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"Fake models" bullshit

SoleMates

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Hi. People keep saying that we, as producers, hire "less ticklish models" or "fakes" - and while it's true that some do, you'd think the ones that point out that they don't would get some kind of traction, or at least word of mouth that hey, these guys are genuine and you should go check them out. But, that doesn't happen. What does happen is people stay autistically focused on the top ten studios and rage about the entire industry - which consists of thousands of studios - as if it's somehow represented by these guys.

But, I digress. It has been pointed out to me that everyone says they have the most ticklish models ever, so why should anyone listen? And it's a fair point. We can't prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt - at least, until someone invents a way to read minds - so the best we can do is offer up footage that - we hope - proves our point.

Here's mine. This is Priti, a model I worked with in 2015 or so. Or was it 14? I'm old, I forget. Anyway, Priti was the kind of model I really thought would take off, and would become the next It Girl of the tickling scene. Well, her and Kim. I felt so strongly about it that I got the two of them together for an F/F shoot - my second ever, and one I shouldn't have actually done given how badly my first one bombed. But anyway, Priti had it all - she was gorgeous, adorable, smart, and dear GOD was she ticklish. I've said in the past that I knew exactly how to get her to safeword in less than thirty seconds, and I had the video to prove it.

This is that video.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph590bd2d068b6c

I have a lot of footage like this; I often don't edit the safewords out of my clips so you can actually see the models use them, adding what - I assume - would be an air of authenticity to the action. Don't believe me? The video "Thirty Seconds of Safewords" has been on my PornHub channel for quite some time.

And yet, day in and day out, people keep coming here and saying "hurr durr fakes". So, here's my thread to disprove that.

And, assuming I bother to stick around after this, every time someone claims we're all tricking you, I'm going to link to it.

"But Arch, why? What do you hope to prove?"

What I would like to happen, is for people to finally acknowledge some of the wonderful girls I've worked with, who - in some cases, literally - suffered for your enjoyment and (in nearly all cases) enjoyed every minute of it. And, y'know, buy their videos so that I can keep finding these gems and bringing them to you.

But, what I most likely expect will actually happen, is that I get a run on views on the video (which are tracked, thank you PornHub) and see no store traffic, uptick in sales, or even positive acknowledgement in this thread. (I fully expect it to turn into a bunch of trolls telling me off for reasons). And I can link to that as proof that the naysayers are full of shit - because I've said in the past that I put the stuff they claim to want right in front of their faces and they just ignore it in favor of continuing to bitch.

So please. Watch the link above, and come back here to tell me we're "acting". I can't wait.

Arch
 
Hi. People keep saying that we, as producers, hire "less ticklish models" or "fakes"
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people stay autistically focused on the top ten studios and rage about the entire industry
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people keep coming here and saying "hurr durr fakes". So, here's my thread to disprove that.

You acknowledged those complaints are about top 10 studios. If people aren't calling out SoleMates, why be bothered?

Do you somehow feel personally targeted by those generalized complaints? Does that generalization costs you sales?

Is the underlying frustration that most people don't buy porn, instead settling for inferior-but-free pirated material from the top ten? Or is there a grievance about some of the top 10 not deserving their success? (Maybe a marketing gap?)

What I would like to happen, is for people to finally acknowledge some of the wonderful girls I've worked with, who - in some cases, literally - suffered for your enjoyment and (in nearly all cases) enjoyed every minute of it. And, y'know, buy their videos so that I can keep finding these gems and bringing them to you.

You've probably worked with a bunch of wonderful girls. Producer discussions about sales figures suggest the majority of people resort to free ways to rub one out, rather than buying their videos. If higher quality porn is a luxury, then cost might be the primary barrier, not taste.

(And yes, people will still bitch even about free things.)

Did videos like your 14 minute best of 2015 video bring in any meaningful ad revenue? Have you experimented to assess whether there's a viable, alternative business model, rather than the usual c4s route?

Consider that people who haven't heard of you won't find videos titled "SOLE MATES' BEST OF 2015 - FULL VIDEO." I saw less than 750 views on it. You probably need to include "tickling" as a keyword. And it'll probably have to be paired with other things like the name of a bodypart or other things would-be customers (who haven't heard of you) are looking for.

You might need to borrow some techniques from the SEO situation you see going on on YouTube (title and thumbnail optimization, catering video length to maximize placement on any relevant search display algorithms, etc.). I assume PornHub has a way less aggressive[ly funded] team counteracting those tactics than YouTube, so even somewhat old tech should give you an advantage on PH.
 
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I want to ask you something. Not a shot, not a trap, but I want to hear your honest opinion on this;

Where do you believe you rank with the rest of these studios?
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I love this clip! That girl is indeed adorable. Her abs in particular are to die for :wub:

This is pretty much what you get when you tickle my wife's feet :D And I agree with you, the whole "models are faking it" thing is ridiculous. I can understand the frustration though (been there) when it is really blatant, but I find those to be the exception rather than the norm.

I want to ask you something. Not a shot, not a trap, but I want to hear your honest opinion on this;

Where do you believe you rank with the rest of these studios?
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Wait, what is that? The Last Laugh is in the top ten??? And it ranks above Czech Tickling? Well, I'll be damned! Congratulations to Quebec's best (and as far as I know, only) tickling studio! :xpulcy:
 
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The way i've always looked at things with this is who cares what's "real" and what's "fake"? If it's acted well, it does the job for me. After all, what I think a lot forget is that this is just our version of porn/jack off material. Everyone has their preferences in how they like it, what gets them off, etc.

And sadly, as with any media today (porn, music, movies), because of this both curse and gift called the internet, it's killing sales revenue for all kinds of entertainment media, except the big corporations. But none the less, you have an obvious great passion at what you do making the fetish videos, and that's a quality you don't see much now days. So you have my respect for that :) Keep doing what you do. Some will dig it, some won't. But it doesn't matter. As long as YOU are happy with your work and SOME like it.
 
You acknowledged those complaints are about top 10 studios. If people aren't calling out SoleMates, why be bothered?

Do you somehow feel personally targeted by those generalized complaints? Does that generalization costs you sales?

Is the underlying frustration that most people don't buy porn, instead settling for inferior-but-free pirated material from the top ten? Or is there a grievance about some of the top 10 not deserving their success? (Maybe a marketing gap?)



You've probably worked with a bunch of wonderful girls. Producer discussions about sales figures suggest the majority of people resort to free ways to rub one out, rather than buying their videos. If higher quality porn is a luxury, then cost might be the primary barrier, not taste.

(And yes, people will still bitch even about free things.)

Did videos like your 14 minute best of 2015 video bring in any meaningful ad revenue? Have you experimented to assess whether there's a viable, alternative business model, rather than the usual c4s route?

Consider that people who haven't heard of you won't find videos titled "SOLE MATES' BEST OF 2015 - FULL VIDEO." I saw less than 750 views on it. You probably need to "tickling" as a keyword. And it'll probably have to be paired with other things like the name of a bodypart or other things would-be customers (who haven't heard of you) are looking for.

You might need to borrow some techniques from the SEO situation you see going on on YouTube (title and thumbnail optimization, catering video length to maximize placement on any relevant search display algorithms, etc.). I assume PornHub has a way less aggressive[ly funded] team counteracting those tactics than YouTube, so even somewhat old tech should give you an advantage on PH.

Agreed.

Nice video, but if I'm searching with keywords like "tickling", "torture" etc, then I'm unlikely to find your video. I consider that I've seen a huge amount of tickling vids on PH, and I haven't seen any of your stuff.
 
Wait, what is that? The Last Laugh is in the top ten???

Really? That's surprising. But it's most likely just a temporarily fluke. I've released a few clips recently, which seems to have boosted my position. But I expect my store will go back down the list very quickly.

I'm afraid that the fact that my store went up in the top 10 (if only briefly) doesn't say much about the commercial success of tickling video companies on C4S. I typically only make a few hundred dollars a month. April has been significantly better than average, but we're still only talking a number in the 3 digits. If that's all it takes to get in the top 10, that's kind of depressing. I didn't realize it was that bad.

Of course, some of the bigger producers have their own websites, so the C4S rankings don't tell the whole story by any means.
 
Really? That's surprising. But it's most likely just a temporarily fluke. I've released a few clips recently, which seems to have boosted my position. But I expect my store will go back down the list very quickly.

I'm afraid that the fact that my store went up in the top 10 (if only briefly) doesn't say much about the commercial success of tickling video companies on C4S. I typically only make a few hundred dollars a month. April has been significantly better than average, but we're still only talking a number in the 3 digits. If that's all it takes to get in the top 10, that's kind of depressing. I didn't realize it was that bad.

Of course, some of the bigger producers have their own websites, so the C4S rankings don't tell the whole story by any means.

If that is true, it is indeed kinda depressing. But still, congrats to you! Your studio was a pioneer in our little community.

So much for the guy who was assuring me that "the top ten studio owners are all millionaires" the other day :D
 
Good questions/comments all around. I'll address them as best I can.

If people aren't calling out SoleMates, why be bothered?

"It's complicated". People obviously aren't calling out Sole Mates - they're calling out the two or three studios that they can be bothered to watch. And I've spoken at length about that before. What I've said was - and to this day nobody has answered me - "with over three thousand studios on Clips4Sale alone, why are you raging over a specific studio not being up to snuff and simply buying from the ones who are?"

These "customers" aren't asking for anything amazing. They want "real tickling" from "genuine girls next door" - so you can imagine my confusion when I produce exactly that, and in a lot of cases point them directly to it, only to have it completely ignored and the complaining start up again next week (usually from different people, granted, but there are a few broken records here that I'm convinced are autistic at this point) as if nothing ever happened. I can link you to threads where people went nuts over a model I worked with and begged me for specific kinds of clips from her, only to disappear into the wind when I produced them on their request. I can also link you to threads where I've slashed prices and offered coupons or free content in response to people complaining other producers' prices were too high that were met entirely with crickets - and the rare person who claimed their coupons never used them.

Do you somehow feel personally targeted by those generalized complaints?

I probably shouldn't. I mean, looking at it objectively, apart from one guy (whose criticism was constructive, if a bit confusing), I've never actually had anyone talk bad about my store. But I've been putting my content in front of people for five years now, showing it to them and saying "hey, you don't like those guys? try this". And it goes completely unnoticed. (I didn't used to be this cranky. Honest.) I honestly would consider it a moral victory if someone - anyone - would say "okay, you know what? You're right, you do good stuff. I'm going to buy from you from now on." Not for the money, but just to know I finally got through to someone.

Does that generalization costs you sales?

It's hard to say. I think overall it costs all of us sales, but I already make so little money doing this that I couldn't tell you.

Is the underlying frustration that most people don't buy porn, instead settling for inferior-but-free pirated material from the top ten?

Maybe? I definitely think that's part of it. I find it really hard to believe that all the people here crying about bad clips are watching them for free... and if they are, they can fuck right off. Piracy is a discussion for another day, though. I've given my opinion on the topic plenty before.

I think the actual problem is so many people saying they would buy content - or used to - if producers would just... I don't know, something. That's the kicker, everyone wants something different. The main themes definitely seem to be "real tickling, real girls"... which, as I pointed out not too long ago to some guy who thought he had a brilliant and original business plan simply because he was going to do that - is basically what everybody's doing.

Or is there a grievance about some of the top 10 not deserving their success? (Maybe a marketing gap?)

Nah. Let me be clear, I don't begrudge any of those guys their success. Whether they got in on the ground floor and are now too big to fail, or otherwise were able to figure out the "it" formula that lets them enjoy the kind of success that causes people here to laser-focus on their content to the exclusion of all else, it doesn't matter. They deserve kudos for managing to "win" in this environment.

What I do have a problem with is studios that very clearly do things that people insist are the reason why my studio is struggling, or otherwise ignore the "magic formula" that everyone claims studios must follow, and succeed in spite of it despite not being particularly noteworthy, IMHO. How often do we hear things like video quality, lighting, etc. being just as important as the tickling? How many successful studios record their footage on a potato or don't even show the girl's face? Yes, I admit that when that happens, when a new studio appears to be doing well by either doing skeevy things like plying a model with alcohol or just randomly grabbing girls off the street, while I'm still struggling, yes; that bothers me. When I do take the effort to produce a video that takes all of those things into account, only to have it do no better than the one-and-dones I shot on a whim, I wonder why I bother.

Sorry, didn't mean for that to be a novel.

If higher quality porn is a luxury, then cost might be the primary barrier, not taste.

Is this where I go on and on about all of my videos that cost less than $5, the endless 50/75/90% off sales I've done, the coupons, and all the other ways I've tried to get people to buy? Sure, I can see not being able to afford a bunch of $20 videos but I have tons of cheap stuff on my store. A lot of producers do. And again, there's the rub (pun intended) - all of this stuff is OUT THERE. I get your point about SEO but I've literally pointed people directly to clips in niches they were asking for only to have them disappear.

That said, SEO;

Did videos like your 14 minute best of 2015 video bring in any meaningful ad revenue?

No. And you know why? Because, uh, we don't get any of PornHub's ad revenue unless we're verified sellers. How do we become verified sellers? You need a minimum of two pieces of ID for everyone who appears on camera in every clip you post. US law, AFAIK, only requires one piece of ID, so that's what I've been collecting from my girls - and I didn't know about PornHub's requirements until I signed up there. I have five years' worth of completely unmonetizable backlog. Can I do that going forward? Sure, but the ad revenue is still really tiny until you start getting in the millions of views. As you can see, I'm... not quite there yet.

Have you experimented to assess whether there's a viable, alternative business model, rather than the usual c4s route?

A few times, yes. Then again, so have we all. New forms of monetization are currently something the industry as a whole is trying to figure out, because the current ones don't work anymore for the bulk of us. Thing is, tickling's a niche and people would rather throw money directly at the models than us as producers at this point. Thirsty dudes are paying some chick $100 for a pair of socks and I can't move a $2 clip. lol

You probably need to include "tickling" as a keyword. And it'll probably have to be paired with other things like the name of a bodypart or other things would-be customers (who haven't heard of you) are looking for.

As good an idea as this is, you unfortunately don't know how Pornhub's keyword and tagging system works. You can select a total of two categories for your video - categories that PornHub provides, not you. "Feet" is one, and so I did. "Tickling" is not, so I can't. I usually put them under "Fetish", but I don't see it on there so I must've forgotten.

However, you can tag your video for search terms, which is not immediately obvious because you need to click the + button and expand the list (it's hidden by default, so I guarantee you didn't see it when you went and checked out the video. Thanks, btw). Here are the search tags for my "Best of 2015" video;

Tags: kink, foot fetish, foot tickling, foot tickle torture, asian feet, asian tickle torture, goth, goth tickle, ticklish girl, cute ticklish girl, tickling, tickling feet, ticklish, ticklish feet, very ticklish feet, very ticklish girl

As you can see, they're there. You also only get a maximum of 14, so you really have to juggle the dozen or so different ways that people search for "tickling" as best you can, while trying to cover every niche in the video as well. And I think that PornHub automatically jams "kink" in there, so you only get 13.

Now, on to ComfortEagle;

Where do you believe you rank with the rest of these studios?

A good question. I certainly give the impression that I think I should be up there myself, don't I? It's not true, though. My honest answer is that I think I'm better than a couple of them, and not as good as others. There's at least one studio that used to be in the top ten that is no longer there that I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out what the appeal was.

That said, I don't care if I'm in the top ten. If you were to ask me what I wanted out of my studio, right now, at this very moment, the answer would be for at least a fraction of the thousands of people who have consumed my material, and often offer very favorable feedback on it... to buy something. I posted a 30 second clip of Sora Morbid to my Instagram over the weekend. It's gotten nearly 2,000 views and 120 likes, which is a record for my content. Sora is currently one of the worst-selling models in my roster. Explain that to me, hey? What about you, Tenebrae? You always have a kind word to say about my participation here, you mentioned in a recent thread you buy videos, have you ever actually bought a clip from my store? I don't mean to make an example of you, but you're here and it would totally prove my point. And if I'm wrong, and you have, PM me and I'll send you some free content. I probably have some unreleased outtakes you'd like.

The other thing I would like, is for at least one of these fools that I've directly confronted about their trolling/hot air/whatever to actually engage me and address the points I raise. They don't. I know that's a pipe dream, but still.

How is this helping your business?

WHAT business? Haven't you been paying attention? Whether I'm nice to people or very, very cranky affects my bottom line none at all - and I've been both over the years. Don't give me that "oh, you'd totally be swimming in it if you were just a little nicer" nonsense, because it wasn't true for any other producer over the years and it's not true for me now. Yaqi regularly insulted this entire forum and still had people begging him to come back and release new videos every few months. Some of you poke and poke and poke and then when we lose our cool point the finger and go "aha! I knew it! I'm definitely not buying from you now!" when you never did in the first place. You're not fooling anyone.

I consider that I've seen a huge amount of tickling vids on PH, and I haven't seen any of your stuff.

That's disappointing, given that I do tag things - but on the rare occasions that I do run searches myself, the first ten to fifteen pages are pirated clips from big studios. I can see how I'd get lost in that shuffle. Who goes fifteen pages back when Priya's on page one? (God, I miss her.) That said, I've been pretty active here on the TMF since 2013. You've never seen my posts or previews here?

In closing... honestly, it's not about me. I've worked with some fantastic girls that should have broken this place wide open. I'm disappointed that they didn't. Even now, Priti's clip only has an extra 200 or so views and no additional sales. That's all.

Thanks,
Arch
 
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I've said in the past that I knew exactly how to get her to safeword in less than thirty seconds, and I had the video to prove it.

This is that video.

Suggestion: Find out if there's a price you could pay her to agree to a no safe word session of a fixed length of time. She's an adult and has the absolute right to consent to that. If she did, you just might have a mega-hit of a video on your hands.
Just an idea for you. Good luck.
 
Suggestion: Find out if there's a price you could pay her to agree to a no safe word session of a fixed length of time. She's an adult and has the absolute right to consent to that. If she did, you just might have a mega-hit of a video on your hands.
Just an idea for you. Good luck.
Yeah, as someone wrote, F... safewords! haha :)
 
Suggestion: Find out if there's a price you could pay her to agree to a no safe word session of a fixed length of time. She's an adult and has the absolute right to consent to that. If she did, you just might have a mega-hit of a video on your hands.
Just an idea for you. Good luck.

That's not an option. Priti left the fetish business due to personal reasons, and I haven't so much as texted her in three years. In addition, her videos did not turn a profit so throwing more money at her is not going to help.

That said, I have done no-safeword videos (purely by accident) with Kim, one of our other most popular models; "No Safeword, No Mercy" I & II. They did respectably, not but well enough for me to throw a blank check at a model so I can torture her above and beyond. Safewords really are overrated, though - I mean, I won't work without one for safety's sake (especially with a new model) but overall the 'Mates tend to avoid calling it for as long as possible so we get a good clip. This is yet another reason why this bullshit about fakers pisses me off; Dr. Elle was a legit mess when we were done, and she's far from the only one. Hell, Mya had a safeword and still held out for fifteen minutes at a pop. She had to towel off between takes, she was sweating so hard.

THAT said, Kim owes me a few favors and has agreed to some free shoots, and now that I have better cuffs I'm definitely going to do some better upper-body stuff with her than I did last time. Scheduling is proving an issue, though.

Honestly though, I think I'm just about done. I only released like four videos this year and none of them sold. I know I said I was gonna finish releasing my backlog but I can't really see the point.

I should probably add "do this thing similar to something you've already done that I don't know about, it'll be a hit (even though that other thing wasn't)" to the Sole Mates drinking game...
 
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