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Male-centric

Jayxay

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Hey everybody, so I know there are many people enthusiastically representing every type of gender category that we can find on this site, but I feel like when I look at the outline of the site itself, it's pretty tailored towards straight men... am I right? Being a straight man myself, it took me an awful long time to notice this, but the ads, the pics of the week, the links to videos and most of anything seems like it calls out to the male. Do any of you agree with this or have a different perspective? Is there potentially some way to make things more inclusive?
 
It is very male centered. It’s the same with any other fetish or porn site. Idk what could be done because the majority of the users here are men so it’s mostly catered to them. Same with the tickling content that is produced. It would be nice for our minority of women to have some more representation though I agree.
 
I'm a straight female. I'm new to the forum but I do get this vibe. I have no interest in the porn on here. I come for the discussions and occasionally read some of the erotica. But the fact is more men have this fetish than women. I have barely interacted with other females on this forum so far. Only men seem to reach out to me. I wish there was a stronger female presence on here, but I think it is unlikely.
 
Well, the majority of people on tickle fetish sites and that buy tickle content are men so it SHOULD be male-centric. Just like how women have things that don't cater to men and gays have thingts that don't cater to straight, men shoudl be allowed to have things that cater to use since we're the ones that make them as successful as they're without being forced to be inclusive. For some reason anything that's seen as male centic is "bad" and need to change to be more "progressive" while everyone else get's to be as inexclusive as they want.
 
Ditto on the fact that the demo drives the site's direction. If TMF did a census, and somehow got every member to answer it, I would suspect the breakdown would be about 75 percent men and 25 percent women, with 10-20 percent of each gender LGBT. I think we should get some points for having a more diverse community than when I joined circa 2002, when I'd say it was more or less 90-10, with maybe 5 percent LGBT and about 90 percent white. Not saying diversity per se makes us all virtuous and great, but the implication/vibe I got from this post was the site is dominated by straight, white men, which I would dispute as of about 10 years ago.
 
If you are talking about media content and ads, then that's because it's men that overwhelmingly pay for that stuff (i.e.click banners and buy clips). Those are the things which in turn, supply the content for the site and help fund it so there's nothing really surprising about that. There are I suspect, many more male than female users on the site but there's nothing to prevent female members from joining or starting discussions, posting content, setting up websites and buying ad space etc.

This question has come up before and I always think it strange as it seems pretty self-evident why the majority of images, videos, banners etc would be geared towards men. You could question why the forum is geared more towards US citizens and not the rest of the world (when there may actually be more 'international' members and lurkers on the forum than those from north america. It's because the forum is based in the US of course, created and moderated by people from the US and the majority of sites are US based. I don't have a problem with any of that incidentally - around half my customers are from the US too. I'm just pointing out that not everything needs to meet a quota!
 
Yeah, it makes sense when put like that. Now I suppose the question is, why are men typically the buyers of clips and porn? I suppose this dives more into the nature of sexuality itself and how that sexuality is expressed within the genders/sexes.
 
Gitana, would it be possible or worthwhile to have like... a females only group?
 
For the entire month of May, all ads should just feature attractive swimmers and rugby players in all the ads and banners. That'll do the trick.
 
There is no clear indication for the passive tmf guest to determine that this site was for anyone else but straight cis dudes
 
Yeah, it makes sense when put like that. Now I suppose the question is, why are men typically the buyers of clips and porn? I suppose this dives more into the nature of sexuality itself and how that sexuality is expressed within the genders/sexes.

Basically yes. You could also ask why the majority of sex workers are female, and why most male sex workers cater to other men...it comes down to general differences in the way that men and women seek out sexual experiences.

There is no clear indication for the passive tmf guest to determine that this site was for anyone else but straight cis dudes

I don't think there's any clear indication that the site isn't for any particular group. You could remove the banner ads, and the preview clips and images from various studios, but then there'd be nothing to fund the site and not very much in the way of media.
 
Basically yes. You could also ask why the majority of sex workers are female, and why most male sex workers cater to other men...it comes down to general differences in the way that men and women seek out sexual experiences.



I don't think there's any clear indication that the site isn't for any particular group. You could remove the banner ads, and the preview clips and images from various studios, but then there'd be nothing to fund the site and not very much in the way of media.

That's fine. I see your point, but I think more could be done to improve it. I have seen the mods more actively responding to threads about touching strange women and deleting transphobic posting, so that is something. But these days I don't exactly know what the goal is here, if it's to be all-inclusive, just inclusive of the majority, or a Walmart of female celebrity body parts.
 
I believe there's also a strong correlation between tickle and foot fetishes. I realize some people into feet have no interest in tickling just like there are ticklephiles interested only in UB, but often tickling and feet go hand in hand(or hand in foot), and foot fetishes are almost exclusively a guy thing.
 
But these days I don't exactly know what the goal is here, if it's to be all-inclusive, just inclusive of the majority, or a Walmart of female celebrity body parts.

First and foremost it's a place to share tickling media, with room for discussion of related and unrelated issues also. It just happens that the majority of people producing and buying tickling media are male, and the majority of people posting pics like to post pics of females. If there were more females making and posting female-oriented content then it would probably look different. As I said earlier, the forum is also very US-centric, which is probably more noticeable to those of us who are considered 'international' members. I don't really feel that matters though as it doesn't stop people being able to access or participate in the site.
 
First and foremost it's a place to share tickling media, with room for discussion of related and unrelated issues also. It just happens that the majority of people producing and buying tickling media are male, and the majority of people posting pics like to post pics of females. If there were more females making and posting female-oriented content then it would probably look different. As I said earlier, the forum is also very US-centric, which is probably more noticeable to those of us who are considered 'international' members. I don't really feel that matters though as it doesn't stop people being able to access or participate in the site.

How do you think we can encourage more females / trans / non-binary to post?
 
Ages back I read a study (Can't remember where) which kinda went along the lines men are more likely to go for something like a video, whereas women are more likely to read erotica when it comes to getting a sexual experience. So if that studies right it makes sense that all the ads for videos are going to be aimed at men.
 
How do you think we can encourage more females / trans / non-binary to post?

Do you really need too? I mean, unless someone is actually preventing them from posting or there's an accessibility issue then surely they can decide for themselves. It's a bit like saying how do we encourage more people from Australia to post? How do we encourage more people aged 50+ to post?
 
Ages back I read a study (Can't remember where) which kinda went along the lines men are more likely to go for something like a video, whereas women are more likely to read erotica when it comes to getting a sexual experience. So if that studies right it makes sense that all the ads for videos are going to be aimed at men.

Absolutely. Women are also more likely to buy sex toys, which is why they are never really developed for men.
 
What Turtleboy says definitely makes sense, the site ads and banners have to be catered towards the market that's most likely to spend the most money on it, otherwise the site wouldn't have the money to support itself, unless all these other demographics suddenly started producing and consuming the videos. And Turtleboy is right that it comes down to the way that the majority (certainly not all) of males pursue their sexual desires. Most sex workers are female because most people spending the money are men.
And I also agree with Chicago, that the effect this has on the site itself is that it's typically pretty male-centric from the sheer aesthetic of it. And further on, that even though the trend in the sex and fetish world is only reflecting the trends of cash flow (men are the biggest customers), isn't it still possible to somehow do a little bit more to be inclusive? Maybe we can't remove the banners and ads. But maybe there is... I dunno... something else that can be done?
 
What Turtleboy says definitely makes sense, the site ads and banners have to be catered towards the market that's most likely to spend the most money on it, otherwise the site wouldn't have the money to support itself, unless all these other demographics suddenly started producing and consuming the videos. And Turtleboy is right that it comes down to the way that the majority (certainly not all) of males pursue their sexual desires. Most sex workers are female because most people spending the money are men.
And I also agree with Chicago, that the effect this has on the site itself is that it's typically pretty male-centric from the sheer aesthetic of it. And further on, that even though the trend in the sex and fetish world is only reflecting the trends of cash flow (men are the biggest customers), isn't it still possible to somehow do a little bit more to be inclusive? Maybe we can't remove the banners and ads. But maybe there is... I dunno... something else that can be done?

What needs to be done? Sorry, I don't mean to sound overly negative about this but I really don't get what isn't inclusive about the TMF? At least from a gender point of view, it's open to everyone and there's nothing to stop men or women from joining or posting, regardless of whether they're gay, straight, trans...user profiles don't actually state a person's gender or sexuality in a post and it needn't be an issue. In terms of content, it just comes down to who decides to post and female members can post female-oriented content if they want to - or not. You don't need a specific 'female' section of the forum to even things up either, you just need more females to actually post stuff.

Surely concerns over inclusivity would be better focused on people with disabilities - a subject which doesn't really come up very much, but undoubtedly affects a percentage of users. Physical and learning disabilities can really limit a person's opportunity to access (or produce) tickling material, have real-life experiences, and actually participate on the forum. Perhaps that is a bigger issue to consider?
 
Maybe it's difficult to see as you're the main target gender

This thread was about gender, not ability (though you have a point, I have seen more positive threads about disability than positive trans threads)
 
What needs to be done? Sorry, I don't mean to sound overly negative about this but I really don't get what isn't inclusive about the TMF? At least from a gender point of view, it's open to everyone and there's nothing to stop men or women from joining or posting, regardless of whether they're gay, straight, trans...user profiles don't actually state a person's gender or sexuality in a post and it needn't be an issue. In terms of content, it just comes down to who decides to post and female members can post female-oriented content if they want to - or not. You don't need a specific 'female' section of the forum to even things up either, you just need more females to actually post stuff.

Surely concerns over inclusivity would be better focused on people with disabilities - a subject which doesn't really come up very much, but undoubtedly affects a percentage of users. Physical and learning disabilities can really limit a person's opportunity to access (or produce) tickling material, have real-life experiences, and actually participate on the forum. Perhaps that is a bigger issue to consider?

Last week on a city break we saw an 'inclusive' Broadway production of King Lear, featuring Dame Glenda Jackson as the King. OK, at that level an actress can write her own ticket, and even though her performance was reminiscent of a blend between Quentin Crisp and John Hurt, at the age of 82 she did brilliantly to get through such an exhausting role at all. The Duke of Gloucester was also 'inclusively' played by a female, far less successfully and no further comment. Lear's daughters Regan, Goneril and Cordelia were of course played by women, but Cordelia doubled the part of 'The Fool', who is identified in the text as male. There were also three deaf actors onstage, signing and reciting Shakespeare 'in a manner which a hearing actor would not have', to put it euphemistically, as well as some 'actors of colour'. But I do not think the RSC would have hired any of the latter. If they'd been on a level with, say, Hugh Quarshie, Larrington Walker, Ken Nwosu, and Steve Toussaint, all present or past members of the Royal Shakespeare Company, I'd not have mentioned this.

In other words, 'inclusivity' was heavily relied upon to cast this show, rather than objectively choosing the best actor for the job.

Or the best consumer/target audience here? And to spare anyone the temptation of spurious accusation, I'll rule myself out from that group in advance, being arguably elderly and very married to a lovely wife who shares my preferences. So this is altruistic.

As Turtleboy points out, no-one is stopping anyone from posting or joining. If 'affirmative action' is taken in an attempt to raise the membership level (and I recall the days when we thought that 5,000 members would be a milestone) by making the sight more 'inclusive' and appealing to a nebulous demographic in some artificial manner, would not its edge be blunted in a morass of 'niceness', to mix a metaphor?

Let the site evolve by all means, and anyone who's been here for any length of time can confirm the turnover rate, people joining or leaving for different reasons. But please don't arbitrarily apply PC mores as a spot-fix. Niceness and inclusivity are both theoretically lovely, but there is nothing like sexuality for making a mockery of us all. In our erotic lives our preferences do not always accord with our standards, and we cannot help being excited by the oddest things, and sometimes, the oddest people.

So, unpleasantly arbitrary as it may be, perhaps it's best to let the uncertainty of why we do what we do guide us as we move along the most courageous and the most uncertain path forward, following a will o' the wisp and hoping somehow that it will all work out.
 
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Maybe it's difficult to see as you're the main target gender

This thread was about gender, not ability (though you have a point, I have seen more positive threads about disability than positive trans threads)

Contrary to popular belief, even straight white men are capable of seeing things from another's point of view.

I just don't think there is really a point being made since there's nothing to stop anyone participating (other than possible cultural/language/abillity barriers that I've pointed out). If women were being blocked or discriminated against, discouraged from posting etc then I would agree that something needs to be done, but I don't see any evidence of that. There don't appear to be as many females on the site and there could be a whole lot of reasons for that, which have nothing to do with the site itself. The only examples presented so far have been to do with ads and content being more appealing to men, and since it's predominantly men that are making, posting, viewing and funding the content that really isn't surprising.
 
Last week on a city break we saw an 'inclusive' Broadway production of King Lear, featuring Dame Glenda Jackson as the King. OK, at that level an actress can write her own ticket, and even though her performance was reminiscent of a blend between Quentin Crisp and John Hurt, at the age of 82 she did brilliantly to get through such an exhausting role at all. The Duke of Gloucester was also 'inclusively' played by a female, far less successfully and no further comment. Lear's daughters Regan, Goneril and Cordelia were of course played by women, but Cordelia doubled the part of 'The Fool', who is identified in the text as male. There were also three deaf actors onstage, signing and reciting Shakespeare 'in a manner which a hearing actor would not have', to put it euphemistically, as well as some 'actors of colour'. But I do not think the RSC would have hired any of the latter. If they'd been on a level with, say, Hugh Quarshie, Larrington Walker, Ken Nwosu, and Steve Toussaint, all present or past members of the Royal Shakespeare Company, I'd not have mentioned this.

A three hour lesson in inclusivity through the medium of Shakespeare? - I hope they gave you something for making it to the end!
 
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