F/M tickling

[metroguy2k4]

Okay, here's what I don't get. I know people on this board have asked this before, but it has to be said again: what is up with the lack of f/m tickling in the tickle community?

I've been perusing this and other tickle sites for years now and I've noticed the following:

1) F/M tickle clips are the least common --- we're lucky to get one a month, and even then it's usually in some kind of weird format where most people can't use it.

2) When ladies admit to enjoying the tickling of men, they are often harassed, insulted, etc. This is usually done by some of the males in the tickle fetish world who seem to get upset whenever the subject of women tickling men comes up. Also, ladies who enjoy tickling are seemingly expected to "switch" and be 'lees as well, but men are never expected to switch roles. What's wrong with women just enjoying the 'ler role?

3) The Tickling Personals section of this site is filled with posts by men who are practically begging for a woman to tickle them, and yet the big tickling video companies all say there's no demand for f/m stuff. This makes absolutely no sense! If I had the capital, I'd start my own f/m video company (with DeNiro or some of the other f/m fans on this site) and laugh all the way to the bank.

I can only conclude the following: even in the fetish world, f/m is the least "socially acceptable" form of tickling. Perhaps it's because so many men still can't stand the thought of the woman being in control. Perhaps guys are secretly afraid of their female companions finding out how ticklish they are for a change. Perhaps f/m fans are still in the closet, so to speak. Whatever the case, I'd like to hear anyone who agrees with me to speak out on the subject more often. The video companies are in business to make money, and if they know there's a huge demand for f/m stuff out there, they'll start producing such things.

I also think female 'lers should start being more aggressive with tickling in their day-to-day life. I've read hundreds of stories about the guys on this site tickling girls at the office, the pool, on the street, etc. Girls who like to tickle should follow suit. Ladies, I challenge each of you to tickle someone new today. Especially if you're in the DC Metro area, because then I might get lucky and run into you. :)

[natural tickler]

Maybe because for the majority of folks on this board, its either f/f, or m/f:D

[kis123]

Hey!

I'm a female who enjoys being the ler! I occassionally take one for the team and switch, but I love tickling folks. I'm an equal opportunity tickler-gender, race, politics (sometimes;) ) have no bearing on me. Bring 'em all on!!!!!!

I don't mind watching f/f, f/m, or m/f. I've gotten fun and benefits out of each. I've even looked at m/m. As long as they don't do anything sexual, and I prefer them with some sort of clothing on. The nudity does nothing for me!

I can't wait to get done with school! I just may have to find someone to get between my fingers! Any volunteers????:devil: :devil:

[metroguy2k4]

Kis,

Ohio, eh? Well, if I ever find time to make it out to the Buckeye State, I would definitely take you up on that offer!

[featherfingers]

Originally posted by kis123
Hey!I can't wait to get done with school! I just may have to find someone to get between my fingers! Any volunteers????:devil: :devil:

Ah hah! The other day you got on my case because you weren't #1 on my list of tickle ladies! Yet, you ask for volunteers when you know all along I would gladly submit to your tickling ways! Kis, Kis, Kis. I thought I apologized and we "Kis'd" and made up. Well, one day I'll be in Ohio and you'll be asleep... (I know, here we go with the sleeping ladies again)... keep your door open for me. (I love to be tickled by women and 'control' is not an issue to me. I'll gladly be submissive to you).

[tklshchris]

kis123,

Where in Ohio are you from. I live in Indiana, but was raised a buckeye. My whole family still lives there.

I am a male in his early 30's that is extremely ticklish.

[Dutchess]

I am female ler and I enjoy men who ticklish and would love to see more females tickling males sites and videos.

[TickledToDeath]

I am into being on the receiving end of a merciless tickling as much as I love being on the Giving end.
Control is not an issue. Not even thought of really as far as being an issue itself. The tickler is in control yes but like I said, I am into both being the ler and the lee.
AS far as vids go, I and shygirl have been wanting to make one INTENSE, UNmerciful tickle torture vid of me as the victim for some time now and ONE gal has come forward showing interest but we just could not all get on the same page including the person taping the vid. Shygirl however wanted more than one other gal assisting her in my demise and torment but nobody else has come forward wanting to be caught on tape as it were. While that itself is understood. The stuff that IS out there in the F/M world is as LAME as it gets for the most part. Very little has any value whatsoever.
As for websites etc. from what I have seen and or heard of, the market is shallow for any success of any vid or website so most folks say "why the frig bother"?
Gals I guess just don't buy tickle vids I guess.

Shygirl and I would LOVE to produce the most ruthlessly unmerciful tickle torture of a male vid imaginable but personally, I don't think you gals can handle it!:p :p :p :p :p

Seriously, I am questioning the market for it.

TTD

[steph]

(taking notes on frankie...)

XOXO

Originally posted by featherfingers
(I love to be tickled by women and 'control' is not an issue to me. I'll gladly be submissive to you).

[Belly Button]

Male 'lee chiming in to say:

Women and their wonderful tickling fingers, what would this world be without them?

[lergirl69]

2) When ladies admit to enjoying the tickling of men, they are often harassed, insulted, etc. This is usually done by some of the males in the tickle fetish world who seem to get upset whenever the subject of women tickling men comes up. Also, ladies who enjoy tickling are seemingly expected to "switch" and be 'lees as well, but men are never expected to switch roles. What's wrong with women just enjoying the 'ler role?

This is something I've been wodnering for some time now. I'm a ler because I love making people laugh (through tickling or non). It gives me a bigger high than ME laughing. I've never had a problem with any of the lovely men on this board but I do get harassed on IM a bit. Which is why there is an ignore button. ;)

[lergirl69]

As far as the lack of F/M tickling videos, I just don't think as many women buy tickling videos as men do. As much as I love tickling, I don't have any. And men, though there are many who love F/M might be reluctant to buy a f/m video (and truth be told, a lot of them seem crappy).

[kis123]

Originally posted by lergirl69
As far as the lack of F/M tickling videos, I just don't think as many women buy tickling videos as men do. As much as I love tickling, I don't have any. And men, though there are many who love F/M might be reluctant to buy a f/m video (and truth be told, a lot of them seem crappy).

Hey lergirl! Long time, no hear! Where the heck have you been?

Getting back to the thread:

I've bought my share of videos, mostly because I'm still relatively new to the scene and am always looking for pointers and tips to make my victims....uh lees happy!;) The m/f and m/m do tend to look a little unpolished.....well actually crappy! Maybe if the quality gets improved, they'd sell better.

I did see one good m/m clip where the ler had his lee laughing like a hyena on crack! I would've loved to hear him in a full clip. He was totally helpless and his ler totally unmerciful! It was great!!:devil:

[lergirl69]

Hey kis....I've been travelling the last few months, spreading my tickles wherever I go. ;)

I've taken a liking to m/m tickling. m/m, f/m, octopus/male....they're all good to me! :)

[magic fingers]

I agree w/all of this. As a fan of F/M tickling, I can't understand why 90% of the tickling stories, and discussions are M/F. It's been my experience that most women simply aren't into being tickled, so they're not going to be interested in tickling somebody else. I think women who aren't ticklish will more likely engage in some f/m tickling, because they don't have to worry about retribution. Maybe it's because, Men are "expected" to be the aggressors when it comes to any kind of sexual flirting. I mean face it - if a man pursues a woman then thats ok, but if a woman aggressively pursues a man, then she's not being "ladylike" or too pushy or too easy. It's definitely a double standard. Regardless I'd like to see more F/M tickling

[kurchatovium]

Me too Me too. :D :D :p

[lergirl69]

Kurch....I KNOW you're on board with this concept *nudge nudge wink wink* ;)

[kis123]

Originally posted by lergirl69
Kurch....I KNOW you're on board with this concept *nudge nudge wink wink* ;)

more like *nudge, nudge, wink, wink, tickle, tickle*

Hello kurch! Have 'ya missed me, my little lamb chop?????:devil:

[lergirl69]

Well, you'll have to read between the ticklish lines of *nudge nudge* :D

[kis123]

Originally posted by lergirl69
Well, you'll have to read between the ticklish lines of *nudge nudge* :D

A little slow on the uptake, but I catch on eventually!;) :D

[kurchatovium]

Well I see two of my favorite lers are back. You ready to reek more tickling havoc on the male community. :D :D wink wink. Hehehehe

[kis123]

Originally posted by kurchatovium
Well I see two of my favorite lers are back. You ready to reek more tickling havoc on the male community. :D :D wink wink. Hehehehe

I don't know, kurch. Now that lergirl is back, you can be tickled while I'm at school. We could either tickle you in shifts, or tag-team or double-team tickle you straight into insanity!!:firedevil :firedevil

[kurchatovium]

Lets try all of the above. Woooooohooooooooooo. :D :D :p

[kis123]

Originally posted by kurchatovium
Lets try all of the above. Woooooohooooooooooo. :D :D :p

attaboy, my little ticklish lambchop!!!;) ;) :devil: :devil:

[Psycho]

Im a dude and I love to be tickled by women.

Psycho

[kurchatovium]

You have come to the right place then. :D :D

[kis123]

Originally posted by Psycho
Im a dude and I love to be tickled by women.

Psycho

Welcome, my little pork chop! I'm a female ler who loves to tickle men. I think you're going to do well around here!:devil: :devil:

[metroguy2k4]

I am very proud of myself for starting this thread! (Patting self on back) I knew we could get the female 'lers to come out of the woodwork!

[jchenard]

I am a very sesitive and fun male lee that would love to find a challenge in this wonderful state. john@broadspin.com


- John

[tactillianlover]

If I were semi-rich, I would have a female tickler
three times a week. (For medicinal purposes, of course!)

:devil:

[BellaRisa]

Originally posted by metroguy2k4

The Tickling Personals section of this site is filled with posts by men who are practically begging for a woman to tickle them, and yet the big tickling video companies all say there's no demand for f/m stuff. This makes absolutely no sense! If I had the capital, I'd start my own f/m video company (with DeNiro or some of the other f/m fans on this site) and laugh all the way to the bank.



Um, I don't think BellaRisa counts as a big company yet (working on it!) but we're *definitely* working on this, have been for awhile. It hasn't been easy for two reasons:

A) Stoic 'lees. Several of the potential males I've wanted to use were just too darn QUIET and non-squirmy for a fun video, and at the risk of being self-promoting and corny, we refuse to release a clip or vid that's no fun to watch. I know what *I* want to see, and that's what we're aiming for.

2) Location. We would very much like to use someone from this forum, rather than just a model, if we possibly can. Nearly ALL of the gentlemen that have answered our ads have been too far away to take seriously. We don't want to agree to use a young man that's coming from Wyoming or Chicago, only to find that he's not someone we can use and send him home. Seriously,I have yet to have a usable male IN Columbus respond. We're working on this but it's been ridiculous so far :sowrong:

The good news is that we *are* working on this aspect of our business and I believe we'll have quality stuff for ya soon, it's awesome to see a thread like this!

Bella

[metroguy2k4]

Bella, I know what you mean about we men being stoic 'lees. I think we react a bit differently to tickling than women do. I've noticed that when women are tickled, they tend to thrash around, try to break free, avoid the tickling, and laugh loudly. When I'm tickled, I basically don't move a lot, other than try to curl up or reflexively jerk. Also, I don't make a lot of sounds, though lots of "silent laughter" emanates from me, if you know what I'm saying. It's not that I'm not feeling the tickling --- I guarantee you I am (lol) --- it's just that men and women react differently to the same feelings of ticklishness. But I can see how a video might not seem as fun if there isn't loud laughter, etc.

[BellaRisa]

Originally posted by metroguy2k4
Bella, I know what you mean about we men being stoic 'lees. I think we react a bit differently to tickling than women do. I've noticed that when women are tickled, they tend to thrash around, try to break free, avoid the tickling, and laugh loudly. When I'm tickled, I basically don't move a lot, other than try to curl up or reflexively jerk. Also, I don't make a lot of sounds, though lots of "silent laughter" emanates from me, if you know what I'm saying. It's not that I'm not feeling the tickling --- I guarantee you I am (lol) --- it's just that men and women react differently to the same feelings of ticklishness. But I can see how a video might not seem as fun if there isn't loud laughter, etc.



I quoted your whole post because it you hit it just right. In play just for my pleasure I have no problem with a 'lee such as yourself, because a seasoned 'ler knows when reactions are real: the twitching of the muscles, the shaking and quivering that comes from quiet agony...it's all good, silent suffering is still suffering :firedevil. But I shudder to think of the nastygrams that would flow if we released something for our loyal fans to watch that consisted of a cute guy quietly twitching :wow: Nope, not gonna happen. Having said that, I *know* there are appropriately responsive males in this town and I *will* find them (insert evil laugh)...:cool:

Bella

[kis123]

Originally posted by bella
I quoted your whole post because it you hit it just right. In play just for my pleasure I have no problem with a 'lee such as yourself, because a seasoned 'ler knows when reactions are real: the twitching of the muscles, the shaking and quivering that comes from quiet agony...it's all good, silent suffering is still suffering :firedevil. But I shudder to think of the nastygrams that would flow if we released something for our loyal fans to watch that consisted of a cute guy quietly twitching :wow: Nope, not gonna happen. Having said that, I *know* there are appropriately responsive males in this town and I *will* find them (insert evil laugh)...:cool:

Bella

I've seen some of your work. I almost feel sorry for the poor victim....uh...I mean male lee! Many of us are waiting for your f/m tickling masterpiece with bated breath!:D

[lergirl69]

bella, if ou'd like...I'll volunteer to go to Columbus and tickle all the men there....and then give you a list of names of the best responders. It's all for the cause! :devil2:

[kis123]

Originally posted by lergirl69
bella, if ou'd like...I'll volunteer to go to Columbus and tickle all the men there....and then give you a list of names of the best responders. It's all for the cause! :devil2:

Now that you mention it....

I'm only a few hours away from Columbus. I can be a "rent a ler" to help you in casting some of the possible candidates. :devil: What a sweet deal!!!!! :D

[lergirl69]

kis....we could work as a team....no foot left unturned. ;)

[kis123]

Originally posted by lergirl69
kis....we could work as a team....no foot left unturned. ;)

That's right-a partnership specializing in tickle therapy! Now all we need are a few patients. Any volunteers???:D :D :devil:

[kurchatovium]

Hey lergirl aren't you are suppose to come to California first? LOL :D :D ;) :p

[evilwomanhehe]

I am SO ler and SO into f/m. There should be more f/m material out there...but (sigh) unfortunately, there isn't. :rolleyes: :( :sowrong:

[kurchatovium]

I agree evil there needs to be much more f/m content. As a male lee I like it very very much too. Hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe I should hire myself out as a tickle victim to help all you ladies out. :D :D :p

[kis123]

Originally posted by kurchatovium
I agree evil there needs to be much more f/m content. As a male lee I like it very very much too. Hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe I should hire myself out as a tickle victim to help all you ladies out. :D :D :p

One day, my little lamb chop! One day.............:devil: :devil:

[BellaRisa]

Originally posted by kis123
I've seen some of your work. I almost feel sorry for the poor victim....uh...I mean male lee! Many of us are waiting for your f/m tickling masterpiece with bated breath!:D

That's quite a compliment, thank you!!:smilelove

Bella

[DeNiro]

This is a very good topic and a source of my extreme displeasure with the tickling community...

Here are my thoughts:



-f/m is HOT and definately not gay because when I watch f/m vids/clips, I envision MYSELF as the lee, I dont even see the dude in the clip 99% of the time.

-m/f and f/f are so INCREDIBLY played out that I wouldnt walk across the street to watch either one for free!

-as soon as anything f/m becomes available on the Net, I whip out the credit card...no pun intended...as do many of my f/m loving brethren. When the F will these vidoe producing bastards learn????


-Y'all just wait til I bust out with a digital camcorder and make my own f/m videos...I will produce so many and bombard the community with new stuff that the balance will be at the very least even...if not in our favor.

[BellaRisa]

" When the F will these vidoe producing bastards learn????"

Um, Deniro, did you read my post? It's not a matter of learning, we
know, trust me ;)

Bella

[DeNiro]

how can you be having trouble finding a male lee to do the video???


come to Mass and I am your guy!!!



I'd even fly out to Ohio if youre truly a female and even remotely cute

[kis123]

Originally posted by DeNiro
how can you be having trouble finding a male lee to do the video???


come to Mass and I am your guy!!!



I'd even fly out to Ohio if youre truly a female and even remotely cute

Dude, buy a plane ticket!!!

She is 100% female and I think she's pretty cute in her videos. And that's a high compliment coming from one chick to another!:D :D

[kurchatovium]

Hey maybe me and kis could star in a video. :D :D :p It could be called "Ticklish Lamb Chop". :D :D :p

[kis123]

Originally posted by kurchatovium
Hey maybe me and kis could star in a video. :D :D :p It could be called "Ticklish Lamb Chop". :D :D :p

Hmmmm....let's see......That does have a nice ring to it! Who has the videocamera??:D :D :devil:

[kurchatovium]

Your not going to be as sadistic as bella is are you kis123? ;) :D :D :p

[kis123]

Originally posted by kurchatovium
Your not going to be as sadistic as bella is are you kis123? ;) :D :D :p

As ofr you and those tender tootsies........extra sadistic!!!:devil:

[kurchatovium]

Oh boy Oh Boy Oh boy Oh boy. :D :D :redheart: :p So what you prefer for the video? stocks, spread eagle, etc?

[Double T]

Originally posted by steph
(taking notes on frankie...)

XOXO

Buy another notepad for me, hon!

It seems that I've seen my own take on this issue. Many men don't mind f/m, as long as they're the m. I LOVE being the 'lee, as well as a 'ler. I think 'lees have the most fun, but that's just a matter of taste, I suspect. Anyway, as ashamed to admit it as I am, I avoid f/m clips, videos, publications like the plauge! I suppose it's because it just doesn't do anything for me. I have tried. I've read f/m stories, looked at a photo or two, seen brief scenes in majorly m/f videos, and I guess it's just not my cup of tea.

But keep that other notebook handy, steph. I'll tell you anything you want to know!

Unless you'd have more fun "persuading" me!!!

[steph]

:tickle: :tickle:

Originally posted by Double T
Buy another notepad for me, hon!

It seems that I've seen my own take on this issue. Many men don't mind f/m, as long as they're the m. I LOVE being the 'lee, as well as a 'ler. I think 'lees have the most fun, but that's just a matter of taste, I suspect. Anyway, as ashamed to admit it as I am, I avoid f/m clips, videos, publications like the plauge! I suppose it's because it just doesn't do anything for me. I have tried. I've read f/m stories, looked at a photo or two, seen brief scenes in majorly m/f videos, and I guess it's just not my cup of tea.

But keep that other notebook handy, steph. I'll tell you anything you want to know!

Unless you'd have more fun "persuading" me!!!