Why are there so many tickling producers out there?

brotherted said:

Try four old, silk, men's neckties to tie a girl spread-eagle on a bed. Old neckties are soft and don't hurt her, but they're also completely strong.

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I've been using scarves since day one - and it's obviously not enough for you or we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Imagine my scenario, and a bondage model is tied up. Do you believe a quick swipe of the foot with an index finger, or a poke on the sides that literally lasts less than one second will brand you as a "rape guy"? One second? Then you ask her, "do you mind if I do a little tickling?"

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No. What will happen is that she'll most likely agree, because she's tied up in a stranger's apartment and doesn't know if a refusal will cause him to flip out and slit her throat. Then she may or may not ever work with you again depending on how she felt about it after the fact. You'll never know if her agreement was feigned enthusiasm out of self-preservation or a genuine desire to go there, because models are pretty good at putting on a front and humoring people. It's literally how they make their money. You also won't know if they start telling other models/producers not to work with you because you thought "after she was tied up and couldn't do anything about it" was the perfect time to push a boundary.

Not to mention that if she's not ticklish - or says no - then you've completely wasted a shoot, and the money involved. I don't know shit about making bondage videos, why would I set one up purely for a tickling ruse and then expect that the half-assed amateur bondage footage would then sell to anyone at all after the fact?

There's just literally no actual bondage model in America that would react to the scenario I've described, in the way you've described.

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How many of them have you actually worked with, or even spoken to? Because none of the ones I know would take "guy waited until I was tied up and did something we didn't agree on ahead of time" favorably, whether they jumped immediately to "rape guy" or not. When I first started hanging around these forums, before I'd even become a producer, I heard them talking about guys who did this stuff. They don't like it.

In fact, in the actual bondage video world, what I'm talking about, tickling and otherwise, happens all the time.

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I flat-out don't believe you, and I'd like to hear otherwise directly from those models themselves. Citing videos as "evidence" doesn't count, by the way, because all of that stuff is staged. If I had a dollar for every time a first-time model told me "I don't normally do foot fetish stuff, most of those guys are too creepy", I probably wouldn't be doing this for secondary income in the first place.

And regardless, you're implying that the only way to actually grow my business is to risk my reputation (at best) by pushing boundaries with the very people I need a good relationship with, because some members of this community get off on implied assault. No. Abso-fucking-lutely not. If that's what I have to do to get any money out of this business, I'd rather go back to writing apps.

Here's the thing, though; let's throw all of that away for a second. How many people do you see here on the TMF crying that not enough producers really go that extra mile assaulting their models on-camera? Not many, right? How many people do you see instead crying that no one gets "genuinely ticklish girls" who "actually enjoy it" instead of "the same twelve porn stars" who are "obviously just in it for the paycheck"? Tons, right? Every fucking day, "fakes and porn stars! waah! We want real girls!".

The real girls are out there. The "creativity" is out there. Y'all don't care. Period. I'll refrain from pointing out the irony in you asserting there's no innovation and then suggesting to me that the best way to grow my studio is to do more bondage with porn stars. (...or that if you actually stop to get their permission it's not actually a "surprised bondage model", either.)

As with so many other things, seems like porn is never as good as it is in your own head.

Oooooo interesting thread . Well heres why I did it.

I was going through a TERRIBLE divorce. Sucked ass and almost killed me :/. But I was always (and still during the divorce) SHOVELING girls to different fetish producers. I even sparked the relationship between Luna Vera and Tickle Abuse when I flew Luna to NY (she met my mom lmaooo super awkward). Tommy told me he wanted a bunch of Tickle Abuse studios out there all across the US. But I just told him I could bring him girls. Now I had been thinking of starting a business for money and to keep myself busy but then I met the really silly and confused Perla with Jenn. Thus began the Tickle Room. It was SO crazy to start. But to be honest I LOVED bringing the community new content and I had a HUGE following before I even dropped a clip. Thus began the Tickle Room. I think some of us really love this, some do it for money, and some do it to be fucking creepy. Regardless. Put your money where it matters. Put your money in the clips you love and the producers that matter. Thats what matters not how many there are.

SoleMates said:

I've been using scarves since day one - and it's obviously not enough for you or we wouldn't be having this conversation.



No. What will happen is that she'll most likely agree, because she's tied up in a stranger's apartment and doesn't know if a refusal will cause him to flip out and slit her throat. Then she may or may not ever work with you again depending on how she felt about it after the fact. You'll never know if her agreement was feigned enthusiasm out of self-preservation or a genuine desire to go there, because models are pretty good at putting on a front and humoring people. It's literally how they make their money. You also won't know if they start telling other models/producers not to work with you because you thought "after she was tied up and couldn't do anything about it" was the perfect time to push a boundary.

Not to mention that if she's not ticklish - or says no - then you've completely wasted a shoot, and the money involved. I don't know shit about making bondage videos, why would I set one up purely for a tickling ruse and then expect that the half-assed amateur bondage footage would then sell to anyone at all after the fact?



How many of them have you actually worked with, or even spoken to? Because none of the ones I know would take "guy waited until I was tied up and did something we didn't agree on ahead of time" favorably, whether they jumped immediately to "rape guy" or not. When I first started hanging around these forums, before I'd even become a producer, I heard them talking about guys who did this stuff. They don't like it.



I flat-out don't believe you, and I'd like to hear otherwise directly from those models themselves. Citing videos as "evidence" doesn't count, by the way, because all of that stuff is staged. If I had a dollar for every time a first-time model told me "I don't normally do foot fetish stuff, most of those guys are too creepy", I probably wouldn't be doing this for secondary income in the first place.

And regardless, you're implying that the only way to actually grow my business is to risk my reputation (at best) by pushing boundaries with the very people I need a good relationship with, because some members of this community get off on implied assault. No. Abso-fucking-lutely not. If that's what I have to do to get any money out of this business, I'd rather go back to writing apps.

Here's the thing, though; let's throw all of that away for a second. How many people do you see here on the TMF crying that not enough producers really go that extra mile assaulting their models on-camera? Not many, right? How many people do you see instead crying that no one gets "genuinely ticklish girls" who "actually enjoy it" instead of "the same twelve porn stars" who are "obviously just in it for the paycheck"? Tons, right? Every fucking day, "fakes and porn stars! waah! We want real girls!".

The real girls are out there. The "creativity" is out there. Y'all don't care. Period. I'll refrain from pointing out the irony in you asserting there's no innovation and then suggesting to me that the best way to grow my studio is to do more bondage with porn stars. (...or that if you actually stop to get their permission it's not actually a "surprised bondage model", either.)

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The only thing missing from this fan, fueled, fantasy is the model getting so hot and bothered from the tickling that she practically leaps off the bed and begs the guy to bang her ass.

SoleMates said:

I'll refrain from pointing out the irony in you asserting there's no innovation and then suggesting to me that the best way to grow my studio is to do more bondage with porn stars. (...or that if you actually stop to get their permission it's not actually a "surprised bondage model", either.)

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What? "Porn stars"? No -- I'm saying the exact opposite. Attractive girls-next-door. Where did you get that I want porn stars? In fact, I believe I described the influx of strippers and fetish model pros as a problem with many producers. I was saying you book attractive girls-next-door for a bondage shoot. (Not very different from booking attractive girls-next-door for a tickling shoot.) No porn stars. Attractive doesn't mean porn.

No irony. No contradiction. Not sure if you're not reading my posts carefully, or not bothering. You get permission for a bondage shoot. The "surprise" is the 1-second, 2-second or possibly heavens, maybe 3-second tickle touch. That's the extent of the surprise that you believe is tantamount to indictable felonious rapey assault, and that I say no model in the world would care at all about, if you then follow it up with asking her, "Are you okay?" You listen to her and respect her answer. Then if she expresses that she's cool -- continuing.

I've personally done this exact thing countless times with girls. It's true that after I tickle a girl with a poke, some percentage say, "Oh no, I hate to be tickled." I've never had a single one carry some kind of grudge or resentment toward me if that happens, and I don't continue -- because it's probably happened to them hundreds of times already in their lives. I simply don't understand how in your world, that one second tickle, followed by respecting her, leaves her with some kind of sense that she's been violated. I've just never seen this in real life, ever. Have you?

But again, I suspect we're not going to agree. Just again wanted to clarify what I was saying.

brotherted said:

I've personally done this exact thing countless times with girls. It's true that after I tickle a girl with a poke, some percentage say, "Oh no, I hate to be tickled." I've never had a single one carry some kind of grudge or resentment toward me if that happens, and I don't continue -- because it's probably happened to them hundreds of times already in their lives. I simply don't understand how in your world, that one second tickle, followed by respecting her, leaves her with some kind of sense that she's been violated. I've just never seen this in real life, ever. Have you?

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How many people on here do you think are going to pay money with bondage videos with quick poke and tickles?

First off yeah, there are a lot of people who would take great offense to being "poked" from out of nowhere, but even disregarding that you know full well what you were getting at before, and you trying to slide the conversation doesn't change the fact if you tie someone down and "surprise them", one of two things is going to happen;

1. you're only going to be allowed to get away with it for, literally, split seconds, and not that many times

2. you're going to be doing fullblowm, thrashing-style tickling on someone from out of nowhere, who didn't give you the go ahead.

No, dumbshit, nobody actually thinks that if you gently poke a women on her side that you'll be arrested on rape charges. That's also not remotely close to anything anybody said.

This really is about the endless quest for a "real non-consensual tickling video", isn't it?