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Dream Content Producers?

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An interesting question occurred to me today! I wonder what others in the TMF would love to see, with no attention to logistical challenges or peculiarities of taste, in a dream tickling content producer. What concept doesn't have a home in the current landscape that would scratch your particular itch? Who knows, maybe we'll inspire some new themes among current producers!

I'd totally dig a producer that brings together young-ish, in-shape amateur lers for gang- and single-tickle sessions with (probably paid) models. I love scenes where the lee is laughing her head off and is adorable, but also where the ler is clearly digging the experience. Good tickle chemistry is rare (along with lers I want to see on camera, sadly).

Beyond that, a tickling producer that focuses on tickling sex scenes. Genuine interactions would be best, but staged would be OK too.

Interested to hear your suggestions!
 
I'd love to see a studio that specialised in 'buried in the sand and tickled' style clips. Don't get me wrong, many current studios do that, and brilliantly as well, but to see a company who were dedicated purely to that kind of scenario would be awesome! :D
 
EnTranceToExit said:
I'd love to see a studio that specialised in 'buried in the sand and tickled' style clips. Don't get me wrong, many current studios do that, and brilliantly as well, but to see a company who were dedicated purely to that kind of scenario would be awesome! :D
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OMG I second this idea. I would love to see a studio who only did these style!
 
Cool, yeah! Or maybe general scenarios we fantasized from our youth - like maybe tickling on a playground (appropriately deserted!), or foot tickling while the lee is sitting in a tree just a bit off of the ground. I like it!
 
I'd like a modern redux version of the Renfaire tickling video concept. I don't need the medieval outfits or theme, but just where the girls are restrained without knowing what's coming, then tickled. Not interested in them being truly traumatized or terrified, but just surprised by the tickling, and unable to get away.

Sometimes bondage videos include this within a longer video, but not often enough. I think a producer could make a fortune by specializing in this.
 
Authenticity is big for me...I kinda like the surprise concept too (as brotherted explained), but you'd have to be very careful as it could dip into illegal/non-con territory. Unexpected tickles are a guilty pleasure of mine (which is why I often enjoy mainstream tickling stories more than deliberate tickle "porn")...but if I got any indication that an assault was taking place, of course I wouldn't support that.

On a semi-related note - what about vids that are staged to look "mainstream" for the voyeurs among us? I don't mean like a porno with a fake storyline, I mean make it so it looks like it actually might have happened, and we're watching on a security camera. For example, I see people on here writing stories about going to the doctor or massage place and getting these "accidental" tickles that eventually work into a (usually fictional) full-on tickling incident. I think these fantasy situations cross all of our minds sometimes, and many would enjoy watching them play out as imagined. I know there are a ton of fantasy vids, but I haven't seen any that felt really "authentic"...the props and costumes tend to be Halloween-grade and the actors look into the camera (normally not an issue, but in this scenario it reminds you that you're watching porn, not a real encounter.) I'd rather have my naughty nurse wearing real scrubs, even though they're not "sexy" - because it would seem more real. Maybe that's just me!
 
KlaraBeck said:
Authenticity is big for me...I kinda like the surprise concept too (as brotherted explained), but you'd have to be very careful as it could dip into illegal/non-con territory. Unexpected tickles are a guilty pleasure of mine (which is why I often enjoy mainstream tickling stories more than deliberate tickle "porn")...but if I got any indication that an assault was taking place, of course I wouldn't support that.
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I think we agree on this, but just to elaborate a bit... as it's my favorite topic. :)

I have long been convinced that a video series could be easily and safely produced where a model is booked for a bondage shoot, agreeing in advance in writing that "the shoot may also include other related activities including massaging, vibrating, tickling and various movements." Then, once she's fully restrained, the 'ler tries some test tickling. If the 'lee expresses extreme discomfort or a hostile reaction, then it stops right there, and the producer could still record and sell a bondage video. But just like in the cases of surprise tickling in Renfaire or hardcore Insex-type videos, I believe that a great majority of 'lees would take it in stride as part of the experience.

I think such a producer would make money hand over fist. If nothing else it would be something different.

And to the "consent-Nazi's" no, I reject the idea that this would present a problem. There is simply no way a 5-10 second tickle test, followed by a serious protest from a model -- who'd already signed a consent form allowing tickling -- which then ends right there -- would ever been seen as a huge problem by anyone. There are literally hundreds of Renfaire videos that prove my point -- and those 'lees never even signed releases.
 
brotherted said:
I think we agree on this, but just to elaborate a bit... as it's my favorite topic. :)

I have long been convinced that a video series could be easily and safely produced where a model is booked for a bondage shoot, agreeing in advance in writing that "the shoot may also include other related activities including massaging, vibrating, tickling and various movements." Then, once she's fully restrained, the 'ler tries some test tickling. If the 'lee expresses extreme discomfort or a hostile reaction, then it stops right there, and the producer could still record and sell a bondage video. But just like in the cases of surprise tickling in Renfaire or hardcore Insex-type videos, I believe that a great majority of 'lees would take it in stride as part of the experience.

I think such a producer would make money hand over fist. If nothing else it would be something different.

And to the "consent-Nazi's" no, I reject the idea that this would present a problem. There is simply no way a 5-10 second tickle test, followed by a serious protest from a model -- who'd already signed a consent form allowing tickling -- which then ends right there -- would ever been seen as a huge problem by anyone. There are literally hundreds of Renfaire videos that prove my point -- and those 'lees never even signed releases.
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I’m not a producer, obviously, but I’m just gonna say why I think this wouldn’t work as an idea for a tickling studio.

It goes without saying that a fetish model – this is if they have any sense – is going to want to know what they’re getting into before they commit to a shoot. So let’s say Model A takes a look at this contract, sees the word “tickling” and thinks, “Yeah, that’s fine.” Maybe they’ve done tickling shoots before, maybe they like it as an activity, maybe they’re indifferent… Either way, it’s not a problem. So they sign the contract and they do the shoot. I fail to see where the element of surprise or the nod to non-con - which, if I understand correctly, is what you’re trying to capture - comes into play in that scenario. What you’ve done there is make an ordinary tickling video, but with some other fetish stuff (you mentioned “vibrating” etc) thrown in just for the helluvit.

So OK, another model comes along. Model B takes a look at the contract, sees the word “tickling” and thinks, “Oh no. I hate tickling/I’m too ticklish etc.” But they decide to go through with it anyway – maybe they need the money, who knows. In the scenario that you’ve painted, that model is not obligated to endure more than 10 seconds of tickling in order to get paid. So they “make a serious protest” and the tickler duly ceases after 10 seconds. You can’t really sell the resulting footage as a tickling video, so you sell it as a bondage video instead.

Either way, you haven’t achieved your goal. You haven’t created anything that isn’t already out there (as far as studios go). And I think the reason why producers can’t – even if they wanted to – capture those elements of Renfaire tickling that appeal to you, is because they are beholden to their ‘lees in a way that those guys at Renfaire are not.

That’s just my take on it, anyway.

Cheers. :)
 
Vanillaphant said:
So let’s say Model A takes a look at this contract, sees the word “tickling” and thinks, “Yeah, that’s fine.” Maybe they’ve done tickling shoots before, maybe they like it as an activity, maybe they’re indifferent… Either way, it’s not a problem. So they sign the contract and they do the shoot. I fail to see where the element of surprise or the nod to non-con - which, if I understand correctly, is what you’re trying to capture - comes into play in that scenario. What you’ve done there is make an ordinary tickling video, but with some other fetish stuff (you mentioned “vibrating” etc) thrown in just for the helluvit.

So OK, another model comes along. Model B takes a look at the contract, sees the word “tickling” and thinks, “Oh no. I hate tickling/I’m too ticklish etc.” But they decide to go through with it anyway – maybe they need the money, who knows. In the scenario that you’ve painted, that model is not obligated to endure more than 10 seconds of tickling in order to get paid. So they “make a serious protest” and the tickler duly ceases after 10 seconds. You can’t really sell the resulting footage as a tickling video, so you sell it as a bondage video instead....

That’s just my take on it, anyway.

Cheers. :)
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Thanks for the logical and lucid response.
Respectfully, I see it differently.

Scenario A: I've produced lots of videos and photo shoots, and a large percentage of the time the models barely read the contract, or often even at all. Many of them consider it all "legal mumbo-jumbo" and just sign. So for them there would be true surprise. And even those that may actually see and understand that the T-word is there may still not think it's there for *that* shoot, but it's rather boilerplate language used for all kinds of shoots. So I believe there would still be lots of room for surprise.

Scenario B: Yes, in that case, the producer would sell it as a bondage video. But I think the "objectors" would make up a tiny percentage here -- it would mostly be the girls who aren't ticklish.

-- BT
 
brotherted said:
I think we agree on this, but just to elaborate a bit... as it's my favorite topic. :)

I have long been convinced that a video series could be easily and safely produced where a model is booked for a bondage shoot, agreeing in advance in writing that "the shoot may also include other related activities including massaging, vibrating, tickling and various movements." Then, once she's fully restrained, the 'ler tries some test tickling. If the 'lee expresses extreme discomfort or a hostile reaction, then it stops right there, and the producer could still record and sell a bondage video. But just like in the cases of surprise tickling in Renfaire or hardcore Insex-type videos, I believe that a great majority of 'lees would take it in stride as part of the experience.

I think such a producer would make money hand over fist. If nothing else it would be something different.

And to the "consent-Nazi's" no, I reject the idea that this would present a problem. There is simply no way a 5-10 second tickle test, followed by a serious protest from a model -- who'd already signed a consent form allowing tickling -- which then ends right there -- would ever been seen as a huge problem by anyone. There are literally hundreds of Renfaire videos that prove my point -- and those 'lees never even signed releases.
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Clearly you don't have much experience in how videos are produced. There is no "consent form." There is a model release, but that is for proper age verification and who owns the video rights. Content of the video is discussed before hand with the model, partly to determine comfort/limits and partly to negotiate the model's fee(content can be a big factor in what she charges). You want to sneak things in? Try hiring that model again. It's a business and part of being in business for profit or fun is having good working relationships and a good reputation. You try pulling "fast ones" on models and you won't see them again and you will get a rep for being a skeevy producer. The model has to know what she is in for. If she agrees to "anything goes," a safe word is still employed. Your fantasy and the reality of producing it are not necessarily the same thing. As far as the Ren fair vids? You don't know if they signed anything or not, but if they didn't, they could sue the person profiting from them for using their image without permission. Ask the guy from Girls Gone Wild how that worked out for him.
 
laughinggaszone said:
Clearly you don't have much experience in how videos are produced. There is no "consent form." There is a model release, but that is for proper age verification and who owns the video rights. Content of the video is discussed before hand with the model, partly to determine comfort/limits and partly to negotiate the model's fee(content can be a big factor in what she charges). You want to sneak things in? Try hiring that model again. It's a business and part of being in business for profit or fun is having good working relationships and a good reputation. You try pulling "fast ones" on models and you won't see them again and you will get a rep for being a skeevy producer. The model has to know what she is in for. If she agrees to "anything goes," a safe word is still employed. Your fantasy and the reality of producing it are not necessarily the same thing. As far as the Ren fair vids? You don't know if they signed anything or not, but if they didn't, they could sue the person profiting from them for using their image without permission. Ask the guy from Girls Gone Wild how that worked out for him.
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A release form and consent form are the same thing; this is a semantics. It is legal "consent" of the model to "release" her rights to the content.

"Sneak things in"? You're contending that a model who expresses disapproval of a quick, instantaneous poke, (1) sees that you then don't do it again, and (2) is reminded that you're not doing it again even though she agreed to it in the consent form -- will still nevertheless consider you a "skeevy" producer after you've so clearly respected her boundaries? Perhaps we can have a vote on this, but no, that's not realistic. In fact, she will have the exact opposite response -- awareness that you respected her boundaries even though she'd given authorization.

You write,
"If she agrees to "anything goes," a safe word is still employed. Your fantasy and the reality of producing it are not necessarily the same thing."
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That's incorrect. Not only are there not always safe words, there are actually hundreds (if not thousands) of videos were models are literally gagged and can't speak at all. (Do I need to include "ball gag" video links here?) And you're lecturing me that there are always safe words? Nonsense. Can that be a choice? Of course.

Joe Francis, the Girls Gone Wild producer, had issues completely unrelated to our conversation, like video recording children, drugs, and physical beatings of women.

I've produced countless photo shoots and videos. I've learned through the years that if you respond to people respectfully when they express that there's a problem or issue, they walk away with a positive opinion of you. No model who agrees to a bondage shoot will be offended by a single, momentary poke, especially if you then don't repeat it as soon as she objects. If someone is truly "skeevy," that skeeviness would have be demonstrated some other way.
 
brotherted said:
A release form and consent form are the same thing; this is a semantics. It is legal "consent" of the model to "release" her rights to the content.

"Sneak things in"? You're contending that a model who expresses disapproval of a quick, instantaneous poke, (1) sees that you then don't do it again, and (2) is reminded that you're not doing it again even though she agreed to it in the consent form -- will still nevertheless consider you a "skeevy" producer after you've so clearly respected her boundaries? Perhaps we can have a vote on this, but no, that's not realistic. In fact, she will have the exact opposite response -- awareness that you respected her boundaries even though she'd given authorization.

You write,


That's incorrect. Not only are there not always safe words, there are actually hundreds (if not thousands) of videos were models are literally gagged and can't speak at all. (Do I need to include "ball gag" video links here?) And you're lecturing me that there are always safe words? Nonsense. Can that be a choice? Of course.

Joe Francis, the Girls Gone Wild producer, had issues completely unrelated to our conversation, like video recording children, drugs, and physical beatings of women.

I've produced countless photo shoots and videos. I've learned through the years that if you respond to people respectfully when they express that there's a problem or issue, they walk away with a positive opinion of you. No model who agrees to a bondage shoot will be offended by a single, momentary poke, especially if you then don't repeat it as soon as she objects. If someone is truly "skeevy," that skeeviness would have be demonstrated some other way.
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First of all, if the model agrees to try "anything," then that's fine as long as you respect her boundaries. But if she says no (fill in the blank) and you try it anyway, you're playing games. I don't play games with my models and I've been making professional fetish videos for 20 years. Everything is discussed. Especially if you are using heavy restraints or ball gags. Maybe you deal with amateur models who don't know any better.

Consent is not the same as a model release. I actually use an adult entertainment lawyer. You might want to get one. And no, Francis did indeed get into trouble filming women without consent. Multiple suits dragged through the courts for years being ruled on, overturned and so forth. In his own words it wasn't pleasant for him, no matter the final outcome. I make the point: don't invite trouble by being a skeevy perv.
 
brotherted said:
I've produced lots of videos and photo shoots, and a large percentage of the time the models barely read the contract, or often even at all.
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I can stop you right here. Every girl I've ever worked with has read every form I've put in front of her before signing it. That goes for the pros as well as the amateurs. They're not stupid.

There are literally hundreds of Renfaire videos that prove my point.
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Marco got banned from Canelli.

If you've produced videos before and are so sure it's no big deal, why don't you do it yourself rather than pestering us about it over and over?
 
Interesting discussion! I also really dig videos that play up the torturous element of tickling with models (notable exception: Bleufetish productions which features some hot videos, but others that make me incredibly uncomfortable with lees that seem very unwilling), exploring something foreign and perhaps even a bit weird without hating the experience.

But then again I also find incredibly hot clips featuring girls (lees and lers) that are turned on by tickles. I guess another two fantasy concepts, for me!

I wonder, though, if producers could avoid scenes with genuinely spontaneous tickles and instead specialize in ultimately staged spontaneity. Would the acting be that difficult? Here is favored example of mine: https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph58695015484b7
 
I would love to see some younger (20’s and 30’s,) fit male Lers in boxers or what not. Guys who actually get turned on by what they are doing, and it shows. I’d love to see more tickle sex. More gang tickling of young, attractive men who get and stay hard from tickling. More feather edging of women and men.
 
A good dominant male ler with M/F videos. Kind of what TIB used to do, back in the day.

If possible, something that's dominant, but in a fun sort of way. Tommy from Tickle Abuse's first few vids with Carmen (what tickles more, sexiest Asian) are what I have in mind.
 
EnTranceToExit said:
I'd love to see a studio that specialised in 'buried in the sand and tickled' style clips. Don't get me wrong, many current studios do that, and brilliantly as well, but to see a company who were dedicated purely to that kind of scenario would be awesome! :D
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I may be considering breaking out of the mold in this fashion
 
Still not much of an appetite or market for f/m switch to m/f type scenes, eh? Oh well there has to be a niche somewhere for this
 
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