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OBleedingMe
11-30-2006, 11:26 PM
How does everyone here feel about a Men's Only Forum as well? It could be hidden and password protected as well. Men have also right to bond and speak freely without having to worry about women.

I feel if the idea of a gender-restricted forum is on the table for discussion it would only be fair/prudent that men get one as well. :)

Myriads
12-01-2006, 01:05 AM
See my current replys to the womens forum thread for where things stand on this. All the same points hold.

Myriads

Dave2112
12-02-2006, 05:57 PM
This is exactly why I posted what I did in the Women's Only thread. There is a big difference between women needing a place to talk about thier unique issues, and us starting down the slippery slope of "If they get one, we need one" stuff. Then, every possible delineation of our community is going to branch off and everything we've worked so hard on will fall apart.

Besides, this is a male-dominated forum already. I don't see a single need for us to further separate ourselves from the minority of women who are starting to open up and join our fold. Especially not for the simple reason of "They got one, so we want one."

Just my honest feelings.

indivision
12-03-2006, 08:14 PM
Honestly, I thought about this as I read through the thread that suggests a women's only forum. It does seem fair that if women have their own little clique, then the guys should be able to do so to if they want.

But then again, the main reason the women wanted their own private forum was so they could discuss "women's issues" that men typically do not want to hear about, and women usually don't want to discuss in mixed company.

So, that brings me to this question: Are there any "men's issues" that we wouldn't care to talk about in the presence of women? Honestly, I can't think of any myself; though I am not a very conversational person, tending to be fairly independent and working most of my problems out on my own or with close friends/family.

Truthfully, I wouldn't want to see this place get any more divided than it already is. I mean, like others have pointed out, this place is quite the sausage fest as it is, and most of the great women that are here tend to be a little suspicious (though for some good reasons).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I, myself, don't feel a need to converse in an environment that is for men only. But if others see a reason for it, I might consider it.

Vae
12-03-2006, 09:14 PM
Let me put it this way. I figure I should as I was the one that suggested the woman-only forum in the first place. And, as this forum knows, I am going to be blunt.

Do you honestly want to hear about my awful period I had last month?

Do you honestly want to hear me bitch about my fiance and spew out a bunch of senseless, male-bashing phrases which will just send your guard up?

Do you really want to deal with my screaming fit on some guy who doesn't want to hear what I have to say?

Do you honestly want to hear about how fabulous my new dildo is?

Do you honestly think I feel like dealing with some lurker who is now spamming me with stalking messages because he has me apart of his sick fantasies now?

Do you honestly believe that women, even if this does seem to be unfair, don't need a safe haven sometimes, where they won't have to worry who's watching?

These are all questions that you should consider before bringing up the idea of making your own forum. As I said in my original post, it is NOT to single out men. But let's face it; some of our women, if not most, have fallen prey to stalkerish PMs, drama, gossip and who knows what else because of how we act or what we have said. Don't get me wrong -- it's rarely a member who posts regularly. In my experience, it's been someone with virtually no post count at all.

The Girls forum, which I know we are keeping very close eye on who is on, who is banned and who is posting, is just for safety and comfort. Honestly if this wasn't here, it's hard for women to stay on this forum if they are harassed or feel generally unsafe.

I don't think all of that applies to men, but I could certainly be wrong. We are not trying to form a clique. We are trying to keep things safe for girls without them watching their backs. I myself know I have been very secretive about my identity (notice I have never offered a picture of myself yet and I've been on this forum a year?). It's because there is an extreme privacy and safety issues on any forum or website that features sexual activity.

If you feel men are being victimized in some way, please, make the forum. But if it's just, as Dave said, just so you can have one too, I believe you may what to rethink what you want to create and perhaps consider why some women of the forum wanted to create their own space.

tickledorange
12-03-2006, 09:45 PM
I just thought it would be something fun to do.

OBleedingMe
12-03-2006, 09:51 PM
Well, Vae, since we're being honest...

Do you honestly want hear what men REALLY think of fat/ugly women?

Do you honestly want to hear what we think of this or that sports game?

Do you honestly want to hear me or other men spit out woman-bashing nastiness because we were slighted by some cheating female?

Do you honestly want to hear what most men think of divorce, abortion, a man's role in marriage/child-rearing, and other hot-button issues?

Do you honestly think women are the only ones entitled to a safe haven from the opposite gender?

Do you honestly think women are the only gender that would benefit from a gender-exclusionary forum used to discuss issues without the interference/influence of the opposite sex?

Do you honestly think men don't walk on eggshells around the females of this forum and keep most of their feelings to themselves?

I take serious issue with the "guilt-trip" portion of your post. I really don't care if you get a million PMs a day. I don't do that crap, and most of the men on this forum don't. If you think I'm going to submit to the logic that because you or other women feel "victimized", you deserve special treatment, you're sorely mistaken.

Many men will profess a disinterest in this thread and express disgust at my posts/ideas. That's mainly due to the fact that we as men have ignored our own needs/issues for so long we refuse acknowledge they even exist. We try to project such a strong and impenetrable image of ourselves in hopes of attracting females that we cut off our own heads. We deny ourselves the need to talk amongst ourselves, share ideas, common experiences, or just vent from one guy to another. As a result, we have almost ZERO self-esteem when it comes to standing up for our own rights/beliefs. We just nod our heads to whatever the pretty girl in the room says in hopes of getting into her pants. I've seen it time and time again.

I sincerely believe men would benefit greatly from their own little forum. A place to vent, to exchange ideas, to seek advice from those older and wiser, a place to be guys.

asutickler
12-03-2006, 09:54 PM
I don't think I would want to be part of a fetish forum that was just one big sausage party... Not really my type of scene.


Just my $0.02. ;)

OBleedingMe
12-03-2006, 09:58 PM
Not thinking of this forum in the sexual sense, that's what the TMF is for. More of a place for men to discuss and vent.

dajerx
12-03-2006, 10:30 PM
Do you honestly want to hear about how fabulous my new dildo is

Maybe....as a married man, me and the missus like to keep things fun. If you think its fabulous maybe she will too ;)

As to whether the men should have their own forum....if I am following this closely, the women have one that isnt connected to the TMF. They started their own board for this purpose. If you are really intent on starting one, no one can stop you. Go to a website and build your forum. I dont think the member count is going to be that high, Bleeding.....

brianspencer66
12-08-2006, 08:36 AM
I really think already its a male dominated forum as I think Jeff said earlier. hell its a male dominated world. I see no problem with woman having a forum on their own. I dont buy into the they got on we should have one too idea its not nessasary.

tickler_n_black
12-08-2006, 10:33 AM
Well, Vae, since we're being honest...

Do you honestly want hear what men REALLY think of fat/ugly women?

Do you honestly want to hear what we think of this or that sports game?

Do you honestly want to hear me or other men spit out woman-bashing nastiness because we were slighted by some cheating female?

Do you honestly want to hear what most men think of divorce, abortion, a man's role in marriage/child-rearing, and other hot-button issues?

Do you honestly think women are the only ones entitled to a safe haven from the opposite gender?

Do you honestly think women are the only gender that would benefit from a gender-exclusionary forum used to discuss issues without the interference/influence of the opposite sex?

Do you honestly think men don't walk on eggshells around the females of this forum and keep most of their feelings to themselves?

I take serious issue with the "guilt-trip" portion of your post. I really don't care if you get a million PMs a day. I don't do that crap, and most of the men on this forum don't. If you think I'm going to submit to the logic that because you or other women feel "victimized", you deserve special treatment, you're sorely mistaken.

Many men will profess a disinterest in this thread and express disgust at my posts/ideas. That's mainly due to the fact that we as men have ignored our own needs/issues for so long we refuse acknowledge they even exist. We try to project such a strong and impenetrable image of ourselves in hopes of attracting females that we cut off our own heads. We deny ourselves the need to talk amongst ourselves, share ideas, common experiences, or just vent from one guy to another. As a result, we have almost ZERO self-esteem when it comes to standing up for our own rights/beliefs. We just nod our heads to whatever the pretty girl in the room says in hopes of getting into her pants. I've seen it time and time again.

I sincerely believe men would benefit greatly from their own little forum. A place to vent, to exchange ideas, to seek advice from those older and wiser, a place to be guys.

Where as I couldn't care less that there's a secret TMF womens club somewhere on the internet, nor could I care any less about lifting even one finger to start a guys only forum ... I must say that OBleedingMe makes some VERY good points above. Take the time to read what he wrote and really think about it. It's quite true. :xpeepsofa

Dave2112
12-08-2006, 06:05 PM
With all due respect, TiB, I don't think it's true at all. Just my opinon, of course, and we're all entitled to our own.



Do you honestly want hear what men REALLY think of fat/ugly women?

It happens here all the time. And by "Men", do you really mean "you"? Because I'm sure there are a lot of men whom you most certainly do NOT speak for.


Do you honestly want to hear what we think of this or that sports game?

We have a Sports sub-forum in place. If people don't want to hear about it, they don't have to go in there. And there are a LOT of women who post in there.

Do you honestly want to hear me or other men spit out woman-bashing nastiness because we were slighted by some cheating female?

One, I don't see a reason an adult would have to bash an entire gender because he allowed himself to be "slighted". Two, again...it happens here all the time. The Deleted Posts section is full of them.

Do you honestly want to hear what most men think of divorce, abortion, a man's role in marriage/child-rearing, and other hot-button issues?

If it were part of an intelligent discussion, yes. There have been many threads over the years about gender differences regarding just such topics and both men and women have had plenty of helpful things to say.

Do you honestly think women are the only ones entitled to a safe haven from the opposite gender?

Entitled? No. Go ahead and create one like the ladies have. As was mentioned, however, I don't think you'll have a lot of members. I don't think there are too many men here who feel threatened enough to require a "haven".

Do you honestly think women are the only gender that would benefit from a gender-exclusionary forum used to discuss issues without the interference/influence of the opposite sex?

Honestly? Yeah. I think they stand to gain far more of a benefit than the men here who are already on a male-dominated Forum. But again, if you feel you need one, feel free.

Do you honestly think men don't walk on eggshells around the females of this forum and keep most of their feelings to themselves?

I can't speak for eveyone, but I don't. And nobody I know personally does, either. If you feel you have to, it may expalin why you feel so uncomfortable having women around your conversations. Walking on eggshells around people is the fastest way to ensure you'll never have them understand your point of view. Honesty usually works fairly well.

Many men will profess a disinterest in this thread and express disgust at my posts/ideas. That's mainly due to the fact that we as men have ignored our own needs/issues for so long we refuse acknowledge they even exist. We try to project such a strong and impenetrable image of ourselves in hopes of attracting females that we cut off our own heads. We deny ourselves the need to talk amongst ourselves, share ideas, common experiences, or just vent from one guy to another. As a result, we have almost ZERO self-esteem when it comes to standing up for our own rights/beliefs. We just nod our heads to whatever the pretty girl in the room says in hopes of getting into her pants. I've seen it time and time again.

Really? Well, I don't know what kind of people you've seen it from, but I can only say that I thank God you do not speak for this member of the male persuasion. I have never had one single problem speaking with any female on this Forum or in life, even when it may be about something controversial or gender-based. Honesty again works wonders. Perhaps if you gave women half a chance and the benefit of the doubt to have the capacity to understand you, you wouldn't feel so slighted by the opposite sex. I have a feeling there are far more men on this forum that understand this than don't.

qjakal
12-08-2006, 08:34 PM
I think we're getting too segregated as it is personally...more rather than less doesn't seem like a great way to promote a unified community in what is already a small group who share the same general "fascination".

Q

tickler_n_black
12-08-2006, 11:23 PM
With all due respect, TiB, I don't think it's true at all. Just my opinon, of course, and we're all entitled to our own.

Dave my friend you're right. We're all entitled to an opinion, and I'll stand by mine. :)
Been a long time since we talked. Hope all is well buddy.

Tamia78
12-08-2006, 11:58 PM
I take serious issue with the "guilt-trip" portion of your post. I really don't care if you get a million PMs a day. I don't do that crap, and most of the men on this forum don't.

I disagree. Out of 37,000 members, there is a very small percentage of people who actually post. It's not about alienation of the TMF, you guys that do post are awesome and always have something interesting to say, and those are the men we women love to talk to. I think the point of Vae's thread says it best: There's just some "woman stuff" that we would like to talk about with out getting dozens of PMs about our posts or thread chat room or whatever the hell these creepy guys are reading from the women on this forum.
--T

venray
12-09-2006, 07:42 AM
I think the point of Vae's thread says it best: There's just some "woman stuff" that we would like to talk about with out getting dozens of PMs about our posts or thread chat room or whatever the hell these creepy guys are reading from the women on this forum.
--T

And I agree with the premise, but announcing it publicly here and naming it the TMF for ladies is pretty much a slap in the face to the rest of us...

A private forum is fine....send out private invites to those you know instead of tossing it out to the general forum that is made up mostly of those you wish to keep out.....

tickler_n_black
12-09-2006, 12:32 PM
And I agree with the premise, but announcing it publicly here and naming it the TMF for ladies is pretty much a slap in the face to the rest of us...

A private forum is fine....send out private invites to those you know instead of tossing it out to the general forum that is made up mostly of those you wish to keep out.....

And coming back to this, the real TMF and to keep posting childish stuff like:

"We have a Women's ONLY forum, nanee-nanee-nannee. You MEN can't get in. We have a way of screening everyone. Keep trying if you want but you will be discovered and banned. We have a place without you in it. Ha! Thanks for playing."


...and then ask for that thread to be locked for no more posts because you couldn't handle the fire you created, is ... well ... really odd behavior for an adult.

:twohugs:

Dave2112
12-09-2006, 12:36 PM
Again, as with TiB, with all due respect to my bestest bud, Ray...

I don't think that's what they initially were trying to do. There was an idea floated around in the Suggestions Forum, the place for just such a thing, and the Staff were there to help out by answering the technical aspects of the questions. The conversations took off from there.

I also expressed concern intially about Forum segregation, but as with anyone, I can openly admit when I am wrong. And in this case I was. I really don't feel that the ladies having a place like this is going to segregate anything, and may in fact make them feel more comfortable in thier dealing with the rest of the Forum if they can get some of the "girl stuff" out of the way. Bottom line is, it's not hurting anyone, and if it helps one little thing, then it's been good.

I just don't get the feeling that thier intention was to throw anything into the faces of the male members here. (NO pun intended, seriously. :triangle: )

And BTW TiB, I am fine, thank you for asking. Yourself? See? People CAN actually disagree and still remain friends. Wonders. :D

Vae
12-09-2006, 03:00 PM
Again, as with TiB, with all due respect to my bestest bud, Ray...

I don't think that's what they initially were trying to do. There was an idea floated around in the Suggestions Forum, the place for just such a thing, and the Staff were there to help out by answering the technical aspects of the questions. The conversations took off from there.

I also expressed concern intially about Forum segregation, but as with anyone, I can openly admit when I am wrong. And in this case I was. I really don't feel that the ladies having a place like this is going to segregate anything, and may in fact make them feel more comfortable in thier dealing with the rest of the Forum if they can get some of the "girl stuff" out of the way. Bottom line is, it's not hurting anyone, and if it helps one little thing, then it's been good.

I just don't get the feeling that thier intention was to throw anything into the faces of the male members here. (NO pun intended, seriously. :triangle: )

And BTW TiB, I am fine, thank you for asking. Yourself? See? People CAN actually disagree and still remain friends. Wonders. :D

Thank you to Dave and all others who got the point. It seems those of whom are complaining never read my original post. The honest reason why I wanted to start a ladies' only private forum HERE was because I had gotten a new dildo (I am not bullshitting at all) and wanted to share my experiences. However, that is just asking for trouble. I realized I had no connection to the ladies here at all and girls like to be girls with... well... other girls.

There was never any intention to take the females AWAY from this forum. The intention was to give us a place to talk when and if we wanted to keep it amongst females. That's it. No secret society. No male-hater. No neener-neenering. Those of you have wasted your time with posts discussing that, discussing how we are rubbing it in your face, have clearly made that up all by yourselves because I know I have never said it. I have tried to explain it, but yet again, some people chose not to read or if they did, they decided to just argue anyway.

And finally, I really don't see how it's anyone's business. If this is what a handful of people want to do, how can anyone really argue? The only reason it has ever been made public here is so that any woman, who was feeling a bit insecure since getting a number of creepy PMs is very common, knows about it. Otherwise, no one would've made it public and I wouldn't be sitting here trying to explain it once again.

The ladies forum is just a place for girls to talk things that girls talk. It wasn't meant to take anyone away. In fact, it is there to keep girls HERE. I know I have almost asked to have my account deleted because I was tired of bullshit, drama and frightening PMs. If you'd rather lose your women because they can't tolerate the inevitable, lurker PMs, then please, keep arguing and please keep telling me how we're trying to have a war amongst the sexes.

tickler_n_black
12-09-2006, 03:32 PM
No secret society. No male-hater. No neener-neenering. Those of you have wasted your time with posts discussing that, discussing how we are rubbing it in your face, have clearly made that up all by yourselves.

Vae, you make nice points and I believe your intentions were good ones, but there actually has been "neener-neenering" about this as you will see in the quoted post below by one of your female only members. My advice is that if you don't want your club looked down upon by a lot of people then stop certain ones from saying such crazy things as is shown below, because these ARE comments that divide and antagonize. :) Just an observation I had.


"Aside from the fact that we have NO MEN on our site and that I can guarentee that, we also have the help of an Admin on here to make it even more difficult to get past. So go ahead, do what you will to get across our super elite no boys allowed radar if it's going to make you feel better. No big deal. If you can do it, I will give you a cookie.

For all I know, your name could mean "simulated man". Even if you are male, I think "simulated male" would be pretty accurate.

Back on the topic of the forum, I find it even more flattering than all the men who have tried and failed to get on our forum that you and many others seem to make it a huge spectacle. It's rather immature to say the least. Say what you will about a "girls only" forum being immature, but the only reason it would seem that way is because guys are just a little hurt in the ass that they can't be involved in something. Oh darn! So sad! The more you and everyone make a big deal of it, the more popular it gets and the more satisfied we are that we have a place without you on it. So please, further prove the motivation for our forum, because you are making it even more obvious as to WHY it exists!

Thanks for playing!"

OnnaOtaku
12-09-2006, 04:47 PM
I have yet to sift through this entire thread, but I will say, based on the title alone and the topic starter's first post, GOOD FOR YOU! I'm gad you're seeing it our way. I'm glad that you can understand the urge, need and/or want to have such a place. Thank you for finally opening up to our ideas. I encourage you to go ahead and do whatever you think will make you happy.

I also wondered who would be the one to post this inevitable thread, so I salute you OBleedingMe, for having the balls to step up to the plate to annouce the hypocracy and the want for a forum of your own. Here, Here!

venray
12-09-2006, 10:12 PM
Lest I too be misunderstood, let me clarify....

I admin and mod on other forums where there is a place set aside just for the ladies to discuss these things...

I am in full support of the idea of a private place in which to do just that...

However.....there are much better ways of assuring privacy than by posting the link freely here.....

I am sure that there is at least one male from here that has been to your new home and participated freely with no one being the wiser.... :smilelove

Vae
12-10-2006, 12:26 AM
Honestly, if someone REALLY wants to try that hard, I'm sure, yes, they could fool us. I'm sure they could make up some email, make up a myspace, hell even make up a picture and we could miss it and let them on in.

But shouldn't someone be wondering why on earth someone would wanna spend that kind of time, just a prove a point? I find it pathetic and disturbing that someone is that obsessed about getting into a place where I just want some peace and fucking quiet.

It also shows that that person truly doesn't give a damn about those involved and is proving to be miserably immature. "Haha! I trick the girls! I got in! Look how cool I am!" Get the fuck over it.

If someone really wants to try, go on ahead. Even if we don't notice it, thumbs up to the asshole. It just shows how people truly lack any respect or acknowledgment of privacy (and don't give me there's nothing private on the internet -- duh, I know that. I'm talking about a space that's a smidgen more secure).

venray
12-10-2006, 12:32 AM
My whole point here Vae was that posting this whole thing here where there are known trolls and the like is inviting them to do just that.....

There are unfortunately a handful who really do not respect the wishes of others, or have you not noticed that here and elsewhere on line....

That is all I have been saying all along....

OnnaOtaku
12-10-2006, 12:58 AM
My whole point here Vae was that posting this whole thing here where there are known trolls and the like is inviting them to do just that.....

There are unfortunately a handful who really do not respect the wishes of others, or have you not noticed that here and elsewhere on line....

That is all I have been saying all along....
I totally agree with you Ray. But, at the same time, we never thought it would become anything remotely and "controversial" as this. But like someone said in our thread, unless you post it for the women to use, you're only going to have a few members and that's no fun. Just inviting a handful isn't what we were going for. We wanted it to be open to all females, not to just pick a few and have a clique.

In retrospect, maybe we did go about mentioning it the wrong way, but with all due respect, why can't we annouce it to the women the way we did? People should respect it and ignore it as being something unrelated to them.

venray
12-10-2006, 01:05 AM
I totally agree with you that you should be able to post it freely here....heck, I think you should be able to talk about ANYTHING here that you want without being blasted publicly in threads or pm'ed to death......

These are things that many of us within the community have been working towards for years here and on other boards....and among friends at get togethers, gatherings and other social events....

Unfortunately there are a handful that would do anything to see that this does not happen.....


That being said, know that you have the support of far more of us than there are of those that do not......

And you know where to come if you need help in any way.....

:redheart:

OnnaOtaku
12-10-2006, 01:19 AM
I totally agree with you that you should be able to post it freely here....heck, I think you should be able to talk about ANYTHING here that you want without being blasted publicly in threads or pm'ed to death......

These are things that many of us within the community have been working towards for years here and on other boards....and among friends at get togethers, gatherings and other social events....

Unfortunately there are a handful that would do anything to see that this does not happen.....


That being said, know that you have the support of far more of us than there are of those that do not......

And you know where to come if you need help in any way.....

:redheart:


Thank you Ray! I'm sure I speak for everyone associated with our forum, we appreciate it. I'm glad you can understand and support us. I've gotten numerous PM's with support from both male and female members of the TMF. I am generally not worried about the small handful, but I am glad that you are one of the supporters. :Kiss2:

venray
12-10-2006, 01:22 AM
I TOLD you I couldnt resist a girl with a gun...... :angel:

All kidding aside...I have many female friends here and would do anything to insure they have a safe and comfortable environment to interact in....

OnnaOtaku
12-10-2006, 01:37 AM
I TOLD you I couldnt resist a girl with a gun...... :angel:

All kidding aside...I have many female friends here and would do anything to insure they have a safe and comfortable environment to interact in....
And I can't resist a Santa with a gun! You are good peoples! :bowing:

ChosenofMystra
12-10-2006, 01:47 AM
I won't give names, but I've seen my fair share of creepy scary people in the chat room from time to time. Upon checking out their profile, it is true they are the peeps that have either no posts or a very minute amount.

I do agree that maybe you girls should have PM'ed the link to each other and let it spread from there so the jerks that want to prove their point and infiltrate to be their creepy little selves are none the wiser, but I support your idea as much as I do a male only forum. I never saw it as a means of segregation; more power to everyone! Let's all get along, peace on earth and all that rot :)

OnnaOtaku
12-10-2006, 03:06 AM
I won't give names, but I've seen my fair share of creepy scary people in the chat room from time to time. Upon checking out their profile, it is true they are the peeps that have either no posts or a very minute amount.

I do agree that maybe you girls should have PM'ed the link to each other and let it spread from there so the jerks that want to prove their point and infiltrate to be their creepy little selves are none the wiser, but I support your idea as much as I do a male only forum. I never saw it as a means of segregation; more power to everyone! Let's all get along, peace on earth and all that rot :)
Thanks hun. You seem to be one of the few who gets the concept. :couch: I'll support any male forum as I do our female forum.

Iggy pop
12-10-2006, 04:18 PM
I can understand some of the resentment from the men about "the woman's forum". Nobody likes being told they are not allowed or they are "not welcomed." Nobody likes to be excluded.

On the otherhand, I can also understand the reason women want a women's forum. Women are constantly harrrassed and pmd here. No, I don't care about your period and what dildo you use( actually I am interested in the dildo thing, but that is because I am a pervert) If it was not the harrassers then I do not think women would need their own forum, and woman issues could be a sub forum on the general discussion board. Yes I know that the men that cause trouble are a minority, but they are a persistant minority.

As for and all men's forum, first, I think this forum is male dominated here anyhow. Second, I think it would only be a place of nastiness with the main topics being women we don't like, women that look nothing like their avatars, and women who we really think are men. Nothing really constructive.

Finally I do have to say I am jelous of the women's forum. Why? Maybe there the questions, "Ladies, what is more ticklish your right or left foot?" or "ladies, are you more ticklish in nylons or without?" will not be asked 1000 times per month.

Dave2112
12-10-2006, 07:48 PM
Last line had me in stitches!

You rock, Ig. :triangle:

Sunjob
12-10-2006, 09:37 PM
I like the idea of a man-place. A lot of times guys tend to hold back what they say in case a woman they like or are interested in reads it and thinks poorly of them, this could be a place to say what they like without that fear.

It might not work, due to the fact most guys keep quiet about "guy problems" (I doubt most guys would ask questions about their testicles, impotence or problems with erections where women can read) but it could be worth and shot. Heck, I just like the idea of half the most recent topics being about farting or beer!

Vae
12-11-2006, 04:54 PM
I can understand some of the resentment from the men about "the woman's forum". Nobody likes being told they are not allowed or they are "not welcomed." Nobody likes to be excluded.

On the otherhand, I can also understand the reason women want a women's forum. Women are constantly harrrassed and pmd here. No, I don't care about your period and what dildo you use( actually I am interested in the dildo thing, but that is because I am a pervert) If it was not the harrassers then I do not think women would need their own forum, and woman issues could be a sub forum on the general discussion board. Yes I know that the men that cause trouble are a minority, but they are a persistant minority.

As for and all men's forum, first, I think this forum is male dominated here anyhow. Second, I think it would only be a place of nastiness with the main topics being women we don't like, women that look nothing like their avatars, and women who we really think are men. Nothing really constructive.

Finally I do have to say I am jelous of the women's forum. Why? Maybe there the questions, "Ladies, what is more ticklish your right or left foot?" or "ladies, are you more ticklish in nylons or without?" will not be asked 1000 times per month.

First of all, almost your whole post is hilarious, especially the last line!

I agree about one thing, for sure. If women weren't harrassed by the pesky minority, I know I would have never brought up the idea of a Woman's Only forum. That was the main reason for its creation, in my book, anyway.

indivision
12-11-2006, 05:29 PM
As I said earlier, if a men's forum is made, I might consider joining. But I am not sure than many other guys would.

The reason you tend to see more women's groups in society (like in churches and other places) is because women, in general, tend to be more communal in nature. They have more of a tendency to want to get together and talk about things, while we guys tend to prefer to work out our issues on our own. This is not to say that either of these are better or worse than the other, nor is it to say that there aren't exceptions. But in general, that tends to be the way it is.

maniactickler
12-13-2006, 06:29 PM
How come theres women posting in a mens only forum? :idunno:

Tamia78
12-13-2006, 10:38 PM
How come theres women posting in a mens only forum? :idunno:


Hush Maniac. THIS isn't the Men's only forum....we're dicussing it, silly! :justlips:
That's what you get for coming in late! :twohugs:

SlaverTickler
12-15-2006, 07:06 PM
This is exactly why I posted what I did in the Women's Only thread. There is a big difference between women needing a place to talk about thier unique issues, and us starting down the slippery slope of "If they get one, we need one" stuff. Then, every possible delineation of our community is going to branch off and everything we've worked so hard on will fall apart.

Besides, this is a male-dominated forum already. I don't see a single need for us to further separate ourselves from the minority of women who are starting to open up and join our fold. Especially not for the simple reason of "They got one, so we want one."

Just my honest feelings.

Sorry Dave, by my grandpa didn't drive a tank so some people could have things while other can't. If the ladys get it, then the guys should to, other wise it's all just bull shit.

SlaverTickler
12-15-2006, 07:08 PM
Hush Maniac. THIS isn't the Men's only forum....we're dicussing it, silly! :justlips:
That's what you get for coming in late! :twohugs:

I'm confused, I thought cuming later was preffered... oh you said coming. :o

TMF Jeff
12-15-2006, 07:31 PM
For god's sake, start one or don't. Do we have to talk about it forever?

MrPartickler
12-18-2006, 07:52 PM
For god's sake, start one or don't. Do we have to talk about it forever?LOL.

That's just it. We don't really want one. The whole idea seems silly to me. If there's something we want to post, we post it here. If we're embarassed to say it, we don't. Either way, it's fine; we blame no one but ourselves.

No offense to anyone, but we (guys) generally don't grab each other's hands and escort each other to the restrooms. We also don't grab the kleenex and pop "Steel Magnolias" in the DVD player. And we certainly don't run & hide from women! That's really the only way I'd view a TMF men's only spin-off. (I mean, I personally come here for both perspectives--not the sausage-only viewpoint.)

In part, I understand the backlash (mostly because I think the whole idea was just approached in the wrong way), but women generally approach things differently than we do. And, though we joke about it plenty, we're fine with that, right? So if they want an exclusive forum to discuss shoe sales, tampons, and window treatments...well, whatever. lmao. Just as long as they leave the remote & the beer, I'm good. :jester:

drew70
01-05-2007, 11:27 AM
If there were a men's only forum, maybe some of these guys who only say what they think women want to hear will actually grow their own personality.

Vae, I love you to death, but it's really kind of silly to say that the point of the Women's Only Forum isn't to exclude the guys. Are we to believe that's just an unplanned side effect?

Vae
01-05-2007, 05:18 PM
If there were a men's only forum, maybe some of these guys who only say what they think women want to hear will actually grow their own personality.

Vae, I love you to death, but it's really kind of silly to say that the point of the Women's Only Forum isn't to exclude the guys. Are we to believe that's just an unplanned side effect?

Are you seriously trying to drag this old one up? It's long dead, dude.

And, for clarification and perhaps to save me later aggravation, I said the MAIN POINT of the forum wasn't to exclude the guys. I understood that it would; I thought that was pretty obvious. The main point, if you had read my original post, was to give the girls a place to talk. That's all.

It wasn't meant to say, "you guys suck. we're making our own place!" which is how several people took it. I trust you're smart enough, Drew, that you're not thinking that either.

And last but not least, if you don't agree with my logic over the whole thing, I hate to be rude... but I really don't care. If that's what a couple of girls wanted to do, that's what they're going to do. Perhaps we didn't go about it in the best way (this I can agree on), but it really doesn't matter if somebody doesn't like it. If they don't, don't try to join it. End of story.

There. That help?

huskys
01-05-2007, 09:35 PM
I personally don't have a problem with a 'Womens Only' forum, and am amazed that the debate still rages. I can fully understand the frustration of females with constant unwanted PM's and PC's in the chatroom.

I also don't recall anyone ever saying that that it was going to be a 'Male Bashing' thread or anything remotely like that. And from what I've seen, and who I've met, none of the wonderful ladies of the TMF would allow it to degenerate into that anyway.

And also, maybe it would help to discourage those persistant creeps, who are doing all the harassing, and trouble making in the first place. Especially if the ladies could get together and identify them.

Peace and love to all !!! :dog: :upsidedow

Vae
01-05-2007, 09:57 PM
I also don't recall anyone ever saying that that it was going to be a 'Male Bashing' thread or anything remotely like that. And from what I've seen, and who I've met, none of the wonderful ladies of the TMF would allow it to degenerate into that anyway.

THANK YOU! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!

I am vehemently against generalized male bashing. I'm just as much against it as I am female bashing. Why? Because the closest friends in my life are fucking guys. If I were to have it my way, I'd create a forum where the good guys could get in on the conversation, but really, let's look how bad of a fiasco that would cause if I even tried. Then I would be blamed for creating a clique and singling others out.

I think what has always bothered me the most about this entire, month long argument is that things were assumed of me, my behavior and my intentions. And on top of that, it wasn't just me. It was a handful of woman. No one EVER fucking asked what we were saying. Certain people just assumed. That kind of behavior disgusts me to the core and I hope that I have never treated someone else like that. If I ever have, here is your humble, dearest apology.

Thank you to all who understood it and did not take it as a personal affront. And hopefully this topic finally dies here. :)

ViperGTS
01-07-2007, 08:04 PM
"zomg i cant shove my dick into something? wtf! im gonnabitch and moan about it now!!!1!!1onezors!!"

Oh shut up already. It's very unprofessional for anyone, letalone a 'big-time' video producer to be flipping out about a Ladies Only forum.

You wanna know something? I think it's pretty hot. Granted, I don't know exactly what goes on in there except for the few things Irish tells me about, but for all I know, they might be cybertickling each other to orgasm after orgasm, making each other cry and scream and such, and maybe even organizing to meet up and get in on with each other. Or maybe not.

Either way, I'm not nosy, and now I have a boner.

OnnaOtaku
01-07-2007, 08:12 PM
"zomg i cant shove my dick into something? wtf! im gonnabitch and moan about it now!!!1!!1onezors!!"

Oh shut up already. It's very unprofessional for anyone, letalone a 'big-time' video producer to be flipping out about a Ladies Only forum.

You've said what I've been thinking. :bowing:

ViperGTS
01-07-2007, 08:34 PM
You've said what I've been thinking. :bowing:

Why don't you say it?

OnnaOtaku
01-07-2007, 08:43 PM
Why don't you say it?
You beat me to it and I didn't want to beat a dead horse.

tickler_n_black
01-07-2007, 11:19 PM
"zomg i cant shove my dick into something? wtf! im gonnabitch and moan about it now!!!1!!1onezors!!"

Oh shut up already. It's very unprofessional for anyone, letalone a 'big-time' video producer to be flipping out about a Ladies Only forum.

Who's the big time video producer you speak of?
And who did you see "flipping out?"
:zzzzz:

Speedbump
01-08-2007, 01:40 AM
It's funny how those that are flipping out over a women's only forum are getting the same treatment in return from those in favor of it. Listen up, you're all a bunch of hypocrites(I'm with you on this), and I'm sure there's not a single person on here that is saying everything they truly think about the situation.

Go make a crappy forum somewhere that's a "Women's Only Tickling Forum", and then someone can make a "Men's Only Tickling Forum", and then you can both fail at moderating them and give up after a couple days.

That being said, I don't really care. Girls gots the cooties anyway, and I don't need any crazy preludes to cancer at the moment.

I also wouldn't participate in the Men Only Forum.

Strider
01-08-2007, 02:58 AM
I honestly can't believe this argument is still going on, or that anyone cares to be rehashing it. There's a forum some of us can't get into. Big fucking whoop. Sixty years ago my family couldn't get into most country clubs because they were Jewish. Having a single internet forum off limits is an improvement in that regard. The fucking point here is that we're on the free market model, if the existence of a 'ladies only' forum bothers some individuals so much that they wish to start a new Cold War, then go right ahead. Or don't. Doesn't really matter to me. But for crying out loud, just shit or get off the damned pot already.

ticklingfeet4fu
01-08-2007, 03:08 PM
I can't believe that there are guys WHINING about the women having their own forum. I mean grow up. Maybe we should start up the Men's Only forum and call it the "Whiny Little Bitch Boys Forum." :yowzer: And whomever started this thread can be the President!!!

I am saddened that some of the guys would cry about this. :(

OnnaOtaku
01-08-2007, 03:15 PM
I can't believe that there are guys WHINING about the women having their own forum. I mean grow up. Maybe we should start up the Men's Only forum and call it the "Whiny Little Bitch Boys Forum." :yowzer: And whomever started this thread can be the President!!!

I am saddened that some of the guys would cry about this. :(
http://members.cox.net/pimpbot9000/lollerskates.gif

Speedbump
01-08-2007, 05:59 PM
Ah, I never even noticed that you had created a Women Only Forum, GDIT or Girls, or whatever you prefer to be called. Good stuff. How's it working out? I may have to retract something I said on my last message. =p

OnnaOtaku
01-08-2007, 07:47 PM
Ah, I never even noticed that you had created a Women Only Forum, GDIT or Girls, or whatever you prefer to be called. Good stuff. How's it working out? I may have to retract something I said on my last message. =p
Wait, wait, wait. You didn't know one had already been made?! It's been alive and active for about a month or more now. GDIT seems to be the easiest thing to refer to me as. Thanks for asking how it's working. It's going pretty well actually, no drama, great people, a little dead during the holiday, but now I think it's more active than ever! :wavingguy

Speedbump
01-08-2007, 07:56 PM
Wait, wait, wait. You didn't know one had already been made?! It's been alive and active for about a month or more now. GDIT seems to be the easiest thing to refer to me as. Thanks for asking how it's working. It's going pretty well actually, no drama, great people, a little dead during the holiday, but now I think it's more active than ever! :wavingguy

Awesome. No, I had no idea -- I assumed both the men/women only forums were just thoughts in the back of people's minds. In any case, you seemed to have proved many wrong, as even though you have the other forum, you're still hanging out around here, so it was never an attempt to completely push away the guys. ;)

Anyway, gg.

tickledorange
01-08-2007, 09:23 PM
Wait, wait, wait. You didn't know one had already been made?! It's been alive and active for about a month or more now. GDIT seems to be the easiest thing to refer to me as. Thanks for asking how it's working. It's going pretty well actually, no drama, great people, a little dead during the holiday, but now I think it's more active than ever!

Except when I drunk post, and make dirty references about penguins who love butter. Other than that...

Vae
01-15-2007, 12:14 PM
Yeah, but that's the same here, anyway. :D

indivision
01-15-2007, 10:23 PM
Okay...we've debated it for a while, and I think the cows have finally come home without us noticing it.

So, what do you all say we just create the Men's Forum, or not create it, and stop arguing over whether it's a good thing?

:D :cool:

OnnaOtaku
01-16-2007, 10:07 AM
Okay...we've debated it for a while, and I think the cows have finally come home without us noticing it.

So, what do you all say we just create the Men's Forum, or not create it, and stop arguing over whether it's a good thing?

:D :cool:
No one is arguing over it anymore.


I wish this thread would stop getting brought back. This is my last post in it.

tickler_n_black
01-16-2007, 02:33 PM
YAWN...

:yawnface: :zzzzz:

ViperGTS
01-16-2007, 03:14 PM
Who's the big time video producer you speak of?
And who did you see "flipping out?"
:zzzzz:

If you had to guess, who do you think?
:jester:

tickler_n_black
01-16-2007, 03:59 PM
If you had to guess, who do you think?
:jester:

Yaqi?




.

Stugots
01-17-2007, 05:30 PM
The TMF needs a men's movement! It's quite biased towards women. Women have too much power and control here. It's bad enough the men who made the rules gave the women their balls. But now their allowing the women to juggle their balls. And I'm bored of reading about creepy men creeping women out and women being creeped out by men. It's nonsense because for every creepy man, there is/was a creepy woman or women in his life. The women can have their own forum and do whatever they want, but woman is not complete without a man. A lot of what the women discuss in their forum has to do with men, so don't sweat it, men! However, I'm not against a men's forum. It would be a great place for men to talk about women without the involvement or interference of women, for men to learn how to feel good about themselves and not feel ashamed about their sexual appetites and wants, etc.

tickler_n_black
01-17-2007, 05:55 PM
If there were a men's only forum, maybe some of these guys who only say what they think women want to hear will actually grow their own personality.
...it's really kind of silly to say that the point of the Women's Only Forum isn't to exclude the guys. Are we to believe that's just an unplanned side effect?


You've said what I've been thinking. :bowing:

Iggy pop
01-20-2007, 03:47 AM
The TMF needs a men's movement! It's quite biased towards women. Women have too much power and control here. It's bad enough the men who made the rules gave the women their balls. But now their allowing the women to juggle their balls. And I'm bored of reading about creepy men creeping women out and women being creeped out by men. It's nonsense because for every creepy man, there is/was a creepy woman or women in his life. The women can have their own forum and do whatever they want, but woman is not complete without a man. A lot of what the women discuss in their forum has to do with men, so don't sweat it, men! However, I'm not against a men's forum. It would be a great place for men to talk about women without the involvement or interference of women, for men to learn how to feel good about themselves and not feel ashamed about their sexual appetites and wants, etc.

Huh? Do people really believe this? Do people believe that the majority of men are kow towing to the women on this forum, saying things only to impress women?

Look, is anybody even working on a men's forum? Some women wanted a forum and they created one. They actually went out and did it, they did not talk about it forever. Good for them. Maybe your right, maybe the woman do have more balls in this community.

Dave2112
01-21-2007, 01:22 AM
You got it, Iggy.

And let me add that I thank God Stugots does not speak for me or 99.5% of the rest of the men on this Forum. Maybe not having that kind of attitude is why I actually get women. Who knows?

And now, either go out and make a Forum of your own like the ladies have done or quit whining about it and constantly bringing this back up. I wasn't even going to post here in hopes of this thing finally dying, but I just couldn't let a comment like that stand. I don't know you and am not judging you personally, but that is just flat-out close minded and, frankly, sickening.

Stugots
01-21-2007, 06:23 AM
Ok, Dave2112, that was an unusual response.

Myriads
01-21-2007, 11:10 AM
Actually it wasn't that unusual.

This thread started as a reactionary one. I let it run in hopes that it might develop into something of merit. Some happened. In the form of me seeing some of the issues that effect the community and shape how parts of it interact. Always educational.

Americans have a built in sense of suspicion of things that limit or exclude. They tend to dislike things that say people are different, and not equal.

It's a fine attitude. And it serves us well most of the time. But on occasion it's flat out incorrect to try and fit to all situations.

The women of the forum felt that as women they had things that they wished to discuss with women in an atmosphere where they wouldn't need to stop and explain or defend themselves to males as they spoke.

A simple desire that required a place to do that. I elected to not build such a sub-forum for them here on the TMF. I saw value in it, but I also have always championed the community as a whole. Not as segments. And here I like to keep it together, talking and interacting. It was not a action that I felt that was in step with the idea and goals the TMF has worked for. That's not saying it's a bad idea, or a negative one. It just was one that did not fit with the way I saw the TMF working.

The women understood this. And built a place for themselves. And it's worked out ok. None of them left the TMF, they just chose to have some interaction outside of it. As a part of our community, they strengthened themselves, and bring that back here.

This thread is a backlash against that community. I feel that it arises out of equal parts of not understanding why the women built thier forum, and the basic feeling of 'wrong' that most in this nation feel when they see an exclusionary group.

Why has no 'mens forum' been founded? Because no one wants one. And I doubt any one will make one. It's neither desired, nor would it be used.

The thread started mostly an exercise to vent the feeling of 'wrong' and work through it. But as time passed it also moved into mysogony and gender conflict. That of course has led people to line up on both sides of those arguments at start to take pot shots at each other.

Folks. Time to drop it and move on. I'd rather not end up locking this. If you want to debate gender politics open up a thread in GenDis. This is not the place.

Myriads