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Limeoutsider
10-11-2004, 02:00 PM
BAGHDAD, Iraq - An Islamic Web site on Monday showed the beheading of two hostages — one a Turkish contractor and the other an Iraqi Kurdish translator wearing a badge of the Titan security company.
A statement said the two were killed by the Ansar al-Sunnah Army, which also claimed responsibility for slaughtering 12 Nepalese workers and three Iraqi Kurds on Aug. 31.


Also Monday, the Arabic language television station Al-Arabiya broadcast a video showing three hooded gunmen threatening to behead another Turkish hostage within three days unless the Americans release all Iraqi prisoners and all Turks leave Iraq (news - web sites). A written statement appearing on the video showing the beheadings accused the Kurdish translator of participating in raids with U.S. troops in the Ramadi area. A second statement claimed the Turkish contractor was working for the Americans at an air base north of the capital. The Kurdish hostage identified himself as Luqman Hussein and said he worked with U.S. forces at an agricultural site in Ramadi. He said he was captured en route to Baghdad, about 70 miles east of Ramadi.
The tape did not say where the Turk was captured.
The videotape warned foreigners against coming to Iraq "for making cheap earthly profits by being allies with the Crusaders in their war on Islam." The tape broadcast by Al-Arabiya television showed three gunmen standing behind a hostage said to be a Turkish truck driver. One of the gunmen identified the kidnappers as members of Tawhid and Jihad, Iraq's most feared terror group that has been responsible for beheading several foreign hostages in Iraq. However, the tape did not feature the group's banner, which has always appeared in Tawhid and Jihad video statements. "We of the group of Tawhid and Jihad announce ... that we will cut off the head of this hostage if our demands are not met," the speaker said as the hostage's eyes darted from one side to another. "We have long warned them not to enter the land of Islam and land of Jihad, the land of Iraq." The video showed the hostage's passport but the name could not be determined. Insurgents in Iraq have kidnapped more than 150 foreigners in their campaign to drive out coalition forces and hamper reconstruction. Most have been kidnapped for ransom and freed unharmed, but at least 28 have been killed by their abductors.


The Ansar al-Sunnah Army also claimed responsibility for beheading an Iraqi hostage in October, saying the man was an Iraqi contractor at the U.S. military base of Taji, north of Baghdad. It vowed to hunt down others helping the U.S. military. On Sunday, Al-Jazeera television said 10 employees of the Turkish construction company VISNAN have been freed by kidnappers. They were said to have been held by another Islamic group, the Salafist Brigades of Abu Bakr al-Siddiq. The Ankara-based VINSAN company also could not confirm the release. An employee, speaking on condition of anonymity, said efforts to have their employees released were continuing "positively." He could not give any further details.


(SUBS lead to correct that it was Kurdish translator STED Turkish contractor wearing security badge, UPDATES throughout with more details and killings claimed by Al-Sunnah Army; ADDS byline)

milagros317
10-11-2004, 04:07 PM
These peoplea are proud of the cold-blooded murders that they commit. :sowrong: :sowrong: :sowrong:

jugner
10-11-2004, 04:40 PM
It always comes down to choice, no-one is forced to watch, just don't look if you don't want to see it. I don't agree with it, but you don't have to look if you don't want to see it.

naveltkltr1350
10-11-2004, 05:50 PM
i wish i owned a fighter jet with an assortment of bombs...id take it to em.

Cosmo_ac
10-11-2004, 07:29 PM
Immoral actions result in Immoral reactions. Disapointing for both sides really, and a waste of human life how ever you look at it.

leafstk
10-12-2004, 06:14 PM
However you spin it, its just sick :sowrong:

milagros317
10-12-2004, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by jugner
It always comes down to choice, no-one is forced to watch, just don't look if you don't want to see it. I don't agree with it, but you don't have to look if you don't want to see it.

I have exercised my choice by not watching it.

My point is still that posting the clips of the beheadings shows that these murderers are proud of what they have done. :sowrong: :sowrong: :sowrong:

Cosmo_ac
10-12-2004, 10:35 PM
I'm not sure if it means there proud of it. However, it does tend to create fear, which is one of the main reasons they do it.

Limeoutsider
10-14-2004, 01:13 AM
I didnt look, just posted as a FYI Although after the Berg thing I wanted to go behead people

Cosmo_ac
10-14-2004, 06:02 PM
Keep in mind Lime, the Berge beheading was, if i remember correctly, in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse episode. Like i said, immoral actions cause immoral reactions.

milagros317
10-14-2004, 06:26 PM
My reaction to the beheading of Nick Berg back in May was the same as Limeoutsider's reaction: The natural desire to execute his murderers by the same method, beheading.

I haven't changed my mind since then. Berg's killers are blood thirsty, bigoted, fanatic murderers, and they deserve to be executed.

drew70
10-19-2004, 11:35 AM
From Cosmo
Keep in mind Lime, the Berge beheading was, if i remember correctly, in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse episode. Like i said, immoral actions cause immoral reactions. Well, it's obvious Cosmo believes the beheadings are justified. Murdering a man in cold blood who's only crime was to be a citizen of a country whose current administration you don't like. Tit for tat, eh, Cos?

Cosmo_ac
10-19-2004, 06:25 PM
Well, it's obvious Cosmo believes the beheadings are justified.

Obviously Drew, you know little about me, or pay any attention to the posts i make, but i pretty much expect as much from you.

Murdering a man in cold blood who's only crime was to be a citizen of a country whose current administration you don't like. Tit for tat, eh, Cos?


Yes, drew, truelly a shame. Can you say the US has done no differently in this war? That they have acted morally and just? Frankly, i can't. It is, however, a shame when innocent people get killed for the actions of few. I'm sure a lot of Dead iraq people could tell you that Drew, if they were still alive.

drew70
10-19-2004, 11:29 PM
From Cosmo
Obviously Drew, you know little about me, or pay any attention to the posts i make, but i pretty much expect as much from you.Au contraire, Monsieur. I've paid close attention to your posts. You take every opportunity to demean the US and its leadership. All of the other reactions to the beheadings connote an understandable frustration at such a senseless barbaric act of unmitigated brutality. You're the only one who sees any justification in them, hinting that the US is only reaping what it sows with your "immoral actions cause immoral reactions" crap. You've sunk to a new low, by exploiting the natural grieving of a loss of human life, one of our American brothers, in a feeble attempt to further demean the US and it's actions. Kicking us while we're down. Yes, I pay attention all too well, Cosmo.From Cosmo
Can you say the US has done no differently in this war?No I can't and certainly wouldn't want to. We've screwed up from time to time, but we certainly don't behead people and then boast about it. My god, what a low regard you have for us. Fortunately your venom and bigotry are not representative of the majority of your fellow Canadians.

Haltickling
10-20-2004, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by drew70
Fortunately your venom and bigotry are not representative of the majority of your fellow Canadians.
Fortunately your venom and bigotry are not representative of the majority of your fellow Americans, drew... :rolleyes:

Candlewicke
10-20-2004, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Haltickling
Fortunately your venom and bigotry are not representative of the majority of your fellow Americans, drew... :rolleyes:
Very fortunate. :(

drew70
10-20-2004, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Haltickling originally posted by drew70
Fortunately your venom and bigotry are not representative of the majority of your fellow Canadians.Fortunately your venom and bigotry are not representative of the majority of your fellow Americans, drew... :rolleyes: You're too clever for me, Hal. How you must of strained the grey matter coming up with that retort.:rolleyes: Folks, you can always be assured you are close to the truth if Hal disapproves of what you say.

Haltickling
10-21-2004, 06:00 AM
Always watch your words, they might come back on you one day...

It's too easy beating you with your own words. Besides, they're not worth the effort of thinking up better retorts. You, of all people, accusing cosmo of venom and bigotry! Ts ts... :rolleyes:

venray
10-21-2004, 06:59 AM
Unfortunately..it seems we would rather sit here and insult one another and question each others non existent ulterior motives instead of discussing a topic intelligently.

This goes to ALL of you!


Thinking up retorts to better one another isnt what we should be doing here.

As for the beheadings being some sort of "retaliation"......It wouldnt have made a difference what we evil Americans did or didnt do as these barbarians dont need an excuse to try and strike fear into the world......

Ray

drew70
10-21-2004, 10:30 AM
You're right, of course, Venray.

Cosmo, I' sorry for letting my anger get the better of me in this thread. My comments were inappropriate. Please accept my apology and I'll try harder to keep a cool head.

Cosmo_ac
10-21-2004, 05:26 PM
Drew, I can apreciate getting angry over posts. I myself have done as much and made more then a few remarks i sometimes wish i hadn't. I think it would be best if we all agree that this was a tragic loss of life.

venray
10-22-2004, 12:42 AM
No one can argue wih that.........:(