The Real Dichotomy Between Left and Right

[theshire]

This site (http://acepilots.com/mt/2005/09/01/bloggers-on-hurricane-katrina/) has put together a list of both sides of the Blogosphere, showing how the Left and Right have responded to the Hurrican Katrina disaster.

They presented it without comment or criticism, so I will do the same.

Just go look it over. Make up your own mind.

[Cosmo_ac]

di·chot·o·my ( P ) Pronunciation Key (d-kt-m)
n. pl. di·chot·o·mies
Division into two usually contradictory parts or opinions: “the dichotomy of the one and the many” (Louis Auchincloss).
Astronomy. The phase of the moon, Mercury, or Venus when half of the disk is illuminated.
Botany. Branching characterized by successive forking into two approximately equal divisions.


just in case anybody was wondering what the word meant ;)

Anyway, Shire, do you think that perhaps that site was a little...biased, maybe?

[Ticklish9's]

The implication is that it's somehow a complete list, and wasn't edited for political reasons.

The site itself perpetuates the politicizing it seeks to answer, by throwing blame at the left.

There is some very justifiable anger going on in NOLA, given that Condi Rice - Secretary of State and accountable for answers given to nations offering foreign aid - was still buying 3,000$ shoes in New York City and taking in Monty Python at the theatre on fucking THURSDAY. It's not about pointing fingers - it's about saying "Hey! You up there! We put you in charge to protect us and you're BLOWING IT!! We don't care about the politics or what this is going to do to your reputation but please just STOP blowing it and get your ass in gear and get some help!!!" Since they appear not to listen to reason (she was on VACATION for fuck's sake - Bush himself stayed at his ranch until day 3) fury is all some of us have left.

But because I've rather lost faith in the administrations desire to help Americans, I'm co-founder and executive organizer of the group Buffalo Grassroots Relief, sponsored by local radio and news organizations and on Sept 7th we're sending off an on-site team of nurses and carpenters with a truckload of supplies to establish a forward camp that can accept future shipments of needed supplies (we've received a list of the most badly needed supplies from a contact in the army).

Some interesting points:

The person in charge of managing disaster response for the Federal government is Michael Chertoff - Director of Homeland Security. NOT the director of FEMA.

They've grounded the National Guard helicopters flying supplies and relief personnel into the area of around NOLA due to the threat of "potential violence" after one or more shots were fired at a rescue helicopter.

They have NOT grounded the National Guard helicopters flying supplies and relief personnel into the areas around Iraq suffering under the threat of potential and perseistent violence.




Curious. And furious.

[New2u]

This site (http://acepilots.com/mt/2005/09/01/bloggers-on-hurricane-katrina/) has put together a list of both sides of the Blogosphere, showing how the Left and Right have responded to the Hurrican Katrina disaster.

They presented it without comment or criticism, so I will do the same.

Just go look it over. Make up your own mind.

theshire, this site is quite a pro-Bush / pro-republican and also very anti-progressive anti-democrat. No wonder you wanted to post it.

[MrMacphisto]

Hey Shire... I have an unbiased news source for you. http://www.drudgereport.com/

[Oddjob0226]

We had our tickling gathering this weekend in Dallas and people evacuated from New Orleans were being housed in our hotel. I didn't see anyone politicizing all of this, but I did see a lot of people helping out without geting worked up about "right/left"

You want to pick "sides" during this, you've said a lot about yourself. Okay, we get it - YOU ARE GOOD! YOU ARE GOOD!!!! Fine, you're good. Now let the rest of us continue to be evil (and normal).

[kyle]

Seriously, i know drudge leans right but he links to other news sources. So what's your point Macphisto.

[New2u]

Seriously, i know drudge leans right but he links to other news sources. So what's your point Macphisto.

kyle, I think Mac was referring to drudge's conservative biasness. So what if drudge has news links, that doesn't mean anything.

[MrMacphisto]

Seriously, i know drudge leans right but he links to other news sources. So what's your point Macphisto.

Oh nothing, just demonstrating how "Fair and Balanced" he is.

[drew70]

Well, you've demonstrated your improved knowlege and skill in posting web links. Other than that I see nothing to demonstrate balance, fairness, nor any lack thereof. Would it be too much to ask for some specificity here?

[MrMacphisto]

No, that's alright, Drew... You've summed it up pretty well. Now that I've got your attention, check this link out: http://www.drudge.com/

It really puts the Drudge Report in perspective.

[kyle]

The headline at drudgereport.com right now is:

Mississippi Guardsmen in Iraq Refused Leave Time

That's really supporting the current administration.

[New2u]

The headline at drudgereport.com right now is:

Mississippi Guardsmen in Iraq Refused Leave Time

That's really supporting the current administration.

kyle, maybe that small group may have done that but they are not the majority of people who feel that way about the Bush admenistration. Check out this site: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/09/09/bush_approval_drops_below_40.html

I know the conservatives are desperately trying to maintain some support for this illegal "Bush" war which is dwindling fast and on top of that, the American public's approval of the job Bush is doing is now at an all-time low (rock bottom). The Demos will be back in power before long thanks in part to Bush.

[MrMacphisto]

The headline at drudgereport.com right now is:

Mississippi Guardsmen in Iraq Refused Leave Time

That's really supporting the current administration.

Touche', but would you like me to post all the other links that support the administration that are on his website?

[MrMacphisto]

kyle, maybe that small group may have done that but they are not the majority of people who feel that way about the Bush admenistration. Check out this site: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2005/09/09/bush_approval_drops_below_40.html

I know the conservatives are desperately trying to maintain some support for this illegal "Bush" war which is dwindling fast and on top of that, the American public's approval of the job Bush is doing is now at an all-time low (rock bottom). The Demos will be back in power before long thanks in part to Bush.

Um... New... The title of that article might have been somewhat deceiving, but it was actually about the soldiers not being allowed to leave to support their families. In other words, Kyle was saying that Drudge is more impartial than we assume. Of course, that's bullocks....

[kyle]

I had already stated in this thread that i believe drudge does lean right. If you look at his site long enough it's obvious. It's not like the guy makes up news though.

[BOFH666]

I had already stated in this thread that i believe drudge does lean right. If you look at his site long enough it's obvious. It's not like the guy makes up news though.

BWAHAHAHAHAH...haha..ha... oh you were serious?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200508100009
http://archive.salon.com/aug97/news/news970829.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200407300004
http://ballistik-brain.com/archives/2004/08/drudge_lies_again.php

Just a few examples to be going on with. Drudge is well known to engage in dubious reporting practices ranging from misrepresenting the facts to outright making shit up. His main problem though is, in the rush to get 'news' out first, the site posts rumours as fact. Occasionaly they get it right, most of the time it goes nowhere and sometimes it is horribly wrong. Add in the fact that the site is often used as a means of political attack by certain parties, plus the owner and main (sole?) contributor being very obviously and openly biased, and its use as an accurate news source is more-or-less nill. Fine as a rumour mill but don't take a single word as fact until verified by an independent source.

[New2u]

Just a few examples to be going on with. Drudge is well known to engage in dubious reporting practices ranging from misrepresenting the facts to outright making shit up. His main problem though is, in the rush to get 'news' out first, the site posts rumours as fact. Occasionaly they get it right, most of the time it goes nowhere and sometimes it is horribly wrong. Add in the fact that the site is often used as a means of political attack by certain parties, plus the owner and main (sole?) contributor being very obviously and openly biased, and its use as an accurate news source is more-or-less nill. Fine as a rumour mill but don't take a single word as fact until verified by an independent source.

BOF, basically, drudge is just another "Rush Limbaugh" who deliberately misinform listeners with "Right-Wing" propaganda. I guess there is no other way conservatives can persuade people over to their views other than to "lie" and distort the facts. George Bush is another good example of that.

[drew70]

So, anybody with a conservative agenda is a "liar," right New? :blaugh: What about Michael Moore. What about Dan Rather?

[jim66e]

BOF, basically, drudge is just another "Rush Limbaugh" who deliberately misinform listeners with "Right-Wing" propaganda. I guess there is no other way conservatives can persuade people over to their views other than to "lie" and distort the facts. George Bush is another good example of that.

I think a better way to say this might be that the only way either side can persuade people over to their viewsis to "lie" and distort the facts. Because frankly it happens at both ends of the ideological spectrum.

[New2u]

So, anybody with a conservative agenda is a "liar," right New? :blaugh: What about Michael Moore. What about Dan Rather?

drew, your counterpoint was effective. However, I'm not sure about Rather being a "liar".

[New2u]

I think a better way to say this might be that the only way either side can persuade people over to their viewsis to "lie" and distort the facts. Because frankly it happens at both ends of the ideological spectrum.

True, jim, true.