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Just curious: question for video producers

xionking

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I'm curious and interested to know, what's the process you go thru when a 'model' ends up shooting a tickling scene with you - starting from when u initially engage her or she reaches out to you expressing interest, to her ending up tied at your whim?

I'm fascinated to know how the whole.thing generally unfolds.
 
I'm not asking for your sales pitch if producers feel reluctant to discuss this. Im genuinely curious as to for example, how Tickle Abuse gets so many models who are willing to get tickled. Is there an agency? What kind of questions do models ask? Is it what they expect? What questions are asked to potential models?

Is it a quick recruitment process or does It take time to develop rapport and trust?

Again, not looking for your sales pitch, I have no desire to ever produce videos. The psychology of it all is what facinates me.
 
Sorry, I noticed this earlier today while surfing on my phone and made a note to type something up once I actually got in front of a computer.

Questions first, then an answer for the OP.

Im genuinely curious as to for example, how Tickle Abuse gets so many models who are willing to get tickled.

Money. M-O-N-E-Y. I'm kinda surprised at how often people are baffled that women will (*gasp*) let people tickle them for money, and I can only surmise it has something to do with some kind of shame over their fetish. Like, there's a lot of people here who can't even say "the word" without breaking out into a cold sweat, so it boggles their minds that other people can not only discuss it, nay, but actually do it - and with complete strangers, no less!

Anyway. Not a dig at you, xion. But you'd be surprised at how many fetish models, porn stars, strippers, sex workers, escorts, and other free-wheeling women are out there who don't mind making some easy money. And that's all a tickling shoot is to them. Even if they're the kind of person for whom it'd be torture - it's still over in an hour. Or, maybe they're one of the gals who would be found here, and actually like it. Heaven forbid, right? Well, they do. The girls I work with do, anyway. I mean, c'mon. Prostitutes get fucked up the ass by total strangers, and usually for less money than a tickling shoot pays - why is the notion that women will work with us so alien?

Is there an agency?

Not usually, no. I was contacted by an agency once, but they backed out once they realized the scale of my operation and the fact that it was fetish work. They thought I needed foot models for shoes or something.

Most models, especially fetish models, hustle like a motherfucker. Even the pros, who are established, often cruise the want-ads looking for extra dosh. Now, that's not to say that agencies don't exist; I booked a shoot with a fairly well-known porn star through her agent once (it fell through, though). Six of one, half-dozen of the other.

What kind of questions do models ask?

The two most common questions I get asked are;

"How long is the shoot?", and "How much am I getting paid?".

Usually, while chatting during initial prep, the girls often ask me if I myself have a foot fetish, since that's usually the focus of my work. Sometimes, yes, they do ask what the shoot entails but most of the time they just want to know where to show up. (As an aside, I'm kind of surprised at how many of them show up - to my apartment, no less - without any kind of escort. Then again, I mostly work with coeds... but even the pros rarely do.)

Is it what they expect?

Who knows? I'm also kind of curious as to why everyone thinks models are stunned by what they're getting into. None of them have ever freaked out and been like "I DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS!" and run for their lives or anything. Then again, that's usually because regardless of whether or not they ask about the shoot, I tell them about the shoot. I don't want a girl showing up to my place thinking I'm hiding anything or that she's been tricked, especially since I don't work out of a studio. At this point, I kinda feel like it's my job to do the model's thinking for her, because (as I mentioned previously) they rarely do their due diligence, so even if they don't ask, I always make sure to tell them "Hey, you can bring security if you want, and here's what's involved."

What questions are asked to potential models?

I always ask models if they're okay with what I plan to do (which depends on the shoot). Most of them have no idea what foot worship is, for instance, so if I plan on doing a segment involving that I always make sure they're okay with it. Usually, though, I just verify that they're ticklish. None of them have ever lied or otherwise been misleading about that (in other words, I've never worked with a girl who said she was ticklish and wasn't), so it's sufficient on my end.

Is it a quick recruitment process or does It take time to develop rapport and trust?

It's fairly quick. A few E-mails back and forth to verify we're both on the same page, then I schedule a shoot and bam; we're done in a few days to a week, depending on her schedule. "Rapport" doesn't really need to be built, for two reasons. One, if you're hiring a pro she (or her agent, and it was an agent that told me this) has a finely-tuned "creep radar" and can sniff out if you're "off" pretty much instantly, and two, coeds don't care. They want to get paid as quickly as you want to get the shoot done.

Okay, with that out of the way, here's my answer to the original post. But first, I need to clarify something.

...to her ending up tied at your whim?

I hope this was just a poor choice of words on your part, because no model is ever "at my whim". Nothing happens that is not agreed-upon beforehand. Period. Crazy as it sounds, even though shoots are fun, they don't carry the same kind of thrill as a regular play session. I never once thought "oh boy, Kim is coming over and I've totally got her at my mercy". You're shooting a product, and nine times out of ten you care more about how the lighting is casting a glare than the girl in front of you.

Anyway.

I get most of my new girls from Craigslist, although a few have been referrals. In the case of CL, I post an ad and wait. Eventually I'll get a hastily-typed message, usually in text-speak, with a selfie or two (head and feet) via camera phone, informing me "hi im interested". If I'm really lucky, she'll actually form complete sentences and link me to some form of modeling portfolio. I'll message her back and confirm that she's aware that this is a tickling shoot and that she knows how much I'm offering (I list it in the ad). If the shoot is for differing types of scenes (tickling, worship, etc.) I'll ask her what she's open to doing, then confirm that when she says "im up for anything" that she truly means that, and that she'll be okay with tickling, foot worship, and optionally, bondage. (I rarely use bondage in my shoots but I make sure to let the girls know that it's entirely at their discretion.) I also confirm that there'll be no nudity, and also that her anonymity will be respected if that's a concern. Again, they rarely ask about this stuff on their own so I consider it my responsibility to make sure they're informed. Once we're all good, I'll schedule a shoot and remind her that she'll be signing a model release and that she needs to bring proof of age.

Referrals usually work the same way. I call the potential model and ask her how much her friend has told her about what I do, but otherwise proceed the same as above. (For the record, Catherine, Priti, Patience, Lina, and Natasha were referrals. I don't remember if there were others.)

The day of the shoot, she usually texts me to let me know she's arrived. I send off my own photo ahead of time so she knows who she's meeting, and then go out and meet her (I live in a gated complex.) We go inside, I give her the quick run-down of the history of Sole Mates and let her know about how the videos are edited and sold ("Visit the website ahead of time", I say. They never do.)

We chat while I'm setting up my gear (and she's reading/signing her paperwork), then before we begin filming I usually do a quick "dry run", tickling her feet a bit with all of my different tools and using different techniques so that there's no fumbling around or surprises once the camera is rolling. I also ask her for feedback, and we generally work out the most effective way to tickle her and find all of her best spots, then I give her a safeword ("red") and get to shooting.

Shooting is a pretty simple affair, for me; I tend to wing it and come up with shot angles on the fly, but otherwise use as many of the different tickle tools as I found to work well during the "research" phase. I do as much of this as we have for the time alotted, then wrap it up, give her her cash, get either a handshake or hug (depends on the girl), and walk her back to her car. Sometimes I give them one of my business cards, if they express interest in future work, and make sure we have each other's contact info. Then I go export all of the footage to my PC and there it sits, waiting to be integrated into my release schedule.

I try to make it as fun as possible, and the girls usually enjoy themselves. As a result, I get outtakes like this; View attachment KVP1 Outtake 1.wmv

Now, that's how a small-timer operates. Based on my understanding of the photography industry at large, the big guys generally have more gear, more paperwork, and work with models who cost more money. If I left anything out of the process that's unique to them, they can expand on what I've said here.

EDIT: Would you believe that I just got a response to my ad while I was typing this post? Time to get to work...
 
You know Solemates, you're awesome! I really mean it; I was looking at this thread earlier, and seeing no answer from you I started to feel bad. I don't know what this forum would become without your detailed, extremely comprehensive "no-nonsensical" explanations of the inner workings of the video producing business! I love to read those, not only do they contain a wealth of knowledge, they are also extremely well-written. Thank you again for this awesome post!

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Comprehensive answer mate. Big ups. Thanks for that.

I suppose when I say "tied at your whim", its a fantasy phrase, and as you rightly pointed out, the nature of the shoot itself takes away the authenticity of how an enthusiast would imagine an ideal "play session" would go.

It's funny that you posted that outtake vid, cuz seeing a couple of TA vids where the camera rolls prior to the model being tied, thru all the way til the end (I'm pretty sure it was Sasha?) is actually what gauged my curiosity.

Honestly, aspects of what you've described dont sound dissimilar to seeing a pro or escort. Discussions are had, expectations are established, money is exchanged and afterwards the world keeps on spinning.

In saying that, I'm not ignorant to the fact that money is a huge motivating factor for getting others to engage in the type of activity you desire, whether it be tickling, foot worship or whatever.

I'd also suggest that the rapport you develop with the model, pro, or escort prior and I feel more importantly during the shoot will influence the outcome of the video/shoot, therefore whilst money, business and lighting play a primary role, there is absolute still a secondary human aspect to the whole thing. Id say that you should offer yourself a bit of credit around this cuz it sounds like you display such qualities.

No one proves this more so than the Tickler in Black, who in my opinion, obviously had an attractive personality that drew similar personality types to shoot for him. At times, I've even questioned that perhaps underneath that mask of his, he was a charming, good looking Californian and a bit of a catch to some of those models, with a wallet full of cash to boot.

Anyway, if you wanna respond to this mate, you r more than welcome to. But thanks for that incredible response.

What about other producers? Anyone have experiences different to what's already been discussed?

How has the implementation of streaming services and easier access changed your mindset towards producing? I suppose that's a larger question that steers aways from the OP, but feel free to answer anyhow.
 
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I'd also suggest that the rapport you develop with the model, pro, or escort prior and I feel more importantly during the shoot will influence the outcome of the video/shoot, therefore whilst money, business and lighting play a primary role, there is absolute still a secondary human aspect to the whole thing. Id say that you should offer yourself a bit of credit around this cuz it sounds like you display such qualities.

oh, absolutely. I definitely pride myself on the chemistry I have with the girls on camera. There's definitely some really awkward motherfuckers out there shooting clips and it's painful to watch. What I meant was, that stuff can't really be cultivated beforehand via E-mail and text. I think the only time I ever even met a model prior to the shoot was when I took Natasha out to dinner to so we could talk about the scope of the project (I'd had a far more elaborate idea for a video with her that never came to fruition), or the few girls I knew from prior relationships (Ash, Teri, and Zoe are real-life friends of mine).

the nature of the shoot itself takes away the authenticity of how an enthusiast would imagine an ideal "play session" would go.

Pretty much. Sometimes I ask myself why so many people have such a sperg-like obsession with the ins and outs of the vid biz, and then I have to remember that the fantasy of it that they've built up in their heads trumps reality, and they're probably hoping for some juicy tales to confirm their daydreams. That's rarely how it goes.

How has the implementation of streaming services and easier access changed your mindset towards producing?

I wasn't in business back then, but I can say that digital distribution is a double-edged sword. The up side is that anyone can make videos. The downside is... anyone can make videos. In my experience tho, there's still a preference for files over streams. My membership site is streaming only and it rarely sees any customers at all.
 
oh, absolutely. I definitely pride myself on the chemistry I have with the girls on camera. There's definitely some really awkward motherfuckers out there shooting clips and it's painful to watch. What I meant was, that stuff can't really be cultivated beforehand via E-mail and text. I think the only time I ever even met a model prior to the shoot was when I took Natasha out to dinner to so we could talk about the scope of the project (I'd had a far more elaborate idea for a video with her that never came to fruition), or the few girls I knew from prior relationships (Ash, Teri, and Zoe are real-life friends of mine).



Pretty much. Sometimes I ask myself why so many people have such a sperg-like obsession with the ins and outs of the vid biz, and then I have to remember that the fantasy of it that they've built up in their heads trumps reality, and they're probably hoping for some juicy tales to confirm their daydreams. That's rarely how it goes.



I wasn't in business back then, but I can say that digital distribution is a double-edged sword. The up side is that anyone can make videos. The downside is... anyone can make videos. In my experience tho, there's still a preference for files over streams. My membership site is streaming only and it rarely sees any customers at all.

What's the incentive then to shoot videos if there's minimal traffic on the membership site? This may sound a little controvesial, but has this become the medium for you to have an outlet for your own kinks? In some way, perhaps, but Im not proposing this at all to negate the hard work you put into the production side of the shoot, and I mean that with the upmost respect (upmost or utmost??? I can never tell). I guess Im trying to suggest that perhaps there's a means to an end.

It's interesting and I may be hitting personal territory here, but what's the ratio of play sessions to video shoots for you?
 
I originally was going to pass on reading this thread because the questions posed, albeit interesting and thought provoking could be difficult or awkward to answer. Sole Mates did such a wonderful job at handling this, that I actually want to hear more behind the scenes stuff!
 
How's about a little credit for my ability to create a virtual safe space that invites thoughtful and insightful answers? Sole Mates getting all the kudos here, but he wouldn't be answering anything if I hadn't asked.

So there's that. (Absolutely tongue-in-cheek, but also true).
 
What's the incentive then to shoot videos if there's minimal traffic on the membership site?

There's literally no extra effort involved. Clips4Sale offers a streaming/membership service as part of their studio package. All you do is click a checkbox that says "make this video available in my membership area" when uploading a clip. If it was a totally separate effort, then yes, I wouldn't bother. This is why my Images4Sale storefront only has three items on it; I felt the time it took to curate the pictures wasn't justified by the return.

I think it's a good bargain for people who just want to gorge and go. You can watch my entire catalog for thirty dollars. Pays for itself once you factor in the more expensive videos, IMHO.

This may sound a little controvesial, but has this become the medium for you to have an outlet for your own kinks?

Not really, no. I have an active social life and I meet my play partners that way.

It's interesting and I may be hitting personal territory here, but what's the ratio of play sessions to video shoots for you?

That number would vary depending on whether I was in a dry spell or not. For the record, though, Zoe and I go back years. If I wanted to I could literally call her up for a tickle whenever I felt like it, so I don't need to do this for a thrill. I'm actually branching out into regular photography now and doing shoots with local bands for their press materials and merch, all because of the skills I developed shooting tickle vids. Not to mention my FX work, which is bleeding back over in the fetish stuff; my newest video is an experiment in that.

I'm also not as prolific as other producers, so at this point I shoot maybe twice a year. I've actually got a backlog at the moment, and only really shot some new stuff because Barbie was in town, and I like to introduce at least one new model a year.

Okay, looking back I think I represented myself poorly. I sell clips in both downloadable file format and offer them for streaming on my membership site. Of the two, people prefer files to streaming. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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I'd be interested to check out your fx work.

Nice mate, well all the best with your future endeavors and thanks again for being so candid.
 
I generally do something like this;
 

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Fetish models generally and in most cases have web pages presence whether fetlife/craigslist ads/backpage ads/websites/modelmayhem pages etc... In there you can generally find an idea of the type of shoots they do.

This right there is 50% of the work done. Even if they dont have tickling listed there you can probably estimate which ones would have interest in shooting a clip with you as a producer. Then all you have to do is strike a conversation to see if they are interested. (SEE Image posted below on shoot I did as a collab with a female producer, i have blocked out names and location of the shoot but as you can see it's not very difficult)

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So, I came back to this thread because a few interesting things have happened lately. For one, I remembered that my last shoot (with Mya) happened sole-ly (HA!) due to a fan. I had just gotten my Instagram off the ground and a dude PMed me telling me about this great model who was looking to get into the tickling biz. I checked out her profile, confirmed that she was somewhere in California (shooting out of state is like, hard n' stuff), and then sent her a message on Instagram. We exchanged phone #'s, set up a shoot, and then I went down to where she was located, got a motel room, and did our thing. I was hoping that more Instagram models would follow, as a lot of them have really large, established, and loyal fan bases... but the bulk of them either aren't interested in working with independent photographers or simply don't answer their PMs. So that hasn't really panned out.

However, I'm happy to say that I'll be working with a model from another studio within the next few weeks. I'm not going to say who it actually is until the footage is safely on my hard drive, but I literally saw her pictures on the studio's Instagram page, then contacted him and asked him if he could get in touch with her on my behalf and ask her if she'd like to shoot with me. She said yes, so I sent along my contact info and she dropped me a line late last week. If I wasn't booked solid with prior commitments we'd have done it already!

Sole Mates did such a wonderful job at handling this, that I actually want to hear more behind the scenes stuff!

Ask away, and I'll do my best to answer.
 
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