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Well see as was my understanding based on the constant complaints, all that is fake tickling, and you guys want it 4realz!
People that want to see their favorite producers stay in business; be able to afford to hire new models; keep popular models coming back and making more than 1 video; create new and classic videos; pay for better equipment or afford to replace equipment when shit happens; and create a consistent flow of content that keeps making dreams and fantasies come true. Among other things ..
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The fact of the matter that most people are ignoring is that for most, it's not about brand loyalty or anything like that. It's about novelty. And when you are in a business that has to compete with people who create amateur versions that can be just as good if not better than the paid products, on top of the fact that you have to contend with piracy, there isn't much you can do about it. You can't make a living off of everything you enjoy doing, it's a sad fact of reality. Either you have to accept that or you don't. The reason many video companies are so successful on the internet is that they have accepted those things and have found other ways of monetizing their brand. It's simple economics, if people give for free that for which you want to charge, they will win out in the end. It's not what a lot of people want to hear, but it's the truth.
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Economics is rarely simple. Also, there aren't many "amateur" competitors or people making videos and giving them away for free. Almost all of it is people taking producer's content and "sharing" it. A lot of these people sharing it only do it on a quid pro quo basis. You don't have something to trade, they won't talk to you. It's like a quasi-currency people use to barter for illegal content. I've even seen some of the bigger sharers put their own watermark on content they have pirated and lose their shit when someone else uploads or shares it. They literally rant about all the "hard work" they went through and that they "don't appreciate others stealing their work" for all that content they pirated. Unreal.
It is a job as much as any other business. I had to give up another job in order to be able to carry on producing vids and I'm sure I'm not the first. The fact that it's a fun job is just a bonus.
...and people do pay for it, a lot of people actually, otherwise none of us would be in business. It's just people like you that don't pay for it and feel that you should be gifted with content paid for by actual customers (who probably also have jobs). The bigger problem is people who make money out of running pirate sites which are reliant on credit card fraud and low quality rips from pornhub etc to prop themselves up. Aside from the fact that they are actually stealing money from unsuspecting people, they profit financially from the stolen content and have the effect of driving overall sales down. This means more money goes to people who produce nothing and there is less income available to people actually making clips - amateurs and professionals alike.
There is a general misconception in this thread that it's not possible to make money from producing videos, or that you can't earn a living from it. You can - that is why porn exists in all its forms. Like many of the more established studios I can cope with the hit on my sales because I have enough loyal customers to keep me in business, but that doesn't make it ok. It still affects what I produce, how I sell my future content and which models I'm prepared to spend money on again. It's actually the smaller, newer studios which really struggle though because they are not making enough to start with. When that happens they shut down and there are less people to bring fresh content and ideas, less choice and in the future there will be less 'free porn' for you to search out. You may not care about that right now but people are always disappointed when their favourite studios shut down - many people were gutted when Tickle Central decided to jack it in, for example. This is a very niche fetish, catered for by a small number of providers. Some of us can remember a time when there were hardly any at all.
This also affects amateurs. For those who talk about how much great amateur content there is out there, it's worth bearing in mind that they all go the same way when they find their clips on pornhub or see others trying to make money out of their efforts. Nobody likes being ripped off but sometimes you have to spend time actually making something or paying for it to appreciate that.
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This thread is fascinating. Leaving aside the vitriol, this thread has everything facing the commercial market of tickling today.
Starting with the Original Poster, Ms. Sage, expresses her rage and frustration and anguish at the economics of the situation. She and other posters, including Mr. Laughing Gas Zone, tell the story of the trouble faced by the other side of the market—the producers.
Though arising from some dubious sources, this thread also looks at a perceived decline in the quality of tickling productions. This argument is, in turn, debated and considered. One of the more insightful posts asserted that quality is not the issue, but innovation—the idea that producers need to constantly innovate because even amateur productions can easily achieve good quality with modern camera and computer technology.
We are asked to consider the cost of businesses and the willingness of the consumer to do the right thing. The cost of models and the usefulness of different distribution models are all implicated.
Some people, both consumer-side and producer-side, even suggest that (by and large) tickling is not a big enough market to support production as a full-time gig. There is the concomitant suggestions that the very largest producers produce so much (quantity over quality) that their product is not as good or as artful as other stuff.
Worse yet, some of the long time mainstays of this board, and indeed this community, suggest that the community is dying or dead. I think we first have to decide what we are. Are we a community, a market, a science, an art?
Niche
Tickling is surprisingly niche. For a simple activity that any couple can do, without any special equipment, it is surprisingly insular. Other fetishes seem to integrate better into the “mainstream” of kink and bdsm. Even though there are those who despise pain, and those who can’t get off without it, both categories fit comfortably into chatrooms, social networks, major motion pictures, and conventions under a general kink or bondage umbrella.
Even amongst ourselves, the tickling community the subdivisions have a surprisingly little amount of cross-over. While we could all list the top 100 tickle models and come up with lists that are at least familiar and overlap perhaps 45%, the divergence is amazing. There are those who want the girl next door, low-budget, low-tech, videos with laughters—the kind they can dream of being in or doing themselves (kudos to those who do). There are also people who love the written stories. There are some who absolutely adore great big stocks and pillories and medieval dress, plots and atmosphere. The discussions over gag, no-gag, or the quality of laughter, or discussions over genuinely tickling models here are endless. There are even those who see tickling without bondage as pointless or tickling without orgasms as dull. Within this general tickling umbrella we’ve (by and large) absorbed much, but not all, of the foot fetish folks. The exhibitionist folks love the feet outdoors scenes, like Priya on the train. Even the bastinado/falaka individuals and the footjob folks have found a home within this general tickling umbrella. Even those (*shudder*) nylon folks are welcome here.
As a community our tastes have come and gone. I’d even be prepared to say that we are a more diverse and more mature community than the larger bdsm culture. There are still people on this forum who long for Priscilla James. Curious newcomers occasionally pose questions about Kujman’s works and are introduced to disagreements of long-standing. The Tickling Paradise clips quality may not have held up as well, but the nostalgia is amazing. There is even the occasional post asking if Tommy from TickleAbuse still runs an accompanying dungeon. Or where Futzkisser went. Or how Harmony Concepts is still doing. Or about Mr. Darke or Laughing Gas Zone. Or when that bald fellow from Denmark (Cloudgazer) went. Or Papi and Meka. Or if Green Monster and Zen Tickling are going continue working their way into the big leagues with their charming slant on things.
While we have our favorite models it appears, from the outside perspective, that very few can live off of producing tickling only. I also follow the general currents of fetish models and am always thrilled when one of them migrates into our little fiefdom to do a tickling video. Though they are bondage names, almost all of the biggest fetish model names started with tickling. And those that left it behind leave us small and highly valued clips. You know the rosters: Ashley Renee, Jasmine Sinclair, Loreli, Darla Crane, Stacy Burke, Viviana/Gabriella, Akira Lane, Jenni Czech, Jewell Marceau, Sophia Smith, Angelina Elise, Jasmine Mendez, Goldie Blair, Summer Cummings ,… Or names a little further out of reach like Alexis Taylor, Priscilla James, Sadie Atkins, Priya, Gloria Reyes, Kelsie Chambers, Andrea Neal, Dorothy Lane, Kelly Ashton.
I also find it a matter of great comfort that, once in a blue moon, these bigger fetish model names to a swing through our little corner. Normally they are met (so far as I know) with rousing cheers and, hopefully, successful financial renumeration. That we remember who they are (aided by the search engine or not) is significant. But then they continue on their way.
It is amazing to see great names like Danielle Trixie and Stacy Burke out there barely getting by. And if some of the best of the models are barely getting by, then can our poor producers possibly be doing any better? As for the maturity of our community as a commercial market, just look at the story of Megan Jones who was shunned after her initial difficulties, but has since slowly been making her way back.
Although it is easy to trash those who are attempting to professionalize—making it a business with a larger output. Maybe they are not as in touch with “the art” as our smaller and more intimate entrepreneurs working in garages and hotel rooms. But every community must have its Fords and its Ferraris as well as its Honda and its Toyotas.
We are, at once, a large community supporting its very own conferences like NEST and a small backwater which cannot support a clique of full-time professional models. But much talent does migrate through our little ‘burg and there are success stories of models making in our midst who go on to larger thing (a category into which I felt justified placing Ms. Sage). A look at the personals page will show the significant demand for tickling, particularly those poor females who are immediately pounced on. The larger dungeons all support and allow tickling, such as Fetish Fortress, the Dominion, Iron Gates, Sanctuary, Wicked Eden, and Pandora’s Box. In many cases, there are beautiful Dommes who will not submit for anything e/x tickling.
Producers
For our producers, there is largely happy news. The average consumer will prefer to do things legally than not and will even pay a premium to be on the right side of the law. As hard as it is to believe, Aristotle’s observation that human nature is generally bent toward doing the right thing is correct. Take for example, the so-called voluntary compliance rate (VCR) which is the percentage of individuals who voluntary and on-time perform their favorite act of paying Uncle Sam. The IRS indicates that the percentage of voluntary compliance for the filing and paying of taxes is high. This rate has remained upwards of 80% for decades.
1985: 83.6 %
1992: 84.3%
1998: 84.6%
2001: 83.7%
2006: 83.1%
2010: 81.7%
If the average individual consumer will, mostly, cough up for Uncle Sam it should not be hard to get consumers to pay for something they want.
Going back to our lack of large producers, to serve as the cornerstones of the tickling commercial market, none of the smallest producers have the will, time, or resources to use the enforcement mechanisms and legal remedies available to them. DMCA complaints and legal infringement or piracy cases are time-consuming at best and only the bigger producers have the resources to use them. Further complicating this is the persistent stigma attached to the fetish community, such that there are no fetish lawyers or copyright companies. Someone suggested that restricting sale by country would help and that certainly is feasible, but I do not know how expensive it us. The large Hollywood production companies were losing huge amounts of money before they accepts some realities of the market and changed their approach. With the advent of Netflix, Amazon streaming video, and their competitors making it easy and (relatively) cheap put a huge dent in the illegal pirated movie market.
But even Kink.com is folding. If we could, as a community, put our heads together to come up with ideas—democracies have ways of producing better and well-thought out ideas. Netflix and others used streaming videos as their solution—which has already been suggested—but again I do not know the costs. The Tickling Forum Premium wasn’t a bad idea—but maybe it should be a streaming service made available at a pro rata cost. The trick of the Netflix/Amazon solution is to lower barriers—but the instinctive nature of producers under economic attack, like Ms. Sage, is to raise the rampart high. Nor can you blame them for that response because it took even the Hollywood movie industry the better part of a decade to agree on the idea, thereby making it safe for all the producers. Like an arms race where everyone is afraid to lower their weapon first.
If we are simply an art, with a lackluster bunch of admirers, than our artists will suffer and art of good quality will be few and far between.
I suspect that a large part of the problem is the surprising lack of legitimacy of the tickling community with the larger kink community and the whole mainstream. Stories about the starkness of a commitment to the fetish community, by models and producers, are spilled black across the pages of this forum.
I do whole-heartedly encourage those who do this as a hobby, and hope they make a profit to do so. I promise that I’ve contributed my share for what I use and enjoy. However I think we should organize our producers into a sustainable market force so they can survive and thrive. If we can’t increase their profits maybe we can lower their costs. There are a lot of bright people with ideas on this forum, lets tackle this problem together. It also certainly wouldn’t hurt to talk to larger and foreign producers like Czech Tickling, French Tickling, UK Tickling, and FoToRo to see how they have handled these challenges.
Starting with the Original Poster, Ms. Sage, expresses her rage and frustration and anguish at the economics of the situation. She and other posters, including Mr. Laughing Gas Zone, tell the story of the trouble faced by the other side of the market—the producers.
Though arising from some dubious sources, this thread also looks at a perceived decline in the quality of tickling productions. This argument is, in turn, debated and considered. One of the more insightful posts asserted that quality is not the issue, but innovation—the idea that producers need to constantly innovate because even amateur productions can easily achieve good quality with modern camera and computer technology.
We are asked to consider the cost of businesses and the willingness of the consumer to do the right thing. The cost of models and the usefulness of different distribution models are all implicated.
Some people, both consumer-side and producer-side, even suggest that (by and large) tickling is not a big enough market to support production as a full-time gig. There is the concomitant suggestions that the very largest producers produce so much (quantity over quality) that their product is not as good or as artful as other stuff.
Worse yet, some of the long time mainstays of this board, and indeed this community, suggest that the community is dying or dead. I think we first have to decide what we are. Are we a community, a market, a science, an art?
Niche
Tickling is surprisingly niche. For a simple activity that any couple can do, without any special equipment, it is surprisingly insular. Other fetishes seem to integrate better into the “mainstream” of kink and bdsm. Even though there are those who despise pain, and those who can’t get off without it, both categories fit comfortably into chatrooms, social networks, major motion pictures, and conventions under a general kink or bondage umbrella.
Even amongst ourselves, the tickling community the subdivisions have a surprisingly little amount of cross-over. While we could all list the top 100 tickle models and come up with lists that are at least familiar and overlap perhaps 45%, the divergence is amazing. There are those who want the girl next door, low-budget, low-tech, videos with laughters—the kind they can dream of being in or doing themselves (kudos to those who do). There are also people who love the written stories. There are some who absolutely adore great big stocks and pillories and medieval dress, plots and atmosphere. The discussions over gag, no-gag, or the quality of laughter, or discussions over genuinely tickling models here are endless. There are even those who see tickling without bondage as pointless or tickling without orgasms as dull. Within this general tickling umbrella we’ve (by and large) absorbed much, but not all, of the foot fetish folks. The exhibitionist folks love the feet outdoors scenes, like Priya on the train. Even the bastinado/falaka individuals and the footjob folks have found a home within this general tickling umbrella. Even those (*shudder*) nylon folks are welcome here.
As a community our tastes have come and gone. I’d even be prepared to say that we are a more diverse and more mature community than the larger bdsm culture. There are still people on this forum who long for Priscilla James. Curious newcomers occasionally pose questions about Kujman’s works and are introduced to disagreements of long-standing. The Tickling Paradise clips quality may not have held up as well, but the nostalgia is amazing. There is even the occasional post asking if Tommy from TickleAbuse still runs an accompanying dungeon. Or where Futzkisser went. Or how Harmony Concepts is still doing. Or about Mr. Darke or Laughing Gas Zone. Or when that bald fellow from Denmark (Cloudgazer) went. Or Papi and Meka. Or if Green Monster and Zen Tickling are going continue working their way into the big leagues with their charming slant on things.
While we have our favorite models it appears, from the outside perspective, that very few can live off of producing tickling only. I also follow the general currents of fetish models and am always thrilled when one of them migrates into our little fiefdom to do a tickling video. Though they are bondage names, almost all of the biggest fetish model names started with tickling. And those that left it behind leave us small and highly valued clips. You know the rosters: Ashley Renee, Jasmine Sinclair, Loreli, Darla Crane, Stacy Burke, Viviana/Gabriella, Akira Lane, Jenni Czech, Jewell Marceau, Sophia Smith, Angelina Elise, Jasmine Mendez, Goldie Blair, Summer Cummings ,… Or names a little further out of reach like Alexis Taylor, Priscilla James, Sadie Atkins, Priya, Gloria Reyes, Kelsie Chambers, Andrea Neal, Dorothy Lane, Kelly Ashton.
I also find it a matter of great comfort that, once in a blue moon, these bigger fetish model names to a swing through our little corner. Normally they are met (so far as I know) with rousing cheers and, hopefully, successful financial renumeration. That we remember who they are (aided by the search engine or not) is significant. But then they continue on their way.
It is amazing to see great names like Danielle Trixie and Stacy Burke out there barely getting by. And if some of the best of the models are barely getting by, then can our poor producers possibly be doing any better? As for the maturity of our community as a commercial market, just look at the story of Megan Jones who was shunned after her initial difficulties, but has since slowly been making her way back.
Although it is easy to trash those who are attempting to professionalize—making it a business with a larger output. Maybe they are not as in touch with “the art” as our smaller and more intimate entrepreneurs working in garages and hotel rooms. But every community must have its Fords and its Ferraris as well as its Honda and its Toyotas.
We are, at once, a large community supporting its very own conferences like NEST and a small backwater which cannot support a clique of full-time professional models. But much talent does migrate through our little ‘burg and there are success stories of models making in our midst who go on to larger thing (a category into which I felt justified placing Ms. Sage). A look at the personals page will show the significant demand for tickling, particularly those poor females who are immediately pounced on. The larger dungeons all support and allow tickling, such as Fetish Fortress, the Dominion, Iron Gates, Sanctuary, Wicked Eden, and Pandora’s Box. In many cases, there are beautiful Dommes who will not submit for anything e/x tickling.
Producers
For our producers, there is largely happy news. The average consumer will prefer to do things legally than not and will even pay a premium to be on the right side of the law. As hard as it is to believe, Aristotle’s observation that human nature is generally bent toward doing the right thing is correct. Take for example, the so-called voluntary compliance rate (VCR) which is the percentage of individuals who voluntary and on-time perform their favorite act of paying Uncle Sam. The IRS indicates that the percentage of voluntary compliance for the filing and paying of taxes is high. This rate has remained upwards of 80% for decades.
1985: 83.6 %
1992: 84.3%
1998: 84.6%
2001: 83.7%
2006: 83.1%
2010: 81.7%
If the average individual consumer will, mostly, cough up for Uncle Sam it should not be hard to get consumers to pay for something they want.
Going back to our lack of large producers, to serve as the cornerstones of the tickling commercial market, none of the smallest producers have the will, time, or resources to use the enforcement mechanisms and legal remedies available to them. DMCA complaints and legal infringement or piracy cases are time-consuming at best and only the bigger producers have the resources to use them. Further complicating this is the persistent stigma attached to the fetish community, such that there are no fetish lawyers or copyright companies. Someone suggested that restricting sale by country would help and that certainly is feasible, but I do not know how expensive it us. The large Hollywood production companies were losing huge amounts of money before they accepts some realities of the market and changed their approach. With the advent of Netflix, Amazon streaming video, and their competitors making it easy and (relatively) cheap put a huge dent in the illegal pirated movie market.
But even Kink.com is folding. If we could, as a community, put our heads together to come up with ideas—democracies have ways of producing better and well-thought out ideas. Netflix and others used streaming videos as their solution—which has already been suggested—but again I do not know the costs. The Tickling Forum Premium wasn’t a bad idea—but maybe it should be a streaming service made available at a pro rata cost. The trick of the Netflix/Amazon solution is to lower barriers—but the instinctive nature of producers under economic attack, like Ms. Sage, is to raise the rampart high. Nor can you blame them for that response because it took even the Hollywood movie industry the better part of a decade to agree on the idea, thereby making it safe for all the producers. Like an arms race where everyone is afraid to lower their weapon first.
If we are simply an art, with a lackluster bunch of admirers, than our artists will suffer and art of good quality will be few and far between.
I suspect that a large part of the problem is the surprising lack of legitimacy of the tickling community with the larger kink community and the whole mainstream. Stories about the starkness of a commitment to the fetish community, by models and producers, are spilled black across the pages of this forum.
I do whole-heartedly encourage those who do this as a hobby, and hope they make a profit to do so. I promise that I’ve contributed my share for what I use and enjoy. However I think we should organize our producers into a sustainable market force so they can survive and thrive. If we can’t increase their profits maybe we can lower their costs. There are a lot of bright people with ideas on this forum, lets tackle this problem together. It also certainly wouldn’t hurt to talk to larger and foreign producers like Czech Tickling, French Tickling, UK Tickling, and FoToRo to see how they have handled these challenges.
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This thread is long and I wanted to partake because I think I hold an outlying opinion that I wanted to defend, but then I clicked a random page and saw this quote. I love it.
I'll refrain from commenting and derailing further, I don't think I'll have time to go over all of the posts and I don't necessarily want to spout nonsense until I have. Back to seclusion.
*I started to read the post above me, because it wasn't there when I went to put this up. Good post, lots of thoughtfulness and insight which I guess is scattered in the thread. Ill get to it someday.
Yes, some videos and some companies are not reaching the same quality and consistency as others, but across the board the medium is still far better than the highest end content of the early days (real tickling, tickling paradise), so maybe my experience is giving me a different viewpoint.
As for the community dying, I don't believe so. We're growing older and busier for sure, and maybe we're not acquiring or maintaining new blood? That's a hard to measure metric given the ease of which one can obscure one's information. Mostly, I think the 'community' is splintering off quite a bit, between deviantart, fetlife and probably some other locations I don't know about, giving the impression of community death. Of course, that depends on what you consider the community and what you consider dying, I guess. Ahh, I'm late, farewell.
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Are you seriously saying that there aren't people who post non-professional tickling videos online? Listen I understand you're trying to defend your bottom line but this is the real world. You won't stop the pirates, either learn to live with them or don't. If you don't and take your ball and go home, there will always be someone to take your place. It's the nature of business, you're just angry that you've made this your livelihood and don't like that it's affecting you, but like we saw in the music industry, decrying the immorality and angrily lashing out at everyone who disagrees with you only makes you look bad and the pirates and people who post tickling videos for fun will continue doing so unperturbed. I'm not making a judgment on it good or bad, I'm merely saying that's the way things are.
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No, read what I said. There aren't "many". Most of the producers are charging for their content. That is the difference between professionals and amateurs.
Second, I'm going to let your comments slide because this thread is 18 pages deep and you probably skimmed. I have stated that I accept piracy is here to stay and that businesses come and go. That does not mean that there are not effective ways to limit piracy on your own product. We've been doing this longer than some of the people on this board have been alive. I think we kinda know what we're doing. And finally, don't say your not making a judgment, when you absolutely are making a judgement on me and other producers for having a beef with pirates. By your words we should just sit back, shut up and be happy we're still around. I don't think so.
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No, read what I said. There aren't "many". Most of the producers are charging for their content. That is the difference between professionals and amateurs.
Second, I'm going to let your comments slide because this thread is 18 pages deep and you probably skimmed. I have stated that I accept piracy is here to stay and that businesses come and go. That does not mean that there are not effective ways to limit piracy on your own product. We've been doing this longer than some of the people on this board have been alive. I think we kinda know what we're doing. And finally, don't say your not making a judgment, when you absolutely are making a judgement on me and other producers for having a beef with pirates. By your words we should just sit back, shut up and be happy we're still around. I don't think so.
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The angry and toothless condescension really isn't helping your case here. I didn't make a judgment and your rabid inferences don't help either. You're more than free to try to protect your product however you like, but getting mad isn't going to solve your problem, if anything it's going to make things worse. The immature lashing out by a number of the models and producers on this thread make me and I'm sure a number of other consumers less likely to want to help you guys out. You're only hurting yourself and not actually solving the problem.
So, what's your solution?
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I'm not the one with the problem, I'm not the one to come up with the solution. All I'm saying is that getting angry and complaining doesn't help fix the problem.
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Words of the apologist. People like you are not going to help us. I know your type, you all parrot the same bullshit. Early 20 something that thinks they know how the world works. You sit comfortably on the side lines and allow the status quo because "that's the way it is." This is why many of us rant. It's a healthy catharsis. We know you're not going to listen. Try producing something of your own and have people pirate it regularly and then come talk to me. I've dealt with your kind and a few of you have become producers. When you feel the bite of piracy, your tune changes and suddenly you are crying like bitches.
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He just likes to lay down some knowledge. He has no solutions, just criticisms.
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Oh good, more angry, impotent condescension. Ranting only makes you look angrier and makes people less likely to want to help you out. Your problems are not my problems and mine are not yours, but the market I'm in does not rely on an easily reproduced medium catering to a niche audience that competes with people who put up similar videos for fun and for free. You're admitting that the only reason that you're angry is because it affects you personally, but no one forced you into this market, you decided to do it yourself. Now that you're in, you can either do what you can to protect what you make or not. If you're unhappy with it, do something about it. Getting mad does nothing but make you come off as immature.
Most of us are doing something about it, but anyone who's business is affected by piracy has every right to rant about it once in a while. It seems bizarre to enter a thread like this and then complain that a producer should dare to be pissed off about having their stuff stolen. For many of us, myself included, it is the scale of piracy that is the problem not that it exists at all. I can ignore a couple of my clips appearing on pirate sites but when people upload hundreds or even thousands of your clips, edit them, change the titles etc, it is a problem. Since there isn't a magic bullet, the only solutions at the minute are to scale down, raise costs and take down pirated content wherever we find it.
You mentioned the music industry earlier but they respond to piracy by paying corporate legal firms large sums of money to work around the clock and take down copyrighted content wherever they find it. They will also occasionally try to make an example by filing huge lawsuits against individual downloaders. They certainly don't smile politely and get on with it, and they make a lot more money than your average tickling site. If you think their attitude has softened in any way, just try uploading anything owned by Sony to Youtube and see how long it stays there.
Also, with regard to competing against people posting similar content for fun and for free, we really aren't. Firstly, that is a quite different market and people tend to seek out clips according to their varied personal tastes - hence Producer A does not lose customers if Joe Bloggs posts a clip of him tickling his girlfriend as they are quite different. Secondly, as LGZ pointed out, there is very little actual amateur content posted for free (scour the vids section on here and see how much you can turn up). Most amateur couples or individuals will post a couple of free clips and after gaining some interest, will decide to open a store and start selling it. Where amateur content does turn up for free, it has often been pirated already...it's just that people don't always realise that. You will often find contributors on here who decide to stop posting personal clips or artwork because they find it posted elsewhere without their permission.
laughinggaszone
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The guy is an idiot. He can join the mook who chimed in a few pages back with the same story. He thinks he's insulated because he's part of an industry that isn't affected by digital piracy. But as technology continues to overtake more and more sectors, the chances of him being personally affected increase. And if it doesn't happen to him, it will happen to someone he cares about(I'm assuming he actually cares or will care about someone). Then he can tell his partner or his kid or someone else important to him that "it's just the way things are" and "it's not my problem".
Comfort Eagle
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I'm noticing a lot of you people, here and elsewhere, have this bizarre "Aww, what are ya gonna do?! Gonna quit?!?! C'mon, fucking quit, I dare ya. Quit!!!" response to everything being said.
Gonna take a shot in the dark here... do you have strong feelings about "saturation" with your tickle porn?
Mavran3
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Gotta say, lots of anger from people who aren't making lots of money from the profession they've chosen. I'm not daring people to quit, but if they're that annoyed by these problems then they're in the wrong industry. I don't have strong feelings about anything in my porn. Often times I prefer the amateur stuff anyway. But it's funny how you're all trying to make it seem like it's the problem of people who won't pay you for stuff they get for free anyway... But that's the peril of getting into a business catering to a niche and competing with people who give it away for free. People are under no obligation to pay you, if they want to, it's their choice. Piracy is going to happen, people are going to watch the pirated flicks. It's the nature of the beast. And calling me an idiot or pitifully attempting to insult me isn't going to increase your profits. You're denying the real world and acting like the people telling you the truth you don't want to hear are the bad guys. We're not, you're taking it out on us because you're mad and it's honestly immature and fruitless.
Comfort Eagle
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Well you see, stupid, is that they're not supposed to be "giving it away for free", is the thing. In order to get it legally they are under obligation to get it. Like in the midst of all these "hard truths" you're laying down? You're really just going "But I am gonna post it wherever I feel like, I don't understand the problem!"
Like don't get anyone wrong, I think everyone is very much in the know that "in the real world", bottom feeder shitstains like yourself are just going to gleefully go "Nope! Gonna take that shit and upload it wherever I see fit!". They're just explaining to you why it's not very productive in order to keep making more of it.
You're not breaking new ground or shaking anyones worldview, we'll all aware dead-eyed cretins like yourself will continue to be human garbage with great joy. It's just that maybe....not be dogshit every so often?
Mavran3
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Man, just so much pent up aggression at someone who's never illegally "uploaded" anything in his life. Nice pathetic attempt at spreading a lie though! It's not that I don't understand the problem, it's that it's not a problem that can be solved how you want it to. Can you take the energy from this temper tantrum and bring it elsewhere, like investing it in your business? Of course not, you'd rather throw impotent insults at me because you think that I pirate stuff and post it online, which couldn't be further from the truth. Seriously this is not helping you, grow up please and get out of denial.
I notice you specified you never illegally uploaded...but didn't mention downloading.
As for anger, I don't have any, since I'm not a producer.
But you sure actlike you want to piss people off.
laughinggaszone
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So, tell us how honest you are. You haven't "uploaded anything" in your life. How much illegal content have you downloaded? It's largely rhetorical, because
I don't really care. You're a troll and I'm done with you. You're right about one thing, you are most definitely a waste of energy.
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