Tickle-Kill-Algorithm

mch5 · Apr 25, 2018

With time and understanding that 99.9% of the videos out there are... fake tickling,
I've learned to be a bit more flexible and a bit less picky.
If the video is produced well and the acting (yes its ACTING, no illusion there) is authentic enough,
I can definitely enjoy it!

That said, There is something that can instantly kill it and destroy the experience for me.
I call it it: THE TICKLE-KILL-ALGORITHM ! [i swear there was actually a real thunder right now ! creepy !]
Anyway, as a former computer geek, it sounds like a good name...

and it goes like this:

While being tickled. on feet (for example):
KEEP
Laughing
Until stopped being tickled.
BUT, on random occurrence:
Stop laughter
Look at the tickled spot. //as if to check if you are being tickled because obviously you don't feel a S**t!
Resume laughter.
End.

[Yes, I know, faulty syntax, 'BUT' block should be in 'KEEP' block, but this is not a computer sciences forum!]

So... have you noticed this annoying behavior which is in 99.9% of those 99.9% videos ?
What's Your Kill "switch" ?

veryTicklishLER · Apr 25, 2018

Yes, I agree. Another thing that tips off that it is fake and poor acting the the fact that the 'lee hardly ever pulls at the restraints or struggles in the bondage. Just laying there pretending to laugh and beg is poor acting and doesn't do it for me.

mch5 · Apr 25, 2018

I actually enjoy the "powerlss-submission", or atleast the tight restraints. but Yes, the 'lee should fight it at least at the beginning.

OmahaTickler · Apr 25, 2018

I call it "chaos theory," i.e., when the woman is tickled, her demeanor, twitching and giggles seem to be out of her control. You can tell if she's controlling the flow, i.e., faking. It's real, and chaotic, when she's uncontrollably twitching, giggling, shrieking and becoming a puddle. I can't explain how to tell. You have to see enough clips to spot it.

mch5 · Apr 25, 2018

OmahaTickler said:
I call it "chaos theory," i.e., when the woman is tickled, her demeanor, twitching and giggles seem to be out of her control. You can tell if she's controlling the flow, i.e., faking. It's real, and chaotic, when she's uncontrollably twitching, giggling, shrieking and becoming a puddle. I can't explain how to tell. You have to see enough clips to spot it.

Yep, It's hard to explain.
But in my case, a Silent laughter lover, it's even harder to spot because at that, silent point, she's powerless to fight and you must pay attention to those reflexes. and if there are none, it's a miserable fake indeed.

LeatherRebell · Apr 25, 2018

I'm not sure about this. I think there's a lot of videos where the lee is faking being ticklish but it's easier to spot than this. Fake laughter is extremely obvious and even some of the beast actors will tell you, convincingly laughing on cue is difficult. Especially the excessive laughter that tickling causes. We all know that porn stars and models don't make the best actors.

Is it that hard to believe that most videos just have genuinely ticklish people genuinely being tickled? Being ticklish is very common, most people are, so I don't think companies would have trouble finding ticklish models.

There is undoubtedly some videos where the model isn't ticklish but is very convincingly faking it, but I'd say it's very rare.

mch5 · Apr 25, 2018

LeatherRebell said:
Is it that hard to believe that most videos just have genuinely ticklish people genuinely being tickled? Being ticklish is very common, most people are, so I don't think companies would have trouble finding ticklish models.

There is undoubtedly some videos where the model isn't ticklish but is very convincingly faking it, but I'd say it's very rare.

Thing is, even the most or least authentically ticklish model wouldn't necessarily want to be truly tortured that way. so a less ticklish model would be preferable and so, such a model can fake it. Probably with studio corporation.

In fact, most of the "Tickling" being done in these videos, actually look very painful ! And pain is much more manageable.
My "favorite" example is the use of Hairbrush, it probably hurt!

Weak pain can be ignored and then act and fake laugh...
True Tickling sensation will fire up laughing and "fighting" reflexes, and you can't act or fake anything.

SoleMates · Apr 25, 2018

mch5 said:
Thing is, even the most or least authentically ticklish model wouldn't necessarily want to be truly tortured that way. so a less ticklish model would be preferable and so, such a model can fake it. Probably with studio corporation.

This is Kim. I don't need to say anything else other than this is Kim, she's done over a dozen videos for me, and she was just texting me yesterday about coming back because she owes me a favor.

This is Priti. I know the exact spots to get her to safeword in under a minute, and I have the video to prove it. Priti did close to ten videos for me, and was a private play partner for quite some time. She only stopped once the asshole she was dating found out and made her life hell over it.

This is Penelope. Penny's exact words - which I have on camera - to me about her shoot were, "This is weird - and I'm into it!".

This is Bri. She still tells me how much she can't wait to come back, and I literally tickled her to tears.

This is Mya. In "Fifteen Minutes of Fame", I tickled Mya to exhaustion. She vowed that she wouldn't safeword, and I wore her down until she couldn't take it anymore. Prior to becoming a tickle model, Mya was a submissive for a guy with a foot tickling fetish, and she told me she "loved the pain of laughing so hard".

In closing, get out of the house. Talk to actual women. Maybe go to a local gathering, where you may just meet actual, authentically ticklish women - some violently so - who can take it for hours. For free.

And if you think I'm bullshitting you, nearly everything I've said is right on film. I'll show the footage.

turtleboy · Apr 25, 2018

mch5 said:
Thing is, even the most or least authentically ticklish model wouldn't necessarily want to be truly tortured that way. so a less ticklish model would be preferable and so, such a model can fake it. Probably with studio corporation.

In fact, most of the "Tickling" being done in these videos, actually look very painful ! And pain is much more manageable.
My "favorite" example is the use of Hairbrush, it probably hurt!

Weak pain can be ignored and then act and fake laugh...
True Tickling sensation will fire up laughing and "fighting" reflexes, and you can't act or fake anything.

I've seen this kind of opinion expressed on this forum so many times and it never ceases to baffle me how anyone can reach this conclusion.

- Basically, you're saying that anyone who is actually ticklish must automatically hate and fear the experience so much that they would never subject themselves to it (for pay).
- When people in tickling videos appear to be ticklish they are actually in pain - because the brush seems like it would 'probably hurt'...and someone in being pain is somehow preferable to someone being ticklish.
- Studios prefer a less ticklish model that they then have to train to 'act ticklish' because this is somehow easier than simply hiring a ticklish person (of which there are many) and tickling them.

It's a bit like saying 'people who watch scary movies don't find them at all scary because if they did they would never watch them (even if they were paid to). Therefore, people who talk about having been scared by a movie are lying. They simply act scared to impress others.' See how stupid that sounds?

Yes the brush can hurt when it is used too hard, and on some people it hurts rather than tickles. On some people it doesn't have any effect, on some it feels nice, and for many it tickles...which is why it's used. Finding people to be tickled is not hard at all - people see tickling as fun. It's pleasurable torture - not the same as physical pain - and there are many more videos where models are whipped, abused or subjected to far more unpleasant treatments. Try watching a scat video or ballbusting...do you think they are faked too?

You miss the point that tickling is something that many people actually enjoy, even when they don't have the fetish. It's funny, intense, sometimes scary, sometimes torturous, and genuine laughter makes people's endorphins go crazy so that they actually feel great afterwards. You should try it some time instead of basing all of your opinions on some ideas you've formed based on whatever (limited) experience you have. Yes there are fake videos out there - mainly with over the top reactions, scripted begging and pleading etc...very often the models are ticklish but have to give certain reactions to meet requirements. These are usually done to satisfy a need that many tickle fans have to see videos with predictable reactions (e.g. the ones that you expect to see). Many of us don't make videos like that at all and the ones that do, do it because it's what people want - it sells. Perhaps you are watching the wrong videos to start with.

Diego · Apr 25, 2018

I agree, bad acting is terrible, such as when the lee says "not in my wrinkles" or " not the toies, please not the toes"

Lots of times the brush only hurts but so of course the victim seem desperate.
I love some feet tormnt, but mostly, hard brushes and combs aplied frantically at the soles will hurt. Its not tickling
I understand some people may like it

daddy · Apr 25, 2018

This thread is ridiculous - (my opinion) but just maybe I think that way because I actually go out and find ticklish women and have fun with them - and every-last-single-one of them reacts different then the other. Your 99.9% figure is so far from true and all I can think of is that none of the people (models...whatever you want to call them) being tickled is not reacting to what you yourself imagine in your head or your just being very unreasonable. Some of your listed "fake quirks" I have found quite the opposite...I will give you this...sure, there are the fakes and we each have our own opinions on what that is and who makes them and you actually probably get a mix from some producers who turn out both...who knows? But what I do know is that nobody on this planet has the insight to pass judgement saying 99.9% or even half of the stuff is fake. Like some of the producers say...they do it because it is their passion also so there is no logic in turning out fake material just from a selfish perspective of having a good time as well as making a good product. And obviously, it is not a get rich quick scam....I sure wouldn't be forking out $200 an hour to a non-ticklish person for my videos and then spend another 3 hours editing it and another 3 hours uploading and another 3 hours promoting it. It makes zero sense.

To stay on topic...the kill switch for me is when they are being tickled and have no reaction. And there ya go.

peace out,
daddy

LeatherRebell · Apr 25, 2018

mch5 said:
Thing is, even the most or least authentically ticklish model wouldn't necessarily want to be truly tortured that way. so a less ticklish model would be preferable and so, such a model can fake it. Probably with studio corporation.

In fact, most of the "Tickling" being done in these videos, actually look very painful ! And pain is much more manageable.
My "favorite" example is the use of Hairbrush, it probably hurt!

Weak pain can be ignored and then act and fake laugh...
True Tickling sensation will fire up laughing and "fighting" reflexes, and you can't act or fake anything.

Okay well I'll reiterate the first point that I made which I think is the more important one. Fake laughter is extremely obvious, sometimes even if you are a good actor. It's not like these less ticklish models are just lying there thinking of funny shit to make themselves laugh, or just trying to mimic the laughter of a genuinely ticklish person. You can tell when that's the case. The term 'porn-acting' exists for a reason, none of these people are trained actors who are going to be able to fake laugh convincingly for extended periods of time. If you're watching a tickle video, and the lee is actually convincing you that they're very ticklish, then 9 times out of then they probably are genuinely very ticklish.

And as for the point about it being torture that someone wouldn't want to put themselves through, I think someone else covered it better below but it's not necessarily that bad. Most ticklish people don't like being tickled but they associate it with being over-powered. In a situation like this, there's almost always a safeword involved and so they are in control of when the tickling can be stopped and as such they would be more comfortable. It's not like they're being pinned down by a clueless boyfriend who is just going to tickle them until they cry and ignore their pleas.

lioclips · Apr 26, 2018

I love these threads just for the pure comedic lunacy! Solemates, Turtleboy and Daddy always respond better than I have the energy to, so there's no need. I'll just relay an experience.

While at a tickle fetish event, I overheard a woman (in the lifestyle) declare how you could tell an obviously hired model/actress in a tickling video: "When they say 'that tickles!' No lee ever actually SAYS that!" And then not 10 minutes later, a super ticklish true lifestyle 'lee (who wasn't privy to the aforementioned declaration), was strapped down, and then heard howling "THAT TICKLES!" I looked over at the woman who'd made the statement and she was just in pure disbelief.

mch5 · Jul 10, 2018

Well, hello people, I'm back.

Let me be true here:
1. Yes, I admit, I do not have MUCH experience in the real world, due to physical limitations of sort.
2. I've watched a lot of videos. I've bought a lot of videos. I rarely see what I crave to see. But I am able to spot fakes.
3. There was few attempts to tickle ME with a hairbrush, in few ticklish spots. All failed, all hurted! Using myself as an experiment, brought me to my opinion on that "specific device".
4. I am a very ticklish person, I believe it's the reason I am always the 'ler. In fact I hate being tickled and try to avoid it at all costs.. which feels somewhat unfair because I love watching and tickling women to extreme.
5. Sorry if I've offended anyone, that was not my intent, though I still have my own opinions and point of view.

moose · Jul 10, 2018

I see threads like this all the time lol the best argument is if someone was really ticklish then they most likely wouldn't want to be strapped down and tickled for any period of time so the ones that can handle it or are not ticklish do it for the quick buck

OmahaTickler · Jul 10, 2018

Indeed, I don't understand this condescending attitude toward 'lees, as though only 'lers can truly be turned on by the experience----lees are merely "enduring" torture, and yet many lees on TMF threads have said, point blank, that they enjoy being tickled, have become orgasmic while being tickled, love being restrained, etc. This myth of the Reluctant Lee is about as insulting, I would think, as the old myth that women really don't enjoy sex.

sophilos · Jul 10, 2018

Genuine 'Lees

mch5 is not alone. To paraphrase David Brin, few of us ever get enough love. Here, mch5, we part ways.

I hesitate to disagree with any producer. I have opinions. Guys like UKTickling, SoleMates and daddy have facts born of wide experience.

If you follow Tommy (Tickle Abuse, of course) you know that a model often comes out of a session feeling very different from the woman she was. Sometimes it doesn't work out too well. But nobody fakes anything on Tickle Abuse. I believe that.

Obviously, ReyaFet enjoys the tickling, give or take, bound or free, nude or in costume. Add Nicki Lee Young, Catherine Foxxxxxx... and Rene Phoenix to the list.

On the other hand, Tay tickled one petite who screamed her head off throughout the video. So how do you tell?

I know what I like. I may have been fooled. If so, the video still gave me a good time. I can say as much for the situation comedy Mom, the original Top Gear, and Atomic Kitten's performance at PITP in 2002.

So a video doesn't reach me. That doesn't mean its fake.

RevyBL · Jul 10, 2018

To be honest I don't think most guys on tickling forums have a lot of experience with tickling outside of watching hours of videos. Whether it's believing that most women aren't ticklish and you'd be lucky to actually find a ticklish one, that attractive women aren't ticklish, blondes aren't ticklish, if a girl can get a pedicure she's not ticklish. It seems like if you're not screaming your head off or frantic while being tickled like women like Tasha or Carmen from TA then people come to the conclusion that the woman ether isn't ticklish or is faking.

OmahaTickler · Jul 10, 2018

RevyBL said:
To be honest I don't think most guys on tickling forums have a lot of experience with tickling outside of watching hours of videos. Whether it's believing that most women aren't ticklish and you'd be lucky to actually find a ticklish one, that attractive women aren't ticklish, blondes aren't ticklish, if a girl can get a pedicure she's not ticklish. It seems like if you're not screaming your head off or frantic while being tickled like women like Tasha or Carmen from TA then people come to the conclusion that the woman ether isn't ticklish or is faking.

If by "attractive," you mean 20-something model/actress types, then yes, I'm biased against them from the get-go because I believe they're only in it for the money to pursue their "legit" or at least better porn gigs. Sure, it's cynical and stereotypical, but I've seen too much fakery. Personally, in my entire life so far, I've had live tickling encounters with eight women, four of whom knew my fetish and all that goes with it. These weren't models in the conventional sense, but they were attractive to me, and for me, ticklishness is part of being attractive. The older women -- age 30 plus -- were much more ticklish and attractive than the younger ones, who seemed less comfortable with it all and more awkward. The same goes with videos. Older "mature" women seem liked they want to be touched/fondled/tickled more than younger models.

turtleboy · Jul 10, 2018

RevyBL said:
To be honest I don't think most guys on tickling forums have a lot of experience with tickling outside of watching hours of videos. Whether it's believing that most women aren't ticklish and you'd be lucky to actually find a ticklish one, that attractive women aren't ticklish, blondes aren't ticklish, if a girl can get a pedicure she's not ticklish. It seems like if you're not screaming your head off or frantic while being tickled like women like Tasha or Carmen from TA then people come to the conclusion that the woman ether isn't ticklish or is faking.

Yes!

I would also add a lot of tickling videos do feature acting on the part of the ler and the lee. I think a lot of people who spend a lot of time watching tickling vids like this end up with a skewed idea of what a real reaction is - hence, I sometimes get asked why my models don't say certain 'tickle vid' phrases. The reality is that I don't have any acting in my clips and that people just don't tend to say that stuff when they're being tickled (unless the producer has told them to)

E.g. 'wait! What are you doing? Please don't tickle me there...pleeeeaaaseee!' People being tickled just rarely say this stuff outside of a role-play situation but I do think many just assume that this is how a real reaction should be. You can't win whatever you do...someone will always come along with a thread like this and declare that it's all fake!

OmahaTickler said:
If by "attractive," you mean 20-something model/actress types, then yes, I'm biased against them from the get-go because I believe they're only in it for the money to pursue their "legit" or at least better porn gigs. Sure, it's cynical and stereotypical, but I've seen too much fakery. Personally, in my entire life so far, I've had live tickling encounters with eight women, four of whom knew my fetish and all that goes with it. These weren't models in the conventional sense, but they were attractive to me, and for me, ticklishness is part of being attractive. The older women -- age 30 plus -- were much more ticklish and attractive than the younger ones, who seemed less comfortable with it all and more awkward. The same goes with videos. Older "mature" women seem liked they want to be touched/fondled/tickled more than younger models.

Bear in mind that all models appearing in fetish videos are in it for the money whether they're attractive or not. There's a kind of mythology that certain well-known models are more 'real' and do it just for the lols, which is simply never the case - even if they engage with fans or post on here. They all have bills to pay at the end of the day. The fact that models get paid doesn't mean they don't enjoy the shoots though, or that they're not ticklish. In my experience, a lot of models enjoy these shoots far more than the more glamorous shoots, which may be a lot less fun.

mch5 · Jul 11, 2018

Interesting replies,
But I never said it's all fake. the 99% number, I've learned first here.

Though, I do insist, in my opinion and conclusion, that: If a lee can Pause her laughing/screaming and "take a look for a second" and then resuming facial response + laughing/screaming... Then - it's not real / not real enough for me !

I, personally, hate screaming, btw, because it reminds me too much of a rape (which, psychologically and logically is a fail since I DO want to tickle "torture" a lee "to death" just that she'll, afterwards, "magically" will get out of it totally unharmed)

turtleboy · Jul 11, 2018

mch5 said:
I, personally, hate screaming, btw, because it reminds me too much of a rape (which, psychologically and logically is a fail since I DO want to tickle "torture" a lee "to death" just that she'll, afterwards, "magically" will get out of it totally unharmed)

Ironically, that's a good example of a real reaction for many people - just not the one you want

That's the thing, people can react to tickling in a myriad of different ways, regardless of how ticklish they are. You can't manufacture the response you want/expect from someone just by tickling them more

Tidas · Jul 13, 2018

ITT: some seriously neckbeardy dudes. Y'all need some real-world experience. People are all different, and react differently to different things. If you try to put people into little boxes, trying to categorize them into what your expected outcomes and possibilities are, you're going to have a bad time. There are far too many variables for you to be able to sit behind a keyboard and determine things about a person from the probably three minutes you actually watch of a video. Go meet people. Lighten up Francis. If you are talking about algorithms for when you stop jacking off to a video, you are WAY too invested in porn.

oldgeezer · Jul 13, 2018

99.9 % fake? I think if it was your goal to find only people that aren't ticklish you would have a a difficult time.
It is probably easy to exaggerate but 100% faking not as easy or nearly as common as 99.9%.

Why stop at 99.9%? Why not just say 100%?
How about saying there is no such thing as being ticklish.
Anyone that appears to be ticklish is faking because there is not such thing.
Is actually more believable than 99.9% faking.
Who are the 0.1% of the ticklish models?
Who are 99.9% pretending to act like?
Maybe if the 99.9 knew who the 0.1% were they could do a better job imitating them.

Do you mean 99.9% out of 100%?
Are you one of those people who believe you should give 110%, or 200%, or maybe even 1000%.

mch5 · Jul 19, 2018

turtleboy said:
Ironically, that's a good example of a real reaction for many people - just not the one you want That's the thing, people can react to tickling in a myriad of different ways, regardless of how ticklish they are. You can't manufacture the response you want/expect from someone just by tickling them more

Well.. Yeah... but I'm into it mostly because of the Laughing / Laughing-related reactions.

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