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Consensual vs. Non-consensual. What do you prefer?

GirlMeetsTickle said:
Oh..I thought you understood what I meant that she wouldn’t be trying to get away.
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I'm not getting your point. What exactly did I misunderstand?

Also, I'll add this to the overall conversation. When this type of thing occurs in a fantasy situation, on some level, the person in trouble doesn't completely dislike what's happening, even though she may act like she does.
 
Origami_Maggots said:
I'm not getting your point. What exactly did I misunderstand?
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It's that you're saying that it's a non-factor that she's not suffering, and then reverting to 'but it can still be sadism'.




Origami_Maggots said:
Also, I'll add this to the overall conversation. When this type of thing occurs in a fantasy situation, on some level, the person in trouble doesn't completely dislike what's happening, even though she may act like she does.
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Oh, she doesn't completely dislike it? :trophy:
 
Wolf said:
Solicitation involves consent. What you're referring to is coercion.
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Solicitation does involve consent. Consent is what's being requested in the exchange.

co·er·cion
kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən
noun
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

This isn't what I'm describing.
 
Origami_Maggots said:
Solicitation does involve consent. Consent is what's being requested in the exchange.

co·er·cion
kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən
noun
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

This isn't what I'm describing.
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I don't really think it matters what you call it. It's fantasizing about unloading sadistic urges on someone in a tough spot.
 
Origami_Maggots said:
Solicitation does involve consent. Consent is what's being requested in the exchange.

co·er·cion
kōˈərZHən,kōˈərSHən
noun
the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats.

This isn't what I'm describing.
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You can pay an escort for consent, but that would rob you of the power trip.
 
GirlMeetsTickle said:
It's that you're saying that it's a non-factor that she's not suffering, and then reverting to 'but it can still be sadism'.
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Apparently you've missed something I wrote earlier. I said that suffering and torture may not be the exact words, at least not in the complete definitions of the words. If you're defining torture as being stretched on a rack, or forced to sit on a Spanish donkey, and suffering as standing in an iron maiden, then no, that's not what I mean. I went on to say that with tickling, even when it's enjoyed by the 'lee, there's thrashing and squirming. When this occurs, it appears to me that there's both a small amount of sadism, and a small amount of masochism. And as far as fantasy goes, what kind of fantasy is it to tickle someone who's not ticklish?






GirlMeetsTickle said:
Oh, she doesn't completely dislike it?
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Nope, not in the fantasy world. It's like I mentioned previously about the scene in "Revenge of the Nerds." If someone fooled someone to believe that he was someone else, had sex with her and she enjoyed it, the whole situation would turn around once it was revealed that this person was not who she believed it to have been. In the movie, however, she fell in love with the person who'd fooled her. The audience was rooting for this guy, so it didn't come across as a rape, even though in the real world, it would have been. Fantasy is what we're talking about, or at least what I thought this thread was about.
 
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Origami_Maggots said:
Apparently you've missed something I wrote earlier. I said that suffering and torture may not be the exact words, at least not in the complete definitions of the words. If you're defining torture as being stretched on a rack, or forced to sit on a Spanish donkey, and suffering as standing in an iron maiden, then no, that's not what I mean. I went on to say that with tickling, even when it's enjoyed by the 'lee, there's thrashing and squirming. When this occurs, it appears to me that there's both a small amount of sadism, and a small amount of masochism. And as far as fantasy goes, what kind of fantasy is it to tickle someone who's not ticklish?








Nope, not in the fantasy world. It's like I mentioned previously about the scene in "Revenge of the Nerds." If someone fooled someone to believe that he was someone else, had sex with her and she enjoyed it, the whole situation would turn around once it was revealed that this person was not who she believed it to have been. In the movie, however, she fell in love with the person who'd fooled her. The audience was rooting for this guy, so it didn't come across as a rape, even though in the real world, it would have been. Fantasy is what we're talking about, or at least what I thought this thread was about.
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So, maybe you could find a girl who likes tickling and somehow fool her into thinking you're her boyfriend?
 
Origami_Maggots said:
Apparently you've missed something I wrote earlier. I said that suffering and torture may not be the exact words, at least not in the complete definitions of the words. If you're defining torture as being stretched on a rack, or forced to sit on a Spanish donkey, and suffering as standing in an iron maiden, then no, that's not what I mean.
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I didn't miss you say that at all. You went from saying your fantasy was that a woman would be getting her car repossessed and you "bail her out" if she suffers through tickle torture at your hands, to then back pedaling like 'maybe it's not totally torture'. And those methods you mentioned weren't what came to mind. I was picturing intense tickle torture...because that's what you said.

Origami_Maggots said:
I went on to say that with tickling, even when it's enjoyed by the 'lee, there's thrashing and squirming. When this occurs, it appears to me that there's both a small amount of sadism, and a small amount of masochism. And as far as fantasy goes, what kind of fantasy is it to tickle someone who's not ticklish?
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Yeah, it may appear that way to you. But there are people who are ticklish and enjoy the sensation. The kind of fantasy of tickling someone who's not ticklish isn't one I raised. I said that she would be ticklish, just that she doesn't consider it torture at all. She wouldn't feel the need to safeword or beg. It seems, though, that you're satisfied as long as it at least appears that it's an act of at least some sadism. And that defeats the purpose of having asked what I did.








Origami_Maggots said:
Nope, not in the fantasy world. It's like I mentioned previously about the scene in "Revenge of the Nerds." If someone fooled someone to believe that he was someone else, had sex with her and she enjoyed it, the whole situation would turn around once it was revealed that this person was not who she believed it to have been. In the movie, however, she fell in love with the person who'd fooled her. The audience was rooting for this guy, so it didn't come across as a rape, even though in the real world, it would have been. Fantasy is what we're talking about, or at least what I thought this thread was about.
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Never saw the movie.
 
Although I often think about what fun it would be to partake in a consensual, non-consensual role play type situation, I definitely sit on the side of engaging in consensual tickling. Taking things one step further though, I believe it important to discuss boundaries so that all those involved are are comfortable/informed and that things don't turn into a bad/non-consent situation.
 
xStrangesoundZx said:
So I am the only one genuinely bugged out by this thread?

Consent. I mean.... C'Mon Now!
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It's a semantics thing. People who say they like NC aren't saying they go around tickling random strangers and refusing to take a firm "no" as an answer. They're saying they like the fantasy of the person being tickled and not liking it. They're saying they like surprise tickling someone they have some sort of relationship with and making them laugh for a little bit. Think watching TV with your SO and when a commercial comes one you jump on top of them and tickle them senseless for a bit. You didn't ask permission. You just did it.

Most tickling outside of our world is NC. A lot of tickling in our world is NC too.

As one person put it: "Consensual Non-Consensual".
 
FootballGuy said:
It's a semantics thing. People who say they like NC aren't saying they go around tickling random strangers and refusing to take a firm "no" as an answer. They're saying they like the fantasy of the person being tickled and not liking it. They're saying they like surprise tickling someone they have some sort of relationship with and making them laugh for a little bit. Think watching TV with your SO and when a commercial comes one you jump on top of them and tickle them senseless for a bit. You didn't ask permission. You just did it.

Most tickling outside of our world is NC. A lot of tickling in our world is NC too.

As one person put it: "Consensual Non-Consensual".
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Exactly. I love the movie Diehard, doesn't mean I would enjoy being trapped barefoot in a tower full of terrorists.

You're right actually: most of the tickling that happens outside our community is non-con. I had never thought of it that way~
 
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