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Hey, all of you have this attitude of not liking models who aren't "pro community"...

Tenebrae said:
What do you mean? In what sense? I am a big FTKL fan, but I don't see the correlation ^_^
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Ftkl was constantly whining and telling people their business. Also TWICE he has left this site for good and stated he would never post or share here again. His videos are at best a bit above average and ring a bit fake to me. (That btw is a matter of opinion) . Still Tickle Room reminds me a lot of ftkl.
 
Dummy said:
Ftkl was constantly whining and telling people their business. Also TWICE he has left this site for good and stated he would never post or share here again. His videos are at best a bit above average and ring a bit fake to me. (That btw is a matter of opinion). Still Tickle Room reminds me a lot of ftkl.
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FTKL is my pal, on top of being a top-notch video producer AND cartoonist (which is quite rare when you think of it). I might be biased in his favor, but naturally I respect your right not to like anyone here.

I thought you meant from an artistic point of view lol :p I don't think he "whined" about anything; like a lot of video producers he had his qualms about the community (ask Tommy, Solemates, etc what they think about piracy...) but I never caught him crossing the line of constructive criticism. Moreover, I can personally attest to his business ethic, his politeness and his multiple talents.

His videos are very special; I think in the business only James Darke and Laughing Gas Zone do similar work. Granted, they are not for everyone, so it is perfectly within your right not to like them. But seeing the VU universe coming to life, with extremely professional models, killer camera angles and most important of all, a visible pleasure taken making them... I am telling you man I love it :xpulcy: It is so campy, so over-the-top and so enthusiastic! Sometimes I wonder what he could do given a solid budget ($2-3 mil or something). That'd surely be epic!

Remember, he is also the guy who drew these:

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That alone is worthy of eternal praise.

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So far as I can tell Comfort Eagle isnt a producer.
Sorry for a producer to whine and leave in a huff then come back makes him a hypocrite.
I dont care about his cartoon work as it does nothing for me. If I want cartoons I will go read the comics section of the newspaper.
I simply think his work isnt great. Then again its nearly all customs so..
Saying that I think Laughinggas does good work even though I am not a huge fan of his genre.
Years ago Heroine Universe left over whether some of his work was fake. He stated he was leaving then he left for good. No huff no fanfare and he never came back.
Now thats respectable
 
Dummy said:
So far as I can tell Comfort Eagle isnt a producer.
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Oh? I stand corrected; he often shares a lot of insight on the video producing business, so I carelessly threw him in with the lot. :p Apologies to him, I'll edit my post right away.

Dummy said:
Sorry for a producer to whine and leave in a huff then come back makes him a hypocrite.
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I beg to differ. People can change their minds, and they come and go here. Such is the nature of the Internet.

Dummy said:
I dont care about his cartoon work as it does nothing for me. If I want cartoons I will go read the comics section of the newspaper.I simply think his work isnt great. Then again its nearly all customs so..
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I doubt you'll find MTJ style cartoons in the newspaper any time soon :blaugh: ;) Or else, the Vanillas are a lot less Vanilla than I used to think :rolleyes: But fair enough if that's not your thing. To each one their own taste.
 
Btw if Tickle Room has a good video I dont
Care what his opinion is on a model. I buy the video.
Heroineuniverse has some pretty good stuff

Not sure if a person who has no known studio can provide insight on producing.

turtleboy , Solemates et al have studios and periodically provide excellent insight. Laughinggas does too

Sorry if you say you are leaving establishment A forever then show up in said establishment you are a hypocrite. What really happened is his sales suffered and he made the decision to be a hypocrite with the hopes that no one would remember.

You are right about taste my friend. I tend to like long intense videos with a lot of psychological and verbal taunting which is why I pay a very good producer to
Make excellent custom videos.
 
Dummy said:
You are right about taste my friend. I tend to like long intense videos with a lot of psychological and verbal taunting which is why I pay a very good producer to make excellent custom videos.
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Hey, I like that too! Which studios were you referring to? The closest I can think of are Czech Tickling, Frenchtickling and The Hard Limit. If you have any recommendations, I'll gladly take them :xpulcy:
 
Quite the convo! Didn't realize this tweets would be such an issue for many. But hey I digress my point because there is QUITE A LOT of speculation, opinion, and assumption in this thread lol. First off, I sent my tweets out when my fans asked me to work with her. I try my best to do as many "free" things for them as possible since I understand bow life can cause struggle. I did this (as I mostly do) publicly. I simply asked her about tickling. Now after her response I cracked a joke using hashtags. She snapped. Did I curse her out? no. Did I say ANYTHING nasty back, message her, or anything of the sort? Nope. I told her to have a good day and moved on.
So I do not know what you guys think you "know" but I never pestered her before this convo or after. I made a joke and she snapped on us and the fan base. so my problem was the Domme issue. What many people "think" they know but don't is the industry. Some fans know very much and are very involved. Most don't know much of anything and go off assumption. One of the issues is recently many models become Findoms or close to it. Upon making this career change they still work with producers but sometimes this new lifestyle bleeds into them far too much and they forget business. Then shit like that tweet happens. To which many ACTUAL fetish models messaged me saying it happens and to not take it personal. So I didn't.
Ironically enough most of the names on here that complain of me are the same people who consistently troll the comment section of my content for virtually no reason. My true fans who have been with me over the many years know. I am very kind to my models and my true fans. But regardless I will answer this one by one. To make it simple
 
Myriads said:
Fetish models, and cam-girls who make video content, share something in common, they are performers.

They are creating media that has a very specific entertainment goal in mind, to get you off; Thus you are getting a created bit of media that is not real in the sense of real as in what you might do with a partner in real life. Just as general porn is not the same as actual fucking.

So with fetish media they might have zero interest in the fetish. They might even dislike it. Doing it comes down to "Is it worth the annoyance f or the paycheck." Lots of factors can tip that into 'no'.

I have a friend who is pretty successful cam-girl, and she does a lot of video work with production companies. A ways back she took on fetish shoot for a company that specializes in leg crushing femdom material. Basically women choke out guys via leg locks around their necks. She has a pretty open mind when it comes to fetish work, and looks in such shoots as fun, and had a good time filming the material. And her clips were well received. and then out of the inky depths she started to get mail, and tweets and so forth from guys that wanted to hire her to choke them. She doesn't session, and told them so. But a significant number were insistent that they wanted HER to handle them and if she'd just try it would be great. I saw a lot of these mails and they were straight up harassment after a point, and broke the creepy meter in most cases.

It took more then a month for the crap to die down . And she will NOT shoot a video for that fetish ever again. It was that much of an annoyance. She has zero interest in engaging that fan base again. Even at the cost of profitable work.

In the tweet pic above, we lack a lot of context as to why the model is anti to tickling work/fans. Perhaps she hates it, and even if she shot tickling in the past, is now at place where she can say no without caring about the cash. Perhaps she is tired of dealing with "fans" that won't take no for an answer when they ask when her next tickle shoot is. One thing a lot of these women experience is a sense of being seen as some sort of coin operated fetish dispenser where guys stuff some cash in and some specific fetish content will pop out, with total disregard to the fact that there is a human on the other side of that screen who might have specific dislikes or be tired, or whatever. It wears on them.

Is it great business sense to be snappy at any possible 'fan group' in public? No. But sometimes the last straw hits you and you pop off.

In the end this is a business for models and producers and money is the reason why much of the content you see gets filmed. That fact breaks the fantasy for many, and seeing 'real' feeling from models about fetish shoots does also. But it's fact that is often forgotten

Myriads
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Good points all around. I'm a producer. Yes I have fun and yes I go for what my fan base requests but I never pestered her more than 2 tweets. I do think she may have been pestered frequently leading to her snap. But regardless I walked away humble and calm. Was it rude? I believe so. But to be honest I didn't take it personal. She's more into a Domme life now and things change.
 
Adam said:
Digging a little deeper, it would appear Myriads is correct. It's maybe not the nicest way she could have said it, but we don't know how many times she's been pestered about it either.
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she wasn't. I never sent the email because she immediately responded to the tweet. the 3 tweets I sent are the only 3 she ever got from me.
 
Wolf said:
We also don't know what question was asked in the email which led to this whole exchange.
We do know that he wouldn't take no for an answer.
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I did take no for an answer and there was no email exchange. I made one joke and she snapped.
 
manamoyik said:
She said she hated being tickled. She's very public about that. Guys like Tickle Room, who think they're all that and a bag of crisps, seem to think they "do it better". Turns out he just looks like a fool.
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All that and a bag of crisps? I think I do it better? and I looked like a fool? Do you follow me at all or do you just spew garbage? I'll assume you are simply a troll whose new here.
 
laughinggaszone said:
Social media has made what was once typically a private interaction, very public. The guy appears to have been pestering her, but her response was not just something he would see, but public consumption. I would say it's not the best public relations tactic. I know many models. Some like tickling and some actually hate it and it's just a job. While the model's response was a bit much, in my opinion, it was also true. These models are fulfilling a fantasy. Whether it's a complex story driven video or a straight tie and tickle. It's all Hollywood porno.
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She did have a point. But she was far from pestered by me. My assumption is she has constant tickle fetishists attacking her. Do I think it was over the top? hell yea. But I get it. Hence me kindly telling her to have a good day after her liking the tweet and me moving on with my morning
 
manamoyik said:
Not sure I'd call it a hissy fit. More like an explanation of what happened. But hey, I'll keep my posts up for public consumption, unlike Tickle Room, who deleted all the tweets where he looked awkward and instead put up something about "humbling pro dommes in a heartbeat".

I get it - I'm a dick. I can live with that. But the fact remains, Tickle Room can't seem to get out of his way when it comes to sticking his foot in his mouth.
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I didn't delete my tweets? at all.
You literally constantly pop up when my name is brought up to be "a duck. are you ok? is it obsession? I'm worried about you man
 
duderino84 said:
Ever get the feeling we've had too much of a good thing?
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YES. VERY MUCH YES. Honestly I feel people are becoming spoiled by the overflow of content and piracy but that's a different topic. totally don't mind Dming about it. I love a good Ta-ta-tet
 
OmahaTickler said:
People must remember that for most of these models, this is BUSINESS, not their lifelong fetish like many of us. You must maintain perspective when watching these clips. Sure, you can suspend disbelief when you're in the throes of desire while watching it or whatever, but in the end---for the vast majority of models, this is just a gig, and we are strangers/customers. I've been a lifelong foot/tickling fetishist, and I've been an avid clip-watcher since fetish clips became easily available about 20 years ago. I probably was at an advantage in staying grounded because this medium didn't exist until I was nearly 30 years old. I understand how you can really get into it, but you must maintain perspective.
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Perfectly put. these are performers. To a degree they love doing what they do but there are always a few things they don't like. Tickling is a more popular one. VERY true maintain perspective. Personally I try to remember to always look at the business aspect of it and have fun after
 
tk86 said:
I still have yet to meet one (1) sub or switch at the Dominion or other dungeon who joined to do tickle sessions. Many are either b&d lifestyle people or curious new arrivals to the scene. The women who end up enjoying (or putting up with) tickle sessions find out about the fetish after they have started. I would imagine that's true of the majority of video performers as well.
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it is. But honestly the reason why is people pushing models WAYYYY past their limit. Yes I push in my videos but I warn people and give safewords. You would be surprised how many fetish models have called me hysterical after a session or shoot and quit or want to quit after feeling pushed WAY past the limits discussed.
 
Tenebrae said:
It's human to just "snap" sometimes. If you get harassed (and the Internet is more often than not a platform for harassment) by idiots, you may one day lose your cool and reply back aggressively. I mean, we don't know what prompted her reaction. Have you looked at our females' profiles on the TMF? There's a lot of them who write stuff like "please be respectful", "stop sending me RP requests", "I am in a happy relationship and am not looking to hookup with you", etc... So imagine the kind of messages a fetish model (who apparently people think belong to them for some reason) must have to deal with every day. That's why it's understandable that a person, from time to time, wants to yell that she's had enough. They can hardly be blamed for that. Besides in general I do not pay too much attention to what people do and say on the Internet. It's not real life.

With that being said, like Bradhadair cleverly observed, she might have hurt her fan base. Performer or not, she should know that kind of negativity is seldom welcome. The popular models are those who at least appear like they love what they are doing (and some genuinely do). It's a little bit like during a job interview you never trash the previous company you just left, even though in your heart you hated working there.
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I don't think she did much to it. Her fan base is changing and yes. My fiance left the scene after years because the Dms get scary. they are disgusting. So it's understandable
 
porcelaindoll2 said:
Meh I say it depends. I've been in the fetish model business since 2011 and been a professional switch since around 2014. I have many writings that clearly state what I do and don't offer when it comes to shoots and sessions. On various sites my about me section states what I offer as well. If guys are too stupid to read what I've written or heaven forbid they think they're going to be the ones that I change my mind on then I say they get what they deserve. Now I will say if it happens somewhere that's open for everyone in the public to see I will try to be a little more polite, but if it's a private message watch out. After years of dealing with so many time wasters and wankers my pity card is pretty much spent. To be honest I don't think what that model did was wrong. She clearly stated she didn't want to do tickling the producer should have backed off. So many guys have this attitude of I know things will be different with me she'll be dying to do things she doesn't do with me. I will also say that if someone gets too creepy, annoying, or pushy then your best bet is to just block them and move on.
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Actually she still had it listed that she did tickling hence my tweet. But I agree it's why I did back off. I wasn't going to fight her. She didn't wanna get tickled and I'm totally ok with that. She snapped and I can only assume it's because she's pestered constantly. Hence why many models Dmed me saying don't take her personal. She can get fiesty but she means no harm. If people were on Twitter with us producers and models we have spats like that but am hour later were cracking jokes and retweeting memes. It's life. it happens.
 
Dummy said:
Is Tickle Room the new ftkl?
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thanks for the compliment. Me and him do talk and tweet often. But I mean opinions are opinions and you are entitled to it. Just realize I'm not complaining about what happens. I will live my life regardless. I am warning. I am warning everyone about the issues I see daily from MY SIDE of the industry and how we can stop it. VERY different.
 
The Tickle Room said:
Actually she still had it listed that she did tickling hence my tweet. But I agree it's why I did back off. I wasn't going to fight her. She didn't wanna get tickled and I'm totally ok with that. She snapped and I can only assume it's because she's pestered constantly. Hence why many models Dmed me saying don't take her personal. She can get fiesty but she means no harm. If people were on Twitter with us producers and models we have spats like that but am hour later were cracking jokes and retweeting memes. It's life. it happens.
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I personally don't contact models publicly. I've had a few act out and it was better to keep the conversation (or lack there of) private. Like many producers, I could tell some stories.
 
laughinggaszone said:
I personally don't contact models publicly. I've had a few act out and it was better to keep the conversation (or lack there of) private. Like many producers, I could tell some stories.
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Ya I can only imagine from how long you have been in the game. But I do not mind using twitter openly to begin the contact to see. But ultimately business is handled privately. I can understand your standpoint 100%
 
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