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New2u
10-02-2004, 10:23 PM
9/29/04 Case Against George W. Bush

by Tim Crlenjak

www.eurekareporter.com

Greetings, fans of invective hyperbole. I'll wrap up the case against George W. Bush and move on.

I am agnostic on a good day, and as such I am amazed at the human obsession with religion. As a cradle Catholic, many good people did their best, but I just never got it. Yes, I fear suffering and death and send prayers and wishes out all day, but to whom or what, I don't know. A favorite quote from a forgotten scientist: "Human beings exude
meaning like bees exude wax." The price of frontal lobes is the question: What does it all mean?

What it means to the president is important. In Bob Woodward's "Plan of Attack," George W. Bush was asked if he ever consulted with his father, George H. W. Bush, concerning a possible second war with Iraq. The answer: "He's the wrong father to appeal to for advice. The wrong father to go to, to appeal to in terms of strength. There's a higher father that I appeal to."

Oh, really? Is this inadequate father the same father who has carried your feckless butt through most of your vapid life. The same weak father who, as a World War II combat aviator, had his plane shot out of the sky and rode his hemp-roped parachute into the sea. UN Ambassador. CIA
director. Vice president.

The same weak president who stood up to his party faithful (flip-flop) and raised taxes to help retire the massive Reagan deficits? The same father who put together a coalition that included even Syria for a military action that was as successful as wars can be and was 90 percent paid for by our allies? Our blood, our equipment, their money. The same father who wrote a book on what not to do in Iraq?

Is it dawning on you yet, fellow patriots? Your president, in his rush to war failed to talk about it with the only other president to invade Iraq! A president who just happens to be his father.

Is that what this tragedy boils down to? The fabled and proverbial: father-son nightmare. The cocky punk, who couldn't be bothered in the Guard, has to show Daddy up. Has to show Daddy how to do it.

There you have it, folks. A father-son debacle and religious miasma. Another one from the Woodward collection: "'History,' (Bush) said, shrugging, taking his hands out of his pockets, extending his arms and suggesting with his body language that it was so far off. 'We won't know. We'll all be dead.'"

Yeah, eventually, but don't you want your daughters to live? Grandchildren? You'll be in Judeo-Christian paradise and your Muslim nutcase counterparts will be in Islamic paradise. Those of us left behind will have to pick up the pieces.

Is that all this is? Five thousand years of Abrahamic tradition (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), centuries of hatred and suffering, all comes down to yet another blood-soaked century? The Bible and Koran hijacked by the war-mongering minority.

And the rest of us, including the rational religious majority, are supposed to just say nothing? That rational majority had better get off their butts because it is not looking good. God vs. Allah? Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, atheists, agnostics, pagans, all just have to sit back while the "Abrahamics" have their little Armageddon?

MrMacphisto
10-02-2004, 10:31 PM
I don't know who this writer is, but man... he's good...

venray
10-02-2004, 10:36 PM
New...If you have a point of discussion, please enlighten us, but randomly posting articles from obscure papers' editorial pages with no rhyme or reason is a waste of space in the forum.

If you do it, anyone can post a hundred more for or against either side.

Enough please.

Ray

New2u
10-03-2004, 05:50 PM
My idea behind my posting these articles is to intiate the discussions and for people to place their opinion on them. I thought that was the reason behind having the "TMF Politics & Religion Forum". I fail to understand what you mean by stating that is has "no rhyme or reason and is a waste of space on the forum"? Venray, please "enlighten" me further and I will cease doing this.

venray
10-03-2004, 08:55 PM
If you have a point to discuss, feel free, but starting thread after thread like this with no comment is just plain silly. As I said, that type of posting is a waste of space.

Anyone can go to a site that is anti Bush or anti Kerry and flood us with this type of stuff. I personally see no need to have 4 or 5 threads all similar in nature that just becomes a chore to moderate.

As I have said, if you have a point or want to refer us to a site to read this stuff, fine, but the copy paste method of posting editorial opinionated comments directed against either candidate has no real value......


Ray

TKpervert
10-03-2004, 09:40 PM
Siding with Ven on this one.

And no, MrMacphisto, this writer is not good, just self-absorbed.

kurchatovium
10-03-2004, 11:00 PM
I have to agree with ven to on this as well. It is easy to find tons of people and sites on the left and on the right. The real problem becomes in finding information that is verifiable or is at least based on facts that are documented. It is one of the reasons I often do not participate that much here as my real life has become so busy that I do not have time to look up all these real facts and figures. So I prefer not too post just me ranting on about this subject or another (well ok I do post a few ;) ) if I can not contribute any real substance to the discussion. Just my opinion though.

redway10
10-03-2004, 11:27 PM
Siding with New on this one.

George W. Bush doesn't want to be the leader of America, he wants to be the leader of the world's most Protestant country.

Unfortunately, if Christianity is as real as the Tooth Fairy, you have a Presidency built on highly questionable tunnel-vision.

The Democrats readily admitted that they got killed in the conventions, but the Republicans are having a real hard time that they got killed in the first debate.

Tunnel-vision is not pretty, it is not flexible, and it is not gracious. It is dangerous and usually ignorant (see the debate for a good example of that).

George W. Bush should start explaining to America that his policies have cut the number of dangerous sworn enemies of America in half; and stop vote-buying with our children's future.

Oh yeah, and he should stop trying to be a "true Christian President" (unlike his heathen father who didn't finish the Crusade against Saddam for "practical" reasons - like a nasty power vacuum we are seeing right now).

Candlewicke
10-04-2004, 01:21 AM
I am with New on this one. I really like the way he always posts well-written articles filled with plenty of ideas - that then spark more ideas in the reader.

Candlewicke

New2u
10-04-2004, 01:22 AM
Venray, I got you. You want me to make "personal" comments on any article that I post. Ok, I will do that. Your reason is different from mine but...you are the moderator and the "control Voice" that takes us from the "inner mind" to..."the outer limits".

I'll do that from here on. But do me this little favor, would you talk with JimBlast about his "outbursts"? I don't particularly care for him saying that I "hate" America, capitalism or whatever. His comments, I consider, were Personal and there's no place for that kind of behavior.

Oh, Redway10 & candlewicke, thanks for your support, I do appreciate that.

venray
10-04-2004, 11:12 AM
JB has already been spoken to, but that didnt happen within this thread. When you have a problem that one of us miss, please report the post or PM me and I will take care of it ASAP. That goes for any of you.

I have no problem with the content that you post, just try to put related stuff in one thread instead of dumping it into 4 or 5.

A comment or two is always welcome to let us know where you are coming from with the material.

I am no control voice and it is usually those that start the threads that take us to the outer limits, lol.

I just like to see the debate flow a little more smoothly.

What you post is up to you. What others think of it is up to them. My opinions I shall endeavor to keep to myself, for I find it to be a large waste of personal time to post them here. They will not have any effect on the election in the long run.

:D

New2u
10-04-2004, 12:33 PM
Venray, I will do as you asked. I hope you didn't take "The Outer Limits" joke as anything disrespectful, I meant no disrespect to you, I was making another "feeble" attempt at being funny to calm the situation.

venray
10-04-2004, 01:02 PM
;) ditto.....