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Proof the video industry is suffering

What if I told you.... in the C4S feeds to this site half the content regularly advertised is clips from twenty years ago?

What if I told you.... you can spell check? Lol

Coming from you, the statement to 'spellcheck' is rich.

And the reason for that is because those old studios spam their shit through re-release. That's why the same clips show up in there, genius. Pay attention next time.
 
That isn't a reflection on the content being produced - it's just a factor of the feed itself being outdated and probably recycling the same ads. It may also be down to the stores that pay to have their content featured in that way.

Producers put out new clips every day. Sites like pornhub only really feature a small fraction of the clips that are out there, consisting mainly of the clips and sites that are most heavily pirated and those that don't bother to get their stuff removed. The problem is with people increasingly just going to places like pornhub for their fix, a lot of new content is actually missed. People assume that everything's on there when in reality there are at most a thousand or so clips, which is a tiny percentage of what is actually released every year.

A lot of the posts on here that claim that the quality of clips is going down etc are from people who clearly just spend all their time browsing the same batch of clips on PH - as with the OP in this case.

But you've got to understand that C4S is not a booming website that's visited, right? So people gravitate between PH and TMF from here.

Coming from you, the statement to 'spellcheck' is rich.

And the reason for that is because those old studios spam their shit through re-release. That's why the same clips show up in there, genius. Pay attention next time.

My grammar is fucked at times. Get over it. I consider my spelling to be a strong suit.

Regardless of the reasons, it's a reflection on the TMF. Honestly I think the campy nature of the old shit actually ADDED to the quality. But that's just me.
 
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What if I told you.... in the C4S feeds to this site half the content regularly advertised is clips from twenty years ago?

Octopus is a reletively new studio that has shot right up the sales charts for the category, every time Tickle Room comes out with a new video it appears to do pretty well (very good considering he too is a huge target for pirates). Italian Tickling charts well and afaik has 0 TMF presence. French Tickling and UKTickling as as good as they've ever been.
 
But you've got to understand that C4S is not a booming website that's visited, right? So people gravitate between PH and TMF from here.

You really think that C4S is struggling for traffic? I'm not sure what you're basing that on, but even with the lure of pirate sites I'd estimate it's daily traffic is still in the millions. It's a well visited site that makes a hell of a lot of money. I think you probably underestimate how much people actually spend on porn (of all varieties)
 
But you've got to understand that C4S is not a booming website that's visited, right? So people gravitate between PH and TMF from here.

I dunno man. According to the ICM Registry clips4sale is in the top 15 as far as sales for adult sites. And they're about to celebrate their 15th anniversary. A lot of websites don't last that long.
 
Producers put out new clips every day. Sites like pornhub only really feature a small fraction of the clips that are out there, consisting mainly of the clips and sites that are most heavily pirated and those that don't bother to get their stuff removed. The problem is with people increasingly just going to places like pornhub for their fix, a lot of new content is actually missed. People assume that everything's on there when in reality there are at most a thousand or so clips, which is a tiny percentage of what is actually released every year.

A lot of the posts on here that claim that the quality of clips is going down etc are from people who clearly just spend all their time browsing the same batch of clips on PH - as with the OP in this case.

This = gospel truth. I remain genuinely befuddled as to why this isn't glaringly obvious to everyone.

But you've got to understand that C4S is not a booming website that's visited, right? So people gravitate between PH and TMF from here.

If there is a cohort which is not going to the source where the original content producers are currently releasing their new materials - then how can that cohort make an informed decision/examination/diagnosis of the current state of materials being released? Footnote: there are at least a small batch of producers who no longer bother to post previews in the TMF video forum.

Octopus is a reletively new studio that has shot right up the sales charts for the category, every time Tickle Room comes out with a new video it appears to do pretty well (very good considering he too is a huge target for pirates). Italian Tickling charts well and afaik has 0 TMF presence.

This too. Kinda ties in to an observation I made on another thread. On social media, the reposter accounts have more followers and traffic than the actual producers do!! So they are forming an opinion based on following the "___tickler" account, who has probably blocked the producers, so they can't see he's posting their material without tags or permission. And all you see is what he's posting, which he's gotten from pirates/pornhub, so you think that's all there is. It really is an insane and hysterical equation.
 
I've been buying porn since 2001, but recently mostly stopped. I believe I might have spent like $20 this year as opposed to like $10,000 between 2003-2013 for example. The tickle producing industry has gone downhill lately, but that's because some of the biggest producers from just 5 years ago aren't on clips4sale anymore.

For me the reality was a bunch of things. First, you can only put out videos of the same girl so many times. Do you think I like seeing the same girl time and again? If I wanted that I would just get a girlfriend. Also, even if you actually like a particular model, how many videos of her do you have to have? Secondly, the tickling industry shot itself in the foot with too much content. I don't think many of us make enough money to buy everything we could want. Also, most producers are lazy and don't post preview clips. So I got burned a lot of times with preview pics that made the vid look amazing and then you spend $15 to buy a clip of a woman who isn't really that ticklish. Third, because of all the other stuff the new content got boring. The same producers produce the same clip, but with different girls in each clip. I get that buying/making new bondage furniture every like 6 months is expensive. I'm just saying that for example the best producer from years ago Realtickling didn't seem to use the same girl every 3 months and also there were a LOT of different scenes he used. Torture rack in a dungeon, strapped to a board, etc. At the end of the day for our particular kink it's probably going to be way harder for producers to make money like Hugh Heffner. We're not mainstream.

Solution is for producers to become like Silver Cherry and put out a clip now and then and change it up. Also stop being lazy and post previews. Only put out real stuff, not fake, like the Czech dude (who's quality has been garbage for a long time now) You put out quality stuff with a preview and you might actually make some money.

Anyway, who the hell produces porn who makes 30k a year anyway? I was checking out a torture rack on the internet from what I assume was a European company and it was 2000 of whatever currency it was. (I think it was Euro's, but I just didn't pay that much attention because I don't have that kind of money). So point being, since I assume 90% or more of the producers are guys who make 70k+ at a real job then in a way you're sort of doing this for the love of the kink, or should be, and should count yourself lucky that you have the ability to get with women who are okay with this kink.

I went to Pornhub myself because I heard about it for one thing, but also I have only downloaded mostly old stuff (pre-2010). Also most of the time the quality of the actual video is tops of 720p, which if it were a new clip would be garbage compared with what is available today in HD.

Also, if you're going to be a mega producer who just pumps out like a clip every 2 days, then why not have your stuff on clips4sale sure, but also a members only site like TA has done. I'm totally fine with paying $30, hell even maybe like $75 for everything ever made all downloaded in a crazy mad rush for a 1 month sub and then coming back and buying another 1 month sub at a later date.

That's my 2 cents.
 
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Anyway, who the hell produces porn who makes 30k a year anyway? I was checking out a torture rack on the internet from what I assume was a European company and it was 2000 of whatever currency it was. (I think it was Euro's, but I just didn't pay that much attention because I don't have that kind of money). So point being, since I assume 90% or more of the producers are guys who make 70k+ at a real job then in a way you're sort of doing this for the love of the kink, or should be, and should count yourself lucky that you have the ability to get with women who are okay with this kink.

There are certainly a lot of hobbyists but you'd probably find that the majority of the 'main' producers do this as their main job. I do, and although I do have a seperate unrelated business, it is almost impossible to devote any real time to it - if anything, that is my 'hobby'. I think people underestimate the amount of hours it takes to run a succesful studio - I work seven days a week on this, albeit not all day, every day.

Anyone producing clips with professional models on a regular basis would find it impossible to fund from a regular day job - that just isn't workable unless you're incredibly rich to start with. 30k certainly isn't a huge amount to make from porn production when you consider what it costs to make - high-end porn models are generally earning more than 1k a day for hard levels! As you mentioned, bondage equipment can cost thousands...so do cameras and other equipment. There's a lot of money to be made, even from tickling videos, but successful studios have a lot of costs to cover. It's often a risky, uncertain business because of the financial and other commitments.
 
You really think that C4S is struggling for traffic? I'm not sure what you're basing that on, but even with the lure of pirate sites I'd estimate it's daily traffic is still in the millions. It's a well visited site that makes a hell of a lot of money. I think you probably underestimate how much people actually spend on porn (of all varieties)

Well, maybe I'm an oddball but any time vanilla (that includes foot fetish) peers that have opened up about where they get "their fix" when they're shooting the shit bring up tube sites or the hub, never heard anyone say "I HAVE to get my shit from C4S!".

I don't see them advertising. I don't see them featured on many sites other than this one, really. So how big could I think they are? Hell, I heard more about www.myfreepaysite.com than them.
 
I would give anything (although anyone would I suppose) to win the lottery for say minimum of 15 million. I would produce the heck out of quality tickling stuff and probably basically give it away for free.
 
I would give anything (although anyone would I suppose) to win the lottery for say minimum of 15 million. I would produce the heck out of quality tickling stuff and probably basically give it away for free.

So long as you like paying for a dream you'd have to be asleep to believe.
 
I would give anything (although anyone would I suppose) to win the lottery for say minimum of 15 million. I would produce the heck out of quality tickling stuff and probably basically give it away for free.

The content made by producers has never been monolithic. Nor has the paying consumer. The most VOCAL consumer (paying and non-paying), is something close to that, but even they are varied. Point being, should you suddenly find yourself liquid with 10s of millions of dollars, and began giving away what meets your standard of quality tickling stuff - you'd still find threads, which included your material, decrying the lack of quality in tickling content currently being produced.
 
Point being, should you suddenly find yourself liquid with 10s of millions of dollars, and began giving away what meets your standard of quality tickling stuff - you'd still find threads, which included your material, decrying the lack of quality in tickling content currently being produced.


Very true. You'd also find that the majority of people simply download it without a word and then carry on looking for pirated stuff. Weirdly, a lot of people lose interest in stuff that is intended to be free, as if that makes it not worth bothering with!

Well, maybe I'm an oddball but any time vanilla (that includes foot fetish) peers that have opened up about where they get "their fix" when they're shooting the shit bring up tube sites or the hub, never heard anyone say "I HAVE to get my shit from C4S!".

I don't see them advertising. I don't see them featured on many sites other than this one, really. So how big could I think they are? Hell, I heard more about www.myfreepaysite.com than them.

I've never heard anyone say that either but that doesn't really mean anything - C4S isn't a vanilla site. It caters to people seeking fetish porn of all varieties. Consider that there are around 130,000 stores on C4S right now. My store generally gets between 2000-3000 hits a day - anything below 1500 hits is a low traffic day. Even though many stores are pretty dormant, the rarely-updated ones will still get about 50-100 hits a day.

I'm a top 10 store in the 'tickling' category but that isn't one of the most popular categories overall. Myself and other tickling stores only occasionally break into the C4S top 50, which is where the big traffic comes from. I would guess that the top 10 stores on C4S each have a daily hit count in the tens of thousands...it's a huge site.
 
I've never heard anyone say that either but that doesn't really mean anything - C4S isn't a vanilla site. It caters to people seeking fetish porn of all varieties. Consider that there are around 130,000 stores on C4S right now. My store generally gets between 2000-3000 hits a day - anything below 1500 hits is a low traffic day. Even though many stores are pretty dormant, the rarely-updated ones will still get about 50-100 hits a day.

I'm a top 10 store in the 'tickling' category but that isn't one of the most popular categories overall. Myself and other tickling stores only occasionally break into the C4S top 50, which is where the big traffic comes from. I would guess that the top 10 stores on C4S each have a daily hit count in the tens of thousands...it's a huge site.
Lol see? Even you're validating what I'm saying, that tickling is a splash in the scheme of things. Even though I've bought I just look at C4S as a Wikipedia of "what's out there" in terms of porn. Even still, a few million users out there is peanuts in the billions of the world population.

In short, I get people want to be successful, but I understand the mindset of the average guy who wants the accessible. Accessibility is the only way a fetish gains traction. More money without visible results just comes across as filling a leaking pot with water.
 
Lol see? Even you're validating what I'm saying, that tickling is a splash in the scheme of things. Even though I've bought I just look at C4S as a Wikipedia of "what's out there" in terms of porn. Even still, a few million users out there is peanuts in the billions of the world population.

Yes but no one's talking selling tickling clips to the entire world population. I don't really get your point to be honest. I mentioned earlier in this thread that tickling is relatively niche when compared to some of the more well-known fetishes, but the fact is that porn and fetish porn generally are heavily in demand and have a huge potential market.

Your comments seem to suggest that there is no market for tickling producers and people should therefore give up on trying to make any kind of living (or even any money at all) from producing clips. You backed that up by suggesting that clips4sale gets hardly any traffic. As I pointed out, that site gets huge loads of traffic, and even tickling stores get a lot of visitors every day...and yes many of us do earn a living from it. There are plenty of potential customers out there, it's just a shame that many are being steered towards tube sites instead. It's the smaller and newer stores that suffer the most from this.
 
Unless you're running multiple porn companies and releasing multiple clips a week, no way you're making a living on this
 
Unless you're running multiple porn companies and releasing multiple clips a week, no way you're making a living on this

Ok don't get why so many people think this? Lots of producers do just that...if anything it'd be very difficult to keep a company going for any length of time if you aren't making a living. That's why the hobbyist/home producers don't tend to stick around for long - it's way too much time commitment unless it pays the bills.
 
Ok don't get why so many people think this? Lots of producers do just that...

Really? The only ones I've ever heard admit that they do are you, Sidious, and Tommy. Last Laugh (I think? I'd have to go back and check) said that even when he broke the Top 10 on Clips4Sale he only got a few extra hundred a month. I mean, I live in California. I'd have to clear three grand in sales just to pay my rent.

I think you're assuming everyone gets the same traffic and throughput that you do. I certainly don't. My store gets as many hits in a month as you get in a day in spite of my Preview threads here getting thousands of views. Even when I was advertising on the sidebar it didn't bring in that kind of traffic.

Now, you could totally say "has it occurred to you that your stuff just isn't any good?", but I'd offer two points to counter that. One, that as people keep pointing out, tickling is a niche, limited market. If people are spending all of their money at your studio, they're not going to buy from anyone else. Two, I have nearly a thousand followers on Instagram. People who are obsessed enough with my stuff to Like every post I make, and in some cases go back and Like all six hundred posts in my history, or send me creepy messages, or any number of a hundred other things. I'm pretty sure that unless these people are complete idiots, there is enough of a quality to my material to engage users. If it wasn't any good, this wouldn't be happening. And yet, none of these people think it'd be a good idea to drop me a fiver every once in a while. If even ten percent of my Instagram followers bought one clip a month my sales would skyrocket over a hundredfold.

I mean, I've literally produced the exact content that people posted on this forum that they wanted to see, and pointed those people directly to it and they still didn't buy it. I can show you the threads and the sales figures to back that up, too.

But yeah, maybe my stuff's just crap and these guys'll Like anything with toes in it. All the more reason for me to pack it in and call it a day. But I still think you, turtleboy, have a skewed idea of what it's like to operate in today's market. You got in on the ground floor and built a customer base when your only competition was Jeff, Elliot, and that chick who ran Solefully Yours and since people would rather cut off an arm than try something new, they'll be your customers until the end of time.

if anything it'd be very difficult to keep a company going for any length of time if you aren't making a living. That's why the hobbyist/home producers don't tend to stick around for long - it's way too much time commitment unless it pays the bills.

Exactly. And that's why there's only like five companies that have been doing it for as long as they have. The rest of us basically bleed money until we give up.

But, you wanna talk about taste being subjective? Comfort Eagle's been mentioning Octopus a few times now as a new guy that's doing okay, so I went and checked his studio out. Of all the creepy, cheaply-produced, skeevy crap I've ever seen, that's some of the worst. I wouldn't pay that guy a dime for his content. But, that said, I'm not the kind of narcissistic asshole who's going to come here and point at that and insist that the entire industry should stop making skeevy crap if they want MY money, I simply buy from the guys I like and realize that everyone else is obsessed with Saran Wrap and baby oil and that's really none of my business. So, yeah.

But you don't have to make a living, you just have to sell more than you spend in order to justify it, because a profit is still profit. I have a day job, but let's say I spend an afternoon filming and editing, and when all's said and done I spent $250 this quarter and brought in $400. I can't live on that but it's still extra money in the bank as mostly passive income.

In closing, though;

cletus said:

I'm impressed. I mean... there's wrong, moronically wrong, so wrong it's on another plane of existence... and then there's this; wrong on so many levels I just have to marvel at the sheer beauty of it. Well done.
 
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mentioning Octopus a few times now as a new guy that's doing okay, so I went and checked his studio out. Of all the creepy, cheaply-produced, skeevy crap I've ever seen, that's some of the worst. I wouldn't pay that guy a dime for his content.

... seriously?
 
I enjoyed watching thousands of tickle videos over 10+ years.
However, over the last few years I am having trouble finding even a few tickle videos to enjoy.
Therefore the content now sucks. And it’s not just me.
1 other person I found who also enjoyed many of the same videos as me for many years is also having trouble finding tickle videos to enjoy.
There’s no way it’s just me being burned out over the years.
Also my favorite models having long since retired have nothing to do with it.
The “fact” is the industry now sucks.

Fact: My opinion supported by the opinion of 1 other person.
 
Yes but no one's talking selling tickling clips to the entire world population. I don't really get your point to be honest. I mentioned earlier in this thread that tickling is relatively niche when compared to some of the more well-known fetishes, but the fact is that porn and fetish porn generally are heavily in demand and have a huge potential market.

Your comments seem to suggest that there is no market for tickling producers and people should therefore give up on trying to make any kind of living (or even any money at all) from producing clips. You backed that up by suggesting that clips4sale gets hardly any traffic. As I pointed out, that site gets huge loads of traffic, and even tickling stores get a lot of visitors every day...and yes many of us do earn a living from it. There are plenty of potential customers out there, it's just a shame that many are being steered towards tube sites instead. It's the smaller and newer stores that suffer the most from this.

And yet you ignore that maybe there's some people out there that don't know or give two shits about the TMF and get interested via fetlife or tube sites. Honestly I don't think that there's enough of "us" out there to sustain a market unless we try to actually appeal to a tube market. We're the underground fetish (one of many). Pioneers don't make a lot of money, they make gains in their art/ message.
 
A couple of things to add…

With only a hundred thousand or so tickle videos having been released and at least several dozens of possible tickling scenarios why does it seem producers are repeating the same scenarios.
When I find a model that I enjoy, I don’t care if she’s been in 20 – 30 videos, I want more.
If she’s retired bring her back I don’t care if it’s been 5 years and she’s moved on.

On the other hand if I have see a model more than a dozen times and she still does not suit my taste, why do you keep using her?
Get someone new. If I’m not a fan I can’t imagine other people are buying her videos.
 
... seriously?

Solipsism is a helluva drug.

oldgeezer said:
On the other hand if I have see a model more than a dozen times and she still does not suit my taste, why do you keep using her?
Get someone new. If I’m not a fan I can’t imagine other people are buying her videos.

Case in point. You JUST answered your own question. Sometimes I wonder if half of you even think through what you’re typing.

Producers use scenarios and models that are making money. Clearly I don’t like Octopus but I’m in the minority on that one but I’m not sitting here wondering why he exists like you obviously are. Maybe those models you don't like vastly outsold the ones that did and you’re just too closed-minded to understand that. I mean, baby oil and hairbrushes disgust me but you don’t see me sitting here wondering why videos are full of them and accusing producers of being idiots insisting on putting out videos that “nobody” (IE, me) likes. Use your fucking brains, people.
 
... seriously?
I like that studio too. They had this one girl on their named Honey and I was literally about to buy the upper body video they made of her but I didn't have the money at the time. They took that video down literally a day before I was about to purchase it.

I am going to assume that that particular model changed her mind about the whole tickling thing and she asked that studio to take down her videos. It's a shame too. She is hot.
 
"Solipsism is a helluva drug."
"Case in point. You JUST answered your own question. Sometimes I wonder if half of you even think through what you’re typing."



It appears my attemp at being facetious and point out the OP as practicing Solipsism have failed.

At least I learned a new word.
 
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