Terrell owens

[falconfan]

What do you think of T.O Being a dallas cowboy?





P.S Watch 24!

[Soulfly]

I think it's awesome. He will fit right in with Dallas. That city expects greatness, and I know he will be happy with the amount of attention he's going to get.

T.O. = Attention =

T.O. = Happy =

Happy T.O. = Cowboys a contender.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

I love it. Im excited and can't wait for the season to begin. I believe T.O. will do great and prove his doubters wrong.

[gargoyleofdusk]

I am no longer a Cowboys fan.
Started with Keyshawn, now they have a bigger ego to deal with.
Now T.O.? We are done...you know he'll piss off Purcells, and Bledsoe.
:sowrong:

[slacker2114]

Like I said in another thread....take the SOB to Dallas and put a muzzle on him so I don't have to hear the news flooded with TO drama. I hate players like him. All that talent and the attitude to match. Fits right in with jackasses like Keyshawn, Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis and Bill Romanowski. And after this past season, I may be adding TJ Houshmanzadah to my 'guys who run their mouths too damn much' list.

Enjoy him while he's happy, Dallas fans.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Like I said in another thread....take the SOB to Dallas and put a muzzle on him so I don't have to hear the news flooded with TO drama. I hate players like him. All that talent and the attitude to match. Fits right in with jackasses like Keyshawn, Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis and Bill Romanowski. And after this past season, I may be adding TJ Houshmanzadah to my 'guys who run their mouths too damn much' list.

Enjoy him while he's happy, Dallas fans.

Keyshawn is a jackass why? What did he do in Dallas that made him a jackass. You don't even know the man. What about all the other extra things he does that he doesnt have to do to benefit the less fortunate? T.O. was fine in San Fran until the last year or two. They've said he was a great teammate and has a great work ethic. It was even said by his teammates in Philly. What's wrong with wanting to win? He's made mistakes, so have others. I'm going to give him a chance. I felt even before Dallas was obviously going to sign him that wherever he went he would be fine and put all of this in the past. I believe he can but other people can't. I to was tired of the T.O. news all the time last season but it was their choice to air it. He sounded sincere today and I could care less about anything he said when he went to Philly. I will ride with the 'boys until the end. I'm tired of people saying they aren't Cowboy fans anymore because T.O. has been signed. I have heard a lot of this today and the past few days. I hope that those people who chose not to be a Cowboy fan anymore move on and never come back no matter what happens. I also hope that Cowboys fans who have doubts, which of course are reasonable, will give the man a chance and not wait for him to "fail."

[Tickle_Fiend05]

I am no longer a Cowboys fan.
Started with Keyshawn, now they have a bigger ego to deal with.
Now T.O.? We are done...you know he'll piss off Purcells, and Bledsoe.
:sowrong:

What started with Keyshawn? Keyshawn had a falling out with Tampa and came to the Cowboys and what? Nothin. He played well and didn't cause any "controversy." T.O. is 32. This will be his lat stop. By time his contract runs out he will be 36. His time is coming to a close within the next 3 or so years. He wants to win and if you listened to his words today, not read, then you could hear his sincerity. Just stop complaining. We are fans and things may not always go the way we want but it's no need to ever quit on a team. No player could ever cause me to quit a team that I love.

[slacker2114]

Ok, let me clarify myself...

My dislike of Keyshawn goes all the way back to when he played for the Jets. See, I've always had a soft spot in my heart for the hard-luck Jets, so I usually rooted for them. I also liked Wayne Chrebet, who did not get along with Keyshawn. Johnson ran his own teammate down non-stop, and REALLY ran his mouth when he went to Tampa. Then the Jets had to play the Bucs and all week before the game, Keyshawn ran down the Jets and especially Chrebet. When asked about his feelings, Wayne simply replied "I'll do my talking on the field". That gameday, Keyshawn basically did nothing the whole game and Chrebet caught the winning touchdown pass in the final seconds of the game. Not a word came out of Keyshawn's mouth on the subject, no matter how much he was asked.

Players that talk trash is ok, it even makes the game more interesting. But when you want to call out names like he did, even when he was on the same team, that's no-class in my book. That made me lose all respect for Johnson to this day.

Now TO...one of my problems is I basically get all the Philly area news where I live, so all I could hear when sports came on was about TO said this and that. It got old fast. I remember a friend of mine was excited when TO was first signed to the Eagles and I had told him then that he was going to be a problem. Now in all fairness, after TO got his contract with the Eagles, TO switched to a different agent. The former agent was getting paid his percentage for the contract, but the new one was getting nothing. The new agent is the one that was pushing TO to demand more money so he could get a cut. However, that does not excuse all the mouth-running he did, including running down the fans. That was the wrong thing to do. Talk to anyone, players or fans of anyone but the Eagles, about which stadium they hated to go to the most and they'd all say without hesitation 'Philly'. Eagles fans are loyal to a fault, fights even breaking out just because someone was wearing something non-Eagles to a game. Philly fans are INSANE! So to run down the fans was a big mistake. Then to verbally attack your QB and your coach, and there was even a rumor of a fistfight between former Eagle Hugh Douglas, then you've become nothing but a problem.

Honestly, I hope things work out for him in Dallas. He is without a doubt one of the best receivers of all time and it would be a shame to see his career go to waste. But I'm just hoping he keeps the drama to himself if there is any. I don't want to hear about TO going head to head with Parcells.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Honestly, I hope things work out for him in Dallas. He is without a doubt one of the best receivers of all time and it would be a shame to see his career go to waste. But I'm just hoping he keeps the drama to himself if there is any. I don't want to hear about TO going head to head with Parcells.

Even if T.O. doesn't cause any drama he'll still be in the news no matter what happens. They'll have stories about him succeding in Big D and they'll try to find anything to say "I told you so."

[slacker2114]

No doubt, Fiend, no doubt at all. The sports media is also partly to blame for the whole TO/Philly thing in that they plastered every little thing he said. And I'm sure some of it was taken out of context. But he did make the comment to McNabb "I'm not the one who got tired in the 4th quarter" referring to their Super Bowl loss.

TO said it, the media blew it up and hounded every Eagles player ad nauseum over the whole thing and it just got very annoying. Now Parcells is a no-nonsense kind of coach, so hopefully, nothing will be said to make him and TO butt heads. But yeah, the media will be harping about it, especially when the Cowboys play the Eagles this coming season.

[falconfan]

I like T.O alot and i like how hey said those's things to phil.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Terrell Owens will create problems for Dallas fans as he has everywhere else. It is his nature. He will NEVER grow up. The reason Keyshawn did not create problems in Dallas is that he was coached by Bill Parcells for 3 years. I think he respects Parcells and wouldn't do anything to upset that. Terrell has no respect for ANYONE ( and please don't tell me I don't know him ). If you can rip teammate publicly and the coach as well you have NO RESPECT for authority. I really question how long it will take for Parcells to get tired of that Owens character and bench him. Parcells will NEVER stand for what Andy Reid did. I do have a couple of questions though, it was stated that Owens wants to win, who does not want to win??? And if he wanted to win so bad then why did he create the problems he did a year ago? He wanted MONEY!!! The MONEY was MORE IMPORTANT than winning. That is Owens bottomline. Now that he is getting his money maybe he will buy himself a MUZZLE!!!

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Terrell Owens will create problems for Dallas fans as he has everywhere else. It is his nature. He will NEVER grow up. The reason Keyshawn did not create problems in Dallas is that he was coached by Bill Parcells for 3 years. I think he respects Parcells and wouldn't do anything to upset that. Terrell has no respect for ANYONE ( and please don't tell me I don't know him ). If you can rip teammate publicly and the coach as well you have NO RESPECT for authority. I really question how long it will take for Parcells to get tired of that Owens character and bench him. Parcells will NEVER stand for what Andy Reid did. I do have a couple of questions though, it was stated that Owens wants to win, who does not want to win??? And if he wanted to win so bad then why did he create the problems he did a year ago? He wanted MONEY!!! The MONEY was MORE IMPORTANT than winning. That is Owens bottomline. Now that he is getting his money maybe he will buy himself a MUZZLE!!!

T.O. is one of the top two receivers in the league. Why shouldn't he have wanted more money? Would you work for anything less than your market value?

[ticklingfeet4fu]

T.O. is one of the top two receivers in the league. Why shouldn't he have wanted more money? Would you work for anything less than your market value?Considering the fact that he makes MILLIONS of dollars and I don't what would you like me to compare that too??? If I recall, Joe Namath didn't make millions of dollars in this sport nor did Bradshaw or Unites or Dawson. To my knowledge neither did Riggins, Dorsett or Campbell. What makes Crybaby Owens better than them??? What is the matter??? Can't feed himself on $5,000,000 a year??? I would play the game for $50,000 a year. And, at least, I would show the fans MORE HEART than Crybaby Owens and the rest of these prima donnas. I might not play like Owens but I would give the fans a 1000% effert and I would play and never threaten the fans or the team that I would purposely ruin their season as Crybaby did last year in Philadelphia. Or are they all Divas these days. I know Crybaby IS a diva. :disgust:

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Considering the fact that he makes MILLIONS of dollars and I don't what would you like me to compare that too??? If I recall, Joe Namath didn't make millions of dollars in this sport nor did Bradshaw or Unites or Dawson. To my knowledge neither did Riggins, Dorsett or Campbell. What makes Crybaby Owens better than them??? What is the matter??? Can't feed himself on $5,000,000 a year??? I would play the game for $50,000 a year. And, at least, I would show the fans MORE HEART than Crybaby Owens and the rest of these prima donnas. I might not play like Owens but I would give the fans a 1000% effert and I would play and never threaten the fans or the team that I would purposely ruin their season as Crybaby did last year in Philadelphia. Or are they all Divas these days. I know Crybaby IS a diva. :disgust:

I'm saying would you work for less than you are worth? Yeah you can't compare you salary to his but who can? Different occupations command different salaries. If your talent or experience commands such a high number why work for less? I wish I could earn the minimum salary in the NFL but we don't play sports. And T.O. did give Philly his all on the field. Took them to the Super Bowl and outplayed every receiver on the team combined(even this year he outplayed them in seven games). When he and McNabb were having there "no speaking" period he went out there and did his job, did it damn well too. No one has ever questioned T.O.'s work ethic, it's all about off the field stuff. He had problems in Philly but there were other people involved. T.O. had some teammates on his side as did McNabb so he must not have been too wrong. And T.O. is one of the greatest receivers of all time. Don't know if you can really compare two different positions but, in my opinion, T.O. is better than a lot of those old guys you mentioned, but they were great too. Players back in their day didn't make the money players do today but it's probably the equivalent to their salaries.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

I'm saying would you work for less than you are worth? Yeah you can't compare you salary to his but who can? Different occupations command different salaries. If your talent or experience commands such a high number why work for less? I wish I could earn the minimum salary in the NFL but we don't play sports. And T.O. did give Philly his all on the field. Took them to the Super Bowl and outplayed every receiver on the team combined(even this year he outplayed them in seven games). When he and McNabb were having there "no speaking" period he went out there and did his job, did it damn well too. No one has ever questioned T.O.'s work ethic, it's all about off the field stuff. He had problems in Philly but there were other people involved. T.O. had some teammates on his side as did McNabb so he must not have been too wrong. And T.O. is one of the greatest receivers of all time. Don't know if you can really compare two different positions but, in my opinion, T.O. is better than a lot of those old guys you mentioned, but they were great too. Players back in their day didn't make the money players do today but it's probably the equivalent to their salaries.HE DID NOT take Philly to the Super Bowl. How many catches prior to the Super Bowl did he catch in the playoffs??? Answer that for me. How many catches did he have in the last 4 games of the regular season did he have??? Do your research and PLEASE get back to me. I would love to hear the response. :cool:

[Tickle_Fiend05]

HE DID NOT take Philly to the Super Bowl. How many catches prior to the Super Bowl did he catch in the playoffs??? Answer that for me. How many catches did he have in the last 4 games of the regular season did he have??? Do your research and PLEASE get back to me. I would love to hear the response. :cool:

Without him they went to three straight NFC Championship games and lost them all. T.O. joins the team and finally gives them a receiver to throw to and they had the best season in team history. Their offense ranked higher with T.O. and this year, well you can guess what happened. And they actually only won two games without T.O., both in the playoffs. T.O. got hurt in week 15 against Big D and they lost their last two games of the regular season and still finished 13-3. T.O. came back from the injury and kept carrying them in the Super Bowl when no one else stepped up. Do you remember how productive the Eagles receivers were the year before T.O. If not, pay close attention to how well they play this upcoming season and you'll find out.

[primetime]

it's funny, TO signs with Dallas and the Cowboy fans sing his praises. word of advice Cowboy fans...

TO is a tremendous receiver. any team that has him has a phenom at receiver. BUT, he will "behave" his first year in Dallas. he will say all the right things, he will get a bunch of stats and Cowboy fans will sit back and tell the masses "SEE!!! TO isnt such a bad guy!".

then if the Cowboys lose in the playoffs because Drew Bledsoe didnt throw him the ball and Bledsoe throws another pick to end the game, TO WILL show his true self. history folks, HISTORY.

in SF, he had one of the greatest catches of all time. his winning TD catch against Green Bay elevated him to superstar status. he followed Jerry Rice and now he was the undisputed #1 receiver in SAN FRANCISCO, a 5 time SuperBowl winner. ask yourself, why isnt he in SF anymore?

then he goes to Philly, says McNabb and him are best friends and they are a perfect match. fans love him, he smiles and TO is Philly's #1 loved guy. TO gets hurt, the Eagles WIN WITHOUT TO and still make the SuperBowl, however he plays magnificently in the Superbowl, but they lose. now ask yourself, why isnt he in Philly anymore?

it is only a matter of time. enjoy the 2006 season. but believe me, he will show his true colors again. find this thread in the future and you will sit back and think, "gee, they were right."

as for Keyshawn Johnson. i HAVE MET THE MAN and he is an asshole. i am still hoping he breaks his leg, ending his season. i cant stand him and watching him run his mouth and producing nothing is wonderful. he was the #1 draft pick, but yet, he isnt anywhere near the top of outstanding receivers. he is now a ROLE player. TO and Keyshawn are one in the same, except TO is a much better athlete.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Without him they went to three straight NFC Championship games and lost them all. T.O. joins the team and finally gives them a receiver to throw to and they had the best season in team history. Their offense ranked higher with T.O. and this year, well you can guess what happened. And they actually only won two games without T.O., both in the playoffs. T.O. got hurt in week 15 against Big D and they lost their last two games of the regular season and still finished 13-3. T.O. came back from the injury and kept carrying them in the Super Bowl when no one else stepped up. Do you remember how productive the Eagles receivers were the year before T.O. If not, pay close attention to how well they play this upcoming season and you'll find out.So if they won both playoff games without him in the lineup then he DID NOT get them to the Super Bowl. Am I right or am I wrong??? How do you say he carried them to the Super Bowl if he did not play??? That is like saying that Troy Aikman lead you to the Super Bowl in 1977 when he did not play ( but then again maybe he did. I am sure he was cheering on the Cowboys from his living room. ) It is stupid to think because he was on the team that he made the difference when he did not play. You lead a team when you are on the field. Not when you are not playing. If that is the scenerio then Donovan McNabb had NOTHING to do with leading the Eagles to the Super Bowl. It was all because of the guy on crutches. He did it. He threw the ball. He caught the ball. He made tackles from the sidelines. I forgot only one man plays a team game. My bad.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

it's funny, TO signs with Dallas and the Cowboy fans sing his praises. word of advice Cowboy fans...

TO is a tremendous receiver. any team that has him has a phenom at receiver. BUT, he will "behave" his first year in Dallas. he will say all the right things, he will get a bunch of stats and Cowboy fans will sit back and tell the masses "SEE!!! TO isnt such a bad guy!".

then if the Cowboys lose in the playoffs because Drew Bledsoe didnt throw him the ball and Bledsoe throws another pick to end the game, TO WILL show his true self. history folks, HISTORY.

in SF, he had one of the greatest catches of all time. his winning TD catch against Green Bay elevated him to superstar status. he followed Jerry Rice and now he was the undisputed #1 receiver in SAN FRANCISCO, a 5 time SuperBowl winner. ask yourself, why isnt he in SF anymore?

then he goes to Philly, says McNabb and him are best friends and they are a perfect match. fans love him, he smiles and TO is Philly's #1 loved guy. TO gets hurt, the Eagles WIN WITHOUT TO and still make the SuperBowl, however he plays magnificently in the Superbowl, but they lose. now ask yourself, why isnt he in Philly anymore?

it is only a matter of time. enjoy the 2006 season. but believe me, he will show his true colors again. find this thread in the future and you will sit back and think, "gee, they were right."

as for Keyshawn Johnson. i HAVE MET THE MAN and he is an asshole. i am still hoping he breaks his leg, ending his season. i cant stand him and watching him run his mouth and producing nothing is wonderful. he was the #1 draft pick, but yet, he isnt anywhere near the top of outstanding receivers. he is now a ROLE player. TO and Keyshawn are one in the same, except TO is a much better athlete.Scary thought Primetime!!! We agree again. I agree with EVERY SINGLE WORD in this post. By the way, great sig pic. Not a big fan of Deion but a VERY good player. Nice touch primetime.

[primetime]

i know, we are agreeing again. i guess we see "eye to eye" in football. NBA is a whole different matter..lol.

this T.O. thing will blow up once again. the man is what he is. a selfish athlete. a great athletic talent, but he epitomizes the world "selfish", thru his actions and his words.

as for the sig pic, i sure wish Deion stayed in SF. ah, the good ol' days...

[stloldg]

I say Parcells will take Owens in the pre-season, by the half way mark of the season Owens will be ready to quit.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

it's funny, TO signs with Dallas and the Cowboy fans sing his praises. word of advice Cowboy fans...

TO is a tremendous receiver. any team that has him has a phenom at receiver. BUT, he will "behave" his first year in Dallas. he will say all the right things, he will get a bunch of stats and Cowboy fans will sit back and tell the masses "SEE!!! TO isnt such a bad guy!".

then if the Cowboys lose in the playoffs because Drew Bledsoe didnt throw him the ball and Bledsoe throws another pick to end the game, TO WILL show his true self. history folks, HISTORY.

in SF, he had one of the greatest catches of all time. his winning TD catch against Green Bay elevated him to superstar status. he followed Jerry Rice and now he was the undisputed #1 receiver in SAN FRANCISCO, a 5 time SuperBowl winner. ask yourself, why isnt he in SF anymore?

then he goes to Philly, says McNabb and him are best friends and they are a perfect match. fans love him, he smiles and TO is Philly's #1 loved guy. TO gets hurt, the Eagles WIN WITHOUT TO and still make the SuperBowl, however he plays magnificently in the Superbowl, but they lose. now ask yourself, why isnt he in Philly anymore?

it is only a matter of time. enjoy the 2006 season. but believe me, he will show his true colors again. find this thread in the future and you will sit back and think, "gee, they were right."

as for Keyshawn Johnson. i HAVE MET THE MAN and he is an asshole. i am still hoping he breaks his leg, ending his season. i cant stand him and watching him run his mouth and producing nothing is wonderful. he was the #1 draft pick, but yet, he isnt anywhere near the top of outstanding receivers. he is now a ROLE player. TO and Keyshawn are one in the same, except TO is a much better athlete.

if this happens, if that happens....no one knows what will happen...u cant assume because TO had a falling out in Philly it will fall the same in Dallas. I never have hated T.O. or any other receiver most of you people hate. I felt T.O. would do fine where ever he went and still do. There are Cowboys fans who want T.O. and a lot who dont so its not everyone "singing his praises." Why can't we be happy we have the best best WR in the game on our team without people who are convinced and hope that T.O. fails and causes trouble in Big D? You can't judge someone you don't know. You could have met Keyshawn but it's not like you sat and talked while having lunch. If you meet a celebrity for five mintues and they are nice that doesnt mean they're that way all the time. I hope T.O. does damn well, proves people who doubt him wrong, and lives his lfe. He sounded very sincere yesterday and I can't wait for the 06 season

[Tickle_Fiend05]

So if they won both playoff games without him in the lineup then he DID NOT get them to the Super Bowl. Am I right or am I wrong??? How do you say he carried them to the Super Bowl if he did not play??? That is like saying that Troy Aikman lead you to the Super Bowl in 1977 when he did not play ( but then again maybe he did. I am sure he was cheering on the Cowboys from his living room. ) It is stupid to think because he was on the team that he made the difference when he did not play. You lead a team when you are on the field. Not when you are not playing. If that is the scenerio then Donovan McNabb had NOTHING to do with leading the Eagles to the Super Bowl. It was all because of the guy on crutches. He did it. He threw the ball. He caught the ball. He made tackles from the sidelines. I forgot only one man plays a team game. My bad.

Two games that T.O. doesn't mean he didn't carry them. He played in 14 other games and WAS THERE ENTIRE OFFENSE. T.O. is the reason McNabb had the increased numbers he did. T.O. is the reason the Eagles offensive production and rankings went into the top 10 and top 5. T.O. came and they started out undeafeated for a while. Got the best record they will ever get. He was brought in because they knew what he could do and he did it. Without T.O. they didnt get to the Superbowl. If T.O. hadn't played in the Superbowl he got them to, the Patroits would have killed the Eagles. Other players contributed but T.O. was the Michael Jordan of the 2004 Philadelphia Eagles.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

I say Parcells will take Owens in the pre-season, by the half way mark of the season Owens will be ready to quit.

T.O. has never quit, never will. He isn't Randy Moss, he doesn't take off plays.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Two games that T.O. doesn't mean he didn't carry them. He played in 14 other games and WAS THERE ENTIRE OFFENSE. T.O. is the reason McNabb had the increased numbers he did. T.O. is the reason the Eagles offensive production and rankings went into the top 10 and top 5. T.O. came and they started out undeafeated for a while. Got the best record they will ever get. He was brought in because they knew what he could do and he did it. Without T.O. they didnt get to the Superbowl. If T.O. hadn't played in the Superbowl he got them to, the Patroits would have killed the Eagles. Other players contributed but T.O. was the Michael Jordan of the 2004 Philadelphia Eagles.How do you carry a team to the Super Bowl if you DO NOT play in the playoffs??? How is this possible??? Did he make catches in the NFC Championship game to guide them to the Super Bowl??? Did I miss something???

[primetime]

tickle fiend, i know you are excited about T.O. being a Cowboy, but wake up and smell the coffee or hot chocolate or smelling salts or whatever. did it ever cross your mind to wonder why so many people dislike T.O.? like you mentioned, you have Cowboy fans who do not want him on the team. WHY is that?

Philly is NOT the first place Owens made an ass out of himself. he did it in SF. his career started there. he made plays there. remember the Sharpie incident? he was wearing a 49ers uniform. now, ever wonder why Owens is no longer a 49er?

let's go over this man's history. he insinuated that a former teammate of his is "gay" (Jeff Garcia). he was disciplined by Mariucci and the 49er organization for "conduct detrimental to the team". the 49ers were going to send him to Baltimore, but Owens cries like a bitch and gets the NFL to rescind the trade, pissing off the Ravens. he gets to Philly, behaves for a while, but what happened?

by the way, please pay attention to reality. the Philly Eagles made it to THREE STRAIGHT NFC title games BEFORE Owens got there. Owens is NOT the reason why the Eagles got to the SuperBowl. why? HE DIDNT FREAKIN PLAY!!! in other words, the Eagles made it to FOUR straight NFC title games and played ALL FOUR WITHOUT OWENS, so HOW did Owens get the Eagles to the SuperBowl? explain that please.

now, before he got to Philly, he loved McNabb. but when they lost, all of the sudden, Owens starts to rip McNabb. just like he did Garcia. he then gets in conflicts with Eagles management, just like he did with the 49ers. do you notice a pattern?

you say he sounds sincere? OF COURSE HE IS GOING TO SOUND SINCERE!!! he is trying to play football again. in fact, he will behave himself and people like you are going to say "see, i told you so", but what happens when the Cowboys start losing and he starts yelling at his QB because he isnt getting the ball? then you will see Owens true nature surface again.

as for Keyshawn Johnson, man, you must like the arrogant players. Keyshawn opens his mouth in New York, leaves, opens his mouth in Tampa, they cut him, then in Dallas he gets gets punished there as well. do you notice a pattern?

of course you want Owens to do well because he plays for your team. but, he played for my team and i'm glad he is gone. no one will dispute his talent, but the man is a cancer. it is only a matter of time before it happens in Dallas.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

tickle fiend, i know you are excited about T.O. being a Cowboy, but wake up and smell the coffee or hot chocolate or smelling salts or whatever. did it ever cross your mind to wonder why so many people dislike T.O.? like you mentioned, you have Cowboy fans who do not want him on the team. WHY is that?

Philly is NOT the first place Owens made an ass out of himself. he did it in SF. his career started there. he made plays there. remember the Sharpie incident? he was wearing a 49ers uniform. now, ever wonder why Owens is no longer a 49er?

let's go over this man's history. he insinuated that a former teammate of his is "gay" (Jeff Garcia). he was disciplined by Mariucci and the 49er organization for "conduct detrimental to the team". the 49ers were going to send him to Baltimore, but Owens cries like a bitch and gets the NFL to rescind the trade, pissing off the Ravens. he gets to Philly, behaves for a while, but what happened?

by the way, please pay attention to reality. the Philly Eagles made it to THREE STRAIGHT NFC title games BEFORE Owens got there. Owens is NOT the reason why the Eagles got to the SuperBowl. why? HE DIDNT FREAKIN PLAY!!! in other words, the Eagles made it to FOUR straight NFC title games and played ALL FOUR WITHOUT OWENS, so HOW did Owens get the Eagles to the SuperBowl? explain that please.

now, before he got to Philly, he loved McNabb. but when they lost, all of the sudden, Owens starts to rip McNabb. just like he did Garcia. he then gets in conflicts with Eagles management, just like he did with the 49ers. do you notice a pattern?

you say he sounds sincere? OF COURSE HE IS GOING TO SOUND SINCERE!!! he is trying to play football again. in fact, he will behave himself and people like you are going to say "see, i told you so", but what happens when the Cowboys start losing and he starts yelling at his QB because he isnt getting the ball? then you will see Owens true nature surface again.

as for Keyshawn Johnson, man, you must like the arrogant players. Keyshawn opens his mouth in New York, leaves, opens his mouth in Tampa, they cut him, then in Dallas he gets gets punished there as well. do you notice a pattern?

of course you want Owens to do well because he plays for your team. but, he played for my team and i'm glad he is gone. no one will dispute his talent, but the man is a cancer. it is only a matter of time before it happens in Dallas.Primetime, I am so glad we are working on the same side of the fence with this one. So well stated and documented. Who can argue with logic??? I guess only time will tell. But you and I know Crybaby Owens will resurface himself. It is only a matter of time. :rolleyes:

[Tickle_Fiend05]

tickle fiend, i know you are excited about T.O. being a Cowboy, but wake up and smell the coffee or hot chocolate or smelling salts or whatever. did it ever cross your mind to wonder why so many people dislike T.O.? like you mentioned, you have Cowboy fans who do not want him on the team. WHY is that?

Philly is NOT the first place Owens made an ass out of himself. he did it in SF. his career started there. he made plays there. remember the Sharpie incident? he was wearing a 49ers uniform. now, ever wonder why Owens is no longer a 49er?

let's go over this man's history. he insinuated that a former teammate of his is "gay" (Jeff Garcia). he was disciplined by Mariucci and the 49er organization for "conduct detrimental to the team". the 49ers were going to send him to Baltimore, but Owens cries like a bitch and gets the NFL to rescind the trade, pissing off the Ravens. he gets to Philly, behaves for a while, but what happened?

by the way, please pay attention to reality. the Philly Eagles made it to THREE STRAIGHT NFC title games BEFORE Owens got there. Owens is NOT the reason why the Eagles got to the SuperBowl. why? HE DIDNT FREAKIN PLAY!!! in other words, the Eagles made it to FOUR straight NFC title games and played ALL FOUR WITHOUT OWENS, so HOW did Owens get the Eagles to the SuperBowl? explain that please.

now, before he got to Philly, he loved McNabb. but when they lost, all of the sudden, Owens starts to rip McNabb. just like he did Garcia. he then gets in conflicts with Eagles management, just like he did with the 49ers. do you notice a pattern?

you say he sounds sincere? OF COURSE HE IS GOING TO SOUND SINCERE!!! he is trying to play football again. in fact, he will behave himself and people like you are going to say "see, i told you so", but what happens when the Cowboys start losing and he starts yelling at his QB because he isnt getting the ball? then you will see Owens true nature surface again.

as for Keyshawn Johnson, man, you must like the arrogant players. Keyshawn opens his mouth in New York, leaves, opens his mouth in Tampa, they cut him, then in Dallas he gets gets punished there as well. do you notice a pattern?

of course you want Owens to do well because he plays for your team. but, he played for my team and i'm glad he is gone. no one will dispute his talent, but the man is a cancer. it is only a matter of time before it happens in Dallas.

I don't care what happened in the past. This aint Philly or San Fran. He'll do fine, finish his career in Big D and hopefully win a ring or two. As for the Eagles, when they got to the first three NFC Championships they lost. They year T.O. comes they win? Coincidence? No. I don't care if he played or not. I guess that season they skipped the regular season and went straight to the playoffs. Without T.O. the Eagles had no chance to win the Super Bowl. I wish he didn't play in that game so you could see how much he was to that team. Now they have no WR and will have a hell of a fight to win the NFC East, which won't happen. Stupid of them to give up T.O. for nothing and I hope they pay big time for it. And I guess if "people like me", since you know me so well, will say "I told you so" then I guess people like you and your other buddy will be the ones saying the same for any little incident. People like you will be waiting for any excuse to prove T.O. is just the person you said. People change, people grown and T.O. has said he has learned his mistakes. Now we have to wait and see what happens.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Primetime, I am so glad we are working on the same side of the fence with this one. So well stated and documented. Who can argue with logic??? I guess only time will tell. But you and I know Crybaby Owens will resurface himself. It is only a matter of time. :rolleyes:

Just get married already :Kiss2:

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Just get married already :Kiss2:That was uncalled for.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

I don't care what happened in the past. This aint Philly or San Fran. He'll do fine, finish his career in Big D and hopefully win a ring or two. As for the Eagles, when they got to the first three NFC Championships they lost. They year T.O. comes they win? Coincidence? No. I don't care if he played or not. I guess that season they skipped the regular season and went straight to the playoffs. Without T.O. the Eagles had no chance to win the Super Bowl. I wish he didn't play in that game so you could see how much he was to that team. Now they have no WR and will have a hell of a fight to win the NFC East, which won't happen. Stupid of them to give up T.O. for nothing and I hope they pay big time for it. And I guess if "people like me", since you know me so well, will say "I told you so" then I guess people like you and your other buddy will be the ones saying the same for any little incident. People like you will be waiting for any excuse to prove T.O. is just the person you said. People change, people grown and T.O. has said he has learned his mistakes. Now we have to wait and see what happens.What would change him??? Does a leopard change his spots??? He is a first class jerk and judging from your comment after this post, you are not far behind that. I was beginning to like you and give you the benefit of the doubt. I guess my first impression was right.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

What would change him??? Does a leopard change his spots??? He is a first class jerk and judging from your comment after this post, you are not far behind that. I was beginning to like you and give you the benefit of the doubt. I guess my first impression was right.

You judge people you don't know to much. One comment turns you off? Calm down, relax.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

You judge people you don't know to much. One comment turns you off? Calm down, relax.
Let me tell you hat for 20 years, I have been a manager. I hire people I have NEVER met before based on a ten minute or less interview. Since, I don't like to fire people I have developed a certain skill in regards to people. I know when they are BS artists and I know when they are okay people. It is a VERY useful skill. It is also how I survive out here. I know who to talk to and who to stay away from. Again, it is a skill or instinct I have developed. When I see Terrell Owens and I listen to his words and watch how he talks into a camera ( or doesn't ) I know who he is. Probably better than most. He will not cause you guys to many problems in 2006. I would enjoy the year though. He is not a nice guy. He accuses people of things and blames everyone for losing instead of going with the matra we win as a team and lose as a team. When you have a guy who points fingers at other people that is a problem. All you have to do is watch the signs. Your little cheap shot is something that TO would do. So if you want me to calm down you will delete that post. Then I will calm down.

[primetime]

tickle fiend, listen to yourself. OF COURSE you dont care about what happened in the past because Terrell Owens plays for YOUR favorite team. if Owens went to, oh let's say, the Redskins, you wouldnt give a rat's ass about Owens. now that he is wearing a big Dallas star on his helmet, now you are going to give the man the benefit of the doubt.

guess what? Philly fans were saying the same damn thing when he showed up in Philly. they "didnt care" about his troubles in SF and he and McNabb are good buddies, unlike him and Jeff Garcia. you must be 4 years old or something to not remember the ruckus he caused in SF. besides being a nuisance, he wanted out of SF because he wanted more money. he gets to Philly, has a good year, but after being there for 1 YEAR, he wanted a new contract. he becomes a nuisance again and lo and behold, ANOTHER team let's him go.

the sad thing is, Philly was a winning organization and he screwed that up. Owens fans point out that SF was going to go belly up, that's why he wanted out. but what about Philly?

you do realize you make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE when you said the Eagles never make the SuperBowl without Owens. you said their regular season proves that. again, you must be like 4 years old or something. in the three previous NFC title games before Owens, Philly had homefield advantage, which means their REGULAR SEASONS were GREAT. there was no real difference in records before Owens and when Owens was there. all he did was bring a little more excitement. but he didnt PLAY in the NFC title game. football is the ultimate team game. if you do not play, you will not be considered "carrying the team". how can you? that's like saying the Chicago Bulls making the NBA finals and Jordan didnt play at all in the Eastern Conference Finals, but Michael got them there. Owens didnt throw a pass, block a man, catch a pass, tackle, kick, run, punt, score a TD, intercept a pass, force a fumble, recover a fumble, get a sack, record a safety, blitz, run back in a zone, or call plays, ONE TIME in the NFC title game over the Falcons. the EAGLES got to the SuperBowl WITHOUT Owens. but of course, you cant see it.

in 2006, Owens is going to "play nice", but when trouble sets in, like losing, or he isnt getting the ball, then you will see Owens' nature come out. wait and see.

wait a second, arent you a Blazers fan? now i understand why you like athletes with "social problems". yeah, the Jailblazers were fun to watch huh?

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Let me tell you hat for 20 years, I have been a manager. I hire people I have NEVER met before based on a ten minute or less interview. Since, I don't like to fire people I have developed a certain skill in regards to people. I know when they are BS artists and I know when they are okay people. It is a VERY useful skill. It is also how I survive out here. I know who to talk to and who to stay away from. Again, it is a skill or instinct I have developed. When I see Terrell Owens and I listen to his words and watch how he talks into a camera ( or doesn't ) I know who he is. Probably better than most. He will not cause you guys to many problems in 2006. I would enjoy the year though. He is not a nice guy. He accuses people of things and blames everyone for losing instead of going with the matra we win as a team and lose as a team. When you have a guy who points fingers at other people that is a problem. All you have to do is watch the signs. Your little cheap shot is something that TO would do. So if you want me to calm down you will delete that post. Then I will calm down.

Like I said you can't judge someone you don't know. All you know about T.O. is coming to you through a second hand source. The Cowboys organization(Jerry, players, radio hosts on their websites) have heard a lot of good things about T.O. He must not be too bad if his former teammates and people who have worked with him before are saying he isn't as bad as the media makes him to be. And these are people who know T.O., not know about him. They give you one side of the story and you buy into it. As Jerry Jones said, he will start scoring T.O. today. He'll be judge by what he does and Dallas, not anything in the past.

[falconfan]

The only reason reason T.O isn't in S.F is that he had problems with At the time dennis erickson [Who is now a collage coach] and he was released after before week 17 in 2003.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

tickle fiend, listen to yourself. OF COURSE you dont care about what happened in the past because Terrell Owens plays for YOUR favorite team. if Owens went to, oh let's say, the Redskins, you wouldnt give a rat's ass about Owens. now that he is wearing a big Dallas star on his helmet, now you are going to give the man the benefit of the doubt.

guess what? Philly fans were saying the same damn thing when he showed up in Philly. they "didnt care" about his troubles in SF and he and McNabb are good buddies, unlike him and Jeff Garcia. you must be 4 years old or something to not remember the ruckus he caused in SF. besides being a nuisance, he wanted out of SF because he wanted more money. he gets to Philly, has a good year, but after being there for 1 YEAR, he wanted a new contract. he becomes a nuisance again and lo and behold, ANOTHER team let's him go.

the sad thing is, Philly was a winning organization and he screwed that up. Owens fans point out that SF was going to go belly up, that's why he wanted out. but what about Philly?

you do realize you make ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE when you said the Eagles never make the SuperBowl without Owens. you said their regular season proves that. again, you must be like 4 years old or something. in the three previous NFC title games before Owens, Philly had homefield advantage, which means their REGULAR SEASONS were GREAT. there was no real difference in records before Owens and when Owens was there. all he did was bring a little more excitement. but he didnt PLAY in the NFC title game. football is the ultimate team game. if you do not play, you will not be considered "carrying the team". how can you? that's like saying the Chicago Bulls making the NBA finals and Jordan didnt play at all in the Eastern Conference Finals, but Michael got them there. Owens didnt throw a pass, block a man, catch a pass, tackle, kick, run, punt, score a TD, intercept a pass, force a fumble, recover a fumble, get a sack, record a safety, blitz, run back in a zone, or call plays, ONE TIME in the NFC title game over the Falcons. the EAGLES got to the SuperBowl WITHOUT Owens. but of course, you cant see it.

in 2006, Owens is going to "play nice", but when trouble sets in, like losing, or he isnt getting the ball, then you will see Owens' nature come out. wait and see.

wait a second, arent you a Blazers fan? now i understand why you like athletes with "social problems". yeah, the Jailblazers were fun to watch huh?

It's funny how people can get into your brain and tell you what you are/were thinking, but let me make myself clear. From the very beginning I felt the Eagles were stupid for releasing this man. They should have kept him and worked things out or got something for him. Before the CBA was done, they had T.O. landing in Denver or K.C. At that time I prefered he went to K.C. I wanted to see him do well in K.C. and help that team. After the CBA, they felt he could also go to Dallas or Washington. I sure as hell didn't want him to go to Washington and help that team. I wanted him in Dallas at that point because I know he would help whatever team he went to. Wherever he went I felt/feel he would do fine. I never hated T.O. I didn't like when he went to the star and was glad George Teague went and busted his ass the second time. I didn't want T.O. to do well against the Cwobys and didn't want him to do too well in Philly because I hate that team. I don't hate players, never have. I like the flambouyant stlye players have today and love seeing them have fun and entertaining us.

As I said before, I don't care what happened in the past. His time in Dallas started officially Saturdayt afternoon and that's what matters. How long has T.O. been in the league? He was with the 49ers for 8 years. Of those eight he had "trouble" in two. He went to Philly and had trouble in one year. Forget the other seven years when he did just fine. He had trouble in Philly, oh well. I sure as hell won't feel sorry for and organization who has fans that cheer career threating injuries. I'm not saying that for sure T.O. will be perfect in Dallas, although I think he will. This is a new stage in his life. He has experienced things now that he hadn't experienced before. I'm using the wait and see approach. You should too instead of having your mind made up. Keyshawn had a similar situation in Tampa and what happened in Dallas?

As for the Eagles and their Super Bowl, T.O. got them there, case closed. He was brought in for a reason. They had the best season in team history. T.O. improved that offense and helped McNabbs stats a lot. You don't get to where the Eagles got in the playoffs unless you a have great regular season. They managed to win two games without T.O. and they lost two. T.O. was the deal when he played. If he didn't play in the Super Bowl the Eagles would have got killed. He still carried them after coming off of an injury. The Bulls got to their level with MJ. Without him they didn't win a championship, just as the Eagles losing three straight Championship games w/o T.O. The Bulls did well without MJ but didn't get to where they wanted to be, just as the Eagles and T.O. You can't discard 14 other games because he didn't play in two. You say I can't see that T.O. didn't help the Eagles get to the Superbowl. It seems to me that you can't see all that he did for the Eagles. The Eagles won't do well this year offensively. They released their offense last week.

And I was a Traiblazer fan before they were labled the Jailblazers. There cleaning it up and have some good young players. Me liking the T.O. or nay other player has nothing to do with my interest in the Portland Trailblazers.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

It's funny how people can get into your brain and tell you what you are/were thinking, but let me make myself clear. From the very beginning I felt the Eagles were stupid for releasing this man. They should have kept him and worked things out or got something for him. Before the CBA was done, they had T.O. landing in Denver or K.C. At that time I prefered he went to K.C. I wanted to see him do well in K.C. and help that team. After the CBA, they felt he could also go to Dallas or Washington. I sure as hell didn't want him to go to Washington and help that team. I wanted him in Dallas at that point because I know he would help whatever team he went to. Wherever he went I felt/feel he would do fine. I never hated T.O. I didn't like when he went to the star and was glad George Teague went and busted his ass the second time. I didn't want T.O. to do well against the Cwobys and didn't want him to do too well in Philly because I hate that team. I don't hate players, never have. I like the flambouyant stlye players have today and love seeing them have fun and entertaining us.

As I said before, I don't care what happened in the past. His time in Dallas started officially Saturdayt afternoon and that's what matters. How long has T.O. been in the league? He was with the 49ers for 8 years. Of those eight he had "trouble" in two. He went to Philly and had trouble in one year. Forget the other seven years when he did just fine. He had trouble in Philly, oh well. I sure as hell won't feel sorry for and organization who has fans that cheer career threating injuries. I'm not saying that for sure T.O. will be perfect in Dallas, although I think he will. This is a new stage in his life. He has experienced things now that he hadn't experienced before. I'm using the wait and see approach. You should too instead of having your mind made up. Keyshawn had a similar situation in Tampa and what happened in Dallas?

As for the Eagles and their Super Bowl, T.O. got them there, case closed. He was brought in for a reason. They had the best season in team history. T.O. improved that offense and helped McNabbs stats a lot. You don't get to where the Eagles got in the playoffs unless you a have great regular season. They managed to win two games without T.O. and they lost two. T.O. was the deal when he played. If he didn't play in the Super Bowl the Eagles would have got killed. He still carried them after coming off of an injury. The Bulls got to their level with MJ. Without him they didn't win a championship, just as the Eagles losing three straight Championship games w/o T.O. The Bulls did well without MJ but didn't get to where they wanted to be, just as the Eagles and T.O. You can't discard 14 other games because he didn't play in two. You say I can't see that T.O. didn't help the Eagles get to the Superbowl. It seems to me that you can't see all that he did for the Eagles. The Eagles won't do well this year offensively. They released their offense last week.

And I was a Traiblazer fan before they were labled the Jailblazers. There cleaning it up and have some good young players. Me liking the T.O. or nay other player has nothing to do with my interest in the Portland Trailblazers.
" The Eagles losing three straight Championship games w/o T.O." They also won a championship game without T.O. He NEVER helped them get to the Super Bowl. You point out, they won 2 games without him and lost 2 games without him. It the most important game of T.O. career the Super Bowl they LOST!!! As a TEAM. There is the bottomline. You say the Eagles would have gotten killed without him. We will never know that. Why??? Because they won the most important game to that point ( The NFC Championship game ) without T.O. playing.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

" The Eagles losing three straight Championship games w/o T.O." They also won a championship game without T.O. He NEVER helped them get to the Super Bowl. You point out, they won 2 games without him and lost 2 games without him. It the most important game of T.O. career the Super Bowl they LOST!!! As a TEAM. There is the bottomline. You say the Eagles would have gotten killed without him. We will never know that. Why??? Because they won the most important game to that point ( The NFC Championship game ) without T.O. playing.

They lost the Superbowl because they faced a good team, a team much better than them. If you don't think T.O. helped the Eagles reach the Super Bowl then you are either crazy or high. The Eagles played there way into the Super Bowl. T.O. made his stats and he made McNabbs. All you have to do is look at how much they got better with T.O. They got as far as they did because of T.O. He was the offense and he put up the points. You can just look at their receiver production this past season. He still outplayed every receiver on that team. T.O. was the Eagles hope and now they have lost that.

[primetime]

tickle fiend, you sure seem to have problems understanding logic. you keep saying T.O. got the Eagles to the SuperBowl. HOW????

you said, Owens was their offense. if i remember correctly, Brian Westbrook's production had a lot to do with it as well. granted, Owens stats helped improve the Eagles and they did well. but here is where your logic makes no sense. they way you put it, you make it seem like the Eagles offense was completely inept before Owens got there. yet, this same "inept" offense made it to the NFC title game THREE years in a row. not too many teams can say that. now, T.O. got hurt in like game 12 or 13 and everyone thought the Eagles were done. BUT, they still won the Divisional playoff game and presto! they are in the NFC title game AGAIN. how could this possibly happen if the guy who "got them there" wasnt even in uniform? then, they played another NFC title game without Owens and they win! how could they do this with the same cast of players before Terrell got there?

the simple fact that the Eagles won the NFC title game WITHOUT Owens playing kills your warped logic. how can a player get his team to the SuperBowl WITHOUT playing? that is what you have to explain. your only rationale comes from the regular season. Owens didnt play the entire regular season and played ONE post season game which was the SuperBowl. please, for the sake of logic, explain how Owens can get the Eagles to the SuperBowl WITHOUT playing. i know you have better sense than this. before you post your reply, please make sure you think out your answer. ask yourself, "how can a guy get his team to the SuperBowl without playing?" keep in mind, his regular season performance has absolutely NO bearing on the NFC title game. his stats didnt "magically" appear in the NFC title game. what was Owens stats in the NFC title game? ZERO catches, ZERO yards. he DID NOT PLAY.

how come i got a feeling you're going to screw this up?

[Tickle_Fiend05]

tickle fiend, you sure seem to have problems understanding logic. you keep saying T.O. got the Eagles to the SuperBowl. HOW????

you said, Owens was their offense. if i remember correctly, Brian Westbrook's production had a lot to do with it as well. granted, Owens stats helped improve the Eagles and they did well. but here is where your logic makes no sense. they way you put it, you make it seem like the Eagles offense was completely inept before Owens got there. yet, this same "inept" offense made it to the NFC title game THREE years in a row. not too many teams can say that. now, T.O. got hurt in like game 12 or 13 and everyone thought the Eagles were done. BUT, they still won the Divisional playoff game and presto! they are in the NFC title game AGAIN. how could this possibly happen if the guy who "got them there" wasnt even in uniform? then, they played another NFC title game without Owens and they win! how could they do this with the same cast of players before Terrell got there?

the simple fact that the Eagles won the NFC title game WITHOUT Owens playing kills your warped logic. how can a player get his team to the SuperBowl WITHOUT playing? that is what you have to explain. your only rationale comes from the regular season. Owens didnt play the entire regular season and played ONE post season game which was the SuperBowl. please, for the sake of logic, explain how Owens can get the Eagles to the SuperBowl WITHOUT playing. i know you have better sense than this. before you post your reply, please make sure you think out your answer. ask yourself, "how can a guy get his team to the SuperBowl without playing?" keep in mind, his regular season performance has absolutely NO bearing on the NFC title game. his stats didnt "magically" appear in the NFC title game. what was Owens stats in the NFC title game? ZERO catches, ZERO yards. he DID NOT PLAY.

how come i got a feeling you're going to screw this up?

You play the regular season to get to the playoffs. I don't know who this EVERYBODY is that you speak of. The Eagles had won thirteen games when T.O. got hurt. The next to they played they lost and finished 13-3 so I don't know what you mean by saying everyone thought they were done. What you do in the regular season decided what you do in the post season. I'm looking at T.O.'s affect as a whole not on two games like you are, even if it was such a big game. You say that T.O.'s stats didn't magically appear in the NFC title game, well neither did the Eagles team. Brian Westbrook became known in the 2004 season. You don't think T.O.'s presence helped Westbrook get to his first Pro Bowl. Teams were focused on who? You act as if they were asked to play a whole season without T.O. They managed to win two games, okay. The fact is that bringing in T.O. moved the Eagles to the next level to where they would even be playing in the Super Bowl. T.O. went to Philly to put them in that game, words that every player and personnel on the Eagles sayed the minute he arrived. T.O. did his job and came back to carry the team in the Super Bowl. If the Eagles had to play the Pats in the Conference Championships they would have neer made it. T.O. did his job and I'm glad to have him in Big D.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

You play the regular season to get to the playoffs. I don't know who this EVERYBODY is that you speak of. The Eagles had won thirteen games when T.O. got hurt. The next to they played they lost and finished 13-3 so I don't know what you mean by saying everyone thought they were done. What you do in the regular season decided what you do in the post season. I'm looking at T.O.'s affect as a whole not on two games like you are, even if it was such a big game. You say that T.O.'s stats didn't magically appear in the NFC title game, well neither did the Eagles team. Brian Westbrook became known in the 2004 season. You don't think T.O.'s presence helped Westbrook get to his first Pro Bowl. Teams were focused on who? You act as if they were asked to play a whole season without T.O. They managed to win two games, okay. The fact is that bringing in T.O. moved the Eagles to the next level to where they would even be playing in the Super Bowl. T.O. went to Philly to put them in that game, words that every player and personnel on the Eagles sayed the minute he arrived. T.O. did his job and came back to carry the team in the Super Bowl. If the Eagles had to play the Pats in the Conference Championships they would have neer made it. T.O. did his job and I'm glad to have him in Big D.Let's take a different angle since you keep dropping the ball here. How did the Eagles get to the NFC Championship Game for three straight years WITHOUT Crybaby??? Then how did they win the NFC Championship Game versus the Falcons without him???

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Let's take a different angle since you keep dropping the ball here. How did the Eagles get to the NFC Championship Game for three straight years WITHOUT Crybaby??? Then how did they win the NFC Championship Game versus the Falcons without him???

Maybe if you put some power on the ball it would at least reach me halfway. We can look at it from another angle also. What did the Eagles achieve in those three years T.O. wasn't on their sideline and the two he was? The year he came they got to the game they wanted to get to

[primetime]

yep, you screwed it up.

did you honestly say "what you do in the regular season decided what you do in the postseason"? looking back at your post, you did.... sad, sad, sad.

if that was true, then Indianapolis would have been in the SuperBowl and there's no way in hell the Steelers even get to the SuperBowl. if that was true, then Pittsburgh should have gotten to the SuperBowl in the 2004 season. after all, they went 15-1. your logic is ridiculous.

you really dont get it do you? how did the Eagles win the game without Owens playing? let me know what Owens did in the NFC title game that made the Eagles win. PLEASE TELL ME!!!! what did Owens do IN THAT SPECIFIC game that made the Eagles win? hell even McNabb said "we can win without T.O." and guess what? THEY DID!!!!!

i think you already know you sound like someone with no common sense. right now, you're trying your best, but my friend, you are simply making yourself look more and more inept at simple logic.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Maybe if you put some power on the ball it would at least reach me halfway. We can look at it from another angle also. What did the Eagles achieve in those three years T.O. wasn't on their sideline and the two he was? The year he came they got to the game they wanted to get to
But did he play in the game they needed him to play to get to the game they wanted to play??? Answer this question for me please. I know the answer already but I want to know if you know the answer. How many catches did T.O have in the NFC Championship Game? How many times did Donovan McNabb throw in his direction on the firld??? How many patterns did he run in the NFC Championship game??? Then tell me what his contribution was to that particular game that put them over the top and into the Super Bowl. Please don't tell me about regular season. They were the best team in the NFC for three years running prior to T.O getting there. How did he put them over the top in that NFC Championship Game and into the Super Bowl that year?

[Tickle_Fiend05]

yep, you screwed it up.

did you honestly say "what you do in the regular season decided what you do in the postseason"? looking back at your post, you did.... sad, sad, sad.

if that was true, then Indianapolis would have been in the SuperBowl and there's no way in hell the Steelers even get to the SuperBowl. if that was true, then Pittsburgh should have gotten to the SuperBowl in the 2004 season. after all, they went 15-1. your logic is ridiculous.

you really dont get it do you? how did the Eagles win the game without Owens playing? let me know what Owens did in the NFC title game that made the Eagles win. PLEASE TELL ME!!!! what did Owens do IN THAT SPECIFIC game that made the Eagles win? hell even McNabb said "we can win without T.O." and guess what? THEY DID!!!!!

i think you already know you sound like someone with no common sense. right now, you're trying your best, but my friend, you are simply making yourself look more and more inept at simple logic.


Actually I think you don't understand. The Eagles went 13-3 in the regular season and were able to get home-field advantage. Since when does the regular season not matter? Are you trying to tell me that the regular season has no influence whatsoever on the playoffs? They won 13 mf games. Do you realize what T.O. did for that team? If you can't see what T.O. did for the Eagles then you are crazy and I don't even need to continue this argument. You have people on the fk'ing team who said how much he did for that team. I know you don't like T.O. but come on. I know T.O. didn't play in the NFC title game but was that the only game they played. There are other things that they must achieve in order to reach such a level. Without doing well in the regular season you can't get to the playoffs or the Superbowl. Oh and just because you think I don't understand your argument doesn't mean I don't have common sense. It's called disagreeing. And just because you have someone who agrees with you doesn't mean you are right, it's called an opinion.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

But did he play in the game they needed him to play to get to the game they wanted to play??? Answer this question for me please. I know the answer already but I want to know if you know the answer. How many catches did T.O have in the NFC Championship Game? How many times did Donovan McNabb throw in his direction on the firld??? How many patterns did he run in the NFC Championship game??? Then tell me what his contribution was to that particular game that put them over the top and into the Super Bowl. Please don't tell me about regular season. They were the best team in the NFC for three years running prior to T.O getting there. How did he put them over the top in that NFC Championship Game and into the Super Bowl that year?

The Eagles were in the position they were in the playoffs because of the regular season. They had 13 wins when T.O. went down and got homefield. Had T.O. not played during the regualr season why shouldn't I believe they wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl. I think they would have been no higher than a 3 seed. You do know there is more to an NFL season than the playoffs or just the Conference Championships, right? Or do you tune in once the playoffs begin because thats what it sounds like.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

The Eagles were in the position they were in the playoffs because of the regular season. They had 13 wins when T.O. went down and got homefield. Had T.O. not played during the regualr season why shouldn't I believe they wouldn't have made it to the Super Bowl. I think they would have been no higher than a 3 seed. You do know there is more to an NFL season than the playoffs or just the Conference Championships, right? Or do you tune in once the playoffs begin because thats what it sounds like.So the fact that you didn't answer the questions that I asked means that you don't know the answers. By the way, they were the one seed for the 3 straight years prior. Why should you all of a sudden say they would have been a 3 seed. You know what??? You better get your skirt ironed and your pom-poms filled. Season is right around the corner. T.O needs you to cheer his name. :D

[Tickle_Fiend05]

So the fact that you didn't answer the questions that I asked means that you don't know the answers. By the way, they were the one seed for the 3 straight years prior. Why should you all of a sudden say they would have been a 3 seed. You know what??? You better get your skirt ironed and your pom-poms filled. Season is right around the corner. T.O needs you to cheer his name. :D

I'll put them on as soon as you get of off Primetime's d*ck. And I guess they made history if they were a number 1 seed all three years they were in the NFC Championship. They must have been the first number 1 seed ever to play on the road when they played the Rams. Thank you for bringing that piece of history to my attention. And I see you answered none of my questions either so I guess you don't know the answer to them either. This season I will cheer T.O. and you will be due with Primetime's baby. That'll be a part of history there too.

[primetime]

hey "genius" and i use that term loosely, you realize that myself and ticklingfeet4fu have something in common. that is a brain. face facts man, you have absolutely no idea on what you are talking about.

so when the Eagles played Carolina in 2004, was it at Carolina's place? NO. that must mean that Philly had a good regular season. when they played Tampa Bay in 2003, was it at Tampa? NO. that must mean Philly had a good regular season. they didnt sneak into the title game, they had homefield advantage for crying out loud. so tell me, what did Terrell Owens do that made the Eagles different from previous years? all he did was give them a better target to throw to and bring some excitement. the Eagles ALREADY were a good team. the simple fact that they made 3 title games in a row BEFORE Owens got there proves that. Owens is NOT the reason why the Eagles made the SuperBowl.

you also made a mistake. the Eagles won TWO playoff games to get to the SuperBowl WITHOUT Owens. like you said, Owens was hurt in week 13 or 14, and the Eagles managed to win TWO postseason games without him. HOW did Owens get them into the SuperBowl? HOW??? you keep talking about the regular season, but like i pointed out, the regular season DOES NOT translate into postseason success. look at the Steelers for crying out loud. they were 11-5 in the regular season, the #6 seed, and played ALL of their playoff games on the road and they won. they didnt have a spectacular regular season and they got the job done. Indianapolis had the best record in the AFC and what did it get them. regular season success means nothing unless you win in the postseason. even a person like you can understand that simple fact.

Owens played a PART in the Eagles success, but that team was already built to get to the SuperBowl. Owens was brought in to help them get over the hump in the NFC title game and he didnt do that. he didnt play in that game. big damn deal he played in the regular season. that is meaningless when it comes to the NFC title game. stop being stupid and realize what we are trying to say.

i know this for sure. when Owens shows his true colors and Jerry Jones throws him out of Dallas, will you still "side" with Owens? nope. keep in mind that Jerry Jones himself said "this MAY work", he didnt say "this WILL work". i wonder why he used the term "may". there's a reason behind it. wake up and pay attention.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

I'll put them on as soon as you get of off Primetime's d*ck. And I guess they made history if they were a number 1 seed all three years they were in the NFC Championship. They must have been the first number 1 seed ever to play on the road when they played the Rams. Thank you for bringing that piece of history to my attention. And I see you answered none of my questions either so I guess you don't know the answer to them either. This season I will cheer T.O. and you will be due with Primetime's baby. That'll be a part of history there too.You know the skirt thing was a joke. I am not a Fag. You continue to resort to such measure Fiend. You did last year with me and you are doing it again. All I meant was be a cheerleader. You have failed to answer ANY of my questions. Point blank- once more, how many catches did T.O. have in the NFC Championship game for the Eagles??? So they played on the road against the Rams. You are absolutely right about that!!! Nice research on your part. Do you see where I give credit where credit is due??? You resort to all kinds of slander and calling names. I think I will act my age and not really get PISSED at you. But the bottomline here is they went to three NFC Championship games without T.O. Am I right, so far??? Did T.O. do anything in the PLAYOFFS Fiend prior to the Super Bowl??? Forget regular season because they PROVED in past years they were the SECOND BEST team in the NFC by virtue of losing the Conference Championship game. What did T.O. DO IN THE PLAYOFFS TO PUT THE EAGLES OVER THE TOP??? ANSWER THE QUESTION. If you can't answer the questions, then just drop the subject. And we will all move on.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

hey "genius" and i use that term loosely, you realize that myself and ticklingfeet4fu have something in common. that is a brain. face facts man, you have absolutely no idea on what you are talking about.

so when the Eagles played Carolina in 2004, was it at Carolina's place? NO. that must mean that Philly had a good regular season. when they played Tampa Bay in 2003, was it at Tampa? NO. that must mean Philly had a good regular season. they didnt sneak into the title game, they had homefield advantage for crying out loud. so tell me, what did Terrell Owens do that made the Eagles different from previous years? all he did was give them a better target to throw to and bring some excitement. the Eagles ALREADY were a good team. the simple fact that they made 3 title games in a row BEFORE Owens got there proves that. Owens is NOT the reason why the Eagles made the SuperBowl.

you also made a mistake. the Eagles won TWO playoff games to get to the SuperBowl WITHOUT Owens. like you said, Owens was hurt in week 13 or 14, and the Eagles managed to win TWO postseason games without him. HOW did Owens get them into the SuperBowl? HOW??? you keep talking about the regular season, but like i pointed out, the regular season DOES NOT translate into postseason success. look at the Steelers for crying out loud. they were 11-5 in the regular season, the #6 seed, and played ALL of their playoff games on the road and they won. they didnt have a spectacular regular season and they got the job done. Indianapolis had the best record in the AFC and what did it get them. regular season success means nothing unless you win in the postseason. even a person like you can understand that simple fact.

Owens played a PART in the Eagles success, but that team was already built to get to the SuperBowl. Owens was brought in to help them get over the hump in the NFC title game and he didnt do that. he didnt play in that game. big damn deal he played in the regular season. that is meaningless when it comes to the NFC title game. stop being stupid and realize what we are trying to say.

i know this for sure. when Owens shows his true colors and Jerry Jones throws him out of Dallas, will you still "side" with Owens? nope. keep in mind that Jerry Jones himself said "this MAY work", he didnt say "this WILL work". i wonder why he used the term "may". there's a reason behind it. wake up and pay attention.

You can just read my previous post for my rebuttle against your T.O. argument. And I said the Eagles won two playoff games 30,00 times so I dont know what mistake you are talking about. I never said this WILL work. Jerry said it's a risk. I feel it will work. You KNOW it wont. If T.O. doesn't work out you guys will take credit saying I told you so. If it does work I will just be happy. I'm not worried about anything that happened in Philly. You can make all of the arguments you want but my position will not change. We have differing opinions. You could say whatever you feel but at this point I could care less.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

You know the skirt thing was a joke. I am not a Fag. You continue to resort to such measure Fiend. You did last year with me and you are doing it again. All I meant was be a cheerleader. You have failed to answer ANY of my questions. Point blank- once more, how many catches did T.O. have in the NFC Championship game for the Eagles??? So they played on the road against the Rams. You are absolutely right about that!!! Nice research on your part. Do you see where I give credit where credit is due??? You resort to all kinds of slander and calling names. I think I will act my age and not really get PISSED at you. But the bottomline here is they went to three NFC Championship games without T.O. Am I right, so far??? Did T.O. do anything in the PLAYOFFS Fiend prior to the Super Bowl??? Forget regular season because they PROVED in past years they were the SECOND BEST team in the NFC by virtue of losing the Conference Championship game. What did T.O. DO IN THE PLAYOFFS TO PUT THE EAGLES OVER THE TOP??? ANSWER THE QUESTION. If you can't answer the questions, then just drop the subject. And we will all move on.

Anything related to T.O. just read my previous post. I didn't need to research I just remembered. And I didn't know it was a joke. You to offense to a comment I made earlier when I was joking also. You come at me in the right way and it will be returned. You and your friend seemed like you were getting heated. It's just a disagreement about football. If you come at me in the wrong way, which was how I felt when I read your comment, then you will get it in return. You keep your mouth shut from any personal attacks and you won't have to worry about comments like that.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Anything related to T.O. just read my previous post. I didn't need to research I just remembered. And I didn't know it was a joke. You to offense to a comment I made earlier when I was joking also. You come at me in the right way and it will be returned. You and your friend seemed like you were getting heated. It's just a disagreement about football. If you come at me in the wrong way, which was how I felt when I read your comment, then you will get it in return. You keep your mouth shut from any personal attacks and you won't have to worry about comments like that.
How about answering the damn questions??? BTW, I don't know Primetime from a hole in the wall. Just like I don't know you. It just so happens that the three of us love football but only two of us are using our brains. That is not to say you are stupid. Because I truly don't think you are. I just want you to see that you are in err when it comes to saying that the only reason the Eagles went to the Super Bowl because of T.O. You make outlandish statements and then when it is called into question you resort to mudslinging. If you want to stand on the point of view that you don't want to answer the questions then say so. BTW, your earlier joke was also in poor taste. Then just get married then. You don't say that to two men. You want to be T.O. personal cheerleader then that is fine. When he acts like an asshole that he is I don't want to see you post shit about how he is acting. Because he is a credit to your organization according to you. Be consistant. I know I am. If he went to the Jets, I would root for the Arizona Cardinals before I root for the Jets with that CANCER on the team. He was born a jerk. He acts like a jerk and he will retire a jerk and he will die a jerk. That is truly the bottomline. So you root on this jerk. Watch him take your team down. And when he does DON'T tell us what a jerk he his. Because you have been nothing short of a cheerleader to him. :sowrong: And since you won't answer the questions I will make the guess that you have no clue what the answers are. So maybe I gave you to much credit earlier.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

How about answering the damn questions??? BTW, I don't know Primetime from a hole in the wall. Just like I don't know you. It just so happens that the three of us love football but only two of us are using our brains. That is not to say you are stupid. Because I truly don't think you are. I just want you to see that you are in err when it comes to saying that the only reason the Eagles went to the Super Bowl because of T.O. You make outlandish statements and then when it is called into question you resort to mudslinging. If you want to stand on the point of view that you don't want to answer the questions then say so. BTW, your earlier joke was also in poor taste. Then just get married then. You don't say that to two men. You want to be T.O. personal cheerleader then that is fine. When he acts like an asshole that he is I don't want to see you post shit about how he is acting. Because he is a credit to your organization according to you. Be consistant. I know I am. If he went to the Jets, I would root for the Arizona Cardinals before I root for the Jets with that CANCER on the team. He was born a jerk. He acts like a jerk and he will retire a jerk and he will die a jerk. That is truly the bottomline. So you root on this jerk. Watch him take your team down. And when he does DON'T tell us what a jerk he his. Because you have been nothing short of a cheerleader to him. :sowrong: And since you won't answer the questions I will make the guess that you have no clue what the answers are. So maybe I gave you to much credit earlier.

If you read the last post then you saw where I said read my previous post for my arguements. Everything is getting redundant. And I don't care who the 'Boys bring to the team , Im a true fan. I've heard a lot of Cowboys fans say they were finding a new team if T.O. came. Well best of luck to them. To any Cowboys fan who leaves I hope they never come back, whether this works out or not. You have players beating their wives, getting busted for drugs, hanging in all the wrong places and you want me to hate T.O.? Please.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

If you read the last post then you saw where I said read my previous post for my arguements. Everything is getting redundant. And I don't care who the 'Boys bring to the team , Im a true fan. I've heard a lot of Cowboys fans say they were finding a new team if T.O. came. Well best of luck to them. To any Cowboys fan who leaves I hope they never come back, whether this works out or not. You have players beating their wives, getting busted for drugs, hanging in all the wrong places and you want me to hate T.O.? Please.Yeah!!! I understand. Support the guy that will rip his teammates and accuse people of being gay. I guess I understand the way you are. You and T.O are the same kind of people. So enjoy your lovefest. Thank you for NOT answering simple questions and I will watch the Cowgirls very closely in 2007. He will behave this year. Enjoy your one year wonderboy. The Cowboys ballboy is probably a bigger winner than your Crybaby. :shock:

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Yeah!!! I understand. Support the guy that will rip his teammates and accuse people of being gay. I guess I understand the way you are. You and T.O are the same kind of people. So enjoy your lovefest. Thank you for NOT answering simple questions and I will watch the Cowgirls very closely in 2007. He will behave this year. Enjoy your one year wonderboy. The Cowboys ballboy is probably a bigger winner than your Crybaby. :shock:

I'll enjoy my love fest and you will enjoy yours i guess.

[primetime]

tickle fiend, we HAVE READ your arguments, which is why we are asking you questions. your posts make no sense whatsoever. now you say it's getting redundant. typical response to a guy who is realizing he cant prove his points. our questions directed to you are simple enough for a 4 year old to answer. i think you realize you made a mistake in your logic, which is why you wont answer the easy questions. oh well, typical...

enjoy this one year of T.O., but i will tell you this, if the Cowboys arent winning and Bledsoe isnt getting him the ball, watch what happens.

[falconfan]

I say that terrell owens isn't the best but you have to say that T.O is funny.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

tickle fiend, we HAVE READ your arguments, which is why we are asking you questions. your posts make no sense whatsoever. now you say it's getting redundant. typical response to a guy who is realizing he cant prove his points. our questions directed to you are simple enough for a 4 year old to answer. i think you realize you made a mistake in your logic, which is why you wont answer the easy questions. oh well, typical...

enjoy this one year of T.O., but i will tell you this, if the Cowboys arent winning and Bledsoe isnt getting him the ball, watch what happens.

If none of the bs you are "predicting" happens what will you say? What if T.O. does just fine in Dallas and is very successful? What then? It reall doesn't matter what you think. As long as T.O. goes out and does his thing, thats all that matters. Everyone can feel that T.O. will "ruin" Americas Team just as most of you feel he did to the Eagles, which he didn't. At the end of the day your thoughts don't matter because it doesn't dictate what the outcome will be. I'm gonna get my T.O. jersey and I can't wait until the season gets here.

[primetime]

go ahead, cheer for Terrell Owens. he'll score touchdowns for your team and you will pump your fist and cheer for Owens with all of your heart. but all we are saying is keep in mind, this is his THIRD team. his two former teams do not exactly have positive things to say about him. ever wonder why?

how did you feel about Owens when he ran to the middle of the field TWICE and posed on the Dallas star? were you cheering then? did you tell yourself that there is nothing wrong with what he did? did you agree with his reason as to why he did it, which was he was "praising God"? tell me, what was your reaction? honestly....

again, your failure to answer easy questions only prove to me where your mind is. just like your answer (hopefully you will give one) to my previous paragraph.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

go ahead, cheer for Terrell Owens. he'll score touchdowns for your team and you will pump your fist and cheer for Owens with all of your heart. but all we are saying is keep in mind, this is his THIRD team. his two former teams do not exactly have positive things to say about him. ever wonder why?

how did you feel about Owens when he ran to the middle of the field TWICE and posed on the Dallas star? were you cheering then? did you tell yourself that there is nothing wrong with what he did? did you agree with his reason as to why he did it, which was he was "praising God"? tell me, what was your reaction? honestly....

again, your failure to answer easy questions only prove to me where your mind is. just like your answer (hopefully you will give one) to my previous paragraph.

Nothing that you mention is news to me. I'm not naive about T.O. and things that could take place. My stance is I think he will be just fine all three years and any years beyond that. You say he WILL do this, that and anything else. And when you say his two former teams don't exactly have positive things to say about him what do you mean? Do you mean the organization itself or the players? If you mean the players you're wrong. People have said bad things about him but a lot of people have said good things about him. While he was still on the Eagles a lot of the locker room was in support of him. When Keyshawn came to Big D he was coming out of a similar situation in Tampa. He came and he was just fine. People were saying a lot of the same bs and it didn't come true. And I don't know if it was you but someone said they met Keyshawn and he was an asshole or whatever. I was listening to a Cowboys radio show earlier today and they talked about similarities between Keyshawns situation and T.O.'s. One of the guys expected Keyshawn to be an ass because of what he heard in the media. He came and surprised the guy. He liked him a lot and that's coming from someone who actually spent quality time with him. People said Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones wouldn't be able to coexist. Charles Haley had a falling out in San Fran before he came to Dallas. Just because people feel things will happen one way doesn't mean it'll happen somewhere else. About T.O. and the star, I'm over it. And no it's not because T.O. joined the team. I felt he got what he deserved the second time he went out there and I really don't feel it was disrespectful. I didn't like what he did but it was more because we were losing and lost. When he left the 49ers I wanted him to go to B'more and have success. When he went to Philly is when I wanted him not to do so well, only because it's Philly. I don't hold grudges against players. He didn't say anything about the team so why should I hate him? I can't think of one player in any sport who I hate. I wish you would just get over your hate of T.O. He is a part of the new era of football that will live forever. Players are young, flashy, and flambouyant and it will carry on. People can change, including T.O.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Here is a little tidbit for you. Bill Parcells as I said to you before ( note you DON'T pay attention ) coached Keyshawn Johnson for 3 years. He had a relationship with Bill. That is the reason why Keyshawn did nothing in Dallas. Bill established guidelines when he was the New York Jets head coach. If you think that didn't mean anything then you are wrong. How come you can ask questions of us that we answer but you never answer our questions? I mean, I still want to know how T.O. helped the Eagles win their two playoff games and still want to know how many catches he had in the NFC Championship game? But you won't answer that. Because if you do then you are admitting that you were WRONG and that T.O. didn't help the Eagles in the playoffs and that he didn't make them a better team during the playoff run. Because he was sitting on the sidelines.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Here is a little tidbit for you. Bill Parcells as I said to you before ( note you DON'T pay attention ) coached Keyshawn Johnson for 3 years. He had a relationship with Bill. That is the reason why Keyshawn did nothing in Dallas. Bill established guidelines when he was the New York Jets head coach. If you think that didn't mean anything then you are wrong. How come you can ask questions of us that we answer but you never answer our questions? I mean, I still want to know how T.O. helped the Eagles win their two playoff games and still want to know how many catches he had in the NFC Championship game? But you won't answer that. Because if you do then you are admitting that you were WRONG and that T.O. didn't help the Eagles in the playoffs and that he didn't make them a better team during the playoff run. Because he was sitting on the sidelines.

I guess you don't pay attention either. I've asked a bunch of questions, in my last post and previous ones. You answer mine and maybe I'll answer yours. I said T.O. got the Eagles to the Super Bowl and the season was more than two seasons. He helped them get their by playing in fourteen games. And if Keyshawn respected Bill why can't T.O.? Keyshawn had one year in Tampa that he messed up. He was just fine the other years. Why did Keyshawn do nothing those years? His relationship with Bill? Bill isn't Andy Reid or Steve Mariuci. He handles players in his own special way.

[Robace252]

I certainly hope TO can change. I hate to see talent like his wasted because of a poor attitude. Perhaps now in Dallas he can get a new start, forget the problems of his past and help the Cowboys get back to the playoffs and maybe to a Super Bowl. Im not making a prediction...or making a stand, its just possibilities that could happen. None of us truly knows what TO is going to do, only TO knows. If you listen to his rap he posted on his website (Aint that funny, now I got my money) and read his website he seems quite pleased at this situation. Will it change...who knows, I hope not. Id rather a season of talent than a season like last one.

Rob

[ticklingfeet4fu]

I guess you don't pay attention either. I've asked a bunch of questions, in my last post and previous ones. You answer mine and maybe I'll answer yours. I said T.O. got the Eagles to the Super Bowl and the season was more than two seasons. He helped them get their by playing in fourteen games. And if Keyshawn respected Bill why can't T.O.? Keyshawn had one year in Tampa that he messed up. He was just fine the other years. Why did Keyshawn do nothing those years? His relationship with Bill? Bill isn't Andy Reid or Steve Mariuci. He handles players in his own special way.I have answered your questions. You really don't get it do you? Keyshawn ( once again ) was coached ( this is only the fourth time I will answer this question ) by Bill Parcells when he was with the New York Jets. ( Are you following me so far? ) T.O is not Keyshawn. T.O. believes he is above the rules. That is the answer to that question. Question about T.O playing in 14 games ( this is the 8th time I am answering this question ) in the regular season. He did not improve the status of the team. The team was a number one seed for 2 straight years. Did he improve McNabbs stats? YES. But, stats may have improve but it did not change seeding. ( Are you still with me? ) They were number one seed two years without him. Am I correct, so far? So them being a number one seed the following year is not a shock to anyone. All I am saying is he did not put them over the top. If he did, explain how? We established that he played 14 regular season games. GOT IT!!!! Now for the 8th time, how many catches did T.O. have in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME? Prior to the Eagles going to the Super Bowl that season how many catches did T.O. have in the playoffs? What contributing factors by T.O put the Eagles over the top in the NFC Championship game??? I know you WON'T get this right either. But do your research. You might surprise me. :ermm:

[falconfan]

Guys the only reason Keyshawn was released by dallas just to get Terrell owens.That's what i think and i hope Owens gets a good start.

[Wrathchild]

Guys the only reason Keyshawn was released by dallas just to get Terrell owens.That's what i think and i hope Owens gets a good start.

Keyshawn and T.O. on the same team? Not even Hitler could control that!!! Still Owens is a great physical talent and plays when hurt (a rarity these days) so I say good move by the Cowgirls but who is gonna be the #2 reciever? Terry Glenn? I doubt that. Maybe draft a rookie? :scared:

[Tickle_Fiend05]

I have answered your questions. You really don't get it do you? Keyshawn ( once again ) was coached ( this is only the fourth time I will answer this question ) by Bill Parcells when he was with the New York Jets. ( Are you following me so far? ) T.O is not Keyshawn. T.O. believes he is above the rules. That is the answer to that question. Question about T.O playing in 14 games ( this is the 8th time I am answering this question ) in the regular season. He did not improve the status of the team. The team was a number one seed for 2 straight years. Did he improve McNabbs stats? YES. But, stats may have improve but it did not change seeding. ( Are you still with me? ) They were number one seed two years without him. Am I correct, so far? So them being a number one seed the following year is not a shock to anyone. All I am saying is he did not put them over the top. If he did, explain how? We established that he played 14 regular season games. GOT IT!!!! Now for the 8th time, how many catches did T.O. have in the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME? Prior to the Eagles going to the Super Bowl that season how many catches did T.O. have in the playoffs? What contributing factors by T.O put the Eagles over the top in the NFC Championship game??? I know you WON'T get this right either. But do your research. You might surprise me. :ermm:

Keyshawn didn't tear the Jets apart when he came and he and he had no previous relationship with BP before he came. And T.O. did put them over the top. He was brought there for that very reason. Three years with no T.O. on their team and three years they were home watching the super bowl. the year T.O. comes everything changes. You can try and make it seem like I don't understand all you wan't. You can't cut down a 16+ game season to two games to prove a point to me.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

Keyshawn and T.O. on the same team? Not even Hitler could control that!!! Still Owens is a great physical talent and plays when hurt (a rarity these days) so I say good move by the Cowgirls but who is gonna be the #2 reciever? Terry Glenn? I doubt that. Maybe draft a rookie? :scared:

Why wouldn't Terry Glenn be the number two, he was last year. He had one of the highest YPC average in the league. They were doubling Terry last year. When he was left one on one, cooked em.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

Keyshawn didn't tear the Jets apart when he came and he and he had no previous relationship with BP before he came. And T.O. did put them over the top. He was brought there for that very reason. Three years with no T.O. on their team and three years they were home watching the super bowl. the year T.O. comes everything changes. You can try and make it seem like I don't understand all you wan't. You can't cut down a 16+ game season to two games to prove a point to me.
So you refuse to answer the question of how he contribute in the playoffs. I never said Keyshawn tore the Jets apart. I said for now the 5th time, Bill Parcells coached the Jets for 3 years. Keyshawn had a GREAT working relationship with Bill Parcells. I have NEVER ripped Keyshawn. But since you won't give me any answers and I have proven still again that I will answer your questions and you won't answer mine there is no point in continuing this issue. When you want to sit down at your computer and answer my questions you let me know.

[Tickle_Fiend05]

So you refuse to answer the question of how he contribute in the playoffs. I never said Keyshawn tore the Jets apart. I said for now the 5th time, Bill Parcells coached the Jets for 3 years. Keyshawn had a GREAT working relationship with Bill Parcells. I have NEVER ripped Keyshawn. But since you won't give me any answers and I have proven still again that I will answer your questions and you won't answer mine there is no point in continuing this issue. When you want to sit down at your computer and answer my questions you let me know.


My point was that Keyshawn and T.O. are alike. They're not bad people, they just want to win. Keyshawn was flambouyant in NY and wasn't someone afraid to speak his mind. Bill handled him them. You act as if there is no hope for T.O. You speak of him as if he is a criminal. He will be fine in Dallas. It's a different situation, new contract, a lot of things have changed.

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This is so weird. I've been reading all the posts on this thread and I gotta tell you, fiend, everything you've been saying in support of TO pertaining to his attitude sounds so familiar. It's so disturbing. Where have I heard all this before??? hmmmm....
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[Tickle_Fiend05]

This is so weird. I've been reading all the posts on this thread and I gotta tell you, fiend, everything you've been saying in support of TO pertaining to his attitude sounds so familiar. It's so disturbing. Where have I heard all this before??? hmmmm....
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Is this Philly? Is this the year 2004? Does T.O. have the same agent he had when he signed with Philly? No. This is a new situation and his past behavior hasn't affected the Dallas Cowboys. The only way it has affected us is that he is now on our team because of it. T.O. has said he's a changed man, people on the Cowboys who have talked to him since he's joined are thrilled and can't wait for the season. This ain't Philly. They messed it up and now we have him. Everyone may not exactly want him on the team but oh well. When he went to Philly he wasn't coming out of a situation in SF to the level that it got to in Philly. They'll treat him fairly and I'm sure he'll be there all three years and maybe more years after.

[ticklingfeet4fu]

My point was that Keyshawn and T.O. are alike. They're not bad people, they just want to win. Keyshawn was flambouyant in NY and wasn't someone afraid to speak his mind. Bill handled him them. You act as if there is no hope for T.O. You speak of him as if he is a criminal. He will be fine in Dallas. It's a different situation, new contract, a lot of things have changed.So how come you can't tell me what he did in the playoffs for the Eagles to put them over the top and get them to the Super Bowl??? All I ask is what did he do in the NFC Championship game to help put the Eagles over the top??? Since we know they went to 3 NFC Championship games without him being on the team. What was his contribution to the team in the PLAYOFFS to get the Eagles to the Super Bowl? Simple questions. Do you have an answer??? I NEVER said he was a criminal. An ASSHOLE maybe ( actually probably ) but I never said he was a criminal. But what is going on here is your REFUSAL to answer the DAMN questions even though I have been nice and answered yours.

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tickle fiend, stop acting stupid and answer the simple questions. you KNOW your argument makes no sense. that is why you wont answer the questions. you KNOW if you did, your argument will make you look like a complete fool. why not just admit that you were wrong and then it's over?

it really isnt a hard question. you said Owens improved McNabb's stats. true. how did Owens do that? McNabb threw to him, Owens made plays, scored TDs and got a whole bunch of yards. we understand that. but, if Owens improved McNabb's stats, how on Earth did McNabb ever win a playoff game WITHOUT Owens. remember, McNabb's stats were based on Owens' performance, so, how did the Eagles win the NFC title game without McNabb throwing the football to Owens? HOW? this is where you fail miserably.

you KNOW you're wrong, which is why you continued to get badgered about answering questions. the ONLY reason why you are wishing Owens well is because he plays for the Cowboys. after all, you DID feel animosity towards T.O. when he celebrated on the Dallas Star. how do i know? because your response was "i'm over it". i highly doubt you would defend Owens if he went to another team. give me a freakin' break.

oh yeah, Drew Rosenhaus was Owens' new agent when he FIRST signed with Philly in 2004. he fired his previous agent after SF kept him from being a free agent because the former agent messed up some paperwork.

figure it out man, not one of us truly knows what Owens will do. however, based on a pattern, you can see why we think he is going to explode AGAIN. if the Cowboys start losing and Bledsoe is not giving him the ball, trust me, you will see another Terrell Owens. i cant believe you are fooled with his "sincereness". dammit, he was supposedly "sincere" when he apologized to the Eagles in the SUMMER. what happened? Terrell did this to himself. he did it with TWO teams, not just one. the man is in the game for HIMSELF. he dont give a damn about the team. the team only exists for him to shine.

as for Keyshawn. man, could you please open your eyes. the man wrote a freakin' book talking about "Give me the damn ball". if that isnt arrogance, i dont know what is. he ripped apart Wayne Chrebet. he then goes to Tampa, actually gets a Super Bowl ring and there is Chucky and management getting rid of him. if you remember "Cowboy fan", didnt Keyshawn get in trouble in 2005 for not being a team player? didnt he and Bledsoe get into a noticeable argument on the sideline? you're not blind. plus, why would Dallas get rid of Keyshawn, if everything is rosy? why not get rid of Terry Glenn? why not get rid of Patrick Clayton? why Keyshawn? think about it. like i said, i met the man and he was a complete asshole to me. i am waiting for the day he breaks his leg, ending his NFL career.

now, can you answer our question? i know you wont. how do i know? because you KNOW you are wrong. you're simply trying to save face. sad, so sad....

[Tickle_Fiend05]

So how come you can't tell me what he did in the playoffs for the Eagles to put them over the top and get them to the Super Bowl??? All I ask is what did he do in the NFC Championship game to help put the Eagles over the top??? Since we know they went to 3 NFC Championship games without him being on the team. What was his contribution to the team in the PLAYOFFS to get the Eagles to the Super Bowl? Simple questions. Do you have an answer??? I NEVER said he was a criminal. An ASSHOLE maybe ( actually probably ) but I never said he was a criminal. But what is going on here is your REFUSAL to answer the DAMN questions even though I have been nice and answered yours.

What's with the temper tough guy? From the way you and others talk about him one would assume he was a criminal. Again you don't know him so how could you judge. Did he take your wife? Did he spit on you? Beat your ass? What has this man done to you to make you think he's an asshole? And again, the NFC Championship is not the first. T.O. not playing the NFC Championship doesn't mean anything. He played all the other games but you want to penalize him because he missed two games. If he had missed the regular season and came back and played the playoff games would that have meant he was the reason they got to the Super Bowl?

[Tickle_Fiend05]

tickle fiend, stop acting stupid and answer the simple questions. you KNOW your argument makes no sense. that is why you wont answer the questions. you KNOW if you did, your argument will make you look like a complete fool. why not just admit that you were wrong and then it's over?

it really isnt a hard question. you said Owens improved McNabb's stats. true. how did Owens do that? McNabb threw to him, Owens made plays, scored TDs and got a whole bunch of yards. we understand that. but, if Owens improved McNabb's stats, how on Earth did McNabb ever win a playoff game WITHOUT Owens. remember, McNabb's stats were based on Owens' performance, so, how did the Eagles win the NFC title game without McNabb throwing the football to Owens? HOW? this is where you fail miserably.

you KNOW you're wrong, which is why you continued to get badgered about answering questions. the ONLY reason why you are wishing Owens well is because he plays for the Cowboys. after all, you DID feel animosity towards T.O. when he celebrated on the Dallas Star. how do i know? because your response was "i'm over it". i highly doubt you would defend Owens if he went to another team. give me a freakin' break.

oh yeah, Drew Rosenhaus was Owens' new agent when he FIRST signed with Philly in 2004. he fired his previous agent after SF kept him from being a free agent because the former agent messed up some paperwork.

figure it out man, not one of us truly knows what Owens will do. however, based on a pattern, you can see why we think he is going to explode AGAIN. if the Cowboys start losing and Bledsoe is not giving him the ball, trust me, you will see another Terrell Owens. i cant believe you are fooled with his "sincereness". dammit, he was supposedly "sincere" when he apologized to the Eagles in the SUMMER. what happened? Terrell did this to himself. he did it with TWO teams, not just one. the man is in the game for HIMSELF. he dont give a damn about the team. the team only exists for him to shine.

as for Keyshawn. man, could you please open your eyes. the man wrote a freakin' book talking about "Give me the damn ball". if that isnt arrogance, i dont know what is. he ripped apart Wayne Chrebet. he then goes to Tampa, actually gets a Super Bowl ring and there is Chucky and management getting rid of him. if you remember "Cowboy fan", didnt Keyshawn get in trouble in 2005 for not being a team player? didnt he and Bledsoe get into a noticeable argument on the sideline? you're not blind. plus, why would Dallas get rid of Keyshawn, if everything is rosy? why not get rid of Terry Glenn? why not get rid of Patrick Clayton? why Keyshawn? think about it. like i said, i met the man and he was a complete asshole to me. i am waiting for the day he breaks his leg, ending his NFL career.

now, can you answer our question? i know you wont. how do i know? because you KNOW you are wrong. you're simply trying to save face. sad, so sad....

First of all just let me say that you have no idea what I'm thinking. You don't speak for me so please stop telling me what I think or thought. I said a long time ago, I don't hate T.O. When he was on the star and got his ass busted I was happy as f*ck. After that I wanted him to do bad, mainly because he played for the 9ers who I don't like. When he was to be traded I wanted him to go to B'more and do the damn thing. When he went to Philly is when I didn't want him to do well. Why? Because they are a rival and I hate them. When he was released do you want to know what I was thinking? Or can you tell me since you already know every thought I have. Well let me tell you anyway. Initially, people didn't have T.O. coming to Dallas. At that point I had teams that I would have like to see him on and do well. I didn't wan't him on the Redskins who were looking for a receiver. I wanted him, from all the potential suiters, to go to K.C. And from the very beginning I didn't think he would be a problem no matter WHERE HE WENT. When Dallas was the obvios place I was f*ckin' happy. He's one of the top two receivers in the league nad will do a lot for our team. A lot of Cowboy fans were unhappy he came and have since said they are no longer Cowboys fans. F*ck those people. They want to leave please go. Even with the people who didn't want him here there were even more who did. How do I know this? I go to the Cowboys f*ckin' site every f*ckin' day. A poll asking if we wanted him showed 75% of people did while the others didn't. The total amount of voters was passed 155,000. T.O. jerseys are about to sell out on the site. I know this because I listen to a radio show hosted by someone who runs the site. More people have come to the site and more merchandise has been sold. As for Rosenhaus, he became T.O.'s agent in April of 2005. He was not T.O.'s agent when he first signed a deal with the Eagles. Drew was his agent when he signed with the Cowboys and T.O. got the deal he wanted and will make more than he would have in Philly. And again I could care less about what happened in Philly or San Fran. We don't know what will happen but I'm giving him a chance. But he probably will act out since you know what everyone is thinking.

Keyshawn wrote a book, so what! I don't know if he ripped Chrebet but even if he did what makes him wrong? Is it because he said something publicly ripping the guy or just the fact he would say anything about Chrebet? You don't know the situation, you don't know what happens in the locker room, therefore you don't know if Keyshawn was at fault. And no I'm not just trying to defend Keyshawn. We truly have no idea what happens when they aren't on camera. He had one bad year in Tampa because of one incident, big deal. He messed up and moved on. And yes I remember that game. It was the game we killed the Eagles. Keyshawn ran a route and Bledsoe didn't make a good decision and when Keyshawn turned around to run after catching the pass he was layed out. A fumble went the other way for a TD, their only one on the day. Drew made a bad choice and left Keyshawn defenseless. Drew went to Keyshawn on the sideline. Let me repeat myself. DREW WENT TO KEYSHAWN. He goes to Keyshawn and says something to him about the fumbler and Keyshawn took offense. Wouldn't you be mad if someone set you up like that and got made at you for making a mistake. Keyshawn got mad and they were seperated. The media tryed its best to blow it up. It was no big deal. Then people like you say he wasn't being a team player when you have no idea what happened. Clown. He didn't get in trouble. They squashed it in a few minutes. It's funny you mention this because I was reading something today where Bledsoe mentions this. He said that it was squashed really in only 30 seconds. And that he and Keyshawn have a great relationship but people see that and assume otherwise. An arguement that lasted less than twenty seconds and you say he's not being a team player, come on. And yes they released Keyshawn. Not because of behavior. Not because of attitude. Because of a little thing called the salary cap. Keyshawn had some money that was about to be due and he was going to ask for more money. No not because he's greedy silly boy. Because he admittedly was getting underpaid by the Cowboys. They released him because T.O. was going to be available. You did notice that Keyshawn and T.O. were released only hours apart dont you? Since you see everything now and I'm the blind one. T.O. is a better receiver than Keyshawn. Keyshawn's older and is a possession receiver. They wanted an upgrade and they got it. Why would they get rid of Patrick Crayton, makes no sense. Did well until the injury and is young. Makes no sense. And like I said, you don't know Keyshawn. You may think he is an as*hole but people who've actually spent quality time with the man think otherwise. I don't know if these men take you women or what. You need to get over whatever it is. Are you jealous because of the money, talent, or their female fans? I have no idea. Wish all you want. Keyshawn will be done within two years so time is running out. You wish such a thing on him and he's an as*hole, ok. And yes it is sad when people come to assumptions about others who they won't ever know in their life. It's also sad when people make arguements without having correct info. "Cowboys fan?" Yes I am. Didn't need to run and research this stuff while writing this, I already knew. And no I'm not gloating but when you make comments like "Cowboy fan," implying that I'm not, then I'll prove otherwise.

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do you have any real idea how silly you sound? you are only proving my point. did i or did i not say you are wishing Owens the best becau