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HOW I PAID FOR COLLEGE (My Life as a Ticklish Sub.) - Bi-Weekly WEBCOMIC

Holy shit. These arguments I'm reading are more fictional than the fiction I'm writing.

My mind is utterly blown: That people can actually think that cellphones, data, internet plans and computers aren't luxury items. Or openly say out loud (or type) that welfare is free. That it's really so out-there that people have to walk to places that they want to apply to for work. And that somehow none of this applies to 'Merica.

I think what we're all getting a glimpse of right now is that abyss that I keep hearing about that exists on the internet.
 
Oekaki-Tickles said:
Holy shit. These arguments I'm reading are more fictional than the fiction I'm writing.

My mind is utterly blown: That people can actually think that cellphones, data, internet plans and computers aren't luxury items. Or openly say out loud (or type) that welfare is free. That it's really so out-there that people have to walk to places that they want to apply to for work. And that somehow none of this applies to 'Merica.

I think what we're all getting a glimpse of right now is that abyss that I keep hearing about that exists on the internet.
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The reason you're getting such pushback is because the only viewpoint you're bothering to consider is your own. I concede the point that it's possible to go without a cell phone or an internet connection. I understand that people do. That being said, it's also possible, even for those with limited financial means to have, say, a workable mobile phone. The FCC provides a discount program for people living below the poverty line, so that they can have phone and even broadband service. Whether or not enough people qualify, whether or not you consider the criteria fair, or whether or not such things exist in foreign countries isn't what's being debated. Such things are not purely speculative, are not wholly fictional. They're real government aid programs, at least here in the U.S. There is precedent. The point I'm making and that people seem to be either missing or actively ignoring is that given how much more critical it is these days for someone to be reachable at all times in case of emergencies or for work purposes and such, the idea of people going without seems implausible. Note my word choice: "implausible," not "impossible."

As for why this is even being argued in the first place, you're the one who insists that you want people to take your work "seriously." That it's not just meant to arouse and titillate. Ok. Fine. That's fair. But if that's the case, then it should also be open to critique. It should be open to analysis. You're under no obligation to listen to anything I've written, and by the same token, I'm under no obligation to keep reading. That's not in question. But at the same time, the idea is that I put forward my commentary in good faith: that it's intended as constructive and received as such. If you don't want to take it that way, or if the only commentary you're interested in hearing are those that are filled with unilateral praise, that's entirely your choice.

(Shrug)
 
"Such pushback" from 2 people? That qualifies as- nevermind. I insisted that people take it "seriously"? The only thing I asked was to not be upset that it's not foot porn 24/7.

You're defeating yourself here. Stick to one point, don't try and change the point when the original gets refuted (like has been done three times now.) and for god's sake- remember that it's a fetish comic. There are very real writing and artistic problems with my comic. But this thing you all are willing to argue tooth and nail over- isn't a real thing EVEN IN THE REAL WORLD.

This whole argument screams of welfare baby or kid still at home that's browsing a porn site underage.

So, as of this post consider the rest of your rants ignored. As I should have done in the beginning.

Enjoy the comic! 8)
 
Honestly, I wasn't attempting to bust any balls if that was directed at me. Just educate people who have never experienced what its like to be poor enough to have no luxuries (however important and necessary those luxuries are), but not "recognized" among the poor because of age, health, or "aptitude." Just because they can physically do a job, doesn't mean they'll be hired.

And yes, its in Japan. So American programs and values are irrelevant. That doesn't make it a debate about foreign programs when someone clarifies that the only country that is relevant is the character's country, NOT the viewers. People just keep moving goal posts and trying to turn this into someone being unreceptive to critique when that isn't it at all. People so easily jump on that when they go on the defensive. Critiquing is great, but please make sure you understand the facts yourself before you go telling someone they're doing it wrong.

And while it may not be wise to go without emergency contact, remember who they are. Two orphan delinquents with no one left to contact anyway. It's highly reasonable to believe they wouldn't consider such options.
 
Oekaki-Tickles said:
Uuuhhhh... really? Guys? Really? I mean: really?
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I guess so. Yikes.


Whew. This has spiraled outta control. I think I was just being over analytical. Never thought my offhandedly innocuous comment about one line in this comic would stir up such a flame-storm. Let alone continuing so would do all this. I mean, yeah, it’s the internet; serves me right. But this is getting my post count up.

So is Cassandra buying a collar for someone? Please say it is so!
 
Nuciferyne said:
Honestly, I wasn't attempting to bust any balls if that was directed at me. Just educate people who have never experienced what its like to be poor enough to have no luxuries (however important and necessary those luxuries are), but not "recognized" among the poor because of age, health, or "aptitude." Just because they can physically do a job, doesn't mean they'll be hired.

And yes, its in Japan. So American programs and values are irrelevant. That doesn't make it a debate about foreign programs when someone clarifies that the only country that is relevant is the character's country, NOT the viewers. People just keep moving goal posts and trying to turn this into someone being unreceptive to critique when that isn't it at all. People so easily jump on that when they go on the defensive. Critiquing is great, but please make sure you understand the facts yourself before you go telling someone they're doing it wrong.

And while it may not be wise to go without emergency contact, remember who they are. Two orphan delinquents with no one left to contact anyway. It's highly reasonable to believe they wouldn't consider such options.
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Yeah, it slipped my mind when I made post #309. Which lead to posts #313 and #315. This will give better context to #316 and onward. I was thinking about it flippantly. Or overanalyzing. Or something. At any rate, I’ve learned more about the minutiae of Japanese culture and infrastructure.

Love your work, by the way. Once I get out of my financial rut, I plan to join Patreon. You are on my list of Patreons I want to join, Nuciferyne.
 
Nuciferyne said:
And while it may not be wise to go without emergency contact, remember who they are. Two orphan delinquents with no one left to contact anyway. It's highly reasonable to believe they wouldn't consider such options.
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Which is an entirely valid point and I'd accept that if it were what were passed down from "on high," but instead, what we're hearing is, essentially, the author sticking his fingers in his ears, and going "La la la, I can't hear you," and blithely insisting that "This thing - as in this thing, right here: https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline-program-low-income-consumers - just doesn't exist. Nope, no way, no how, and by the way, shut up."

The Ad Hominem is a particularly sweet brand of icing on that cake.

As for your other point, yes, I know it's in a foreign country, but to say that that makes an American welfare program irrelevant doesn't necessarily track. Unless you're suggesting that one civilized nation would try to find a way to provide for its poorer citizens and another simply... wouldn't, why doesn't it stand to reason that there aren't similar government run programs in place in other countries? To me, showing that we have one here establishes precedent. Ok, this thing exists, and if it exists here in the U.S., and people avail themselves of it, then possibly, other countries would have something similar because they'd have the same people with the same needs.

Now the thing is, and I'll reiterate, I'm just spitballing. It's discussion fodder, as far as I'm concerned. I only have a dog in this "fight," in the sense that I took a side in the discussion, and I'm trying to defend it.
 
3xPIN said:
Whew. This has spiraled outta control. I think I was just being over analytical. Never thought my offhandedly innocuous comment about one line in this comic would stir up such a flame-storm.
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Heh. You saw what appeared to be a minor logical inconsistency and poked at it. Clearly, this is verboten.

Honestly, I wouldn't call what you've been saying "flaming." Or what I've said, either. I've tried to keep it all in the vein of analysis and discussion. Maybe I failed at that. Oh well.
 
I'll go ahead and ask a couple questions people have been dancing around and hopefully I'll lean something about a foreign country. Does Japan have public libraries? If so, do the libraries have computers with internet access available for use? Do Japanese schools have libraries with computers?
 
jim66e said:
I'll go ahead and ask a couple questions people have been dancing around and hopefully I'll lean something about a foreign country. Does Japan have public libraries? If so, do the libraries have computers with internet access available for use? Do Japanese schools have libraries with computers?
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Let me be clear: The whole argument was in relation to whether the girls had contact info. So they can be contacted at any time. Do random students normally live and sleep and are readily available at libraries anywhere in the world? This was about whether or not the girls OWNED these means. What I'm hearing is the same as the girls borrowing a stranger's phone or wifi.

This is what I am referring to with things not only getting out of hand, but the argument being changed - now by each new individual coming into it. The original point is no longer being argued- hence, those arguing these new points have no idea what they are even arguing about any longer. Even worse, people keep asking me to argue their points FOR THEM by giving them the facts that they don't know, which you all are only asking for because you are refusing to believe the plausibility of information I gave previously anyway. So why in the world would anything else I have to say on the matter... well, matter?

If you all want to know these things yourself, then google, get out of the house, etc. Don't expect me to feed you information just so you can throw the food back at me.

When someone really wants to learn, they don't ask for a lesson amidst an argument. They research things and experience it for themselves.
 
3xPIN said:
Yeah, it slipped my mind when I made post #309. Which lead to posts #313 and #315. This will give better context to #316 and onward. I was thinking about it flippantly. Or overanalyzing. Or something. At any rate, I’ve learned more about the minutiae of Japanese culture and infrastructure.

Love your work, by the way. Once I get out of my financial rut, I plan to join Patreon. You are on my list of Patreons I want to join, Nuciferyne.
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Thank you! I appreciate the thought/intention, and look forward to having you there. Good luck with the rut, though. I know how that goes all too well.

Vordertur said:
Which is an entirely valid point and I'd accept that if it were what were passed down from "on high," but instead, what we're hearing is, essentially, the author sticking his fingers in his ears, and going "La la la, I can't hear you," and blithely insisting that "This thing - as in this thing, right here: https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline-program-low-income-consumers - just doesn't exist. Nope, no way, no how, and by the way, shut up."

The Ad Hominem is a particularly sweet brand of icing on that cake.

As for your other point, yes, I know it's in a foreign country, but to say that that makes an American welfare program irrelevant doesn't necessarily track. Unless you're suggesting that one civilized nation would try to find a way to provide for its poorer citizens and another simply... wouldn't, why doesn't it stand to reason that there aren't similar government run programs in place in other countries? To me, showing that we have one here establishes precedent. Ok, this thing exists, and if it exists here in the U.S., and people avail themselves of it, then possibly, other countries would have something similar because they'd have the same people with the same needs.

Now the thing is, and I'll reiterate, I'm just spitballing. It's discussion fodder, as far as I'm concerned. I only have a dog in this "fight," in the sense that I took a side in the discussion, and I'm trying to defend it.
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Well, the author isn't saying that those programs don't exist in America as far as I saw. He said that its a totally different ballpark over there and its not unlikely that the girls wouldn't bother getting an email address since they don't own devices to grant access, and its not easy to just... Get help. Especially for a young woman, delinquent, student, with her trust issues/pride...in Japan. But just overall it was a silly thing to blow up about because it was a tiny detail. It just seemed like people ignored the setting entirely for the sake of their argument.

jim66e said:
I'll go ahead and ask a couple questions people have been dancing around and hopefully I'll lean something about a foreign country. Does Japan have public libraries? If so, do the libraries have computers with internet access available for use? Do Japanese schools have libraries with computers?
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From what I have learned; Japan does have public libraries. Most have internet, but it is highly filtered/limited. And the general consensus is there is rarely free wifi anywhere.

Oekaki-Tickles said:
Let me be clear: The whole argument was in relation to whether the girls had contact info. So they can be contacted at any time. Do random students normally live and sleep and are readily available at libraries anywhere in the world? This was about whether or not the girls The original point is no longer being argued- hence, those arguing these new points have no idea what they are even arguing about any longer.
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Ahh yes. Goal posts being moved. A classic strategy. Lol

To move along and avoid this thread continuing to spiral... Back to the comic!

I can't wait to see how these two react to what I think is about to happen!
 
Oekaki-Tickles said:
Let me be clear: The whole argument was in relation to whether the girls had contact info. So they can be contacted at any time. Do random students normally live and sleep and are readily available at libraries anywhere in the world? This was about whether or not the girls OWNED these means. What I'm hearing is the same as the girls borrowing a stranger's phone or wifi.

This is what I am referring to with things not only getting out of hand, but the argument being changed - now by each new individual coming into it. The original point is no longer being argued- hence, those arguing these new points have no idea what they are even arguing about any longer. Even worse, people keep asking me to argue their points FOR THEM by giving them the facts that they don't know, which you all are only asking for because you are refusing to believe the plausibility of information I gave previously anyway. So why in the world would anything else I have to say on the matter... well, matter?

If you all want to know these things yourself, then google, get out of the house, etc. Don't expect me to feed you information just so you can throw the food back at me.

When someone really wants to learn, they don't ask for a lesson amidst an argument. They research things and experience it for themselves.
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I am soooooo sorry I started this. I love your work. I was just saying Kira was kind of being a little too bitchy. Even for her character. I never intended this shitstorm.
 
Vordertur said:
Heh. You saw what appeared to be a minor logical inconsistency and poked at it. Clearly, this is verboten.

Honestly, I wouldn't call what you've been saying "flaming." Or what I've said, either. I've tried to keep it all in the vein of analysis and discussion. Maybe I failed at that. Oh well.
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Yeah, I’ve been not great at thinking. I said LAN line when I meant landlines. I said ‘commodity ‘ when I mean ‘utility’. Boy, do I feel like an ahole. I’ve been off my game lately.
 
3xPIN said:
Boy, do I feel like an ahole. I’ve been off my game lately.
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Don't.

It's a discussion.

I suppose I can only speak for myself, but as I said in an earlier post, I don't have anything at stake in this. I'm just discussing something. It's a work of fiction, and I'm discussing it, much the same way you chat about that movie you just saw with a bunch of your coworkers while standing around the water cooler. I don't see any reason to feel guilty for raising a point, or for seeing something and feeling it needed a bit of clarification.
 
It amazes me how the internet can always take the tiniest things and turn them into the biggest shit storms.
 
3xPIN said:
I am soooooo sorry I started this. I love your work. I was just saying Kira was kind of being a little too bitchy. Even for her character. I never intended this shitstorm.
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It's fine. I didn't get the sense though that we were talking about Kira at all.

Kamikaze7 said:
It amazes me how the internet can always take the tiniest things and turn them into the biggest shit storms.
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Even this particular thing. It wasn't ever really a thing either. I'm just as guilty though for responding as much as I did.
 
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CHEERS!

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In regards to the apparent argument: A discussion turns into an argument the moment accusations are aimed at individuals and not the topic. "You just don't listen to criticisms." For instance. Also, joining this late in the game would be crazy, as I've already noticed some posts being edited to change their original meaning.

8)
 
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Oekaki-Tickles said:
Let me be clear: The whole argument was in relation to whether the girls had contact info. So they can be contacted at any time. Do random students normally live and sleep and are readily available at libraries anywhere in the world? This was about whether or not the girls OWNED these means. What I'm hearing is the same as the girls borrowing a stranger's phone or wifi.

This is what I am referring to with things not only getting out of hand, but the argument being changed - now by each new individual coming into it. The original point is no longer being argued- hence, those arguing these new points have no idea what they are even arguing about any longer. Even worse, people keep asking me to argue their points FOR THEM by giving them the facts that they don't know, which you all are only asking for because you are refusing to believe the plausibility of information I gave previously anyway. So why in the world would anything else I have to say on the matter... well, matter?

If you all want to know these things yourself, then google, get out of the house, etc. Don't expect me to feed you information just so you can throw the food back at me.

When someone really wants to learn, they don't ask for a lesson amidst an argument. They research things and experience it for themselves.
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I'm sorry my questions offended you so much. I don't think they called for the intensity of your response, they seemed to have unintentionally touched on a sore subject.
 
jim66e said:
I'm sorry my questions offended you so much. I don't think they called for the intensity of your response, they seemed to have unintentionally touched on a sore subject.
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Ya'll need to refine your bait just a bit for older folks, I think. False pretenses being your first mistake.

Cheers! ^.^/
 
Not interested in the argument. Just your great comics and storyline!
 
Oekaki-Tickles said:
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DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR THIS COMIC HERE!: www.topwebcomics.com/vote/22091 so I can get more readers! ^.^/ (You can vote ONCE A DAY per machine! DANKE!!!)

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SURPRISE! There's a new pupper on the scene! Will he be a force of great good, OR GREAT EVIL?! Where does his Destiny truly LIE?! (Been watching too much of BBC's Merlin lately.) (NOTE: Strays are apparently illegal in Japan, and even Taiwan. In Japan it is very rare to see a stray as they are taken in and put down fairly quickly. In Taiwan you'll see them often though, because most people turn a blind eye and don't want to be responsible for a little pupper being put down.)

CHEERS!

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In regards to the apparent argument: A discussion turns into an argument the moment accusations are aimed at individuals and not the topic. "You just don't listen to criticisms." For instance. Also, joining this late in the game would be crazy, as I've already noticed some posts being edited to change their original meaning.

8)
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Oooooh!! Collars!!
 
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