Use Your Vote Tuesday to Impeach George Bush

[New2u]

That is the headline of this Washington Post column.

An article from Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen that came out today makes his case against another four years of George W. Bush. As Cohen stated in his column, he doesn't believe that an all Republican Congress would ever impeach Bush, that is reserved only for "self serving" outrage for lying about sex under oath and not, as now seems clear, the making of war under false pretenses.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/articles/1028cohen28.html

[Mitchell]

Some very strong words written by Richard Cohen, new, and, sadly, the truth. Thank you for posting. A very interesting commentary. The fate of Bush rests with the voters. It will be interesting to see what mood this deeply divided country is in when we all go to the polls on Tuesday. As we well know, one slight jog in the voting trend or one swing state could well determine this razor close election. My mood, after listening to all the commentary and polls of the last months, is just "Let's bring it on" already, shake it out, and see where we end up at the end of the election. Of course, you know Iam a Kerry supporter, so I hope he wins. There are many valid reasons for which I feel Bush should lose on Tuesday. Iam only one voter, and it will be interesting to see who the voters, and specifically the undecided voters, end up siding with, as that will probably determine the outcome of the election.

Mitch

[venray]

The "truth" as Mr. Cohen sees it. Printed in a paper that has endorsed Kerry. Worth little except to help bolster his supporters.

[New2u]

venray1 said, "The "truth" as Mr. Cohen sees it. Printed in a paper that has endorsed Kerry. Worth little except to help bolster his supporters."

Ray, using your logic of what you just said about Mr. Cohen, you're doing the "exact" samething. Your criticism of this columnist that he is "worth little" is your perception of the "truth". Like the polls, when they show Bush ahead of Kerry then you put more "creedence" on the poll then if it were the other way around.

I guess Dr. Phil is right again. There's no such thing as reality, only a "perception of".

[Xodlirv]

Impeachment is the least that should happen to Bush and Cheney. The families of every American who has died in Iraq should sue them in open court for wrongful death. The only god these men worship is money, so the only just punishment is that they be separated from their god forever.

[New2u]

You are so very welcome, my friend.

[ShadowTklr]

Cohen is absolutely right. I tell you, I'm not sure if Republicans just insist upon living in a world of their own making as they thumb their noses at the rest of the world, or if they truly don't get it.

But, something tells me that if Clinton were the President presiding over the war in Iraq under the SAME EXACT circumstances, the Reupublicans would need casts to restrain the hard-ons they would have for Clinton. They would miraculously be able to see the finest nuance of fault for such a decision. Their clarity would be unmatched. :sowrong:

[venray]

Originally posted by New2u
Ray, using your logic of what you just said about Mr. Cohen, you're doing the "exact" samething. Your criticism of this columnist that he is "worth little" is your perception of the "truth". Like the polls, when they show Bush ahead of Kerry then you put more "creedence" on the poll then if it were the other way around.

I guess Dr. Phil is right again. There's no such thing as reality, only a "perception of".

When a paper endorses a candidate, they only print those things that show their candidate in a good light. It is not a perception it is the truth that it is worth little in the reality of things.

Goes for both sides New not just the liberals.. and you are WRONG..I place no credence in ANY polls . The ones I posted were examples to offset those who think Kerry will win based on who was asked and when. They all mean nothing. No pollster knows how many people are really going to vote this year nor do they know who will be voted for.. Relax...all will be over in a few more days.....

R

[Mitchell]

Today's new videotape of Bin Laden proves New's point and just how badly George W Bush has screwed up this war on terrorism. Instead of going all out to focus on the REAL threat, Bin Laden, Bush chose to focus his attention on a man and a country who was not a threat to us, and take his eyes and his attention off of Bin Laden. Now, all we have is a messed up war with many dead, and Bin Laden and Al Queda still out there making threats. I sincerely hope that the undecided voters will have some sense and use their power, the new Bin Laden tape, the missing weapons in Iraq, and the new Haliburton situation to toss George Bush out of office on Tuesday. If Bush wins, it is like we are rewarding a president for causing an unnecessary war, and taking his focus off of the real problem. Knowing the blind nationalism that exists in this country, my bet would be that Bush is going to win anyway, because many voters just dont care, as they choose to believe Bush's distortions of fact. When a person doesnt do their job, they are usually fired. Unfortuanately, it seems that in this election it doesnt matter how Bush does his job, people will blindly vote for him anyway, and for what reason I just dont know.

Mitch

[venray]

Good Mitch..you give an accurate account of the liberal spin...

One question...Do you actually believe that terrorism is only to be found where Osama is? There are no terrorists in Iraq or any other country and we should only concentrate on him?

Not a very effective war would that be.

Best way to keep terrorists off guard is not to do what they expect.

Osama said in his tape that Bush has been "misleading" America since 9/11.

Seems he supports the liberal POV.......

Best reason in the world to vote for Bush.

R

[MrMacphisto]

Yep... See, what Bin Laden really wants us to do is to keep people in power that anger his people, so that he can recruit more people to his cause. Bush wants that too, because he can keep up the War on Terror as long as there are people out there nutty enough to attack us. While the media and public are focused on terrorism, corporations can do what they please as we fight a so-called "common enemy." The only real difference between Bin Laden and Bush are that they manipulate people by different means: Bin Laden uses fanatical Islam while Bush uses fear and fanatical Christianity. So folks, enjoy your roles as pawns, while the rest of the First World gets to laugh at the stupidity of America and the terrorists in their battle of egos.

[Mitchell]

Ray, I never said that Bin Laden was the only terrorist or that terrorists only are where Bin Laden is.
I cant accurately say that Bush has been misleading America since 9-11. As I have said on here many times, the war in Afghanistan I was 100% in support of, and he had every right or cause to in there. About that, Bin Laden is wrong. However, Bush has misled us about the war in Iraq and WMD's. This is not a "liberal" spin, but fact. Saddam had never threatened us, he did not cause 9-11, and there was no reason to go in there. This is not "liberal" spin as you call it, it is fact. The bottom line is that if it had been proven that Saddam caused 9-11, and ordered the Al Queda terrorists to fly into the WTC,Pentagon, and Shanskville, then by all means, Bush would have had a right to go in there. The fact is that none of that happened, and Bush just made up in his head a spin that he needed to for the purpose of getting Dick Cheney and Halliburton contracts in Iraq, and to get his cronies hands on the oil there. What happened in Iraq would be like if Bin Laden had killed 3000 Americans, and then they put Saddam on trial and to death for the crime, even though he had nothing to do with it. The 9-11 commission (Non partisan, and not "liberal" as you say, chaired by Republican Tom Kean) proved that Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11, and yet, you Bush people continue to insist that this war was right, and call it the liberal spin. If Bush supporters want to follow him blindly, then that is their choice. I choose to look at the facts. I believe in my heart that Bush will probably win on Tues, not because he deserves to, but because he has the country so psyched out that people believe him and follow him almost like a minister or TV evangelist. I will never understand the Republican spin, and that is why I will never vote for a Republican. I would rather be a liberal any day and live in reality, then to believe George Bush and the Republican distortion of fact.

Mitch

[redway10]

Originally posted by MrMacphisto
Bin Laden uses fanatical Islam while Bush uses fear and fanatical Christianity.
It's like the Crusades all over again.

Apparently the American people know that they doing the Lord's work against the infidels. Chalk up another proud section of history to the wonders of absolute faith.

So it's gonna be another four more years of our very own Protestant Pope.

(Is Drew OK??? He usually jumps on this stuff like a hyena on crack.)

[Mitchell]

I just heard a prediction on MSNBC with Joe Scarborough, a notorious Republican commentator, where he predicted that in his view, the election could end up a 269-269 electoral tie, and end up being decided in the House of Representatives or the Senate. Scarborough even gave a wild scenario where the House could choose Bush as the president and Edwards as the VP. (A great scenario of checks and balances if you ask me, if we are forced to endure another four years of Bush) Scarborough's hypothetical map gave PA and Ohio to Kerry, and Fla to Bush, with Iowa to Kerry. Bush had more states according to his map, with Kerry winning most of the big ones.
In all honesty, it is probably unlikely that the scenario Scarborough gave will play out, but it would be an interesting one. I just hope Kerry wins the election outright. All he needs is for one swing state to go his way. If Florida, which CNN polls say are tied now, swings for Kerry, Bush might well lose. Ugh! I cant wait for the day to get here already, it seems like enough already with the bantering and speculation.

Mitch

[venray]

Originally posted by Mitchell
I it seems like enough already with the bantering and speculation.

Mitch


I couldnt agree more.........

[drew70]

Originally posted by MrMacphisto
...the stupidity of America...Hey, speak for yourself, Macphisto.

[New2u]

MrMacphisto can speak for me, some Americans do stupid things and others "elect".

[ShiningIce]

He can speak for me too.

[New2u]

Originally posted by venray1
Good Mitch..you give an accurate account of the liberal spin...

One question...Do you actually believe that terrorism is only to be found where Osama is? There are no terrorists in Iraq or any other country and we should only concentrate on him?

Not a very effective war would that be.

Best way to keep terrorists off guard is not to do what they expect.

Osama said in his tape that Bush has been "misleading" America since 9/11.

Seems he supports the liberal POV.......

Best reason in the world to vote for Bush.

R

Ray, your political rehtoric is really getting "thick" these days, you've graduated from using a spade to a "tractor" shovel. But that is your opionion and have that right to say it, and I have mine. Those reports show that Sadamm and Al Queda have not been working together due to Bin Laden's extreme dislike of Hussein. In fact, Bin Laden referred to Sadamm as an "infadel" and does not wish to associate with him and Sadamm does not care for Bin Laden. I can see why because both men have "giant" egos and are control freaks. Both hate America and wish to do harm to this country but one can't stand being with the other long enough to do it together.

As far as Bush "misleading" America, Osama knows it, and a large number of people in this country know it, some GI's in Iraq know it (but keep quiet about it) all except the (We believe there are still WMD's there) conservative crowd who "Blindly" goosestep their way to continual support. Bush is still not letting people know the real reason why we're there which is part of Bush's "secretive" Presidency

Best reason in the world to vote for Kerry.

[venray]

A large majority of sevice people support GW......

Osama says he will back off of countries that dont attack him..yeah THAT will work.....

It does not matter if he and Saddam were working together...they have a common goal...and we are it....along with Israel...should we abandon Israel because it doesnt effect us directly and back off in the hopes that terrorists will leave us alone...we have made mistakes like that in the past and cant afford to do it again....

GW stated after 9/11 that we were going to war against terrorism...not just Osama...

Kerry pretty much echoed that when the recent tape came out stating he would fight terrorists everywhere no matter what it takes...does this mean he will battle them unilaterally if need be...will he go where they are to snuff them out? He seems to suggest that which the people want to hear......



Rhetoric...that's funny from one with more than 10 posts on the same subjects over and over...and from one who had me delete quite a few that nobody had bothered responding to...;)


and Drew, Mac WAS speaking for himself as he always does and he has the right to his opinion.....

[august spies]

if gw bush was serious about a war on terrorism he would have to committ suicide.

that being said, i would be very happy to see bush loose although i hate kerry and wont be voting for him.

[New2u]

Originally posted by venray1
A large majority of sevice people support GW......

Osama says he will back off of countries that dont attack him..yeah THAT will work.....

It does not matter if he and Saddam were working together...they have a common goal...and we are it....along with Israel...should we abandon Israel because it doesnt effect us directly and back off in the hopes that terrorists will leave us alone...we have made mistakes like that in the past and cant afford to do it again....

GW stated after 9/11 that we were going to war against terrorism...not just Osama...

Kerry pretty much echoed that when the recent tape came out stating he would fight terrorists everywhere no matter what it takes...does this mean he will battle them unilaterally if need be...will he go where they are to snuff them out? He seems to suggest that which the people want to hear......

Rhetoric...that's funny from one with more than 10 posts on the same subjects over and over...and from one who had me delete quite a few that nobody had bothered responding to...;)

and Drew, Mac WAS speaking for himself as he always does and he has the right to his opinion.....

Yikes, Ray, calm down, I know this subject is near and dear to you and I didn't mean any disrespect. I will admit that my comment about your rehtoric being at tractor shovel level was "out-of-line" and I apologize to you for that, I did not mean to offend you. You do have a right to your opinion and I disrespected it. I'm sorry.

[venray]

You didnt offend me in the least, New....:D (note the winking face in my last post to you..tis you who need to calm down a bit....lol)

R

[TKpervert]

Bush gets my vote.

[New2u]

Originally posted by venray1
You didnt offend me in the least, New....:D (note the winking face in my last post to you..tis you who need to calm down a bit....lol)

R

I am calm, I had visions of you using Mimi's "Whapper" stick on me. I'm glad you're not offended. That means I've to try harder next time (Joking) LOL.

[New2u]

Originally posted by TKpervert
Bush gets my vote. What does this button do?

That is the "Scapegoat" button to blame everyone else but Bush.