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Please help. Piracy is wrong. It is killing us. We aren't rich like you think.

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laughinggaszone said:
That's a topic for another discussion.
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It is and it aint. Economics is economics. If the economic model doesn't provide enough capital and resources to compensate the producers of a particular good or service then it will invariably lead to lower quality, shortage, or scarcity. That's with tickle fetish clips, steel, or health care.
 
duderino84 said:
That's the thing; if she actually wanted fans she'd treat everyone like one. You know, customer service. Instead of ranting.

Doesn't sound real to me. ...you think any of this dialogue sounds real or sincere? I'll be perfectly real right here: being an artist in any form involves taking a loss.
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Begging the burglar who takes your inventory to please give it back or pay for something isn't customer service.
 
Palad said:
It is and it aint. Economics is economics. If the economic model doesn't provide enough capital and resources to compensate the producers of a particular good or service then it will invariably lead to lower quality, shortage, or scarcity. That's with tickle fetish clips, steel, or health care.
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I just wasn't interested in derailing the topic into a tangent.
 
Well I think we can all agree that for everyone bitching about "saturation" of tickle companies over the past few years, with this new "Maybe just make it for us for free?" movement we'll almost certainly see a plummet in that. Good news for everyone! Less content!
 
Palad said:
Begging the burglar who takes your inventory to please give it back or pay for something isn't customer service.
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So, this thread isn't meant to appeal to her "fans", because she's apparently not insulting her "real fans" because we can safely presume that they wouldn't pirate her materials...but it isn't meant to appeal to pirates, either, because doing so would be stupid as you've suggested and insult or not, they likely wouldn't care anyway...

So just who is this thread meant for, the wall she's banging her head against? It has to be intended for some audience, but if it isn't her fans and it isn't her pirates, I'm at a loss as to why this thread is here. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
 
laughinggaszone said:
I just wasn't interested in derailing the topic into a tangent.
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I get where you're coming from and I wasn't intending to make it a marxx vs. Hyek discussion. I am just pointing out the economics that affect this niche. I may be wrong, i'm just guessing but in the larger general areas of adult entertainment, the number of dollars is so big that if only 15% of patrons are paying customers there's still a lot of money out there.

In our case we are dealing with a truncated pool of potential consumers. That means that in my estimation we have to over perform as a group of consumers to ensure that our sector of adult entertainment is profitable to keep up with demand.

Piracy creates a distortion in our market that makes goods artificially cheap (or free) and doesn't allow capital to make it to the producers that are making goods that we want like and need. Either a.) we follow the OP and are intentional about compensating the producers that we watch or b.) accept the idea that we will have less variety moving forward.

Turtleboy is already having to change his business model to protect against piracy, Darke just closed his store, tommy is talking about closing down his subscriptions, Tickle intensive has slowed their production to a near crawl, Czech tickling seems to have slowed down their production.

In the short term it's easy for some people to think that "hell, pornhub will always be there" but in reality, pornhub exists as an excess of the crawl at the top of our screen (new content created). If you cut off the supply of new content how long would it take the average CONSUMER to run through the majority of OUR material? a few months. Not to mention the fact that over time as technology increases older clips are less and less appealing. Try looking at a clip from 5 years ago, let alone 10.

I'm not here to try and make it seem like I am perfect. I'm not. But I have invested thousands of dollars over the years to support the people that underwrite our community. Everyone may not have 200 a month to pay for every clip that comes across the crawl, but everyone has 10 bucks to look out for a favorite.
 
OSUchamps said:
So, this thread isn't meant to appeal to her "fans", because she's apparently not insulting her "real fans" because we can safely presume that they wouldn't pirate her materials...but it isn't meant to appeal to pirates, either, because doing so would be stupid as you've suggested and insult or not, they likely wouldn't care anyway...

So just who is this thread meant for, the wall she's banging her head against? It has to be intended for some audience, but if it isn't her fans and it isn't her pirates, I'm at a loss as to why this thread is here. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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The reachable. Read through. There are a lot of people who just took free stuff for granted that think it makes more sense to help out. I think that helps. What would you have her do? Just keep making stuff for free investing her time and money and shut the fuck up about it? Jesus, you Buckeye fans!
 
OSUchamps said:
So, this thread isn't meant to appeal to her "fans", because she's apparently not insulting her "real fans" because we can safely presume that they wouldn't pirate her materials...but it isn't meant to appeal to pirates, either, because doing so would be stupid as you've suggested and insult or not, they likely wouldn't care anyway...

So just who is this thread meant for, the wall she's banging her head against? It has to be intended for some audience, but if it isn't her fans and it isn't her pirates, I'm at a loss as to why this thread is here. Perhaps you can enlighten me.
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Sure...it's for her fans, who, after hearing that she and other producers are actively losing money, might think twice about pirating materials or patronizing websites that do.
I'm sure plenty of people who call themselves fans of a producer or studio have done so, she and others are just making the case that it actually is harmful to them.
 
I think what we've learned here is that it's not really about "piracy" so much as it's a "Holy shit the entire demographic are literal manbabies and the worst possible people to deal with ever for any reason" problem.
 
Comfort Eagle said:
I think what we've learned here is that it's not really about "piracy" so much as it's a "Holy shit the entire demographic are literal manbabies and the worst possible people to deal with ever for any reason" problem.
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LOL, right on.

But on a more serious note, I'm just dumbfounded that people can bring themselves to type that they won't watch pirated fetish clips after reading this thread. Just think about how this sounds: "I'm not going to watch a free porn clip that's available at xxx.com, i'm going to pay for it". I would love if that were the case. But let's be real. The solution to piracy is never going to be the moral epiphany of fetish video viewers.

I don't have a solution to offer. Nobody has, and nobody will. But what I would like is to drive the conversation towards is how can producers make more money in spite of piracy. Now, some might say direct sales, others raising the prices. Let's gear the conversation towards a place that can actually yield results for the producers.
 
Park CollegeO said:
LOL, right on.

But on a more serious note, I'm just dumbfounded that people can bring themselves to type that they won't watch pirated fetish clips after reading this thread. Just think about how this sounds: "I'm not going to watch a free porn clip that's available at xxx.com, i'm going to pay for it". I would love if that were the case. But let's be real. The solution to piracy is never going to be the moral epiphany of fetish video viewers.

I don't have a solution to offer. Nobody has, and nobody will. But what I would like is to drive the conversation towards is how can producers make more money in spite of piracy. Now, some might say direct sales, others raising the prices. Let's gear the conversation towards a place that can actually yield results for the producers.
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Its in our interest for this sector of adult entertainment to be profitable.

Also, a lot if the producers here are attempting to modify their business models with exclusive/premium content customs etc.
 
Wolf said:
Sure...it's for her fans, who, after hearing that she and other producers are actively losing money, might think twice about pirating materials or patronizing websites that do.
I'm sure plenty of people who call themselves fans of a producer or studio have done so, she and others are just making the case that it actually is harmful to them.
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Isn't this the same "nobody wants to hear about your problems" genre of posting that's already been frequently discouraged here? See? It goes both ways.

Palad said:
Begging the burglar who takes your inventory to please give it back or pay for something isn't customer service.
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On the other hand anyone that read her thread not knowing who she was, what she produced, or how popular she was, wouldn't give a shit and would be further dissuaded from purchasing from her.

Comfort Eagle said:
I think what we've learned here is that it's not really about "piracy" so much as it's a "Holy shit the entire demographic are literal manbabies and the worst possible people to deal with ever for any reason" problem.
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Sounds like a personal problem. ....
 
laughinggaszone said:
No, what you're asking us to do...what you are asking everyone to do...is subscribe to low expectations. This is simply an excuse for you and those like you to get yours for free. No one is holding a gun to your head, telling you to pirate. Contrary to what your dick thinks, phap material isn't necessary to life. You try to deflect by saying everyone does it. I'm just human. No, everyone doesn't do it and even if we subscribed to that idea, not everyone does it with the reckless abandon you find when it comes to porn. You and your ilk make excuse after excuse for why you should continue to do something that you admit is fundamentally wrong. You're a moral coward.
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Whatever. Best of luck to you.
 
Park CollegeO said:
LOL, right on.

But on a more serious note, I'm just dumbfounded that people can bring themselves to type that they won't watch pirated fetish clips after reading this thread. Just think about how this sounds: "I'm not going to watch a free porn clip that's available at xxx.com, i'm going to pay for it". I would love if that were the case. But let's be real. The solution to piracy is never going to be the moral epiphany of fetish video viewers.

I don't have a solution to offer. Nobody has, and nobody will. But what I would like is to drive the conversation towards is how can producers make more money in spite of piracy. Now, some might say direct sales, others raising the prices. Let's gear the conversation towards a place that can actually yield results for the producers.
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Palad said:
Its in our interest for this sector of adult entertainment to be profitable.

Also, a lot if the producers here are attempting to modify their business models with exclusive/premium content customs etc.
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As it should be. Money is sexy.
 
Unfortunately the people that do this are selfish at their core and don't really care about the broader impact it has. For example, it damages the models image and impedes privacy, harms the company who made it and eventually leads to less innovation and less content...it's circular and touches many. Such people need to be held accountable!
 
Darth Sidious said:
Unfortunately the people that do this are selfish at their core and don't really care about the broader impact it has. For example, it damages the models image and impedes privacy, harms the company who made it and eventually leads to less innovation and less content...it's circular and touches many. Such people need to be held accountable!
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It's not as black and white as you make it out to be. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of people who watch pirated content have also purchased clips. Does that negate all the dollars they have spent on clips? So when they were buying clips they were great people, but once they found a clip on pornhub or any other site and watched it, they're bastards?
 
I'm referring to the individual who knowingly chooses to take a work and then publish/share it. Yes, that IS black and white... what they are doing is wrong, no gray area for that act. They have no right to do that. Those are the people who need to be held accountable and to whom my previous argument was directed towards. Those individuals simply don't care and it would make them selfish bastards for the reasons stated previously.

Park CollegeO said:
It's not as black and white as you make it out to be. I'd be willing to bet that the majority of people who watch pirated content have also purchased clips. Does that negate all the dollars they have spent on clips? So when they were buying clips they were great people, but once they found a clip on pornhub or any other site and watched it, they're bastards?
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@DS 100% agreed on that end. People that monetize off other people's work are scum. Viewers aren't.
 
Park CollegeO said:
I'd be willing to bet that the majority of people who watch pirated content have also purchased clips.
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Possibly, but the ratio is undoubtedly flipped. They watch more pirated stuff than they buy...a lot more. It's just too easy and that is a big contributing factor
for why it happens.
 
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