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MaxSpeer

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I only made a handful of videos but every time I see one of mine appear on Youtube it gets me crazy. I do everything I can to send formal complaints to Youtube for its removal.
I know many of you have multiple videos and chasing down every one of them could be exhausting. But are you doing it to save your business? I don't really have a business since no one watches my old shit anymore. Jeff and I put in a lot of work to record these many years ago and it pisses me off when they are copied - as I am sure it drives you more successful companies crazy.
This trend of people creating fake accounts and posting and posting and reposting all of our hard work makes me want to hit somebody. They need to be stopped since they are making free money on our work.

What are you doing to stop this?


Max
 
Folks in the tickle community have always been cheapskates. Pornhub now has become a major venue to watch these vids. I dunno maybe if ALL producers don't release videos for several months to send a message to the community?
 
Folks in the tickle community have always been cheapskates. Pornhub now has become a major venue to watch these vids. I dunno maybe if ALL producers don't release videos for several months to send a message to the community?

I am FINALLY posting a clip I held for this worry and reason. I am SO fucking tired of it but it won't end anytime soon. This community has become exceptionally toxic with few caring. We can stop it but it will take time. Time that is difficult to handle. Now we lose hundreds to thousands for this and it affects business and we lose models because they think we do it and leave. Or worse their family sees them on a pornhub page. Its fucking stupid but people don't care at all.
 
We were all just talking about this in the chats and a good point was brought up. Years ago people were also ripped off regularly regarding tickling videos. They were posted on message boards, privately, and on porn sites without permission and nobody cared or did anything about it. When the copyright owners would speak up they were often chastised for complaining while the perps almost wore badges of honor on message boards for finding and posting said materials! So it would seem that the attitude of piracy was acceptable back then in this community.
Then piracy died out for a spell.
A dozen years later it reared it's ugly head again with the advent of C4S stores flooding the market. And now you have producers complaining and rightfully so about these same bastards stealing their hard work. But this time most everyone is on their side and the perps are to be lynched on sight.
So the questions were: why was it accepted back then and the copyright owners disrespected, but today it's the opposite? And, what did people do to make it die out for the span of time? Whatever it was, perhaps it can be done again?
 
I think the simple fact is that people in the TK Community just want their fix and they love the fact that there is free material for the picking. The internet has always been a forum for free shit (torrents,etc) and that will never end. We can't blame the Community. We have all been guilty many times for our curiosity and NEED to always find new stuff to satisfy our addiction.
What we CAN do is not allow the reposters to get away with it and check everyday for pirated videos and then issue a formal complaint. If the pirates see that we won't stand for it, and their accounts keep getting deleted, they'll move onto pirating other fetishes.

Max
 
I only made a handful of videos but every time I see one of mine appear on Youtube it gets me crazy. I do everything I can to send formal complaints to Youtube for its removal.
I know many of you have multiple videos and chasing down every one of them could be exhausting. But are you doing it to save your business? I don't really have a business since no one watches my old shit anymore. Jeff and I put in a lot of work to record these many years ago and it pisses me off when they are copied - as I am sure it drives you more successful companies crazy.
This trend of people creating fake accounts and posting and posting and reposting all of our hard work makes me want to hit somebody. They need to be stopped since they are making free money on our work.

What are you doing to stop this?


Max

Not a ton you can do. You can file DMCA notices until the poster gets tired of putting them up. We do that to a certain tickling site that annoys him to no end. We just focus on the surface stuff, like major forums and Pornhub. We have pretty good working relationships with them and we get files taken down quickly. This keeps the easy to find stuff off the casual downloader's radar. This person is more likely to spend a bit of coin if it's not freely available. The back alley trading in chat rooms and emails we don't bother with unless we stumble on them. The deeper people go the less likely it is they were ever going to pay for your content, so it's not financially worth chasing as well as the time and effort required. You can chase on principle, but principles don't pay the bills.
Joe
 
Folks in the tickle community have always been cheapskates. Pornhub now has become a major venue to watch these vids. I dunno maybe if ALL producers don't release videos for several months to send a message to the community?

There's already tons of porn in circulation.

People who watch pirated stuff on PornHub won't notice; they don't know or care whether most stuff on there is new.
 
I think the simple fact is that people in the TK Community just want their fix and they love the fact that there is free material for the picking. The internet has always been a forum for free shit (torrents,etc) and that will never end. We can't blame the Community. We have all been guilty many times for our curiosity and NEED to always find new stuff to satisfy our addiction.
What we CAN do is not allow the reposters to get away with it and check everyday for pirated videos and then issue a formal complaint. If the pirates see that we won't stand for it, and their accounts keep getting deleted, they'll move onto pirating other fetishes.

Max

I agree. Years back when I first joined and would see other's post a complaint about their material being taken and used without consent, it was always met with almost a smirk from people as if those persons owed it to them to hand it out. And no one did anything. Sometimes they hailed the person who stole it, that always confused me.

Of course I understand that anything at all that comes across a computer monitor can be easily copied through simple means. But now with all the hackers and software geniuses around there has to be someone in this community who can design some way of protecting clips. Or come up with a method of being sure you get paid prior to the clips being stolen. Like, if Jeff hosted something here- could they still steal it w/o being a member? Or could a ghost signature be applied to a clip and if that clip is posted anywhere you know exactly who did it and when?

Having the greatest admiration for you and Jeff and one or two others who I feel pioneered this fetish or at least helped it along the path, it seems beyond disrespectful of ticklers (and I believe them to be the pirates and even other producers as mentioned in other threads) to steal and post yours and other's materials when here we boast about us being a 'community'. And yet we show no respect for those that made and continue to make it what it is.
 
So, I've been having some angst about going to pornhub. I only go looking for vintage material or amateur material that you can't purchase elsewhere, but I've been wondering if even going on to pornhub at all is a good thing. It's a conundrum; by utilizing pornhub, am I also supporting video piracy?

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So, I've been having some angst about going to pornhub. I only go looking for vintage material or amateur material that you can't purchase elsewhere, but I've been wondering if even going on to pornhub at all is a good thing. It's a conundrum; by utilizing pornhub, am I also supporting video piracy?

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You're not necessarily supporting piracy by going there. Simply Tickling, Sole Mates, Scarlett Sinns and a few others all have accounts on Pornhub to show their sample videos. And there are people that don't even have clips4sale stores that just do homemade videos for fun and post them on there. Not everything on Pornhub is pirated but a good portion of it is and so it gets that reputation. Vintage material as far as videos that are no longer sold I couldn't tell you. I don't know what the laws are about pirating material that is no longer being sold anyway. But there are a decent amount of videos there that are not pirated so you're not supporting piracy just by going to the site.
 
Piracy is a reality in a digital era. You do what you can to earn your money, and you either fight it, or don't. It's a much bigger issue now with sites that so many people can access so easily. Compared to 10 years ago, how much of your porn collection has gone from hard copy to digital? How much of it is from a membership site or paid? That's just the switch in consumer trends. Before that, it was the kids who videoed it iff late night TV or stole their vids and magazines.
 
There's no easy reply to this. One thing that might make a big difference is going after the biggest clip pirate of them all (Not naming him here, but I'm sure a lot of you know who the guy is)

He has managed to resurface a couple of times though. The Pornhub thing is (in my opinion) directly related to him - people download the clips from him and then reupload them on Pornhub. It won't stop the issue altogether, but it might stop it from spiraling out of control like it currently is.
 
I tried to paste my screencap of “video removed” but couldn’t manage it with my phone. However one lone success is alway encouraging.
 
I can understand that some producers are pissed that their stuff is posted there. But I think that's the same with any other fetish or porn stuff. And if you are really correct, then it's also piracy to post tv shows on youtube and to watch them there, a thing prolly everyone here has already done. I'm not a fan of piracy, but I think it's a bit laughable to complain about the piracy stuff as long as you aren't a producers.
BTW, it's also possible to report a clip at pro hub and then it gets deleted.
 
I think membership sites where you can view videos but not download them might be the wave of the future--for X dollars a month, 10, 15 lets say you can access all the videos and see them over and over but not download them. Of course some will be pissed, some will hack anyway, but Netflix does very well with this model. Even just 100 subscribers at just 10 or 15 dollars is still a sizeable amount of money. Can sell clips on the side for download. Or clip bundles for download. The average person doesn't seem to care about producers trying to make a living doing this--however when there isn't enough money there to pay the models to do the shoot, they start to care a lot.
 
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