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Gorgeous picture. Lucky13 - what a shitty thing to say to a Lady.

Lucky13 said:

Why is it that American women refuse to age gracefully?

That's a very cute outfit, for someone twenty years younger.

I wish you and your hubby every happiness in your fantasy world. Me, I've spent enough time on this thread already. I'm signing off. But feel free to respond for anyone else who might be reading it at this point.

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A cute outfit for someone twenty years younger? She's just turned 30, and enough people on this forum have met her IRL at NEST over the past several years to know it. If you think 10 year-olds look "cute" in that kind of thing, in addition to being a whoremongering hypocrite, you display an attitude both disturbing and disturbed where children are concerned.

No-one's ever seen you at any TMF events. Do you find it difficult to socialise? Are you so busy under your rock attempting to provoke your negligible member into a simulacrum of turgidity over the next Foot Party you're saving up to attend that you can't conceive of interacting with real live women who aren't merely pretending to share your interest and don't have to be paid to associate with you?

Undoubtedly this is why you have to post (and bump) your plaintive, fruitless requests for companionship.

Ladies, here he is! Want to date a true gentleman? http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?216612-42-m-NYC-Looking-for-long-term-relationship and responses from pros warmly solicited.

While I cannot speak for the mods I do hope we won't be troubled by your presence much longer.

Libertine, this fellow's clearly under the assumption that his borough excuses his behavior.

The sad truth is that, knowing folks from all five, the rest on this forum are of better behavior. He's unaware of how his behavior affects how he's perceived. Unaware that every woman in your wife's age range just read a judgement call against women who don't fit his ideal.

It's a sort of self-rewarding behavior. Any woman seeking him, now, deserves him.

Good luck, Lucky13, with whatever you seek, though, given that most of your posts are too old to delete yourself, and we have a policy against deleting such, it's questionable whether women in this forum, or men, for that matter, will find your behavior deserves company or attention positive. Disappointing.

I would caution you from hostile response, as I declare clearly that I'm a moderator here, and that such will get your account closed. You're dangerously close to such an early holiday present...

Lucky13 said:

Why is it that American women refuse to age gracefully?

That's a very cute outfit, for someone twenty years younger.

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There is no excuse for your rudeness. You are a thoroughly despicable troll.
For your information, KittenToes is about 29 or 30 years old. I have met her at NEST many times, most recently in May 2012. So if she were actually 20 years younger, she would be 9 or 10 years old (and certainly not a member of the TMF).

I wish you and your hubby every happiness in your fantasy world.

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KittenToes and her husband, Libertine, live very much in the real world. Both of them are very talented and accomplished human beings, and they are highly thought of by all of us who attend NEST.

Me, I've spent enough time on this thread already. I'm signing off. But feel free to respond for anyone else who might be reading it at this point.

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You've said more than enough in this thread to make me wish you would log off and never come back to the TMF. Do us all a favor and make it so.

wow this thread got intense.
@Libertine: to let you know love KittenToe's out fit and pose. you can tell she knows how to please foot fans and I can only imagine you are a very lucky man ^-^
hope you have great holidays

milagros317 said:

There is no excuse for your rudeness. You are a thoroughly despicable troll.
For your information, KittenToes is about 29 or 30 years old. I have met her at NEST many times, most recently in May 2012. So if she were actually 20 years younger, she would be 9 or 10 years old (and certainly not a member of the TMF).

KittenToes and her husband, Libertine, live very much in the real world. Both of them are very talented and accomplished human beings, and they are highly thought of by all of us who attend NEST.

You've said more than enough in this thread to make me wish you would log off and never come back to the TMF. Do us all a favor and make it so.

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Having known Libertine and his lovely bride for some time now, I'll just echo Mils comments and leave it at that.

Wow... insulting someone by commenting on a signature picture? You have no grace, no class, no brains. Both Libertine and Kittentoes are well respected members of the community. Your tawdry attempt at dragging both down to your level is beyond contempt. I hope the mods will lock this thread (sorry for the OP) and consider banning you for your clear GR violation.

Lucky13 said:

Why is it that American women refuse to age gracefully?

That's a very cute outfit, for someone twenty years younger.

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Okay firstly Kittentoes is an awesome beautiful young woman. I am confused because I see absolutely nothing wrong with her outfit. I think her top is cute and I would wear it myself(I am 24 and everyone thinks I am 19). Even if I saw a mature woman wear the same top like the one in kittentoes sig my mind wouldn't be thinking she is trying to look young. A V-neck sweater is a very classic timeless style.

milagros317 said:

There is no excuse for your rudeness. You are a thoroughly despicable troll.
For your information, KittenToes is about 29 or 30 years old. I have met her at NEST many times, most recently in May 2012. So if she were actually 20 years younger, she would be 9 or 10 years old (and certainly not a member of the TMF).

KittenToes and her husband, Libertine, live very much in the real world. Both of them are very talented and accomplished human beings, and they are highly thought of by all of us who attend NEST.

You've said more than enough in this thread to make me wish you would log off and never come back to the TMF. Do us all a favor and make it so.

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I agree 100% with everything Mils said.

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Lucky13.....If you want to engage Libertine in a lively little battle of words I am more than sure he would gladly oblige you and even enjoy the experience. But you step over the line when you attack Kitten, who has no stake in yours and her husband's debate. Your crass side-swipe comment about this remarkable woman was uncalled for and show all just what type of person you may be........and completely opposite of the picture you painted of yourself in the post concerning you looking for a partner. Women are pretty smart and will know this for a lie. She and her husband are loyal and fiercely supportive of each other. Something I wish I had in my life and appearently you want also since you advertise for and are willing to pay for the illusion of compatibility....by the hour. An apology to her would be in order though I doubt she would accept, even with her kind heart. And in your attempt to slap Kitten to distract Libertine it would seem he would win the verbal argument. Since you decided to try and turn it into back-alley brawl and my having met Libertine on several occasions I would strongly advise you not to invite him into the alley for a physical confrontation. You might get fooled by the outcome.

BrandiElizabeth said:

I don't think you really know what you're talking about. There are many benefits to legalizing prostitution - the prostitutes being all accounted for, which would make them safer - no STDs, etc.

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This is sick!!! The policy here is for instance that nothing that has (even remotedly) to do with children (like children tickling aldults!!!) is forbidden but "torturing" third world prostitutes by tying them up and tickling them against their will (even if they get payed for it) is ok?!? I'm a Long time tickler as well but I do it with my partner and never against her will! everything else is unacceptable!
It 's not about prostitution, it's about the fact that you guys think nothing of it paying someone to endure "torture" against their will! What the fuck do you think prostitution thrives on???

*sigh*

Behemoth, you're introducing sentiments and perspectives of your own and applying them to the statements of others inaccurately.

If you EVER find someone proposing torturing a person IRL on this forum, it's your responsibility is to report it to the staff here. We yank it and warn the user once. Second time we no longer have that user present. It's really simple.

However, there are MANY, MANY services who VOLUNTARILY accept cash or credit card to tickle or be tickled. Not just in the US, but overseas. Too, many of the oldest profession will do tickling play as it's far less uncomfortable than, say, taking someone's member orally or anally.

It's also not just guys who will pay to play. You've just judged more than a few women, some of them quite young, on this forum. Congrats on that social misfire. It's my hope you delete your poorly-conceived post and only this response will remain. If not, well, you get to find the segment of this forum that seeks people errantly putting words in others' mouths and then derogating them for the misapplied perspectives.

"Three pages of comments" I thought. "This story must be brilliant".

Dvnc summed it all up but since you personally quoted and mistook my words, behemoth...

behemoth! said:

This is sick!!! The policy here is for instance that nothing that has (even remotedly) to do with children (like children tickling aldults!!!) is forbidden but "torturing" third world prostitutes by tying them up and tickling them against their will (even if they get payed for it) is ok?!? I'm a Long time tickler as well but I do it with my partner and never against her will! everything else is unacceptable!
It 's not about prostitution, it's about the fact that you guys think nothing of it paying someone to endure "torture" against their will! What the fuck do you think prostitution thrives on???

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Okay this topic has been dragged out WAY too long but I just have to ask, what is your problem? You totally missed EVERYTHING my post said and made up some random bullshit, you don't even deserve a response but what you said was so goddamn stupid I can't even help it. I NEVER said anything about torturing anyone against their will.
We're really not accomplishing anything by continuing to post in this thread,

**Golden Rule Violation**

That'll work. Apparently better than my "golden rule" violation.

Biscuit said:

As the resident Divine Being of the forum, I'm inclined to come out of retirement long enough to comment here:

The original post was mildly interesting (no offense intended) enough that I gave it a quick read a while ago. I reread it as I noticed it was failing to fall off the main page and saw that two of my favorite people, Jon (Libertine) and Kittentoes had replied.

I'm going to decline to comment on legalizing prostitution as I don't really think my opinion is either necessary or relevant to the comments I'd like to make.

I'll start by stating that Jon and Kitten are personal friends with whom I've had many long conversations, and I consider them both to be both very bright and truly interesting people. I don't know the primary antagonist of the discussion nor the later commentor at all.

I do take note of the fact that Jon, as per usual, has offered reasons and logical support for his opinions. Kitten, much to her credit, has failed to reply in kind to the in my opinion unwarranted attack upon her appearance offered as an obvious plebian barb at her husband. She has thus shown both character and class in my opinion.

I recall a personal proverb I've always tried to live by myself: you can only be insulted by those you respect. Never give unasked-for opinions unwarranted weight. Rather than reply in kind, she has taken the high road, thus deepening my appreciation of her wisdom.

I have my own opinions, as do others, and it's never been that important to me to be agreed with by people I don't know. So, rather than offering my own on the subject matter (which I don't really find all that interesting personally), I'll simply say this:

I personally applaud Jon's attempts to speak cogently in the face of great provocation, and Kitten's intelligence AND restraint. I find them some of the very best people I know.

Jason

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Libertine said:

America is the only English speaking country where consensual prostitution is illegal, unlike Britain, Canada, New Zealand and Australia. As long as the girl in question is sane, drug free, provides her services in safe surroundings and is not controlled by a pimp so keeps all her money there's no problem. Both Kittentoes and I know (on a social rather than a professional basis) several very beautiful middle-class women who work as prostitutes or prodommes; they're all content at present and make a lot of money at it. One quit in her early 30s, citing that she was getting a bit old for it, returned to university (keeping her job part-time instead of waitressing or similar) and is now a medical doctor. There is a big sociological difference between some poor drug-addled creature selling herself on the street to all and sundry, and an educated woman who's chosen to be an escort.

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I think you have some false information there, first of all ESCORTS and PROSTITUTES are different. Secondly I live in Canada and no prostitution is not legal here thank god, as far as im concerned as soon as money changes hands consent goes right out the window. In places with legalized prostitution they have huge amounts of trafficking problems not to mention it lets people think they can just go purchase a person. You dont find that a little sick and dehumanizing? Amsterdam etc are thinking of reversing the legality because of all the problems its causing. How are you going to keep someone tested all the time? It takes weeks for test results to come back so what are you going to do have one customer every 2 weeks? You do know that Thailand has a huge epidemic of abuse and 99.99999% of those girls would not be out there unless forced, whether by people or by economic circumstance its still forced, the ones that are on drugs are lucky (not really but you know what im saying they can numb the pain). You think making it legal is going to stop people from doing it on the streets? LOL! Get real buddy, the same crackheads will be doing the same thing you dont think they can get a job at a brothel do you? The only thing that will do is make it easier for traffickers to get away with slavery, it will just now be legal for them. This is a HUGE problem in the countries where it is legalized, guess what there arent a ton of women who arent on drugs that want to sleep with 10+ men every day, especially when they dont have a say in who they are. Dont think for a second that a brothel and a woman being a dom are AT ALL SIMILAR, let alone a thailand "whorehouse", you can tell by the whole post of how he thinks of these girls, "whorehouse", "ill take 3", not cool at all. If it was about how he met 3 girls and this happened consensually then ya totally cool. If anything those girls were just happy they were getting a break from basically being raped multiple times daily. Paying to rape someone is still rape, they dont want to be there, theyre disgusted by their customers and most of them hate men because of it. You do know why men frequently going to thailand are under scrutiny by the government dont you? Theyre taking advantage of the women who are exploitated in there, sometimes men are exploitated as well but they are much less in demand. I wouldnt be surprised if the OPs place had underage girls as well, most of them start out very very young. Ive worked with dozens of women who got out of it and its very hard to overcome, ive met men as well who have gotten out of prostitution and/or gay for pay they werent trafficked though just victims of poverty and people willing to exploit them. Ive also met more than a few scumbags who went and probably still go to thailand for those reasons, and trust me they are complete scumbags. If you want to play around with people or multiples just ask! go to a fetish party! Please know your facts before you start talking about something like this, i worked with addicts, prostitutes, abuse victims for years (most prostitutes were sexually abused at some point in their life making it a bit easier for them to go down the road in the first place), before having as much experience as i do i also believed legalizing was the way to go, then i saw the reprocussions and changed my thoughts immediately. And the fact that you are comparing high class escorts (or so they like to call themselves high class) to prostitutes in Thailand shows that you are very ignorant on the differences and lifestyles. Please note that a brothel is just another form of a pimp, no brothel ive ever heard of lets the women keep most of their money. And one last thing I believe its legal in Nevada, so if anything the states would be more legal than canada, so not sure where youre getting your info from

dvnc said:

*sigh*

Behemoth, you're introducing sentiments and perspectives of your own and applying them to the statements of others inaccurately.

If you EVER find someone proposing torturing a person IRL on this forum, it's your responsibility is to report it to the staff here. We yank it and warn the user once. Second time we no longer have that user present. It's really simple.

However, there are MANY, MANY services who VOLUNTARILY accept cash or credit card to tickle or be tickled. Not just in the US, but overseas. Too, many of the oldest profession will do tickling play as it's far less uncomfortable than, say, taking someone's member orally or anally.

It's also not just guys who will pay to play. You've just judged more than a few women, some of them quite young, on this forum. Congrats on that social misfire. It's my hope you delete your poorly-conceived post and only this response will remain. If not, well, you get to find the segment of this forum that seeks people errantly putting words in others' mouths and then derogating them for the misapplied perspectives.

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Except the original post is literally about third world prostitutes, tying them up and "torturing" them. The person you're replying to used the word "Torture" in quotes because thats what it literally says in the guys post, did you even read it? The post also describes how she didnt like it (in fact "hated" it) and that he could only do it for a few minutes, also how the girls friends were pretending to smile along (pretty much anything to make him finish and leave them alone is my guess). But apparently they were so uncomfortable they couldnt even act like it was ok, enough so that he could see this.
Its creepy, its about as "consensual" as me going up to a homeless man and offering him $500 to suck a dick for my creepy amusement, or whatever the reason, hes only doing it to get a meal so he can continue to exist, for him its still an unwanted sexual act and basically rape, but rape is better than starving to death for most. Stories like this i find a little out of place on this site and im surprised no one spoke up sooner. Paying to exploit people living in poverty is wrong, and so is recommending sex tourism to other men to a country who the majority of prostitutes are underage, and start at the average age of 12-14. Maybe people are just ignorant of what actually goes on over there? Its such a problem theres investigations on men who go to Thailand multiple times per year because a ton of pedophiles do it to avoid the laws in their home countries.

BrandiElizabeth said:

Dvnc summed it all up but since you personally quoted and mistook my words, behemoth...


Okay this topic has been dragged out WAY too long but I just have to ask, what is your problem? You totally missed EVERYTHING my post said and made up some random bullshit, you don't even deserve a response but what you said was so goddamn stupid I can't even help it. I NEVER said anything about torturing anyone against their will.
We're really not accomplishing anything by continuing to post in this thread,

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The original poster was the one who used the word "torture" in the first place, thats why the person you responded to used quotations around the word because its a direct quote from the OP and not his words, it is you who missed something here not him. Also please look at the stats of places who have legalized prostitution. 70%+ of the women who work in Amsterdam are trafficked in from Asia, another percentage trafficked from Russia etc. Why? Because women from Amsterdam never have and never will want to work there. The problems caused by this law have gotten bad enough that Amsterdam is thinking of reversing it. Problems being stds still exist, trafficked women still exist, children are still being exploited and even worse its created a market that otherwise wouldnt have existed if it was still illegal. The only thing it does now is let off pimps and traffickers who abuse these laws with slaps on the wrist. Like it or not the amount of women who would actually enjoy their jobs as prostitutes pales in comparison to the amount of men who want to use them. Last time i checked someone f*cking you who you do not want to be f*cked by is called rape, just because someone people choose rape over starving to death doesnt make it consensual sex or ok in the least. The argument of "two consenting adults can do whatever they like" can apply to the gay marriage debate, this is a circumstance of "one is consenting and one is reluctantly consenting due to having no other choice", so its not the same thing at all. Most of the original post is about how the girl didnt like it, or how the friends were uncomfortable etc, that doesnt raise a red flag for you?

I'm heading back to Thailand to teach English soon. But I'll be too busy to waste money on rentals. ...maybe just once when I first arrive.

My post here is years overdue and out of context.

I don't frequent the TMF as I used to, but this evening I went clicking through some threads and stumbled upon this one. I didn't realize until I began reading it that it was a thread I'd previously posted to.

Libertine and KittenToes, should you chance to read this, I wish to offer you a humble and sincere apology. In rereading this thread, I am reminded of that time I was small and mean to both of you.

To the rest of the TMF community, I am sorry for having brought some ugliness to a place that is good-natured and filled with people coming together in a spirit of collegial celebration. My words and actions detracted from that. I can say nothing other than that I was wrong, and apologize from the heart.

-Lucky13

Lucky - there are plenty of documented examples of people in professions such as law and accountancy who have killed thereself as a direct result of the conditions of their job (stress, evil boss, feeling like what they do doesn't fit with their moral views).

Does this mean that we should ban accountants because some people who have chosen it or, in some cases, been forced into it (pushy parents) have had terribly bad experiences as a result?

I think both of you make valid arguments and to be honest I actually think you are both making the same point

I don't think Libertine is suggesting he is in favour of prostitues working under duress or that he doesn't care that some prostitutes are are addicted to drugs and miserable (in fact he actually makes that point in his post).

I also don't think that you are saying you wish to invade people's civil liberties to go into a legal profession such as escorting where they can make a fortune by choice, especially people who otherwise could choose a profession like medicine. If you can do medicine and decide on escorting then surely you are not acting under duress... ???

The bottom line is that if the answer was clear there would be no need for competing opinions on the subject, ultimately I think we can all agree that we don't want to see women forced or falling into prostitution (or men for that matter) but equally where women choose to exercise that trade legally we wouldn't want to stop them from making a legal living as they please.

perhaps agree to disagree is the best place to land...

and i am 26 with little genuine life experience and rarely ever read anything as I would prefer to play sport or generally watch mindless boring TV or go to the gym...

perhaps i have much to learn

Now I have to hear "One night in Bangkok" again...Anyone up for a game of chess?

To Coolguy

The bottom line is the amount of women who wouldnt feel raped doing this job are so little compared to the number of men who will pay for sex. In laymans terms the supply will never willingly meet the demand. And being raped is a little different than being bored at your accounting job, people who commit suicide arent doing it just because of their job, its likely there were other things they werent happy with in life. However people who have been raped often shows sign of PTSD as bad or worse than people who fought in war, prostitutes/escorts unsurprisingly are in this category as well. There are no accountants being shipped in from anywhere to fill positions in another country. Yet we see this in Amsterdam, the overwhelming majority of brothel workers there are brought in from poor countries where women dont have the choice of saying no. There is no reason anyone should be charging for sex. If a woman enjoys it that much she can do it for free all she likes, when money is introduced it inevitably brings in BS, when a market is created around it it inevitably brings in people who otherwise wouldnt have been brought in and dont enjoy it, because the supply will never willingly be as much as the demand. Dont get me started on how this roots into pedophile networks as well or we'll be here all day. The point is, this guys story is stupid, the girls didnt enjoy themselves, he was aware of this. And men going to thailand (where almost every prostitute started before the age of 16) to exploit poverty stricken individuals frankly doesnt really mesh into what this website seems to be about. Correct me if im wrong.