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Proof the video industry is suffering

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I've been watching videos since 2005.

2018 has been a terrible year for the clip industry.

An example I can give is that I've been watching videos on pornhub since 2013 (verified my join date just before making this post). I also buy a lot from clips4sale.com & iwantclips.com, with my last purchase coming in October 2017.

Back to pornhub, i've only really watched clips 1 particular way. No searches or anything like that. But there is 1 user who I monitor there in terms of his "Watched Videos". My routine would be that when i log in, I head straight to his "watched videos" and not 1 day passes where he hasn't watched around 20-25 high quality clips. He joined before I did so this has been the case ever since I started browsing that website and caught on that this was a user who watched the best/newest stuff out there, every day, any day, which saved me the hassle of searching and browsing playlists and so on and so forth.

Now like clockwork, I began noticing a trend where for the past couple of months the guy watches 3 clips per day max, most of them old ones he previously watched. He still logs on daily, but the dude has run out of material to watch and it's hilarious. This is a dude i've been shadowing for 5 years, haven't even friended him or sent him a message, and I sent him 1 the other day that reads: "come on dude, you're slacking. why are your watched videos crappy recently". He replied "can't find any good stuff anymore"
 
For me if the lee laugh is real enough for me to believe they are getting tickle tortured then i can watch it overnight and over for me it seems loke the model is forcing a laugh and it just doesnt work for me
 
Part of the problem is that studios are slowly themselves fading away, for one reason or another.

You have to keep in mind that producers are getting tired of fighting all of their shit getting posted on PornHub all the time, which makes it hard to truly profit on the stuff. I mean, I don't know what you consider "a lot" but not buying since October of 2017 while still watching the free stuff is proof of that point.

Another problem is that the content itself is getting repetitive. 90% of the time it's 1 girl tickling another, both in sexy bikinis (or the lee nude), with the ler just brutalizing the lee, the laughter normally forced. Nobody really does any of the more playful stuff anymore (except that guy at French tickling, but I don't understand French) or the cute roleplays, and the result is usually the same, with the lee usually a sweaty mess, and hardly any actual dialogue. I guess that appeals to the more sadistic type, but at least throw verbal teasing into that mix for something more.

I could be wrong, but this is my take on it.
 
Part of the problem is that studios are slowly themselves fading away, for one reason or another.

I mean, I don't know what you consider "a lot" but not buying since October of 2017 while still watching the free stuff is proof of that point.

Good point, and to answer your question, going through a search of email receipts for clip orders from JAN/2016 to DEC/2016 the number is close to $1,300 give or take. I would say that's a fair indication that my willingness to buy is there. The fact that I skipped buying a clip because it was on pornhub doesn't negate the fact that I was still spending a good amount.
 
The industry is suffering because of piracy--users illegally posting content on pornhub--piracy.
 
You have to keep in mind that producers are getting tired of fighting all of their shit getting posted on PornHub all the time, which makes it hard to truly profit on the stuff. I mean, I don't know what you consider "a lot" but not buying since October of 2017 while still watching the free stuff is proof of that point.

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and I sent him 1 the other day that reads: "come on dude, you're slacking. why are your watched videos crappy recently". He replied "can't find any good stuff anymore"

What you're basically saying is that the quality of pirated material is in decline - the irony of this point may have escaped you. Pornhub drives down sales across the board by moving people away from searching out clips to buy, as they go looking for free stuff 24/7 instead. This is a model that can't continue indefinitely - when sales drop too far, studios close, less clips are produced and soon you'll be left to search the same old clips from five years ago...mainly from the producers that have given up getting their stuff removed because they've already moved on to other things.

It isn't just pornhub though. Tickling sites have long been battling with particularly aggressive pirate sites that are determined to post their entire catalogue at every opportunity. It's a shame, because tickling is a more niche fetish than some of the others out there, and the smaller studios have far less chance of surviving this. I don't have to tell you what the solution is as I'm sure you can figure it out.
 
This is a model that can't continue indefinitely - when sales drop too far, studios close, less clips are produced and soon you'll be left to search the same old clips from five years ago...

Yep. I'm calling it quits after I finish my next video. I don't know if I'm being pirated or not, I just know that so few of my videos are selling that I'm just tired of making them. Which is a shame, because I still have a pretty big backlog from some of my more popular recent models. Maybe if sales pick up enough to justify the effort I'll throw my hat back into the ring, but I doubt it. Five years of beating my head against that wall is plenty.
 
I'm sticking with artwork. I contemplated doing video, but I'm glad I didn't. There has to be a way to watermark or sabotage the clips so pirates can't use them.
 
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What you're basically saying is that the quality of pirated material is in decline - the irony of this point may have escaped you. Pornhub drives down sales across the board by moving people away from searching out clips to buy, as they go looking for free stuff 24/7 instead. This is a model that can't continue indefinitely - when sales drop too far, studios close, less clips are produced and soon you'll be left to search the same old clips from five years ago...mainly from the producers that have given up getting their stuff removed because they've already moved on to other things.

It isn't just pornhub though. Tickling sites have long been battling with particularly aggressive pirate sites that are determined to post their entire catalogue at every opportunity. It's a shame, because tickling is a more niche fetish than some of the others out there, and the smaller studios have far less chance of surviving this. I don't have to tell you what the solution is as I'm sure you can figure it out.

No I acknowledged that. But can you really group people into "piracy watchers = thieves" and "buyers=saints" camps? Most people probably do both. The exact figure spent in 2016 was $1,237. Did all my contributions go out the window once I watched videos on pornhub?
 
No I acknowledged that. But can you really group people into "piracy watchers = thieves" and "buyers=saints" camps? Most people probably do both. The exact figure spent in 2016 was $1,237. Did all my contributions go out the window once I watched videos on pornhub?

It's up to you whether or not you think it is theft - that isn't the point I was making. What I was saying is that when people move away from buying clips and start to focus solely on searching for free stuff on pornhub, the studios make smaller and smaller returns. This affects how many clips are made, it affects how many, and which models are booked for future shoots. It sometimes forces smaller studios out of business, and those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to continue have to think much more carefully about what we choose to release. You will find more studios releasing the 'same old' stuff because it sells, and less people taking chances on releasing something a bit different because they can't afford to take the risk anymore.

Your point about the money you used to spend on clips, really sums it up pretty well. You used to buy clips and now by your own admission you only watch pirated content. Knowing that, I find it strange that you need to ask why there isn't as much 'good' content coming through to the pirate sites any more. There's no mystery to it - as I said, it will continue to happen so long as people like yourself stop buying clips in favour of searching for free stuff instead.

The fact that you previously bought clips is great, but unfortunately it has no effect on current or future content. Producers still have to spend money on models, equipment, studio fees etc in order to make new clips - and it doesn't get any cheaper, in fact it becomes more expensive every year. The real winners here are sites like pornhub which make increasingly large amounts of money and love getting your traffic every day. Likewise, the guys that run their own pirate sites and get good revenues from the file hosting companies they use, without ever spending a penny. Unfortunately, they don't make clips and can't help you when the content starts to dry up.
 
I love how the endgame of these threads every time someone makes one is "Just make something better, and we'll use the honor system and promise to start spending money!".

Nobody is as stupid as you think these guys are. 99.99% of you aren't buying something you can get for free and everyone understands that. I look at Pornhub too but jesus christ, stop acting like it's this big moral stand about "the decline of good content!"; it's just better to splooge for free.
 
I love how the endgame of these threads every time someone makes one is "Just make something better, and we'll use the honor system and promise to start spending money!".

Funny. I don't see that being the stance anyone here is actually taking (except the OP kind of, but I'm not really sure what his attitude is, since he admits to spending over $1000 a year on clips, but also admits to watching them for free sometimes).

Piracy is something that will always exist. I have to hand it to the Stryker Entertainment owner though: He actually took strong countermeasures to prevent his stuff being stolen by people, and uploaded to other websites, hence why you will rarely, if ever, find his stuff out there for the watching. The people he caught doing it had to take it down, and make a public apology here for it. Unfortunately, that is not a luxury most studios have, and it becomes difficult and a pain in the ass to fight the thing that costs you the most money, when you should be spending your time finding models and scenarios for them to tickle each other under that you know will appeal to your audience. If fighting piracy isn't something you're prepared to do as a studio owner/publisher, then you need to consider bowing out of the industry, because it's something that will never stop, especially for a good clip.

I don't think it's fair that studios should have to spend their time doing so, given this industry isn't hugely profitable to begin with, but I also accept that piracy is a battle you will always be fighting as a content creator/publisher in the multimedia world, whether we like it or not.
 
I've been watching videos since 2005.

2018 has been a terrible year for the clip industry.

An example I can give is that I've been watching videos on pornhub since 2013 (verified my join date just before making this post). I also buy a lot from clips4sale.com & iwantclips.com, with my last purchase coming in October 2017.

Back to pornhub, i've only really watched clips 1 particular way. No searches or anything like that. But there is 1 user who I monitor there in terms of his "Watched Videos". My routine would be that when i log in, I head straight to his "watched videos" and not 1 day passes where he hasn't watched around 20-25 high quality clips. He joined before I did so this has been the case ever since I started browsing that website and caught on that this was a user who watched the best/newest stuff out there, every day, any day, which saved me the hassle of searching and browsing playlists and so on and so forth.

Now like clockwork, I began noticing a trend where for the past couple of months the guy watches 3 clips per day max, most of them old ones he previously watched. He still logs on daily, but the dude has run out of material to watch and it's hilarious. This is a dude i've been shadowing for 5 years, haven't even friended him or sent him a message, and I sent him 1 the other day that reads: "come on dude, you're slacking. why are your watched videos crappy recently". He replied "can't find any good stuff anymore"

Could be a search engine issue. Think of it this way. You go to Google, keep plugging in the same search terms, after a while Google knows what you're looking for and makes a shortcut for you to get to it vs generating a new result. Same with pornhub likely.

In general, as media gets easier (technology, guys) to produce, it gets harder to discern quality and distribute a product. Home recording in music ironically is what kills the modern business of the music industry and makes getting "good music" harder to find. Guys going their own way and not referencing in mass to an audience potentially leads to a lot of waste.
 
I love how the endgame of these threads every time someone makes one is "Just make something better, and we'll use the honor system and promise to start spending money!".

Nobody is as stupid as you think these guys are. 99.99% of you aren't buying something you can get for free and everyone understands that. I look at Pornhub too but jesus christ, stop acting like it's this big moral stand about "the decline of good content!"; it's just better to splooge for free.
So since you watch, how do you feel about the fact that basically every site out there outside of this network basically makes tickling sound like an imaginary fetish, and how do you think people are supposed to receive that? I don't imagine money being made easily in VANILLA porn itself, let alone tickle porn.

What I'm basically trying to say is it makes it sound like we're trying to sell something that's as free as air.
 
So since you watch, how do you feel about the fact that basically every site out there outside of this network basically makes tickling sound like an imaginary fetish, and how do you think people are supposed to receive that? I don't imagine money being made easily in VANILLA porn itself, let alone tickle porn.

What I'm basically trying to say is it makes it sound like we're trying to sell something that's as free as air.

You lost me. Are you criticizing Comfort Eagle for watching Pornhub since he's a producer himself or are you criticizing other sites for not taking the fetish seriously?
 
So since you watch, how do you feel about the fact that basically every site out there outside of this network basically makes tickling sound like an imaginary fetish, and how do you think people are supposed to receive that? I don't imagine money being made easily in VANILLA porn itself, let alone tickle porn.

What I'm basically trying to say is it makes it sound like we're trying to sell something that's as free as air.

Are you doing the thing people argue where it's "C'mon, it's such a rare fetish anyway we should't have to pay for it!" you sometimes see people argue on here? Or something else? I'm not really following your train of thought here.
 
I've been watching videos since 2005.

2018 has been a terrible year for the clip industry.

I personally wouldn't say that. I definitely wouldn't say that based on the viewing habits of one person on pornhub. There are a ton of clips that have been released on C4S since 1/1/2018 alone. There are certainly a number of clips that have been released in that time frame on platforms other than C4S as well. There's no way to know, but perhaps it's a function of less newer stuff making it on to pornhub in the first place? Could it be a reflection of the collective consciences of the tickle media-sharing community? Yeah, that was a good one huh? LOL Nonetheless, I make the point because nothing I've released in the past year has been pirated. Coincidentally none of that has been on C4S.

Clearly, piracy has had some impact on the overall release of material as more than one studio has admitted to closing up shop due piracy, but I still don't know if the aggregate released material is less than say 5 years ago. As to whether that material from 5 years ago was better, that's purely subjective. I mean, if your standard for unsuckiness requires Tasha or Brooke, well then, there you have it - you'll never be satisfied again most likely. Some other things I feel have impacted producers in no particular order:
The "Tickled" documentary, at least in terms of recruiting the non-professional fetish model
The Craigslist change in fees for posting ads
The abundance of readily available material - partially related to piracy, but also, the explosion of producers
Last but not least - the rise of Instagram and it's "Model/Mistresses/Goddesses/Princesses/etc".

The last one - Instagram habits anyway - both confuses and amuses me. I did a quick check a couple days ago and noticed the original content producers, some of whom are among the backbone of currently released material, have at most a few thousand followers. Ok, but a little context here; what I call the "Non Shout Out" profile/pages (these post pics and 60sec videos of the very same producers), well they will have 2, 3 or 4 times as many followers. That cracks me up and confuses me. Oh, I call them non shout outs, because most go out of their way to not tag or give credit to the producers. The claim to be "supporting the fetish" and "sharing to support", yet under nearly every post is some follower asking what the title of the video is, or which company produced it, or who the model is. Now more than likely, they want this information so they can go search pornhub for the clip, but the point is, it really isn't supporting the company that produced the content. So it's a strange time and place we are in where the capacity to provide is seemingly more valued than the capacit to produce original content.

Let's not even get started on the guys who won't pay $1 a minute for a tickle clip but are paying $10 a minute (or more) to an IG model to film her feet being tickled on a phone.

Anyway, that got away from me a bit. Sorry. The point being, and I'm just supposing here, but for every Tickle Central or Real Tickling or Tickle Intensive that is no longer active, there's a Tickle Room, Simply Tickling, Octopus Studio, etc that is. Again, whether you feel the former put out superior product than the latter, is a matter of opinion, but it seems to me the "Industry" isn't much different than it always was.
 
Are you doing the thing people argue where it's "C'mon, it's such a rare fetish anyway we should't have to pay for it!" you sometimes see people argue on here? Or something else? I'm not really following your train of thought here.

I'm just saying there's tags in modern porn on sites for "tits", "ass", "hairy", all sorts of shit. Tickling? Is prettymuch the rarest I know. I'll see tags like "amateur", "lesbian", "home-made" instead. Anything to classify the info between the title and the tags. The TMF is a small bubble and at times I feel like it's kind of similar to punk rock kids taking the shitty local dive that nobody visits and trying to make it this monumental gig venue.

I DO think that maybe we've magnified the scope of our fetish from something that was free and natural into a defined and produced artform, and I respect that people work on it, but I also think people weigh these points and do what they want. If that weren't the case, we wouldn't have this great divide, would we?
 
I'm just saying there's tags in modern porn on sites for "tits", "ass", "hairy", all sorts of shit. Tickling? Is prettymuch the rarest I know. I'll see tags like "amateur", "lesbian", "home-made" instead. Anything to classify the info between the title and the tags. The TMF is a small bubble and at times I feel like it's kind of similar to punk rock kids taking the shitty local dive that nobody visits and trying to make it this monumental gig venue.

I DO think that maybe we've magnified the scope of our fetish from something that was free and natural into a defined and produced artform, and I respect that people work on it, but I also think people weigh these points and do what they want. If that weren't the case, we wouldn't have this great divide, would we?

Right, but people who deliberately search for tickle fetish content are going to be able to find it easily. I don't think anyone was thinking people would just kind of stumble across a tickle torture video and suddenly realize that's what they were into and then look for more.

I still don't understand the point, OP says "We're pirating because you all suck now!", producers are saying "Stop flinging our shit everywhere and maybe the increased income might improve the content" and I still don't know what the popularity of the fetish has to do with anything, since it could reasonably be assumed with social media and places like Tumblr more people than ever know what a tickle fetish is, so it seems like videos would be better and more profitable if that were the case, no? Not on a decline? Why was the "golden age" of tickle fetish content when next to nobody realized it was a thing, how does that make sense?
 
Right, but people who deliberately search for tickle fetish content are going to be able to find it easily. I don't think anyone was thinking people would just kind of stumble across a tickle torture video and suddenly realize that's what they were into and then look for more.

I still don't understand the point, OP says "We're pirating because you all suck now!", producers are saying "Stop flinging our shit everywhere and maybe the increased income might improve the content" and I still don't know what the popularity of the fetish has to do with anything, since it could reasonably be assumed with social media and places like Tumblr more people than ever know what a tickle fetish is, so it seems like videos would be better and more profitable if that were the case, no? Not on a decline? Why was the "golden age" of tickle fetish content when next to nobody realized it was a thing, how does that make sense?

Maybe it'd be better but I gotta admit I'm not really wowed by any previews.

It's a matter of statistics and ease of production. The track record of individual producers and the industry as a whole against sales records of what clips were popular and the ability to stay fresh.

It's kind of like music (again) as when an artist continues to release records they continue to establish their trend and the very thing that was impressive upon release is old hat after 5 albums.
 
You lost me. Are you criticizing Comfort Eagle for watching Pornhub since he's a producer himself or are you criticizing other sites for not taking the fetish seriously?

I'm saying it's ridiculous on both ends to be expecting substantial return when produced(after investment made) material keeps ending up on sites that really, as far as porn goes, hardly know or give a shit less if our material even exists. We're like a secret club. I just wonder what good turnout can come from this situation. Because honestly I'd like it if we weren't such an oddball news reel feature instead of a listed category on a porn video site at the very least.
 
What if I told you that 2018 hasn't sucked for clips?

What if I told you...it was all in your head?
 
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What if I told you that 2018 hasn't sucked for clios?

What if I told you...it was all in your head?
What if I told you.... in the C4S feeds to this site half the content regularly advertised is clips from twenty years ago?

What if I told you.... you can spell check? Lol
 
What if I told you.... in the C4S feeds to this site half the content regularly advertised is clips from twenty years ago?

That isn't a reflection on the content being produced - it's just a factor of the feed itself being outdated and probably recycling the same ads. It may also be down to the stores that pay to have their content featured in that way.

Producers put out new clips every day. Sites like pornhub only really feature a small fraction of the clips that are out there, consisting mainly of the clips and sites that are most heavily pirated and those that don't bother to get their stuff removed. The problem is with people increasingly just going to places like pornhub for their fix, a lot of new content is actually missed. People assume that everything's on there when in reality there are at most a thousand or so clips, which is a tiny percentage of what is actually released every year.

A lot of the posts on here that claim that the quality of clips is going down etc are from people who clearly just spend all their time browsing the same batch of clips on PH - as with the OP in this case.
 
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