tieler]

What does "deserve" have to do with it. You either win one or you don't.

[Krokus]

Yes, I agree, but all I am saying is that a QB with his type of talent, that plays with the kind of heart that he does, SHOULD have something to show for it. It's just my opinion. Look at Dan Marino...one of the greatest QB's that ever lived, if not the best...and he never got one...and it obviously WASN'T because of his lack of talent.

[naveltkltr1350]

trust me..it was heartbreak for me seeing dan marino never getting his superbowl ring. I am a HUGE Dolphins fan. I know how indy fans will feel if peyton never gets his!

[KoocheeKoo]

Indy has the offense to win a Super Bowl, but needs to improve their "D"....getting home field throughout the playoffs would also be a tremendous advantage in that dome (as opposed to playing outdoors in frigid Foxboro).

Does Peyton deserve a Super Bowl ring? Sure, and I hope he wins one someday....but I hope Michael Vick wins four or five before his career is over (can you tell I'm a rabid Atlanta Falcons fanatic? :D

[tieler]

Manning is talented and will have something to show for it. All things considered Manning should have a great career and I predict will go down as easily one of the best of his time, if not all time. But championships are won by teams, not individuals. Yes the Qb is the leader and the key component, but being a top notch Qb is no guarantee that he will win a super bowl or even make it to one. A lot of the greats have won the Super Bowl and a few never have. Marino, Kelly and Fouts spring to mind. All great QB's, they just never won the big one. it would be a shame if he never made it, but you can't say he didn't get his chance. he can work towards the goal of winning a SuperBowl everytime he steps on the field. So like I said, deserves got nothing to do with it. You want one, go get it. Never winning a super bowl would not diminish Mannings accomplishments anymore than winning one enlarges other QB's careers. Doug Williams won a Super Bowl and that is all he is known for. No one will ever mistake him for one of the all time greats. Lately one does not need a superstar QB to win it all. It has become a thing in recent years where athletes consider their careers incomplete if they never get their ring. Barkley, Malone etc. they have all played longer than was probably necessary in an attempt to get the ring. The Championship is the ultimate accomplishment, but not everyone will win it. And it certainly isn't from lack of trying. Only so many will play for a championship team. That is a fact of life. I understand the desire but it is kind of sad when all the great things an athlete does are somehow forgotten simply because they didn't win the big one.

[tieler]

All this championship talk has got me to thinking, who are the best players who have never won a championship? I can think of a few
OJ Simpson
Dan Marino
Dan Fouts
Jim Kelly

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone

Ernie Banks
Ted Williams

Any others?

[Double T]

Originally posted by tieler
All this championship talk has got me to thinking, who are the best players who have never won a championship? I can think of a few
OJ Simpson
Dan Marino
Dan Fouts
Jim Kelly

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone

Ernie Banks
Ted Williams

Any others?

Fran Tarkington.

[naveltkltr1350]

umm..did nolan ryan ever?

barry sanders didnt either..nor did the over looked thurman thomas(yeah how many forgot about him) and jim kelly combo..although they had chances too *coughscottnorwoodcough*

[naveltkltr1350]

Originally posted by Krokus
Yes, I agree, but all I am saying is that a QB with his type of talent, that plays with the kind of heart that he does, SHOULD have something to show for it. It's just my opinion. Look at Dan Marino...one of the greatest QB's that ever lived, if not the best...and he never got one...and it obviously WASN'T because of his lack of talent.

Krokus.. my opinion..he was one of the best to play. Elway just might be the greatest..although montana was good. Dan, Joe, John, it doesnt matter..they were superb field generals..some of the best that will ever play the game of football

[Dave2112]

Bernie Kosar was a great QB who never won a championship, as was Archie Manning and Bobby Hebert. I remember a Monday Night game in '92 where Kosar's Browns were playing the Dolphins and the Browns were down by 5 with a few minutes left. Kosar took a hit and clutched his ankle. He was taken to the bench and told the trainers to just "tape it up" and went back in to score the winning touchdown on a 75-yard drive. Later, they found out that his ankle was broken in two places.

"Faggot ball" indeed. At least our football players have enough brain cells to protect themselves and thier physical and mental futures, rather than being "real men" and becoming toothless retards by 29.

(Ahhh....another season approaches where Red and I can go at it again...:D )

[naveltkltr1350]

"Faggot ball" indeed. At least our football players have enough brain cells to protect themselves and thier physical and mental futures, rather than being "real men" and becoming toothless retards by 29. as qouted by dave...


LMFAO!! that is very true.

[kis123]

Originally posted by Dave2112
Bernie Kosar was a great QB who never won a championship, as was Archie Manning and Bobby Hebert. I remember a Monday Night game in '92 where Kosar's Browns were playing the Dolphins and the Browns were down by 5 with a few minutes left. Kosar took a hit and clutched his ankle. He was taken to the bench and told the trainers to just "tape it up" and went back in to score the winning touchdown on a 75-yard drive. Later, they found out that his ankle was broken in two places.

"Faggot ball" indeed. At least our football players have enough brain cells to protect themselves and thier physical and mental futures, rather than being "real men" and becoming toothless retards by 29.

(Ahhh....another season approaches where Red and I can go at it again...:D )

Bernie Kosar got his ring after Modell booted him off the Browns with "diminished skills". I couldn't stand Modell nor do I like his buzzards...oh, I mean Ravens.

I'm glad the Browns got rid of Tim "I really wish I could play football" Couch. I never liked him and he never made it past mediocre. I don't know anything about Garcia, but the quarterback controversy has been settled, and the other mini-scandals have been put to rest. I think they'll have a decent season, maybe even the playoffs perhaps. A girl can dream, right.

And as far as the "faggot ball" comments are concerned: All players of the NFL and their fans say "BITE ME"!!!!!

At these salaries, I know a whole lot of people would'nt mind playing faggot ball. How much do the people make in your unprotected, violent, basically useless sport? Is the criteria based on how low the IQ of the players are?

[Knox The Hatter]

Guess what, folks...
To win, it takes more than the greatest TALENT you've ever seen. It takes something within you.

It takes the ability to pull it out of your ass when it's on the line. Pure and simple. No ifs, ands, or buts. If Peyton Manning has that ability, he certainly hasn't exhibited it yet. Please, no more crocodile tears. If he learns how to do that, more power to him. As time goes on, though, it becomes more questionable, and the crocodile tears are wasted.

The New York Yankees, it might vex SOME of you to learn, won five World Series in a row, from '49 through '53, with three of those against opponents who were better on paper (yes, Milagros, we know, please be quiet). How did they do it? Well, any team would count itself blessed to have just one pitcher who, when the chips were down, could be counted upon to go out and win on the day that they had to win. Period. Now, could Greg Maddux or Tom Glavine be included in company like that? NO. And neither could Don Newcombe...
The Yankees had THREE. Three pitchers who could pull it out of their ass. Ed Lopat (a more reliable earlier version of Jamie Moyer), Vic Raschi (aggressive fastballs and curves), and Allie Reynolds, a Native American from Oklahoma who threw blinding speed. That wasn't all. The Yankees also had every day position players who always came through when it was on the line. Players who go out and do it when it's on the line win. Guys who really look good, only to fail at crunch time don't.

On Dan Marino: A sportswriter with a major newspaper once told me that if you pressed his teammates, you'd find out the extent to which they all hated him. A clue?

[giantfan121262]

Originally posted by tieler
All this championship talk has got me to thinking, who are the best players who have never won a championship? I can think of a few
OJ Simpson
Dan Marino
Dan Fouts
Jim Kelly

Charles Barkley
Karl Malone

Ernie Banks
Ted Williams

Any others?

Patrick Ewing
Donnie Baseball
Tony Gwynn

Another ?, did Cal Ripkin Jr. win in 1983? If not, I think you can add him to the list.

[giantfan121262]

As well as having that inner spirit within you, you also have to have a good supporting cast. Football is a team game and if there is one player who blows an assignement, then the play is busted. No matter how much talent you have. I think the Indy offense can do it with the receivers and James to keep the LB's honest. I think the key is the offensive line. you need the guys to block so Manning can set up in the pocket (no, the guy can't scramble like Vick, so he is not a multi dimensional QB). Think about it, when Montana won in SF, the had Jerry rice and John Taylor as his wide outs, and a pro Bowl TE in Brent Jones and Roger Craig. when he went to KC, he didn't win shit.

[q-ball]

Giantfan ,You forgot one of baseballs great players who never won a championship and that man is 'The Wizzard of Oz" Ozzy Smith.I think of all the short stops over the years who can't hold a candle to the way Ozzy played ss it was his domiane, and nobody except for Ray Ordoniez(?) came close.I think he dersevers one, don't you?

q -ball

[TickledToDeath]

In order to deserve a superbowl ring one has to win one. Since Manning did not win one, ergo he has yet to deserve one.


TTD

[giantfan121262]

Originally posted by q-ball
Giantfan ,You forgot one of baseballs great players who never won a championship and that man is 'The Wizzard of Oz" Ozzy Smith.I think of all the short stops over the years who can't hold a candle to the way Ozzy played ss it was his domiane, and nobody except for Ray Ordoniez(?) came close.I think he dersevers one, don't you?

q -ball

Yes. good point. I forgot about him. BTW, Rey Ordonez isn't a pimple on his ass.

[tieler]

Giantfan ,You forgot one of baseballs great players who never won a championship and that man is 'The Wizzard of Oz" Ozzy Smith.I think of all the short stops over the years who can't hold a candle to the way Ozzy played ss it was his domiane, and nobody except for Ray Ordoniez(?) came close.I think he dersevers one, don't you?

Ozzy Smith was a member of the 1982 St. Louis Cardinals who defeated the Milwaukee Brewers in the World Series.

did Cal Ripkin Jr. win in 1983? If not, I think you can add him to the list

Ripken was a member of the 1983 World Series champion Baltimore Orioles.

With his retirement, we can count Jeff Bagwell as a great player who never won a World Series.

Some current greats who have never won:
Barry Bonds
Nomar Garciaparra
Mike Piazza
Alex Rodriguez

[bugman]

No one *deserves* a Super Bowl ring,a World Series ring or anything else.Like another poster said,you will one or you don't it just that simple.

[isabeau]

I think he does.....I still say that he is the best all around QB in the game today, and I don't want to see him end up like Dan Marino, and not have anything to show for it. Do you think he deserves one? Or better yet, do you think he will get one?

damn this is an old thread..but i'll say yes...

[Angel_2]

Don't worry Eli will get his ring soon enough :jester: oh you thought I ment his bother didn't you :jester: :bump:

[bugman]

The day SheLia gets a Super Bowl ring will be the same day hell freezes over.He might be the most over rated qb in the NFL,if it were not for his family name,he would have to go out and get a real job. :) Hmm ,the Chargers got Phillp Rivers and Sean Meriman in that trade i believe,who would you rather have?And i say this as a lifelong Chiefs fan,i wish the bolts would have kept Shelia.

[Angel_2]

The day SheLia gets a Super Bowl ring will be the same day hell freezes over.He might be the most over rated qb in the NFL,if it were not for his family name,he would have to go out and get a real job. :) Hmm ,the Chargers got Phillp Rivers and Sean Meriman in that trade i believe,who would you rather have?And i say this as a lifelong Chiefs fan,i wish the bolts would have kept Shelia.

This coming from a Chiefs fan thats team gose nowhere season after season. tell you what you worry about your team and I'll worry about mine. :wavingguy but one day Eli will get his Ring

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Deserve it??? I thought you earned it??? If he doesn't earn it, then what do you think. If he thinks he deserves one then he needs to find out where all these guys pawn their rings when they need money and buy it. Otherwise, go out and play for it. He has choked in every big spot imaginable.

[kis123]

This coming from a Chiefs fan thats team gose nowhere season after season. tell you what you worry about your team and I'll worry about mine. :wavingguy but one day Eli will get his Ring

The only award Eli Manning deserves is "biggest baby in the history of the NFL draft." When you're drafted, you go where you're told. Instead he cries until he gets his way. I can't stand crybaby men and Eli's the worst IMO!

I like Peyton Manning, but the Colts will win almost every game in a season and choke in the playoffs. Maybe this year they'll be better and go all the way.

[pghtickleguy]

In my opinion I don't think Peyton will ever win a championship. The key word in win and add to that a winner. He has all the talent in the world but he isn't a winner. Go back to his college days. Tennessee had a very good team and they didn't win with him but the very next year with Tee Martin they win the title. They had the same team and Tee Martin won it for them. He was drafted by the Steelers the next year and has been out of football for a few years. How can Tee Martin lead a team to a championship and Peyton can't? Look at last year in the playoffs for the Colts. Peyton got to a point where he went against the coach on a 4th down play and shooed his special teams off the field. Look where it got them. He is unfortunately on a team that has a defense of swiss cheese but still I just don't think he has what it takes to win. Eli as soon as he matures will be fine. I still think he is the most talented out of the quarterback pack that came out a few years ago and we even have Big Ben who has done the most out of all of them so far. Time will tell......

[tieler]

Thought I would bump this thread, even though, as we all know, the original point of the thread is now moot.

Now the real question is, can Peyton repeat and put himself in the same company as the other all time championship QB's like Bradshaw, Montana, Brady, and Aikman? All of whom won multiple Super Bowls.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Thought I would bump this thread, even though, as we all know, the original point of the thread is now moot.

Now the real question is, can Peyton repeat and put himself in the same company as the other all time championship QB's like Bradshaw, Montana, Brady, and Aikman? All of whom won multiple Super Bowls.

I think he'll win two, but I'm just glad he won one. I just don't think he'll get another one until the end of his career.

[tieler]

Any particular reason why you think it will be a while before Peyton gets another one?

Most QB's who rack up multiple Super Bowl championships usually win them very closely together. Brady and Aikman won 3 in 4 seasons, Bradshaw won 4 in 6. Montana spread his 4 out over 9 seasons, but he did win two in a row.

I would say the more likelier scenario would be Peyton winning another one, sooner than later. The time is right for the Colts, a perennial contender, to win at least one more within the next two seasons. After that the usual reasons (age, free agency, and up and coming teams) will take their toll on the Colts, and Peyton's, ability to win another one.