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Please help. Piracy is wrong. It is killing us. We aren't rich like you think.

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You're GOING INTO teaching - so you haven't actually been there yet. You don't know how much trouble you'll have if a fellow teacher steals your lesson plans. Someone observing you sees the similarity, and brings charges against you, which you will then have to spend time (= money) defending yourself. And if that fellow teacher is a bit smarter than you, you end up losing your job, and maybe any possibility of obtaining another teaching position. So yes, it can hurt you, big time.

I mean if you wanna argue about this crap we can argue about this crap. The school I'll be teaching at has a centralized folder of all the lesson plans that shows which user accessed which files and when. On top of that, collaboration among the teachers is suggested hence the centralized folder and whatnot. Yes if I were to go and write a textbook or thesis or whatnot and that got reproduced, maybe that'll come back and bite me in the ass, but I'll approach that situation when the time comes.
 
He thinks he's clever. He's young and inexperienced. He'll change his tune after a few years in the real world when things he hadn't considered end up
causing him and his the same kind of grief he and those with the same short shortsightedness are causing people today. If it doesn't affect him, it'll affect
his spouse/partner or his kids. He may have a software designer daughter who gets laid off from a company because of piracy or a literary talented son who self publishes his first book and sees little monetary return on it because it was pirated and released (these are examples of things that have actually happened). Maybe he won't have kids, but one of these scenarios will happen to one of his favorite students. Then when they asks him why people would do this kind of thing, he can explain it to them. Having vast experience doing it to other people and feeling totally justified about it.

That's what I was trying to tell him (and hopefully, whomever shares his view), but I was trying a polite, non-confrontational approach like I would do IRL. Insults just antagonize people, and he himself is a nice chap like many people on this forum. We just have a point of disagreement, and I was trying to tell him that he may get harmed too in the future by his lenient attitude towards piracy. You have summarized it very well, IMO.

I do understand that this issue is very sensitive. Lots of misunderstanding and hypocrisy on it. But nevertheless, I do not think outward aggression will yield the best results, even though it may help vent the frustration.
 
I mean if you wanna argue about this crap we can argue about this crap. The school I'll be teaching at has a centralized folder of all the lesson plans that shows which user accessed which files and when. On top of that, collaboration among the teachers is suggested hence the centralized folder and whatnot. Yes if I were to go and write a textbook or thesis or whatnot and that got reproduced, maybe that'll come back and bite me in the ass, but I'll approach that situation when the time comes.

It seems you got the point. I was also surprised by the "teaching plan" argument; I did not even think it was possible to copyright those. Where I work we share that stuff a lot, and it gets heavily modified by everyone along the way, so I am not sure anyone of us could claim authorship. But you got the gist of it: if intellectual property becomes negated, then here comes socialism: negation of individuals' rights , reduction of the each creator's income, etc... It is a serious issue and everyone is concerned.

I too do not think we live in an ideal system. Stories abound about movie directors cheated by studios, authors robbed by their publishers... and Kelli getting exploited by Tickle Intensive. I am mad at that too. But stealing intellectual property, robbing people like Kelli or you and me of our profits regardless whether what we do is a hobby or a career is plain wrong. We created the product. We invented it, it came from our mind, we perfected it, and decided to sell it. It is our brainchild, without us you wouldn't even be able to have it. We can offer it for free (some do, but it is the author's privilege, not yours), but as long as we put a price tag on it, either you buy it or you don't. Stealing it is an offense to the author, whatever way you look at it.
 
That's what I was trying to tell him (and hopefully, whomever shares his view), but I was trying a polite, non-confrontational approach like I would do IRL. Insults just antagonize people, and he himself is a nice chap like many people on this forum. We just have a point of disagreement, and I was trying to tell him that he may get harmed too in the future by his lenient attitude towards piracy. You have summarized it very well, IMO.

I do understand that this issue is very sensitive. Lots of misunderstanding and hypocrisy on it. But nevertheless, I do not think outward aggression will yield the best results, even though it may help vent the frustration.

I'm blunt with him because it doesn't matter if I'm polite or not. He's not willing to wrestle with the moral and real world problems his philosophy creates. He knows that this could happen. He's admitted as much. He's just not willing to give it serious thought because it might mean changing his lifestyle and he likes it just fine. Like many, he'll learn when someone he cares about, and I assume he does care or will care about some few people, get hurt by people who hold the same view he does. It's akin to drug dealers or corporate predators. Their actions only hit home when they actually hit home.
 
I'm blunt with him because it doesn't matter if I'm polite or not. He's not willing to wrestle with the moral and real world problems his philosophy creates. He knows that this could happen. He's admitted as much. He's just not willing to give it serious thought because it might mean changing his lifestyle and he likes it just fine. Like many, he'll learn when someone he cares about, and I assume he does care or will care about some few people, get hurt by people who hold the same view he does. It's akin to drug dealers or corporate predators. Their actions only hit home when they actually hit home.

Congratulations on your 2000th post :p

Seriously, I am a pretty blunt person too. Rather than split hairs or euphemizing, I like to describe things as they are. If anything, the intellectual world is suffering way too much from this tendency to euphemize everything. See the famous George Carlin sketch about "soft language"; I am with you here.

However, to me, and this is not aimed at you in particular, presuming that a person will never change their views is akin to labeling them an enemy rather than a partner in a constructive discussion. Name-calling and whatnot tend only to confirm for the person holding different views that the one talking to him/her is just a douche and will comfort him/her in his/her wrongdoings rather than prompt them to reexamine their stance. I am not saying that it will work every time, but trying to appeal to someone's heart and/or reason needs to be attempted at least once before telling them that they suck. Otherwise, there is no point having a discussion. At least that's how I see it.
 
It can be an effective way to protect yourself and your business.

Ranting on here like a psychopath (since some are sensitive to the word "bitch", even though she used the exact same word to describe herself)? I guess we'll see how it translates into real world numbers, I suppose. If the "shut up and listen, piracy is wrong you jackass" method is the magic bullet, I'd imagine we'll hear about it eventually.

I've welcomed u to read through the thread and see the people who openly offered more support.

I've noted that. Call me cynical, but that presumes they will keep their word and never engage in piracy again (possible, sure, but the validation just isn't in yet). Even then, I'm not sure one would consider them a significant number when compared to the number of those who actively pirate...

Again, if this has worked significantly, I'm sure that info will be shared. For now, I'm going to remain skeptical.
 
Perhaps you're right. Guess I'll use the money that I've saved up from not buying tickle clips to cushion whatever fallout comes from it.
These videos are not expensive at all. You make it sound like you're a person in a low income class and bracket.
 
Ranting on here like a psychopath (since some are sensitive to the word "bitch", even though she used the exact same word to describe herself)? I guess we'll see how it translates into real world numbers, I suppose. If the "shut up and listen, piracy is wrong you jackass" method is the magic bullet, I'd imagine we'll hear about it eventually.



I've noted that. Call me cynical, but that presumes they will keep their word and never engage in piracy again (possible, sure, but the validation just isn't in yet). Even then, I'm not sure one would consider them a significant number when compared to the number of those who actively pirate...

Again, if this has worked significantly, I'm sure that info will be shared. For now, I'm going to remain skeptical.

A significant number is not what is aimed for. If even a handful of people change their ways it is a good start. We can not change the world, but we can make a dent.
 
Perhaps you're right. Guess I'll use the money that I've saved up from not buying tickle clips to cushion whatever fallout comes from it.

So, if one student manages to steal the answers to one of your exam, and shares it with the rest of the class, you'd be cool with that?
 
So, if one student manages to steal the answers to one of your exam, and shares it with the rest of the class, you'd be cool with that?

If they're up for sale, the guy who buys the exam answers should only keep them to himself. If he shares them with the rest of the class, he's scum. And if the rest of the class accept to cheat their way into a killer grade, shame on them. They should have bought them themselves.
 
Yes this is my exact point. I don't need fap material, but since it's there, I take advantage of it. If I had to pay for it, I'd just use my imagination. I still wouldn't pay for tickle porn. It's not that important.

You don't need it and it isn't important to you but you go looking for it anyway? Nobody forces you to go searching for pirated clips, so obviously it is important - you just don't want to pay for it when you can get it for free. You can steal food from the supermarket rather than pay for it and apply the same argument but it wouldn't hold up in court - 'I don't need to do it, I just do it because it's easy'


I stopped pirating music when Spotify became prevalent, maybe tickle producers should find a way to band together and have one service that has all of the clips. Maybeeee at that point I'd pay for it, still likely not.

That sort of system would not even come close to covering any of the producers' costs and so would be pointless unfortunately...we are not Apple, selling billions of $ worth of content to billions of customers. We are providing niche fetish content to a tiny minority of the population. By your own admission, you probably wouldn't sign up to a system like this anyway so where's the incentive for this?


But $5-20 for a 5-30 minute clip is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD considering the benefit that I get from it. It's marginally better than me using my imagination.

It's far from absurd when you consider the costs and margins involved, but if you think it is then don't buy clips - just use your marginally less effective imagination to whack off and spend the money on your lunch or whatever. But don't go seeking it out for free and then claim that you don't need it, since that is clearly absurd



I'm just saying, maybe the producers need to take a step back and look at the system they've created before it crumbles beneath them.

We didn't create this - the system of producing goods for paying customers has been around for a long time...it's a standard business model. The problem of fraud and theft is something that many businesses have to confront at one time or another, and you're right that we do have to look at it and discuss the issues. Reducing prices so much that no one can cover their overheads however, is not an affective way to deal with it. Realistically, the loss of income means businesses have to find clever ways of increasing prices and reducing their production costs.
 
Here is my proposal for a non-perfect but probably workable solution:

Every clip is a crowdsourced custom clip. the producer can set a price according to what level of profit they need to make for this to be worth their while and not actually make the thing until that much money has been raised. After being made it can still be sold in the usual way, as custom clips afaik often are anyway.

From the producer's point of view, it matters less if the stuff gets pirated as they have already made their profit.

From the buyers point of view, a free rider problem remains in that if the clip is pirated they have paid for the enjoyment of others. However, there are some mitigating factors. Those who fund the clip can be given some level of control over content on a one dollar one vote basis. A gamified reward system is also possible, with sites giving online medals and the like to funders and thanking them by screen name in the clips. There will not be any way for pirates to replicate this. By using many small donations, the impact of piracy is spread over a very large number of people rather than being suffered by the producer alone. I doubt many people who are willing to fund to the tune of 1-5 dollars would be dissuaded from doing so by the possibility of piracy. Certainly much less dissuaded than producers are from all the effort and expense of making a clip.
 
Here is my proposal for a non-perfect but probably workable solution:

Every clip is a crowdsourced custom clip. the producer can set a price according to what level of profit they need to make for this to be worth their while and not actually make the thing until that much money has been raised. After being made it can still be sold in the usual way, as custom clips afaik often are anyway.

From the producer's point of view, it matters less if the stuff gets pirated as they have already made their profit.

From the buyers point of view, a free rider problem remains in that if the clip is pirated they have paid for the enjoyment of others. However, there are some mitigating factors. Those who fund the clip can be given some level of control over content on a one dollar one vote basis. A gamified reward system is also possible, with sites giving online medals and the like to funders and thanking them by screen name in the clips. There will not be any way for pirates to replicate this. By using many small donations, the impact of piracy is spread over a very large number of people rather than being suffered by the producer alone. I doubt many people who are willing to fund to the tune of 1-5 dollars would be dissuaded from doing so by the possibility of piracy. Certainly much less dissuaded than producers are from all the effort and expense of making a clip.

Unfortunately, crowd-sourcing isn't going to produce many videos for a number of reasons. Like other producers, we make customs (single person crowd-sourcing) and the video is paid for, but unless we charge a high fee(which we don't), we're not making any money on the thing unless we sell it. Then piracy rears its head. Also, like a superhero movie, we aren't counting on just the core fans to support our content. We sell to many outside the core community. Also, these people are not going to be doing regular crowd-sourcing. People can't afford it. Not to mention the problem with agreement on what will be in the video. We have lots of videos. While a few customers might buy most of our videos, most customers only buy a few. LGZ's first video, back in 1997, was a crowd-sourced video. It cost like $1500 to make and that was without the owners seeing a dime of profit. My point is, producers can make them by crowd-sourcing, but they can't make many and they won't make money unless they sell them and they'll still have to deal with piracy.
 
Twice tonight I have cleaned this thad out of Golden rule violations and personal attacks.

Next time comes with time outs.

Stay on topic. Be polite. Debate the points not the person.

Myriads
 
I really appreciate all of the responses. 15 pages is impressive. No matter if you love or hate me, I love you all for sharing your opinions.
 
Also, like a superhero movie, we aren't counting on just the core fans to support our content. We sell to many outside the core community.

Wait, are you saying that there are people who buy these videos and yet do not have the fetish?
 
Wait, are you saying that there are people who buy these videos and yet do not have the fetish?

I think what he means is that a lot of customers actually don't come through the TMF, and may not really visit this site - certainly that is my experience.
 
I think what he means is that a lot of customers actually don't come through the TMF, and may not really visit this site - certainly that is my experience.

Ahhh, then by "community" he meant the TMF? Okay that makes more sense. I could not imagine how anyone would buy a tickling video if (s)he wasn't into tickling...
 
Ahhh, then by "community" he meant the TMF? Okay that makes more sense. I could not imagine how anyone would buy a tickling video if (s)he wasn't into tickling...

I was kind of wondering about that as well lol. I should have realized he meant the TMF community :)
 
Wait, are you saying that there are people who buy these videos and yet do not have the fetish?

Well, in our case, the videos have a lot more than just tickling so we have customers who are more interested in the gas element or even the story/damsel in peril element. But I meant the TMF community. Many of our customers don't frequent it.
 
Well, in our case, the videos have a lot more than just tickling so we have customers who are more interested in the gas element or even the story/damsel in peril element. But I meant the TMF community. Many of our customers don't frequent it.

If I am not being too nosy what is your primary referring link? I just ran a scan on my store and it looks like my top 4 are C4S, Pornhub, Google (mainly Russian), and TMF. These are followed by some scattered ones like Yahoo and various other forums and stuff I frequent.
 
If I am not being too nosy what is your primary referring link? I just ran a scan on my store and it looks like my top 4 are C4S, Pornhub, Google (mainly Russian), and TMF. These are followed by some scattered ones like Yahoo and various other forums and stuff I frequent.

Well, we get those(as well as Google UK and Canada) but we have a lot of bookmarks. We've been around a long time and have a core following that shops with us regularly.
 
Well, we get those(as well as Google UK and Canada) but we have a lot of bookmarks. We've been around a long time and have a core following that shops with us regularly.

Glad to hear you have such loyal customers! I am still pretty new and not really considered a "professional producer", (most would call me a "GWC" lol); however, I am just beginning to get a few steady customers, mostly from Germany and the surrounding areas. Hopefully at some point things will be at a point where I can invest in a full studio but for now I am happy just doing this for fun :)
 
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