NBC Execs crapped their pants last night

[CaptainQuantum]

NBC execs must've crapped in their pants last night when Kanye West made his unscripted speech. Especially when the person in charge of the delay and bleeping out cuss words & all that didn't realize that West had gone off script LMAO. "Bush doesn't care about black people. That sounds like he's still on script. Sounds okay to me." Kanye West might expect a visit from the FBI at his house now. You don't embarrass George W Bush. He does that quite well on his own, thank you very much :jester:

[Robace252]

I still as a human being cannot believe that people would in anyway believe this nonsense. Bush hates black people. First everyone gets mad because of his belief in God, and now oboviously he must not be with God because he was a racist. How do you expect the President of the United States to micro-manage every aspect of a government as large as this one. I suppose he could go to every agency and babysit, but then something else will happen that can be personally blamed on him. Ultimately it is his responsibility to make sure those under him are doing their jobs, but it is also the responsibility of the individual to do their job. He should have some fault but to say he did this on purpose or hates them is completley ridiclous and unfounded except from feelings of hate.
I would ask this....The leaders of the city and state and churches KNEW there were poor people that couldnt get out. The Black Leaders that shout "They knew of the poor people without cars and transportation in New Orleans and did nothing to help." Well guess what Rev. Jackson, Al Sharpton, And all other congressional leaders...you know your districts and what people live there. If they knew you knew...YOU ARE JUST AS GULITY FOR ALLOWING THOSE PEOPLE TO SUFFER AS IS THE WHOLE ADMINISTRATION!
You could have mobilized your church buses. You could have taken city buses. The mayor called for a city wide evacuation, but who I ask who was responsible for going to the 9th ward and checking on the poor, eldery and handicapped. Im sure they think Bush should have gone to every door in that area and personally escorted them out. WHERE WERE THE LEADERS OF THAT COMMUNITY! Instead of blamming the goverment which everyone knew before this has a poor record of helping people, why dont they look at themselves and realize what they could have done. But it easier for Kwane West to blame Bush than to look at his own leaders and say "you had the information too, maybe even more since you live there, why didnt you help."
I find it all disgusting. :Grrr:
But of course its not PC to blame those leaders, or we would still be racist.
Such hyprocacy..such hate...I need to move to Canada I think..or Mexico.
Im in the middle of this in Mississippi and I see poor white people with no help because the attention in New Orleans....they took 50 trucks of supplies from here to go there. And you know what..no one complained, no one looted, no one blamed anyone.

[Ticklish9's]

How do you expect the President of the United States to micro-manage every aspect of a government as large as this one.

I don't.

But I damn well expect the man that this country elected to lead them and protect to stand up, lead, and protect. That means get your ass off your vacation ranch (for a change!) and give the orders necessary to get the National Guard - which ONLY you, Mr. Bush, are the commander in chief of - into action ASAP.

That means get your Secretary of State back from her vacation - preferably before THURSDAY, 4 days into a disaster of epic proportions - and have her soliciting the sort of worldwide help needed to overcome this.

That means order your helicopters back in to airlift supplies and material instead of grounding them because of the "potential threat of violence" when those same helicopters with those same national guard troops are STILL flying to airlift those same supplies in the face of much greater violence in Iraq.

That means get the Homeland Security office OUT of control and put the trained experts from FEMA IN control.

Even George Bush himself has said the response from the federal government has been "unnacceptable" - a poor understatement indeed, if you're one of the thousands starving and dying.

Think it's not racist? I've got a picture for you that I can email you if like (I'm not certain how to post them on here) showing two news reports from the same day, about four hours apart. One shows two white people wading through the water with bags and the caption reading "two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and water from a local grocery store."

One shows a black man wading through the water with bags and says "A young man walks through chest deep water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday."

It is now the 6th day of one of the biggest disasters in American history. This is the wealthiest nation in the world. We can airlift an entire armored battalion to Moscow in 72 hours. We can conquor a nation in 2 and a half weeks. We can get aid to international locations in hours.

Why can't we feed our own fucking people?

And before you yell at me for being "part of the problem" my group sends it's first shipment of medical personnel, supplies, and on-site gear Wednesday morning.

[Robace252]

Where as I agree 100% that the president should have done more, when he declared the disaster area 2 days prior to landfall, he gave the govenor the full authority to use the National Guard and any and all resources to deal with the scope of the impending disaster. Also, the way our governement works is through a series of delegation to people in positions that were thought to have the ability to handle this. I also find it ridiclious that we can mobilize a army in 72 hours and go overseas, but we cant get to our own people. Heads at Homeland Security and FEMA should roll! As well as the state and local officals. Im here in Mississippi and in the middle of it. Its pitiful to think that all those people he and we trusted to take of things completely and utterly failed.
Also the state officals and city officals should carry the most of the blame.
Here is the City of New Orleans' own evacuation plans..from the city archives
http://www.new-orleans.la.us/cnoweb/cpc/transportation/Chapter3_3to3_6.pdf
Read it for yourselves at is talks about the needs of getting those without transportation. Their plans to mobilize their resources once an evacuation is ordered. That is was in their plans to get local groups to go to the poor nighborhoods where the population couldn't get out. The officals in New Orleans knew of the problem, they foresaw the problem...but who followed this plan. I ask, who followed it. Who did something about this. The below is from that link above.

The main responsibility and authority for operational aspects of evacuation in Orleans Parish lies
with the Office of Emergency Preparedness (OEP) within the Chief Administrative Office of the
City. The authority to make the final decisions related to an evacuation rests with the Mayor of
New Orleans. Evacuation decisions are made in coordination with OEP staff, other City directors,
and members of the Southeast Louisiana Hurricane Task Force, made up of top elected officials in
all the Southeast Parishes and municipalities and the Louisiana Department of Transportation and
Development (LaDOTD).

And one last thing from the above plan, again this information is from the City of New Orleans itself..

Hurricane evacuation planning is made more difficult for the City, due to the large percentage of
residents without access to a private automobile. Only 27% of Orleans Parish residents evacuated
the city during Hurricane Georges, while 45% of Jefferson Parish residents evacuated. Orleans
Parish residents were more likely to stay during a storm for lack of transportation, financial
resources or a tendency to ignore evacuation warnings. Evacuation is also closely related to
income. During Hurricane Georges only 16% of those with incomes below $25,000 left town,
while 54% of those with incomes over $80,000 left.6In addition to those unable to afford vehicles or transportation there are the disabled, hospitalized, elderly and incarcerated who would not be
able to drive from the area. Development of alternative means for citizens to leave the area is
crucial. RTA provides transportation for citizens to shelters and places where out of town
transportation may be obtained, but has no provision to use its buses to evacuate citizens out of the
city. While the RTA has expressed a willingness to assist in emergency evacuation, a regional
cooperative agreement with other jurisdictions is needed. Visitors and some residents may choose
commercial transportation, but at some point commercial bus, rail, and air transportation out of the
city will not be available. Greater involvement of local churches, businesses and non-profit groups
in providing transport and assisting people without their own transportation or with special needs is
needed.

Lastly this is from the City of New Orleans also..titled "The City of New Orleans Emergancy Preparedness at the below website

http://www.cityofno.com/SystemModules/PrintPage.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

There are several snipit's from this I will just post 2 or 3, please look at the whole report.

4. In times of disaster, advise the public of developments and procedures for locating emergency services. During a disaster, the OEP directs calls to the Office of Public Advocacy. Public Advocacy provides current and accurate information to the public.

5. Develop procedures and mechanisms for the notification of persons who can not rely on traditional media sources.

The OEP works closely with the Human Relations Commission to identify and explore the feasibility of alternative notification methods, including new technology designed to assist the hearing and sight impaired.

The OEP will, via ESF?6, Mass Care, and ESF?14, Public Information, issue constantly updated information on available shelters prior to and during disaster operations, and will utilize extraordinary means when called upon following a disaster to provide updated information.

11. The OEP shall develop procedures for providing information to transient and homeless populations through the procedures as outlined in the Severe Weather Shelter Program.


Authority to issue evacuations of elements of the population is vested in the Mayor. By Executive Order, the chief elected official, the Mayor of the City of New Orleans, has the authority to order the evacuation of residents threatened by an approaching hurricane.

Evacuation procedures for special needs persons with either physical or mental handicaps, including registration of disabled persons, is covered in the SOP for Evacuation of Special Needs Persons.

------------------------------------------------
So to end this I say, should Bush have come back from vacation early..YES
Should the Sec. of State (who's responsibilty is foregin relations) been back to talk with other nations not from her hotel but from Washington..YES
But if the City and State leaders would have followed THEIR OWN PLANS they had in place, for the public, and used their plans..much of the human suffering would not have happenend.
None of the above is opinion....it is fact, backed up with the City of New Orleans own plan. Funny how blame is passed to those furthest away, while those locally responsible now act as a victim.

[mpeyton]

I still as a human being cannot believe that people would in anyway believe this nonsense. Bush hates black people. First everyone gets mad because of his belief in God, and now oboviously he must not be with God because he was a racist. How do you expect the President of the United States to micro-manage every aspect of a government as large as this one. I suppose he could go to every agency and babysit, but then something else will happen that can be personally blamed on him. Ultimately it is his responsibility to make sure those under him are doing their jobs, but it is also the responsibility of the individual to do their job. He should have some fault but to say he did this on purpose or hates them is completley ridiclous and unfounded except from feelings of hate.
I would ask this....The leaders of the city and state and churches KNEW there were poor people that couldnt get out. The Black Leaders that shout "They knew of the poor people without cars and transportation in New Orleans and did nothing to help." Well guess what Rev. Jackson, Al Sharpton, And all other congressional leaders...you know your districts and what people live there. If they knew you knew...YOU ARE JUST AS GULITY FOR ALLOWING THOSE PEOPLE TO SUFFER AS IS THE WHOLE ADMINISTRATION!
You could have mobilized your church buses. You could have taken city buses. The mayor called for a city wide evacuation, but who I ask who was responsible for going to the 9th ward and checking on the poor, eldery and handicapped. Im sure they think Bush should have gone to every door in that area and personally escorted them out. WHERE WERE THE LEADERS OF THAT COMMUNITY! Instead of blamming the goverment which everyone knew before this has a poor record of helping people, why dont they look at themselves and realize what they could have done. But it easier for Kwane West to blame Bush than to look at his own leaders and say "you had the information too, maybe even more since you live there, why didnt you help."
I find it all disgusting. :Grrr:
But of course its not PC to blame those leaders, or we would still be racist.
Such hyprocacy..such hate...I need to move to Canada I think..or Mexico.
Im in the middle of this in Mississippi and I see poor white people with no help because the attention in New Orleans....they took 50 trucks of supplies from here to go there. And you know what..no one complained, no one looted, no one blamed anyone.
Since when is a natural disaster a racial issue. This is as bad as those arrogant Christians getting on television saying the people in New Orleans had it coming to them because they were sinning. Hurricane Katrina is not a racist, a lot of blacks just happened to live there. Even if the area were dominated by whites, Katrina still would've wrecked those properties.
And for the record I agree with you on the local government needing to take the bulk of the responsibility for failing to evacate properly.

Let's stop blaming and start giving these people the support they need!

[MrMacphisto]

The aftermath of Katrina has shown us the incompetence of New Orleans's management, the incompetence of Louisiana's state government, and lastly, the negative effects of having a National Guard that is mostly stationed an ocean away from its intended jurisdiction.

Bush screwed this operation up, but Louisiana screwed it up even more. Then again, what else do you expect from the backwards infrastructure of the Deep South? We've seen firsthand just how bad the poverty issues are in places like New Orleans, but the truth of the matter is that Bush doesn't hate black people -- he just doesn't care that much. This really comes down to class more than race, though.

We don't really care about the poor until the situation gets so bad that we can't ignore it anymore. We can't afford to ignore the homeless people of New Orleans now, because they'll starve without our help while the media keeps our attention on them. Without a massive disaster to keep our attention, we don't give a shit.

Anyone who helps these people now has my respect, but I'll guarantee that this problem will repeat itself. Chances are, we'll rebuild New Orleans in the same vulnerable area as before, after we fix the levees and drain the area out. New Orleans will still have a massive poverty problem as before, because the local politicians will learn very little from this event, and they would rather line their own pockets than create an infrastructure to help these people find work.

The mayor of New Orleans might have been pissed at Bush for the National Guard taking so long to bring aid to his people, but he also should blame himself for not properly responding to the threat of Katrina. He had ample time to get these people to safety. He had ample resources to provide transportation for people who couldn't afford to leave without help. The state of Louisiana had the resources to help these people as well, but as we can see, their management sucks. The sad part is... a lot of states in this area of the country would have been just as incompetent in their responses, if they had a city as large as New Orleans struck by a hurricane. The reason for this is the shitty infrastructure that so much of the Deep South has....

As for Kanye West... There's no doubt that plenty of racism still exists in this country, but when it comes to the black community as a whole, he should be pissed at his own people for raping and murdering each other during this disaster. A lot of violent crime has occurred amidst the chaos in the disaster-ridden areas of Louisiana, and a lot of it has been done by blacks. I'm not saying that this justifies racism, but some acknowledgement of accountability would be nice....

[Krokus]

The aftermath of Katrina has shown us the incompetence of New Orleans's management, the incompetence of Louisiana's state government, and lastly, the negative effects of having a National Guard that is mostly stationed an ocean away from its intended jurisdiction.

Bush screwed this operation up, but Louisiana screwed it up even more. Then again, what else do you expect from the backwards infrastructure of the Deep South? We've seen firsthand just how bad the poverty issues are in places like New Orleans, but the truth of the matter is that Bush doesn't hate black people -- he just doesn't care that much. This really comes down to class more than race, though.

We don't really care about the poor until the situation gets so bad that we can't ignore it anymore. We can't afford to ignore the homeless people of New Orleans now, because they'll starve without our help while the media keeps our attention on them. Without a massive disaster to keep our attention, we don't give a shit.

Anyone who helps these people now has my respect, but I'll guarantee that this problem will repeat itself. Chances are, we'll rebuild New Orleans in the same vulnerable area as before, after we fix the levees and drain the area out. New Orleans will still have a massive poverty problem as before, because the local politicians will learn very little from this event, and they would rather line their own pockets than create an infrastructure to help these people find work.

The mayor of New Orleans might have been pissed at Bush for the National Guard taking so long to bring aid to his people, but he also should blame himself for not properly responding to the threat of Katrina. He had ample time to get these people to safety. He had ample resources to provide transportation for people who couldn't afford to leave without help. The state of Louisiana had the resources to help these people as well, but as we can see, their management sucks. The sad part is... a lot of states in this area of the country would have been just as incompetent in their responses, if they had a city as large as New Orleans struck by a hurricane. The reason for this is the shitty infrastructure that so much of the Deep South has....

As for Kanye West... There's no doubt that plenty of racism still exists in this country, but when it comes to the black community as a whole, he should be pissed at his own people for raping and murdering each other during this disaster. A lot of violent crime has occurred amidst the chaos in the disaster-ridden areas of Louisiana, and a lot of it has been done by blacks. I'm not saying that this justifies racism, but some acknowledgement of accountability would be nice....

Absolutely brilliant post. Personally, I think West is a moron, but thats just me.

[MrMacphisto]

Thanks, Krokus... Some of Kanye's music is ok, but I can't say that I heard his rant. I don't really bother with network TV: most of it strikes me as mindless.

BTW, that Morrissey song you reference in your sig is awesome.

[BOFH666]

I was watching BBC News 24 last night and in a panel discussion one guest raised an interesting point. I don't have a transcript so this will have to be from memory but I'll be as accurate as I can.

This particular gentleman was an American who'd been living in the UK for the last 20 years and making regular trips back home. His opinion was that the disaster in New Orleans showed the results of almost 40 years of American policy which basically said that if you raised taxes you would not get elected / re-elected. As a result of this he said that, as the years passed, you could see the infastructure of the country, not just roads and railways but social infastructure as well, crumbling away. I can't remember the exact words but he linked this to an increasingly dramatic split in wealth distribution and failings in other areas (I believe he gave an example of building houses that met only the most basic of codes in areas that should never be built in but could be because there was profit to be made. Something like that anyway).

Not saying I agree with this, but thought it worth throwing out for discussion.

[MrMacphisto]

I was watching BBC News 24 last night and in a panel discussion one guest raised an interesting point. I don't have a transcript so this will have to be from memory but I'll be as accurate as I can.

This particular gentleman was an American who'd been living in the UK for the last 20 years and making regular trips back home. His opinion was that the disaster in New Orleans showed the results of almost 40 years of American policy which basically said that if you raised taxes you would not get elected / re-elected. As a result of this he said that, as the years passed, you could see the infastructure of the country, not just roads and railways but social infastructure as well, crumbling away. I can't remember the exact words but he linked this to an increasingly dramatic split in wealth distribution and failings in other areas (I believe he gave an example of building houses that met only the most basic of codes in areas that should never be built in but could be because there was profit to be made. Something like that anyway).

Not saying I agree with this, but thought it worth throwing out for discussion.

That gentleman was mostly speaking truth. Various areas of this country would rather decay from within than invest in the appropriate infrastructures, if said investment involves a raise in taxes. This is the central problem of the American mindset, and it will likely be the end of this country's First World status.

[Dussicar]

NBC execs must've crapped in their pants last night when Kanye West made his unscripted speech. Especially when the person in charge of the delay and bleeping out cuss words & all that didn't realize that West had gone off script LMAO. "Bush doesn't care about black people. That sounds like he's still on script. Sounds okay to me." Kanye West might expect a visit from the FBI at his house now. You don't embarrass George W Bush. He does that quite well on his own, thank you very much :jester:



LOL! Too true, CAP. We'll just see what the Bushmeister has cooking up for damage control in the near future.

I smell something slimy and Rove-ish on the rise.

[asutickler]

See the video here:

http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Kayne-West-Bush-Black-People.wmv


Nice of the guy to pull a "HEY!!! Look at ME!!!" stunt during a telethon to assist victims of one of the worst disasters in US history... :disgust:

[Robace252]

The aftermath of Katrina has shown us the incompetence of New Orleans's management, the incompetence of Louisiana's state government, and lastly, the negative effects of having a National Guard that is mostly stationed an ocean away from its intended jurisdiction.

Bush screwed this operation up, but Louisiana screwed it up even more. Then again, what else do you expect from the backwards infrastructure of the Deep South? We've seen firsthand just how bad the poverty issues are in places like New Orleans, but the truth of the matter is that Bush doesn't hate black people -- he just doesn't care that much. This really comes down to class more than race, though.

We don't really care about the poor until the situation gets so bad that we can't ignore it anymore. We can't afford to ignore the homeless people of New Orleans now, because they'll starve without our help while the media keeps our attention on them. Without a massive disaster to keep our attention, we don't give a shit.

Macphisto..again we find common ground and agreement. Perhaps you and I should become the new heads of the Left and Right wing movements and maybe something would get done. Although I wouldn't say its Bush perchance that doesnt care about the poor, it think it more all of the special interest groups that really are the ones who dictate this nations policy. Its obovious to me who really runs things here, lobbist and those groups that throw money at Washington while all of the greedy politicans hold their wallets and purses open while an average american (like me) cant speak to my Congressman or President unless a national disaster happens to me. Thankfully as Im still in Mississippi otday helping out Ive actually spoken to several government officals.
Everything else you said I wont quote it but everyone is welcomed to and should read it, is 100% true. No one cares about the poor until something happens to them. Wed rather talk about why Brad and Jen broke up and things like that devoting good airtime about a missing girl in Aruba (1 person) when millions are in poverty. I for one hope that someday we will stop putting money into corporations and more into the people. The American People are what makes this nation great...not those that run it.
Again that goes for all of them....Republicans and Democrats alike.

[Haltickling]

LOL! Too true, CAP. We'll just see what the Bushmeister has cooking up for damage control in the near future.

I smell something slimy and Rove-ish on the rise.
How about declaring "War on Hurricans", because "Hurricans are WMDs"? :p

[MrMacphisto]

Macphisto..again we find common ground and agreement. Perhaps you and I should become the new heads of the Left and Right wing movements and maybe something would get done. Although I wouldn't say its Bush perchance that doesnt care about the poor, it think it more all of the special interest groups that really are the ones who dictate this nations policy. Its obovious to me who really runs things here, lobbist and those groups that throw money at Washington while all of the greedy politicans hold their wallets and purses open while an average american (like me) cant speak to my Congressman or President unless a national disaster happens to me. Thankfully as Im still in Mississippi otday helping out Ive actually spoken to several government officals.
Everything else you said I wont quote it but everyone is welcomed to and should read it, is 100% true. No one cares about the poor until something happens to them. Wed rather talk about why Brad and Jen broke up and things like that devoting good airtime about a missing girl in Aruba (1 person) when millions are in poverty. I for one hope that someday we will stop putting money into corporations and more into the people. The American People are what makes this nation great...not those that run it.
Again that goes for all of them....Republicans and Democrats alike.

Thanks, Rob... As I've said before, we may disagree on a lot of things, but you seem a lot more balanced than most of the current leadership we have in this country.

I know Bush gets bashed a lot for the controversial things he often does, but one thing I think he deserves bashing for is his willingness to succumb to the special interest groups that you mentioned. He started out this behavior in the design of his tax cuts. Every president gets kickbacks from somebody, but at least Clinton stood up more for the poor. Clinton raised the minimum wage (which he actually should have done twice, but I'll take what I can get at this point....) and did many other things in support of the poor and the working class. Of course, he also supported NAFTA (which screwed working-class Americans), so even he had his corporate skeletons in the closet.

Getting back on topic, Kanye West really should have used his airtime more wisely. Of course, what else do you expect from a mediocre rapper?