New Trek film

[Goodieluver]

Seein a SW thread and me reminded how much better trek is(HA) thought id spead some new news on it

Theyre planning on a new trek film which will be a prequel in the sense that it will be the beginning of kirk\spock and how they met.. Its also bein directed by the director from MI:III

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/articles?id=20060421101809990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001

[venray]

LOL....I just posted this in that very star wars thread.......

(C) Paramount Home Entertainment Movie News: STAR TREK 11 IS GREENLIGHT WITH J.J. ABRAMS TAKING COMMAND
Hooray for Paramount for giving the reigns to their most precious franchise to someone who will actually bring it back to life

By: NUTS MCDOUGAL
News Editor
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Published: 4/21/2006
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LOCATION: The Final Frontier








THE SKINNY: In a scenario STAR TREK fans have been screaming for since the debacle of the VOYAGER TV show and the missed potential of STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE, the Paramount franchise has been reinvigorated with new blood ... and blood that does not include Rick Berman who sheparded the the franchise back to life with THE NEXT GENERATION.





Instead, the Next Generation is ALIAS/LOST creator J.J. Abrams. Hot off his duties helming MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III, Paramount has tapped him to direct an 11th STAR TREK film to be released in 2008.



Taking a cue from the STAR WARS films, this will be a prequel to the original TREK series (but taking place way after ENTERPRISE), focusing on the young adventures of Captain James T. Kirk at Starfleet Academy and his first mission with Mr. Spock.





The script will be penned by Abrams, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci.





This isn't the first time the Starfleet Academy idea has been floating around. Berman was developing a movie with that concept several years before, until it was abandoned for the abysmal STAR TREK: NEMESIS.



The difference -- with Abrams on board, the studio will likely give him carte blanche to eradicate all the technical babble and clinical emptiness of the later TREK series (and movies) and go back to what made the original STAR TREK series so great -- human stories about strong, relatable characters. And besides, we can't wait to see the dream cast of young-uns taking on the roles made famous by Wiliam Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, etc.





Thank you Paramount. You finally got one right when it came to the TREK franchise. May your opening weekend live long and prosper.





Source: www.variety.com

[leafstk]

I find your lack of faith distuuuuuurbing.... :shake: Star Wars rocks! :ranty: But I must say, I don't mind the original Star Trek cast/series... the Next Generation stuff did nothing for me.

[drew70]

I never saw any need for the Star Trek / Star Wars rivalry. I think they are both kick ass. I can't realistically compare them because of their stark (pun definitely intended :D ) differences. Star Wars is only six very carefully scripted movies that occured over a long period of time, basically telling one story. With Star Trek, you've got 5 long running television series, and 10 movies. While there are some great stories there, there are some really bad ones as well.

I'm curious as to what the variety.com article meant when it mentioned "The Voyager debacle." Are they saying the series was mishandled altogether? The term "debacle" seems to indicate something more specific, such as a breach of Trek protocol.

[fttickler]

Didnt Voyager run for 7 yrs like most of the others ( except TOC and Enterprise. ) as long as berman is gone... this could be good. Bring in Manny Coto for reference and consider doing a Enterprise movie.... Too many yrs have past for a Voyager or DS9 movie

[drew70]

I agree that Star Trek Nemesis was "abysmal." After I watched it, I thought to myself, "That's it. They've tapped out all potential. The Star Trek well of interesting and thought provoking plot scenarios has done dried up for good."

Personally I'd always hoped for a Next Generation movie based on a late first-season episode called "Conspiracy." That's the one where Admiral Quinn and other Star Fleet brass are taken over by these alien parasites. They really should have done a lot more with that concept.

The X-Files later used a variation of this theme in the last couple of seasons with alien "super soldiers" replacing humans.

[TklDuo-Drew]

must....find....out....if ....Shatner....is.....in....new....Star....Trek... ......................movie!!!!



Drew

[venray]

I believe Brent Spiner is in the movie, but have I doubt Shatner is if they are basing it on his first mission with Spock...

[Aragon]

I have never understood why it would be a rivalry either. I love both of them. I personally think that this would help the Star Trek fans get the old style stories back they love. I don't like how they went for so much action. I will say this, this movie will destry some of the books written.

[milagros317]

Very amusing that they get to use new young actors and don't have to pay a fortune to Shatner and Nimoy. :p

[TicklishLurker]

They tried this idea once before when a Trekkie Millionare was willing to fund a brand new Trek movie. It fell through then due to Trekkie pressure, it'll fall through now.

[Cokecan]

The first thing I thought of when I saw Nemesis was "Yeah, I remember this movie, and it was pretty damn good, WHEN THEY CALLED IT WRATH OF KAHN!"

As for the new movie, uh, I don't know the Trek canon that well, but I do remember, Spock served under Cpt. Pike, on the Enterprise, and hadn't met Kirk until Kirk became his new captain.

So, they're tossing aside all that continuity? Yet again?

[Goodieluver]

I agree that Star Trek Nemesis was "abysmal." After I watched it, I thought to myself, "That's it. They've tapped out all potential. The Star Trek well of interesting and thought provoking plot scenarios has done dried up for good."

Personally I'd always hoped for a Next Generation movie based on a late first-season episode called "Conspiracy." That's the one where Admiral Quinn and other Star Fleet brass are taken over by these alien parasites. They really should have done a lot more with that concept.

The X-Files later used a variation of this theme in the last couple of seasons with alien "super soldiers" replacing humans.

I actually didnt mind nemesis, it added a new enemy and new twists. Sadly though i think the trek genre has run its course.

[TicklishLurker]

The biggest problem with Nemesis is Brent Spiner is the one who wrote it and while the guy's a wonderful actor, he comes off as having a HUGE ego. Handled by someone else it probably would've come off a lot better. Plus be better balanced. The movie seemed to be just about Picard & Data.

What they need to do is go back to the notes Roddenberry left behind. (From the sound of it from this movie though, they're doing just that and simply removing DeForrest Kelly's parts because as I said before - they tried this idea once before, Roddenberry even had a script written - but it fell through then and probably will now.) What they need to do is get his notes for Assignment Earth, which was suppose to be the very first Trek spin-off. Using Greg Cox's Eugenics War books as the blue print and calling it Star Trek: Assignment Earth, they can justify having all sorts of guest stars. According to the books Gary Seven knew Guinan, so there's Whoopi. Anyone with a human ancestory can play their main character's ancestor on the show. Q and Sisko can both show up any time they please. And Seven has a time machine....

Oh - and the aliens have spoke -

http://ladyjami.250free.com/ziggy.jpg

Now we better get Paramount to give into their demands.

[chickles_:)]

I actually didnt mind nemesis, it added a new enemy and new twists. Sadly though i think the trek genre has run its course.

Hiya! :bunny:

Uhm,, i didn't hate Nemesis either :xpeepsofa - afterall you had sexy Picard's heart and mind with sexy younger Picard's clone body,,, :wub:
Every girl loves a 2-for-1 deal! :p

Seriously though i enjoyed it even if as some say, it was a rip off of "Space Seed" Part II. :jester: :jester:

Uhm, like many have said, I loved StarWars series: Han & Luke & young ObiWan & QuiGon... The Star Wars series was strong on hot guys and way-cute muppet creatures!! It could not go wrong!! :D
(Here's a question,, If three stories is a trilogy what's six? - a sex-tology? :wow::jester: )

But either way you look at it, we can look forward to revisiting the universe of the Federation again in a couple of years! woohoo!!:veryhappy

Many blessings,
Chickles:redheart:

[Jackpot$]

Now as you might have guessed, I'm obsessed with money. Imagine my horror when Captain Picard tells Ralph Offenhouse that there is no monetary wealth in the 24th century. :eek:

But then if that's true, why are the Ferengi so interested in gold pressed latinum?? :blaugh: :jester:

[TicklishLurker]

Now as you might have guessed, I'm obsessed with money. Imagine my horror when Captain Picard tells Ralph Offenhouse that there is no monetary wealth in the 24th century. :eek:

But then if that's true, why are the Ferengi so interested in gold pressed latinum?? :blaugh: :jester:

Cause the "no money" thing only applies to the Federation. And even then it's not entirely true. Everyone has Federation credits with which to buy stuff. (How many times did Quark say he wouldn't take Credits?) But non-Federation people still use physical money.

[Scarlett Moon]

I look at Star Trek is sort of the grandaddy of Sci Fi TV. My dad still has his collection of 3rd and 4th generation copies of the show in Beta format no less!

[Johnny Ticklish]

I think Star Trek is better for television and Star Wars is better for movies. George Lucas is the man!

[Mz Chaos]

Coming from a Trekkie... all I can say is... considering that the original series lasted only 3 seasons... it's still going strong in syndication 40 years later. Ya'll can scoff if ya want, but I don't see that kind of success with any other TV show.
Not only did it create 4 other spinoff series (The Next Generation, Deep Space 9, Voyager and Enterprise) but even after 10 movies, they are STILL making more.
I, for one, am looking forward to seeing this one just as much as I looked forward to seeing the others. I don't even care if it's a flop... it's a Trek movie... that's all I need to know.

[The Sean Man]

I, too, will still go see it, bomb or success.

But still....I really think they should put the toys back in the attic for a decade.

Remember the thrill when Star Trek: The Motion Picture was announced? Put the ST stuff in storage for awhile, and let the public get hungry again.

[venray]

I am one of the biggest Star Trek fans there is.........Having said that I know that we all owe Star Wars a debt of gratitude.....


Science fiction as a Genre was relatively dead until in 1977 the release of the first Star Wars movie showed the studios that the science fiction fan base was starved for new material.....2 years later The Motion Picture was released and the rest is second history for all Star Trek fans, so hats off to the original Star Wars and the 2 that followed. My problem was that Star Wars went on from there and to me was not interesting or well acted from that point.....

Lucas originally promissed 9 parts and we were all expecting them to be like the first with massive space battles and adventure all the way through....what realy happened with the last 3 pictures was a let down to me.....

Not that Trek didnt have it's share of let downs, but the original was not very well acted either nor did we come to expect them to be....

I have to go with the world of Trek over the world of the rebels any day I am afraid....

Havent even watched the last Star wars all the way through.....Kinda like Harry Potter in that respect.....


BUT...I am still greatful to Lucas as the interest generated by his vision has kept Sci fi alive since the late 70's.... :couch:

[LovesHeels]

I still enjoy the Trek universe, though I admit the last few movies haven't been all that great. Here’s how I rank things:

The series:

1) Next Generation - turned me on to the Star Trek universe. Patrick Stewart is the man.
2) DS9 - liked the characters a lot, though the whole Bajoran/Cardassian thing was dull.
3) Original Series - had some great writing in several episodes.
4) Voyager - Veered too much away from the established universe, for my taste. Got a little better towards the end when they used the Borg more often.
5) Enterprise - I've only seen about a season and half of this show so I can't really judge it, but it just never hooked me.

The films (Original Series):

1) ST 4: The Voyage Home – Great time travel story (with just a hint of an environmental message) and a good use of all the main Trek characters. Nimoy’s second outing as director was a grandslam.
2) ST 2: Wrath of Khan – One of the best villains ever, and a good subplot about the Genesis device. Bonus points for Spock’s (temporary) demise.
3) ST 6: Undiscovered Country – Political intrigue, some good action.
4) ST 3: Search for Spock – Christopher Lloyd as a baddass Klingon, gotta love it. Nimoy’s directorial debut was a solid triple.
5) ST 1: Motion Picture – Sometimes, I STILL have a hard time following this one.
6) ST 5: Final Frontier – Ugh, what a mess. Dumb premise, crappy villain. Shatner directed…need I say more?

The films (Next Generation):

1) ST: First Contact – One of the best Trek stories ever penned. Good use of the Borg as the baddies, and kudos for giving us the back story on warp flight.
2) ST: Generations – Not much for anyone to really do, except Picard and Data. Kirk’s death was anti-climactic.
3) ST: Nemesis – Mediocre story at best. The Romulans don’t make strong enough villains.
4) ST: Insurrection – Weak story. Came off as a rejected TV episode that they padded out into a feature film.

[Redmage]

I think most of the people on this thread will appreciate this link (http://unstable-geek.livejournal.com/87722.html). :)

[drew70]

That's a funny link but I think it's a little harsher on Rick Berman than he deserves. Yeah, the last two movies weren't very good, but there were at least 6 great seasons of Next Generation and two movies for which we can thank him.

[Mz Chaos]

What is gonna be real interesting about this up and coming movie is that Spock was already a member of Star Fleet and was under the command of Captain Pike before Kirk took over the Enterprise.
So... how are they gonna meet at the acadamy???

[The Sean Man]

New word is that:

1) JJ Abrams is PRODUCING, not directing.

2) It will NOT be a prequel featuring young Kirk and Spock.

JJ said that people took a few words he said, and really blew it out of proportion.

[drew70]

What is gonna be real interesting about this up and coming movie is that Spock was already a member of Star Fleet and was under the command of Captain Pike before Kirk took over the Enterprise.
So... how are they gonna meet at the acadamy???They could still have met and schooled at the academy together. Years later, while Spock was a Commander under Captain Pike, perhaps Kirk was a Commander under another Captain. Pike goes back to Thalos III. Kirk gets promoted as the new Captain of the Enterprise, reunited with his old pal Spock. I think it's doable.

[Cokecan]

They could still have met and schooled at the academy together. Years later, while Spock was a Commander under Captain Pike, perhaps Kirk was a Commander under another Captain. Pike goes back to Thalos III. Kirk gets promoted as the new Captain of the Enterprise, reunited with his old pal Spock. I think it's doable.

Problem is, as a Vulcan, Spock is significantly older than Kirk... unless he went to the Academy really, really late.

[batgirl]

Stupid Nemesis broke my heart. I'm still in denial about Data being dead. The way I see it, Nemesis was such a pile... how much worse can it get?

[drew70]

Problem is, as a Vulcan, Spock is significantly older than Kirk... unless he went to the Academy really, really late.That's a good point. Vulcans enjoy a considerably longer lifespan. But considering that Spock interacts with Picard some 75-80 years later, it stands to reason that his association with Kirk occured in his "youth," for lack of a better term. Also, the Vulcans' longer lifespan might equate to longer durations of childhood and adolescence. In other words, while humans are considered adults at age 21....Vulcans may not reach adulthood until age 30 or 40.

Stupid Nemesis broke my heart. I'm still in denial about Data being dead. The way I see it, Nemesis was such a pile... how much worse can it get?I agree, that's no way to leave the mythology hanging...with Data being dead. It kind of reminds me of when Spock dies in the Wrath of Khan. The next movie was devoted to his return. Mad Magazine lyricist Frank Jacobs put it this way:In Star Trek III the crew set out to bring Spock back alive.
They knew that if they failed there'd be no sequels IV and V.
Spock comes to life, but strange to say, his memory was shot,
Which probably was just as well, considering the plot.The thing that bothered me about Nemesis, and what I consider a major plot oversight was the utter shock exhibited by the Enterprise senior staff at discovering the android B4. "Oh my God! An android that looks just like Data!! How can this be?!!"

Uh...Hello? Anybody remember Lore? Data's evil twin brother, from the episodes "Datalore," "Brothers," and the two-part episode, "Descent"? Nobody even so much as airs this possibility. They just assemble away. If Wesley Crusher had been there, HE would have remembered Lore. :p

[Goodieluver]

Stupid Nemesis broke my heart. I'm still in denial about Data being dead. The way I see it, Nemesis was such a pile... how much worse can it get?


Tech they alluded to data not being dead since all his memories were downloaded into B4, yes he is not as advanced and doesnt aspire, it means tech he could be alive still in theory, similar to spock coming back but not being "fully" back cuz he had the memories but not the actual lived experiences

[TicklishLurker]

Tech they alluded to data not being dead since all his memories were downloaded into B4, yes he is not as advanced and doesnt aspire, it means tech he could be alive still in theory, similar to spock coming back but not being "fully" back cuz he had the memories but not the actual lived experiences

Well, some people see it as a cheat, but if I had my way about the Star Trek: Assignment Earth, we could bring Data (and Kirk) back easily.

See, with both Seven can come grab them in the nick of time. Data he can snatch in that second between firing the phaser and the ship blowing up. Then he can take Data back to the 20th century, use Ageis technology to make Data look completely human, and after he gets Data to help him save Earth, he can send Data off to live anonomously for awhile on Risa. Then a dying Gary Seven can disguise himself as Kirk and switch places with Kirk, also sent to Risa, when Picard isn't looking. So Seven, about to die anyway, is the one killed and buried while Kirk and Data are wacky roommates somewhere on Risa, the love planet. Then they can go rescue Spock from Romulous - cause with the Reman uprising, Spock's got to be in trouble!

[Mz Chaos]

They could still have met and schooled at the academy together. Years later, while Spock was a Commander under Captain Pike, perhaps Kirk was a Commander under another Captain. Pike goes back to Thalos III. Kirk gets promoted as the new Captain of the Enterprise, reunited with his old pal Spock. I think it's doable.
That's a good point. Vulcans enjoy a considerably longer lifespan. But considering that Spock interacts with Picard some 75-80 years later, it stands to reason that his association with Kirk occured in his "youth," for lack of a better term. Also, the Vulcans' longer lifespan might equate to longer durations of childhood and adolescence. In other words, while humans are considered adults at age 21....Vulcans may not reach adulthood until age 30 or 40.
Guess what! You got me curious enough to do some research... you are absolutely right about the ages... in fact... Kirk is/was younger than Spock by only three years! And... as I stand corrected... they WERE at the acadamy at the same time! As you said drew... it is very doable!

STARFLEET HISTORICAL DATABASE: Spock
Full Biography Mode
Rank: Captain, retired
Serial number: S179-276SP
Full Name: Spock (lineal Vulcan name unpronounceable)
Year of birth: 2230
Place of birth: Shi'Kahr, Vulcan
Parents: Ambassador Sarek and his wife Amanda Grayson
Education: Starfleet Academy, 2249-53
Marital status: Once married
Last whereabouts: Romulus

STARFLEET HISTORICAL FILE: Kirk, James T.
Mid-level Biography Brief Mode
Final Rank: Captain
Full Name: James Tiberius Kirk
Date of birth: March 22, 2233
Place of birth: Riverside, Iowa, Earth
Education: Starfleet Academy, 2250-2254
Marital status: Single
Children: One son, David Marcus (2261-2286)
Date of death: 2293/2371*
Place of death: Enterprise-B in Nexus/Veridian III*
Serial number: SC937-0176 CEC
Quarters: On original Enterprise, Deck 5; on refit/1701-A, Deck 5/Room 0195

For more info:
Spock - http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/character/1112508.html
Kirk - http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/character/1112496.html

[Cokecan]

Hmm.. I stand corrected then. That is doable and doesn't break ST canon like Berman & Braga enjoy doing.

I must have been thinking of Tuvok, he served on Captain Sulu's Excelsior. So he's the old Vulcan I was thinking of.

[Strider]

I'm hardly a Trek fan, but Abrams being involved interests me

[venray]

Posted on April 21'st.....

“Space the final frontier……” will once again be explored by the Star Ship Enterprise.


Yes, Star Trek fans. Variety is reporting that Paramount will resurrect its ‘Star Trek’ movie franchise.

And not only will we get to see the early days of James T. Kirk, Mr. Spock. Scotty and Dr. “Bones” Mcoy but we will see how (some of them) they first met at the Starfleet Academy. The plot also calls for fans to experience the crew’s first outer space mission.

This will be the 11th Trek feature. "Star Trek" has been Hollywood's most resilient performer other than James Bond, spawning 10 features that have grossed more than $1 billion and 726 TV episodes from six series.

Banking on the success of the upcoming ‘Mission: Impossible III’ (‘MI3’), Paramount has tapped J.J. Abrams to helm and produce the 11th installment. Assisting on the production side will be the extremely successful producing team from the ‘Lost’ TV series, Damon Lindel and Bryan Burk.

Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci co-writers from ‘MI3’ will work with Abrams on the screenplay.

The original TV series was created by Gene Roddenberry in 1966 and ended in 1969.

No start date for production was announced however Paramount said the movie will be in your local multiplex sometime in 2008.

[Goodieluver]

Posted on April 21'st.....

“Space the final frontier……” will once again be explored by the Star Ship Enterprise.


Yes, Star Trek fans. Variety is reporting that Paramount will resurrect its ‘Star Trek’ movie franchise.

And not only will we get to see the early days of James T. Kirk, Mr. Spock. Scotty and Dr. “Bones” Mcoy but we will see how (some of them) they first met at the Starfleet Academy. The plot also calls for fans to experience the crew’s first outer space mission.

This will be the 11th Trek feature. "Star Trek" has been Hollywood's most resilient performer other than James Bond, spawning 10 features that have grossed more than $1 billion and 726 TV episodes from six series.

Banking on the success of the upcoming ‘Mission: Impossible III’ (‘MI3’), Paramount has tapped J.J. Abrams to helm and produce the 11th installment. Assisting on the production side will be the extremely successful producing team from the ‘Lost’ TV series, Damon Lindel and Bryan Burk.

Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci co-writers from ‘MI3’ will work with Abrams on the screenplay.

The original TV series was created by Gene Roddenberry in 1966 and ended in 1969.

No start date for production was announced however Paramount said the movie will be in your local multiplex sometime in 2008.

Rick Berman is gonna piss off the old trekkies even more with this movie then he did when he killed of kirk

[chickles_:)]

Rick Berman is gonna piss off the old trekkies even more with this movie then he did when he killed of kirk


Hiya! :bunny:

Oh yeah! I remember that! I have to admit that movie did strike me as way over the top in terms of getting rid of everything and so many characters. Talk about long debates with friends about why they went and killed off such a main character unnecessarily... I thought anyways -still do too. :sowrong:

Still, more Trek can't be all bad! I'm anxiously awaiting the movie! :couch:

Many blessings,
Chickles:redheart:

[Cokecan]

Hiya! :bunny:

Oh yeah! I remember that! I have to admit that movie did strike me as way over the top in terms of getting rid of everything and so many characters. Talk about long debates with friends about why they went and killed off such a main character unnecessarily... I thought anyways -still do too. :sowrong:

Still, more Trek can't be all bad! I'm anxiously awaiting the movie! :couch:


I wouldn't worry too much - Shatner promptly wrote a Trek book in which Romulan agents clone him, bringing himself back to life. So Kirk is still alive, although I am not sure his book is considered "canon".

[BLUE_THUNDER]

I am glad they are bringing it back, im a huge trekkie (uh oh, now ive "outed" myself), i didnt mind nemesis, but the box office returns were dismal and they could have done so much more with the enterprise TV show that they chose not to. and im totally nitpicky about tech stuff, but wasnt the u.s.s. enterprise-E armed with quantum torpedoes (much more powerful than the standard photon torpedoes) in star trek: first contact, but in nemesis, which took place much after, it was firing photon torpedoes at the scimitar warbird. this always bugged me, guess i just take my weapon systems too seriously...lol. either way, ill be there on opening day to check out, and i hope they can finally revitalize the series. its still alive after 40 years, and that rocks! peace.........BLUE_THUNDER

[chickles_:)]

I wouldn't worry too much - Shatner promptly wrote a Trek book in which Romulan agents clone him, bringing himself back to life. So Kirk is still alive, although I am not sure his book is considered "canon".


Hiya cokecan,,!:bunny:
thanks so much for trying to mend my wounded heart. :p
No really,, Cool idea! :jester:

but i remember attending a convention once in which it was said that books are not considered canon.. So *sniff sniff* i can't even count on the Romulan clone!! :cry1:

Oh well. It is the thought that counts, right? ;) :sowrong:

Many blessings
Chickles:redheart:

[mtTicklemonster]

okay, well this is an olllllllldddd thread... but anyways, i loved nemesis and thought it rocked and Rick Berman and the other guy are awesom with producing Voyager and DS9...but anyways, i had other thoughts as I read some of the stuff but they left me, what I really came to say was that i read that they probably aren't going to do a prequal...i read in a newer article that the dirrector or someone said it probably wouldn't end up about kirk and spocks early life or whatever, it might be a prequal but it won't be about that...but i guess we're going to have to wait until 08 to truely find out what it's about. Personally I think they should call me up and have me write the next movie...i think I could write a good one, alot of mehem and distruction and totally end the star trek movie series and bring everything together and yeah...better than nemesis did because they tried to end it with nem but i think i could do a better job with a new movie.