kylerayner48
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UK tickling, your saying yours are?. Lol
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The surest sign of fakery in a tickling video?
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As I've pointed out many times, yes.
Personally, I wouldn't see the point in making videos if they weren't real.
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I think the truth is that there are no sure signs of fakery when it comes to 'lees' reactions. But some people have a hard time accepting that.
I feel like having these set expectations on how ticklee's are supposed to react in videos are exactly what causes these models to have to fake or exaggerate their reactions at times instead of doing what comes natural. Otherwise people scream "fake" potentially ruining a tickle model and producer's reputation for no reason. And a lot of these expectations come from people who have never tickled a sole in their life! (see what I did there? lol) It's all a part of their fantasy of a begging squirming ticklish lee that doesn't always fit what happens in real life.
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So throughout my career as a producer there have been few times when I've had this happen but ultimately it's happened where I plan a shoot and they are faking it in the audition or shoot. It's actually what made me start the "Ticklebusters" series I do. Finding out if a fetish model is genuine or faking it. Now to start my models that are GTD I have seen a VARIETY of laughs and reactions. I have models that scream their heads off. Case in point Joey. To me I thought sure as shit she was faking it since she had done a copious amount of videos with TA. So when she shot with me I expected giggles and screams and the beginning of a tickle bust (someone faking it). I was wrong. She was so sensitive to the touch the screams were real. From begging to tears I actually felt uncomfortable tickling her. It's the same with models Rosie and Coco who scream as well. They are genuinely sensitive. Differences are Rosie hates it while Coco loves it.
As per begging. Megan Jones I realized likes to "beg" in her content. I assumed this was playing it up for her. That's until I got to know her. She genuinely likes to beg it's a thing for her. Shes verbal sexually on and off camera.
Now as per spotting a fake....it happened so far once. During a shoot a model seemed....off. Her feet made her giggle but I didn't up the intensity or change spots yet she began to laugh louder. Not a scream a louder laugh. It was obv and a little meh. So I moved up to upperbody with a gang tickle. Now the models found spots she didn't know of that worked but she was still playing it up. My advice is:
- Watch the laugh and physical demeanor. I have 2 models Rey and Sophie. They barely laugh and when they do its.uncomfortable and soft or awkwardly loud. Reason why? They were never tickled or tied up. They never really learnt to laugh hard or.let go so they hold it in to the point where they look like they are gonna pop. It's a quiet clip but the facial expressions say it all. when you drag a finger on Reys foot or Sophie's armpit they GENUINELY are trying to get away. While people who fake it will just awkwardly move. Are people faking it in videos? o absolutely. I've spoken to models who flat out told me they fake it to not waste my time. It happens. Just do your research and realize there are tons of us producers who care enough to find the real ones ^_^
And when you tickle enough people you see that manyyyy people laugh and react differently
As per begging. Megan Jones I realized likes to "beg" in her content. I assumed this was playing it up for her. That's until I got to know her. She genuinely likes to beg it's a thing for her. Shes verbal sexually on and off camera.
Now as per spotting a fake....it happened so far once. During a shoot a model seemed....off. Her feet made her giggle but I didn't up the intensity or change spots yet she began to laugh louder. Not a scream a louder laugh. It was obv and a little meh. So I moved up to upperbody with a gang tickle. Now the models found spots she didn't know of that worked but she was still playing it up. My advice is:
- Watch the laugh and physical demeanor. I have 2 models Rey and Sophie. They barely laugh and when they do its.uncomfortable and soft or awkwardly loud. Reason why? They were never tickled or tied up. They never really learnt to laugh hard or.let go so they hold it in to the point where they look like they are gonna pop. It's a quiet clip but the facial expressions say it all. when you drag a finger on Reys foot or Sophie's armpit they GENUINELY are trying to get away. While people who fake it will just awkwardly move. Are people faking it in videos? o absolutely. I've spoken to models who flat out told me they fake it to not waste my time. It happens. Just do your research and realize there are tons of us producers who care enough to find the real ones ^_^
And when you tickle enough people you see that manyyyy people laugh and react differently
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I've said this before, but it bears mentioning again... If I were a producer, I'd ask models to try and *not* react.
For those who lied about being ticklish just to get the gig and get paid, I have a feeling once they were there in-person, if I asked them to not react, they wouldn't. Then, I'd understand the situation, and probably just release it as a bondage video.
But I think the majority of girls, assuming they had told me there were ticklish in advance, would actually be unable to suppress their reactions. And those videos would then be much better, watching them break again and again.
A producer could even market this as a Try To Ignore Me series. For even better credibility, they could even release the examples when other girls actually didn't react as mini-clips, proving that the premise was legit.
For those who lied about being ticklish just to get the gig and get paid, I have a feeling once they were there in-person, if I asked them to not react, they wouldn't. Then, I'd understand the situation, and probably just release it as a bondage video.
But I think the majority of girls, assuming they had told me there were ticklish in advance, would actually be unable to suppress their reactions. And those videos would then be much better, watching them break again and again.
A producer could even market this as a Try To Ignore Me series. For even better credibility, they could even release the examples when other girls actually didn't react as mini-clips, proving that the premise was legit.
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Things that makes me smell bullshit like a fart in a lift:
- Delayed reactions
- Exaggerated laughter
- Laughing at a tickled spot that doesn't require you to put on rigid body language
But hey that's just me!
- Delayed reactions
- Exaggerated laughter
- Laughing at a tickled spot that doesn't require you to put on rigid body language
But hey that's just me!
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Makes sense what you are saying but it doesn't work. Tickling is too popular. You will ask "hey just don't fake it we can do foot worship/fetish or a bondage video instead". I did exactly that. This model flipped on me saying she was ticklish and that I was hurting her credibility. Well once I released the clip it changed things and I got a wave of support from other producers as well saying she does fake it and that they couldn't believe I really outed her. Now with less ticklish models who still bear reactions you are 100% correct hence why we do foot games and other funny stuff. It focuses on feet and giggles not intense laughter. And with the hyper intense girls the foot games videos or don't laugh challenges are even better.
that comment made me spit my coffee out lmao
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How so?
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Respectfully, I'm not sure I understand the story. The reason she said you hurt her credibility is simply that you released non-tickling (foot worship or bondage) videos of her? As if those videos alone are some kind of evidence that she's inauthentic or faking anything? Or did you also explain in video notes that she wasn't ticklish? I'm guessing the latter.
Nevertheless, the big picture to me is the second thing you said about getting "the wave of support." As I see it, those are the people you should listen to. So when you write "it doesn't work," my reaction to that is: It actually did.
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Some oft-overlooked facts regarding this topic:
- Reactions to tickling can differ from person to person.
- If a reaction isn't what you were expecting or what you wanted, that doesn't necessarily mean it was faked.
- If you are paranoid about fakery in tickling videos, or simply just don't trust your own judgement when it comes to 'lees' reactions, that's your problem. (Not the producers'.)
- You can never know - beyond any possible doubt, that is - whether a 'lee's reaction is genuine.
- Reactions to tickling can differ from person to person.
- If a reaction isn't what you were expecting or what you wanted, that doesn't necessarily mean it was faked.
- If you are paranoid about fakery in tickling videos, or simply just don't trust your own judgement when it comes to 'lees' reactions, that's your problem. (Not the producers'.)
- You can never know - beyond any possible doubt, that is - whether a 'lee's reaction is genuine.
I already shoot tickle challenges where models have to try not to react - others do that too. The reactions to that scenario are wildly different from model to model. Some can't hold it in for more than a few seconds whereas others will go a full minute without making so much as a squeak - and then feel like they nearly died because of it. Some people will literally just hold their breath when they're concentrating that hard, despite the fact that they are extremely ticklish and would be screaming normally. You would no doubt assume that must mean they are faking it the rest of the time but that isn't correct. The ability to not react (or at least be silent) when needs must is far more common than you would think.
People's reactions are so different depending on the way they are wired up, their own feelings at that specific moment, and the psychology of the situation. A model can be so worried about getting tickled that they think themselves out of it and don't feel a thing. They can then show up and shoot two weeks later without the same anxiety and be ridiculously ticklish. Sometimes, overly tight bondage can be so distracting, uncomfortable and restrictive on the circulation that the model feels barely able to laugh. The same model may then go completely crazy with no bondage at all. People's perceptions of 'real' reactions are often very different to the reality.
Well said!
Since, you stated you "outed her", who are you talking about?
I agree with this for the most part; however, some models are horrible actresses and it is quite obvious they are faking, or at the least prone to extreme exaggerating. I've probably been fooled on multiple occasions by a good actress, but on the other hand I do not believe there are a lot of false positives.
While I do not want to put words in COOLCAT's mouth, what I think he is getting at is that most tickling in the real word is not based on a monetary transaction. The vast majority of these models are not appearing in these videos because they love tickling, but because they are getting paid. Coolcat, if this was not what you meant, please feel free to correct me.
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I tend not to overthink it. On a video it doesn't matter to me if they are faking or not as I can't feel what they are anyway. The only time it bothers me is when it is ridiculously bad acting or when you can see they aren't even touching the person. I've seen beach tickling videos where you can see the shadow of the tool being used, making it obvious that the object isn't touching them.
That may be true but it doesn't have anything to do with 'fakery'. If you paid an escort (or even someone you met on your travels) to let you tickle them would that mean they were faking it, just because it's not a 'natural' situation? It's a bit like saying a blowjob in a porn video is not a real blowjob because they are actors getting paid.
Let me try to explain it this way: In pornos, the actors and actress actual have sex. If you believe, however, sex should be like it is a porno, then you are going to be disappointed. When we look to the tickling world, most tickling is not like it occurs in videos. The reactions in videos are often exaggerated, sometimes slightly, at other times immensely. In real life there is no reason to exaggerate, but in videos the more ticklish a mode is or appears to be has a direct bearing on how much money she could make. That is great incentive to exaggerate.
Only if they are working with producers who prefer exaggerated reactions - I don't. I specifically ask models not to exaggerate or try to react in a certain way because I want completely natural reactions. I'm far from alone in that respect either.
There's a misguided concept that all producers want models to over-act or ham up their responses because that is the style increasingly adopted by a small number of well-known producers (in response to customer demand). Based on these specific examples, you then deduce that this must a desirable quality to all producers. It isn't. If a model does this in my clips, I have to stop shooting and remind them not to act. If they can't help acting/exaggerating, then their clips are no good to me and they don't get released. Therefore, the models don't get re-booked = less work for them. The idea of paying someone more to go over the top seems absurd to me.
My point was that the tickling is real whether the model is getting paid or not (and sex is still real even if you pay someone for it). Money doesn't make someone less ticklish and models don't get paid extra for being more ticklish. In my experience, it's kind of the opposite of the way you think it is
Yeah I think I agree with other producers here, all is in the casting phase.
We (at GT) try to have a healthy process where we ask for a fake project first, try to get an honnest answer, and then we share the real project.
We often know the models before asking too, so we are sure they are ticklish (It's still hard to get Hyper ticklish girls but it happens ! )
We (at GT) try to have a healthy process where we ask for a fake project first, try to get an honnest answer, and then we share the real project.
We often know the models before asking too, so we are sure they are ticklish (It's still hard to get Hyper ticklish girls but it happens ! )
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Which clip or model begged for mercy? Did she seem any more ticklish than others?
Only if they are working with producers who prefer exaggerated reactions - I don't. I specifically ask models not to exaggerate or try to react in a certain way because I want completely natural reactions. I'm far from alone in that respect either.
There's a misguided concept that all producers want models to over-act or ham up their responses because that is the style increasingly adopted by a small number of well-known producers (in response to customer demand). Based on these specific examples, you then deduce that this must a desirable quality to all producers. It isn't. If a model does this in my clips, I have to stop shooting and remind them not to act. If they can't help acting/exaggerating, then their clips are no good to me and they don't get released. Therefore, the models don't get re-booked = less work for them. The idea of paying someone more to go over the top seems absurd to me.
My point was that the tickling is real whether the model is getting paid or not (and sex is still real even if you pay someone for it). Money doesn't make someone less ticklish and models don't get paid extra for being more ticklish. In my experience, it's kind of the opposite of the way you think it is
In porn the intercourse may be real, but there is good chance the orgasm may be fake. In a tickling video, you may have a ticklish girl, but her reactions may be exaggerated, and the dialogue is often coached. I agree that the videos with fake horrible plots are the same videos with the horrible fake reactions. (I've never understood why people like fake plot, but to each their own) Still, if you are going to claim that none of your models have ever exaggerated just a little bit, then I'm going to be a little bit skeptical about that claim. I understand that you may not pay a model for being more ticklish for that shoot; however, if a model is only moderately ticklish, then she most likely is not going to sell as well, and in turn you are not going to get booked again; thus she would be paid less. It is in the model's best interest to be as ticklish as possible.
