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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by turtleboy View Post
    Yes but no one's talking selling tickling clips to the entire world population. I don't really get your point to be honest. I mentioned earlier in this thread that tickling is relatively niche when compared to some of the more well-known fetishes, but the fact is that porn and fetish porn generally are heavily in demand and have a huge potential market.

    Your comments seem to suggest that there is no market for tickling producers and people should therefore give up on trying to make any kind of living (or even any money at all) from producing clips. You backed that up by suggesting that clips4sale gets hardly any traffic. As I pointed out, that site gets huge loads of traffic, and even tickling stores get a lot of visitors every day...and yes many of us do earn a living from it. There are plenty of potential customers out there, it's just a shame that many are being steered towards tube sites instead. It's the smaller and newer stores that suffer the most from this.
    And yet you ignore that maybe there's some people out there that don't know or give two shits about the TMF and get interested via fetlife or tube sites. Honestly I don't think that there's enough of "us" out there to sustain a market unless we try to actually appeal to a tube market. We're the underground fetish (one of many). Pioneers don't make a lot of money, they make gains in their art/ message.
    Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    A couple of things to add…

    With only a hundred thousand or so tickle videos having been released and at least several dozens of possible tickling scenarios why does it seem producers are repeating the same scenarios.
    When I find a model that I enjoy, I don’t care if she’s been in 20 – 30 videos, I want more.
    If she’s retired bring her back I don’t care if it’s been 5 years and she’s moved on.

    On the other hand if I have see a model more than a dozen times and she still does not suit my taste, why do you keep using her?
    Get someone new. If I’m not a fan I can’t imagine other people are buying her videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Eagle View Post
    ... seriously?
    Solipsism is a helluva drug.

    Quote Originally Posted by oldgeezer
    On the other hand if I have see a model more than a dozen times and she still does not suit my taste, why do you keep using her?
    Get someone new. If I’m not a fan I can’t imagine other people are buying her videos.
    Case in point. You JUST answered your own question. Sometimes I wonder if half of you even think through what you’re typing.

    Producers use scenarios and models that are making money. Clearly I don’t like Octopus but I’m in the minority on that one but I’m not sitting here wondering why he exists like you obviously are. Maybe those models you don't like vastly outsold the ones that did and you’re just too closed-minded to understand that. I mean, baby oil and hairbrushes disgust me but you don’t see me sitting here wondering why videos are full of them and accusing producers of being idiots insisting on putting out videos that “nobody” (IE, me) likes. Use your fucking brains, people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Eagle View Post
    ... seriously?
    I like that studio too. They had this one girl on their named Honey and I was literally about to buy the upper body video they made of her but I didn't have the money at the time. They took that video down literally a day before I was about to purchase it.

    I am going to assume that that particular model changed her mind about the whole tickling thing and she asked that studio to take down her videos. It's a shame too. She is hot.

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    "Solipsism is a helluva drug."
    "Case in point. You JUST answered your own question. Sometimes I wonder if half of you even think through what you’re typing."



    It appears my attemp at being facetious and point out the OP as practicing Solipsism have failed.

    At least I learned a new word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Comfort Eagle View Post
    ... seriously?
    There's a reason Octopus is where they are and Solemates guy is where he is...his reasoning here is illuminating.
    Quote Originally Posted by chicago View Post
    I am going to label myself Cleopatra Queen of the Nile. If I make a video about it, it will equal truth.
    There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoleMates View Post
    Solipsism is a helluva drug.



    Case in point. You JUST answered your own question. Sometimes I wonder if half of you even think through what you’re typing.

    Producers use scenarios and models that are making money. Clearly I don’t like Octopus but I’m in the minority on that one but I’m not sitting here wondering why he exists like you obviously are. Maybe those models you don't like vastly outsold the ones that did and you’re just too closed-minded to understand that. I mean, baby oil and hairbrushes disgust me but you don’t see me sitting here wondering why videos are full of them and accusing producers of being idiots insisting on putting out videos that “nobody” (IE, me) likes. Use your fucking brains, people.
    I don't think you're intending to come across condescending, but with your... approach to this conversion I feel like maybe you might do well with an alternative viewpoint.

    I've followed you and your output for a while now and I've always pulled for you, though I don't go the full "producer" route I make my own stuff and I understand the issues involved with trying to create content. Over the years I've made mentions of you updating certain technical aspects, maybe rethinking some blocking, things like this. I've watched as other people have given you similar advice. I have never seen you receive this advice with anything short of immediate, usually straight up indignant dismissal of the advice. When the discussion of the "stagnation of the medium" comes up, much like it is now, you're the first to pipe up complaining. When you talk about the traffic you think you're owed, you instantly point to your social media followers, apparently not realizing all of us that have these accounts have roughly amount of traffic on them (not even considering how many of those people are teenagers with the apps who probably couldn't and wouldn't buy tickleporn in the first place...) and not seeming to consider that those platforms probably shouldn't be used to gauge your genuine fanbase considering how big re-hosting/"tickle general" accounts are.

    You state over and over again you have no delusions of grandeur, or that you assume you're better than other studios. But time and time again you make it apparent you really do think you're consistently turning out gold and are baffled that it's not moving hundreds of copies, and you're clearly frustrate that your audience is apparently failing you by not keeping you profitable. If this isn't the case, then I'm not sure how you can't realize how your repeated frustrations are being perceived by people. Again let me be very clear, I'm well aware of the idea that you're going to work on some material and try to at least break even on it only to have it not quite play out the way you expected it to. However I want you to look at what I did with production, and then go back and read what I've written about how you've approached "evolving" or your response to criticism or advice. Go back and look at the newer studios that are doing better than you and compare their earliest stuff to what they do now.

    I'm sincerely asking, without any intended sarcasm or attack; how long can it be literally everyone else's fault except your own that you're not where you feel you deserve to be in the pecking order?
    Quote Originally Posted by AdmiralBeatty View Post
    LOL dude. I've tickled nearly 300 women. I think I would know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoleMates View Post
    Really? The only ones I've ever heard admit that they do are you, Sidious, and Tommy. Last Laugh (I think? I'd have to go back and check) said that even when he broke the Top 10 on Clips4Sale he only got a few extra hundred a month. I mean, I live in California. I'd have to clear three grand in sales just to pay my rent.

    I think you're assuming everyone gets the same traffic and throughput that you do. I certainly don't. My store gets as many hits in a month as you get in a day in spite of my Preview threads here getting thousands of views. Even when I was advertising on the sidebar it didn't bring in that kind of traffic.

    Now, you could totally say "has it occurred to you that your stuff just isn't any good?", but I'd offer two points to counter that. One, that as people keep pointing out, tickling is a niche, limited market. If people are spending all of their money at your studio, they're not going to buy from anyone else. Two, I have nearly a thousand followers on Instagram. People who are obsessed enough with my stuff to Like every post I make, and in some cases go back and Like all six hundred posts in my history, or send me creepy messages, or any number of a hundred other things. I'm pretty sure that unless these people are complete idiots, there is enough of a quality to my material to engage users. If it wasn't any good, this wouldn't be happening. And yet, none of these people think it'd be a good idea to drop me a fiver every once in a while. If even ten percent of my Instagram followers bought one clip a month my sales would skyrocket over a hundredfold.

    I mean, I've literally produced the exact content that people posted on this forum that they wanted to see, and pointed those people directly to it and they still didn't buy it. I can show you the threads and the sales figures to back that up, too.

    But yeah, maybe my stuff's just crap and these guys'll Like anything with toes in it. All the more reason for me to pack it in and call it a day. But I still think you, turtleboy, have a skewed idea of what it's like to operate in today's market. You got in on the ground floor and built a customer base when your only competition was Jeff, Elliot, and that chick who ran Solefully Yours and since people would rather cut off an arm than try something new, they'll be your customers until the end of time.
    Ok. I get that you struggle with sales and that's clearly a sore point. I'm not going to get in to the ins and outs of why that is the case since I genuinely don't know what's going on with your store. I would however, point out that the reverse is also true - i.e. don't assume that because you're finding it hard to drum up business that everyone else has the same experience. Sure, lots of new stores struggle for lots of different reasons but others flourish. I'll be honest, I don't buy clips and I really don't pay close attention to what goes on with other producers (not because I don't like them, but because I really just stick to doing my own thing). I have noticed other guys pop up and seem to do well though - Tickle Room, the Russian tickling guy, Tickle Therapy. They all seem to have established themselves and stuck around. I'm sure there are others that I'm not aware of.

    A number of other producers have been around for years and are still staying up there too - Tickle Abuse, FTKL, James Darke, French Tickling, Tickling Submission etc. Tickle Intensive was very popular when he was putting out clips (I think he's stopped?) The point is, probably all of those stores are making a living out of it, and many others besides. Bear in mind that some of us run membership sites too and/or have other stores too and that also factors into how producers make money. C4S is a big site but member sites and business from customs also plays a part - it's all part of the same business at the end of the day.

    As for my store. I'm not the dinosaur that you clearly think I am, since I came around wayyy after all of those guys you mentioned! I actually started making clips years after Real Tickling, Tickle Abuse, JD, Czech/Tickling Submission, Stryker, French Tickling, The Last Laugh, Tickle Central etc. Those stores and many other were well established, and there was plenty of competition. I simply didn't see other stores as competition since I wasn't setting out to be like them or to make the same amount of money (I never intended to do this full time). I will admit that I was lucky to be based in the UK and able to present models that weren't in tickling videos - that was my purpose from the word go. Like everyone though, I had to build it gradually from scratch. And like most producers I was running a very amateur operation when I started. I could only shoot one model a month back then - and I had a full time job too! I've had to introduce every single girl I've worked with to the world of tickling and it hasn't always been easy. I've taken quite a few risks, a few heavy losses and pumped large amounts of money and time into it...but it's also been a blast!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgeezer View Post
    A couple of things to add…

    With only a hundred thousand or so tickle videos having been released and at least several dozens of possible tickling scenarios why does it seem producers are repeating the same scenarios.
    I think you kind of answered your own question here. I.e. with a hundred thousand or so tickle vids out there and only a few dozen potential scenarios, wouldn't you expect some repetition?


    Quote Originally Posted by oldgeezer View Post
    When I find a model that I enjoy, I don’t care if she’s been in 20 – 30 videos, I want more.
    If she’s retired bring her back I don’t care if it’s been 5 years and she’s moved on.

    On the other hand if I have see a model more than a dozen times and she still does not suit my taste, why do you keep using her?
    Get someone new. If I’m not a fan I can’t imagine other people are buying her videos.
    The problem is that other people will have a completely different view of which models are great should be brought back. If you're not a fan, someone else may be and the girl that you think is amazing may not actually sell that well.
    Check the UK Tickling Store for the latest releases!

    WWW.UKTICKLING.COM
    The Membership Site features all new unseen clips, pics and extras!!


    Check out the updates/forthcoming shoots thread

    ...follow us on TWITTER too!

    Nylon and Foot Fetish clips at www.uknylontease.com and www.ukfoottease.com now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoleMates View Post

    But, you wanna talk about taste being subjective? Comfort Eagle's been mentioning Octopus a few times now as a new guy that's doing okay, so I went and checked his studio out. Of all the creepy, cheaply-produced, skeevy crap I've ever seen, that's some of the worst. I wouldn't pay that guy a dime for his content. But, that said, I'm not the kind of narcissistic asshole
    Um, yeah you are. You're the exact kind of narcissistic asshole. Doesn't matter what you spew after. Keep convincing yourself that other producers do better than you because they're "cheap/creepy".

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgeezer View Post
    A couple of things to add…

    With only a hundred thousand or so tickle videos having been released and at least several dozens of possible tickling scenarios why does it seem producers are repeating the same scenarios.
    When I find a model that I enjoy, I don’t care if she’s been in 20 – 30 videos, I want more.
    If she’s retired bring her back I don’t care if it’s been 5 years and she’s moved on.

    On the other hand if I have see a model more than a dozen times and she still does not suit my taste, why do you keep using her?
    Get someone new. If I’m not a fan I can’t imagine other people are buying her videos.
    If it was that easy to get the models to come back from video retirement I think all producers would have done so. I think they are smart enough to realize and some have even been wiped out because of it: Popular Models leaving is one of the major reasons of loss of revenues.

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