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Tell me if your experience and private thoughts are anything similar to this:

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Tell me if your experience and private thoughts are anything similar to this:

Seems highly unfair that those of us who have a basic inherent need for tickling in our lives, regardless of the frequency which we require it, as a basic need for mental health, stress relief, and general happiness - not just because we love, adore, and want it, but also because we feel like better, more complete people as humans with having access to that kind of contact with another human being - are the ones who struggle the most to find a partner with whom to engage in that behavior. I suppose most "normies" and vanillas don't understand, but the ones who do understand many times want to capitalize off of it. We really shouldn't be having to pay people or companies to complete this basic function along with us if it is indeed their "thing" also, but sadly many of us are left with few other options. Those who don't have or can't afford to part with these costs are left to pine away in a perpetual state of depression and or misery over lacking and want for it.

And as if that were not bad enough, many of us have from time to time encountered or taken up with a person who for whatever reason used a carrot and stick method to drag us through whatever mean, insensitive nonsense they wished to do to us, whether due to neuropathy, sociopathy, narcissism or what have you just to keep you hanging in suspense because they KNOW full well and understand what it means to you. So you're always with a nearly empty cup.

For a large many of us, sex is of less importance - because as the last sentence in the attached photo below states - we can achieve sexual gratification on our own if so desired. The yearning for tickle play haunts us though, and that is much more difficult to do by oneself.

Thoughts?

disclaimer: I'm not ripping the content providers or fetish therapists out there who are trying. I guess it's generally a commentary on mean and insensitive judgemental folks outside our community who can't possibly grasp that there are infinite ice cream flavors...

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My thought is there are plenty of ways to get what you want out of life without paying for it, but many aren't easy. Nothing worthwhile ever is.

I'm sure my words will mean nothing though, as I'm a female so my experiences are discounted mostly when it comes to this topic.

Ultimately, you have to be your own advocate and motivator.
 
Maybe if you could treat people as human beings, with their own desires, and leave off pigeonholing them as "normies" and "vanillas", you'd have a lot more luck.
 
I suppose most "normies" and vanillas don't understand, but the ones who do understand many times want to capitalize off of it. We really shouldn't be having to pay people or companies to complete this basic function along with us if it is indeed their "thing" also, but sadly many of us are left with few other options. Those who don't have or can't afford to part with these costs are left to pine away in a perpetual state of depression and or misery over lacking and want for it.

And as if that were not bad enough, many of us have from time to time encountered or taken up with a person who for whatever reason used a carrot and stick method to drag us through whatever mean, insensitive nonsense they wished to do to us, whether due to neuropathy, sociopathy, narcissism or what have you just to keep you hanging in suspense because they KNOW full well and understand what it means to you. So you're always with a nearly empty cup.


Congratulations you have just re-stated the core of the Incel philosophy almost to the word. Only you've translated it over to a fetish desire rather then a strict sexual one.

This is not a path that leads to bright places.

Once you start placing the blame on others, for something you want but have not achieved you are in effect offloading a number of things onto that 'other'. In no specific order you are giving up Responsibility for your own happiness, Fault for not achieving a desired option from oneself, a connectivity to all people in return for a us vs them outlook, and numerous paths that might work to solve ones desire.

Sex is an important part of the happiness in life. No argument there, but it's far from the only one, and a life that is made unhappy by such a singular lack warrants some self reflection and evaluation. "Why can't I (stress on the I) achieve my goal?" "What could I do to improve my chances?" "What has worked for other people that might for me?" and so on.

The biggest mistake I see people making is basing new relationships around one sexual aspect, and trying to balance all the rest on that. It's an upside down pyramid. Usually they fall over. It's always better to build a broad friendship based on many things, and then build the relationship specifics on top. It's much more work, and flies in the face of the "But I want it now!" culture we are soaking in, but it's proven to be a long term solution.

And you know what? Many 'Normies' as you like to call them figured this out ages ago and tend to not want for sex partners as a result. Because they put in the time to build relationships that allow for that. An they get along quite well.

Men have complained since the dawn of time that they are not getting what they want sexually. And that is cool, frustration needs an outlet. But once you start turning that frustration into blame or resentment, you are treading down a path that is only attractive to fellow travelers in the same boat as you. Soon you have an angry little club. And angry little clubs often do more then talk.

Myriads
 
Finding someone who is into the same thing as you isn't going to be easy, man. It takes time and effort to find that person and build a relationship with them before you dive into your desires. And even if you think they're going to be the one, they may turn out to be a vanilla. That's something you should expect.

People usually don't do sessions for free either like you said, but that's another thing you are just going to have to deal with. So if you don't want to pay, you'll have to be patience.
 
Congratulations you have just re-stated the core of the Insel philosophy almost to the word.

Myriads

That was my first thought on reading this!

It is a mindset that can be applied to almost anything you desire once you start to analyse it. E.g. 'It's unfair that luxury car makers build cars that I want but will never get to drive...' etc. Everyone experiences the frustration of wanting something they cannot obtain easily, but you can choose to see those things as something to strive for, or just as an unobtainable carrots put there to frustrate you.

And as if that were not bad enough, many of us have from time to time encountered or taken up with a person who for whatever reason used a carrot and stick method to drag us through whatever mean, insensitive nonsense they wished to do to us, whether due to neuropathy, sociopathy, narcissism or what have you just to keep you hanging in suspense because they KNOW full well and understand what it means to you. So you're always with a nearly empty cup.

At the end of the day, content producers and models (including those that don't share your fetish), performers, dommes, escorts etc may all charge for services but the reality is they provide services that many people do enjoy. That means you have options, even if your personal circumstances, relationships etc aren't really working out for you or giving you the chance to have the experiences you want. Take those options away and I feel you'd have more to be unhappy about....and if someone is exploiting you financially, then move on and find someone better. The fact that so many people are willing to indulge others' fantasies for a living means you that you can always find someone better.
 
That is life. Work on yourself (health, income, and personality) and you will have a better chance of finding someone open to it. There are a ton of foot fetish guys who are married and I am sure tickling is included in their activities. I would actually encourage you to visit for a paid session. You will be meeting people who are in the tickling community and who knows where that leads. You may find a model who is near you or it leads you to finding someone.

It is actually good you came here to complain too. People will give advice and if you need to vent about having this fetish, this is the place to do it. Think about this way, how many of the amateur photos and true stories about guys and their wife/girlfriend?
 
Tell me if your experience and private thoughts are anything similar to this:

Seems highly unfair that those of us who have a basic inherent need for tickling in our lives, regardless of the frequency which we require it, as a basic need for mental health, stress relief, and general happiness - not just because we love, adore, and want it, but also because we feel like better, more complete people as humans with having access to that kind of contact with another human being - are the ones who struggle the most to find a partner with whom to engage in that behavior. I suppose most "normies" and vanillas don't understand, but the ones who do understand many times want to capitalize off of it. We really shouldn't be having to pay people or companies to complete this basic function along with us if it is indeed their "thing" also, but sadly many of us are left with few other options. Those who don't have or can't afford to part with these costs are left to pine away in a perpetual state of depression and or misery over lacking and want for it.

And as if that were not bad enough, many of us have from time to time encountered or taken up with a person who for whatever reason used a carrot and stick method to drag us through whatever mean, insensitive nonsense they wished to do to us, whether due to neuropathy, sociopathy, narcissism or what have you just to keep you hanging in suspense because they KNOW full well and understand what it means to you. So you're always with a nearly empty cup.

For a large many of us, sex is of less importance - because as the last sentence in the attached photo below states - we can achieve sexual gratification on our own if so desired. The yearning for tickle play haunts us though, and that is much more difficult to do by oneself.

Thoughts?

disclaimer: I'm not ripping the content providers or fetish therapists out there who are trying. I guess it's generally a commentary on mean and insensitive judgemental folks outside our community who can't possibly grasp that there are infinite ice cream flavors...

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Seems as though you are emotionally unhealthly when it comes to tickling and I honestly feel sorry for you sir.

At the risk of being citized for this statement, I HIGHLY ADVISE you to read, re-read and memorize the first three responses from Chicago, Wolf and Myraids as they collevtively diagonse and offer very sound suggestions to deal with your issue.
 
Congratulations you have just re-stated the core of the Insel philosophy almost to the word. Only you've translated it over to a fetish desire rather then a strict sexual one.

This is not a path that leads to bright places.

Once you start placing the blame on others, for something you want but have not achieved you are in effect offloading a number of things onto that 'other'. In no specific order you are giving up Responsibility for your own happiness, Fault for not achieving a desired option from oneself, a connectivity to all people in return for a us vs them outlook, and numerous paths that might work to solve ones desire.

Sex is an important part of the happiness in life. No argument there, but it's far from the only one, and a life that is made unhappy by such a singular lack warrants some self reflection and evaluation. "Why can't I (stress on the I) achieve my goal?" "What could I do to improve my chances?" "What has worked for other people that might for me?" and so on.

The biggest mistake I see people making is basing new relationships around one sexual aspect, and trying to balance all the rest on that. It's an upside down pyramid. Usually they fall over. It's always better to build a broad friendship based on many things, and then build the relationship specifics on top. It's much more work, and flies in the face of the "But I want it now!" culture we are soaking in, but it's proven to be a long term solution.

And you know what? Many 'Normies' as you like to call them figured this out ages ago and tend to not want for sex partners as a result. Because they put in the time to build relationships that allow for that. An they get along quite well.

Men have complained since the dawn of time that they are not getting what they want sexually. And that is cool, frustration needs an outlet. But once you start turning that frustration into blame or resentment, you are treading down a path that is only attractive to fellow travelers in the same boat as you. Soon you have an angry little club. And angry little clubs often do more then talk.

Myriads

Thing is: women are biologically noble while men are biologically peasant. A naked man isn't anywhere near to be as sexually appealing as a naked woman. Fact. Based on the amount of T you have (even ftm transexuals confirmed this feeling). So i've seen many many many obese and ugly women having a better sexual/relational/social life than a good looking guy just because he had asperger and couldn't feel the social vibe and interact properly. Denying this is kinda like denying that the grass is green. I'm myself an incel. And no: it's not an "ideology" it's about stating a fact: you are involuntarily celibate; you'd like to have a partner but you just can't so you have to pay for it or simply live without that. I've tried many times but i've allways been rejected sexually by women and socially by most neurotypical guys while all the girls i know don't have those problems. Your jocking about this matter that often leads to isolation, depression, homelessness and suicide (especially suicide and depression) just shows how little compassion and understanding you have. Both me and my sister have problems with social anxiety but while she's still somehow succeeding and having a well off rich boyrfiend i'm failing and alone and had problems with depression. Same problematics, different outcomes based on gender perception. If you just deny that you can fuck off since you'r not even worth a conversation.

Besides all of that: the post wasn't even about "inceldom" it was about sharing a difficulty and an hardship that even "normies" can feel but you just saw a word that somehow stimulated a connection with an immaginary "ideology" you hate and so you just got ideologically blindsided and went on a rant about a non-existing problem mocking weak and isolated people.
From a non-US citizen it's really unbelieavable how ideology just dumbed down collectively an entire country. Thank god i live far away from there, in Southern Europe.
 
Maybe if you could treat people as human beings, with their own desires, and leave off pigeonholing them as "normies" and "vanillas", you'd have a lot more luck.
Bla bla bla
Same platitude countered several times proving how many psychopath criminals do have many women while non functional good guys don't have one (and no i'm not saying women love bad boys per se, i'm saying they like strenght, confidence, looks and so on so that a FUNCTIONAL good guy is better than a non functional bad guy in the same way a functional bad guy is better than a non functional good guy. In the ends it's functionality that matters, not being good or bad, that are nearly entirely socially defined and many times non-biological).

Also, as i stated before, this thread wasn't about inceldom: you just saw a word that annoyed you and just threw a whole post in the trash bin
 
My thought is there are plenty of ways to get what you want out of life without paying for it, but many aren't easy. Nothing worthwhile ever is.

I'm sure my words will mean nothing though, as I'm a female so my experiences are discounted mostly when it comes to this topic.

Ultimately, you have to be your own advocate and motivator.

I have to admit you at least tried to be reasonable and understand him. While i confirm that no woman will ever feel something near to this problem (actually being FORCED to PAY for sex or erotic-based stuff or companionship) since even tetraplegic girls tend to have lovers (there is a very famous one in my country who is hairy, highly disabled and really ugly and still have several proposals) i thank you for staying polite and semi-compassionate
 
There's two things in my opinion. One is the sexual aspect, but I always thought it's pointless to always focus on the sexual aspect. Sexual needs are not needs like my need for a glass of water or food. I can live without sex, although of course it would be a bit of a sad life, but there are other things that would make a life sad too. And for me the sexual is never a reason to be frustrated, because there are many many more things that make life a worthwhile experience, especially having friends and people you can rely on and give you human warmth. I mean, I don't like that the discussions are always centered around sexual pleasure, and not around human warmth, because more people feeling increasingly lonely is a fact, as has been found out by several studies, I can link them if anyone is interested. Now I don't think that people are getting more lonely because more people are lacking social skills. This would be a very weird explanation, since then you would have to explain why there are more people with less social skills. I think it's of course a mixture of several societal factors that contribute to this. But this also means that when you speak of responsibility for your own happiness, you have to admit that there are some factors that do not depend on yourself, or on yourself alone. And if the increasingly felt solitude of more and more people is in fact attributable to several societal factors, then I think if someone is "miserable" because of a lonely life, it's not sufficient to just tell that person that he or she is lacking in social skills.

Of course you are able to raise your chances of meeting people and forming meaningful relationships, whether sexual or not, by just get out more, try to meet new people etc. This is common knowledge and I think here lies of course responsibility for your own actions, if indeed you just sit at home and wait for this special person to arrive, but you do nothing for it and you have indeed contempt for the gender that you desire or whatever - yes of course, then maybe you should first work on your attitude and your general outlook on life and yourself too. I have sometimes thought that I still need to work on myself to meet someone, even though I've had relationships before. But in the meantime, and while the "luck factor" doesn't kick in, I focus on other, more important things, and especially on my friends, on whom I can always rely. So there's two sides to this coin, I think, that there's a reason why more and more people can't connect to people, but that this opens a "downward spiral" for some, that lead them to actions which put you in a worse situation than before.
 
Yeah... I don't think this is really an "us" thing this seems to be a problem among those who have an extreme tickle fetish and at the same time lack the most basic social skills, that can be an issue when you have a kink most don't have but don't know how to introduce it to a significant other without coming off as obsessive. I've never needed tickling in order to achice sexual gratification it's just a side kink for me not something that consumes my very being. But in the end getting a woman isn't exactly rocket science, just be upfront and direct with your intentions and if they're interested they will ablige. Unfortunely while getting a woman isn't difficult there are some extreme examples of men that'll be unable to attract a woman, or a woman of a certain attraction level, whether it's because of how low their social IQ's are or they may simply be far too unattractive. Those tend to be the on become incels, of course, a lot of these incels could talk to women they could attracually get but feel intiteld to certain type of women that will simply never have any interest in them and that's what makes them frustrated.
 
Birds of a feather. Incels, those on either wing of the political fringe, radical separatist feminists and their male equivalents along with sexual psychopaths of whatever orientation have one thing in common- consciously or unconsciously, they all work pretty hard, and are actually quite successful at being unaware of how revolting they are to the average person.
 
Thanks for the reply it is helpful in carrying the discussion forward.

Thing is: women are biologically noble while men are biologically peasant. A naked man isn't anywhere near to be as sexually appealing as a naked woman. Fact. Based on the amount of T you have (even ftm transexuals confirmed this feeling). So i've seen many many many obese and ugly women having a better sexual/relational/social life than a good looking guy just because he had asperger and couldn't feel the social vibe and interact properly. Denying this is kinda like denying that the grass is green.

There is a sampling bias in your argument. You fail to note that there are lots of unattractive males that attract partners also. Just because you can’t, and those that you cluster within a silo community where you echo chamber your feelings doesn’t mean that your situation produces the same results in all other males that are ‘equal’ to you in your own eyes. Many succeed. Your experience is not universal. And as such its not a great foundation for an argument.

And the "women are biologically noble and males are peasant" outlook is a line of thought that was discarded quite some time ago by experts in the social and biological fields. It’s junk-bin stuff these days.

Males and females use DIFFERENT criteria to pick mates. Looks are one point of difference. There are many others. The genders don’t approach from the same set of views, and it’s one reason social interaction is complicated. Both sides need to understand the others ‘language’ well enough to play the social game.

I’ve also observed that your fellow community members tend to reject women that do approach them when they don’t meet their own beauty standards. There seems to be an element of wanting specific partners that meet a high standard rather then any who might show interest. It’s an interesting hypocrisy in the Incel outlook. How would you handle a woman who did accept your approach who turned out to not be as ticklish as you hope, or where you hope? Are some women ‘better’ then others, and you only want the ‘better’ ones? Perhaps women want ‘better’ partners also.

I'm myself an incel. And no: it's not an "ideology" it's about stating a fact: you are involuntarily celibate; you'd like to have a partner but you just can't so you have to pay for it or simply live without that.

It IS an ideology because it’s an opinion put forward by part of the greater group of all males that fall into the conditions you note. Not all men hold your opinion. Your beliefs are not a “fact” they are the experience of yourself, and a number of others. That’s a data point. Not a fact. A large number of your fellow males hold different outlooks that are counter to your ‘fact’.

Also it’s not that you CAN’T find a partner, it’s that you have YET to find one. There are no promises of speed in achievement of a relationship, nor even that you do get one. There is a core of entitlement in your statement that underlies the opinions. It’s not a good look.

I've tried many times but i've always been rejected sexually by women and socially by most neurotypical guys while all the girls i know don't have those problems.

Yet many of your fellow males with your exact same condition achieve relationships. Why did they and not you? There are numerous reasons, and most of them lie not in what you are, but how you present that. And rejection is something that almost every male faces in their life. You ask and are turned down. It happens. You take it as feedback, and move on to try again.

Your joking about this matter that often leads to isolation, depression, homelessness and suicide (especially suicide and depression) just shows how little compassion and understanding you have. Both me and my sister have problems with social anxiety but while she's still somehow succeeding and having a well off rich boyrfiend i'm failing and alone and had problems with depression. Same problematics, different outcomes based on gender perception. If you just deny that you can fuck off since you'r not even worth a conversation.

I’m interested to see what you considered a joke in my earlier note. I’ve not demeaned your situation nor made light of it. You are projecting your own feelings into my words to see what you want. If I was out to make a joke of your situation you’d 100% know it.

It’s regretful that you and your sister suffer social anxiety. It can be a crippling mental handicap. It limits options and opportunities. And yes, depression is one of the real possible outcomes from dealing with it. Hopefully you can find appropriate aid that can improve your situation.

It’s good that your sister found a partner in spite of the same handicap that holds you back. Do you think the rich boyfriend settled for her because she was an available woman and he had no other options? Or perhaps was he attracted to other qualities then the fact she was a body to fuck? I ask because thats the exact argument your ‘philosophy’ says is in play here. She gets laid because she’s simply a woman, and males will take her for no other reason then that ignoring all other issues she may have. Does the argument feel a bit different when applied to your sister? Broad categorization of a whole gender can bite you like that.

Besides all of that: the post wasn't even about "inceldom" it was about sharing a difficulty and an hardship that even "normies" can feel but you just saw a word that somehow stimulated a connection with an immaginary "ideology" you hate and so you just got ideologically blindsided and went on a rant about a non-existing problem mocking weak and isolated people.

The OP certainly stimulated a connection by the way he phrased his outlook. It matches the outlook of many Incels that I have encountered and debated with over the years. Many from this forum. It was worth pointing out the similarities as it let the OP see where his argument might have similar problems as the Incel ones does. No idea dropped is without context and history, and placing a line of thought next to a similar one is always a good stating point to begin discussion.

I also do not ‘hate’ the Incel perspective or philosophy. I pity it. I see it as a road that takes young men off into the wilderness and drops them off a cliff like lemmings. It is an attempt to move responsibility and blame from oneself to outside factors for ones state in the world. Which is a branch of fatalism that can infect people and move them toward radical positions. And that makes life harder for the entire society.

Finally I pity the view because it reduces women to sexual objects to be ‘fought over and won’ like some prize at a carnival. It makes sex the basis for interaction. And relationships are about so much more then sex. To focus on sex to the exclusion of all other things that can flow from interaction is just sad. It’s as if the Incel philosophy regards all of that other as worthless, sacrificed on the alter of getting laid as the only thing that matters.

I built this forum to SPEAK to the ‘weak and isolated’. For 20 years I and the staff here have worked to build a place where people who feel alone, weird, and wrong about what they like have a place to talk. So making the argument that I dismiss such folk is a pretty silly one. But again, I read that as projection of what you want to see on me, not what is. So it’s cool.

Myriads
 
I have only heard of this Incel Philosophy recently and I have to say you definitely fit the description.
I don’t want to say it’s OK to kick you while you’re down and say it’s your fault for not getting up.
How about some motivation words to help you help yourself.

Waiting for the winds of change
To sweep the clouds away
Waiting for the rainbow's end
To cast its gold your way
Countless ways
You pass the days

Waiting for someone to call
And turn your world around
Looking for an answer to
The questions you have found
Looking for
An open door

For more try listening to some Rush: Something for nothing.
 
Thanks for the reply it is helpful in carrying the discussion forward.



There is a sampling bias in your argument. You fail to note that there are lots of unattractive males that attract partners also. Just because you can’t, and those that you cluster within a silo community where you echo chamber your feelings doesn’t mean that your situation produces the same results in all other males that are ‘equal’ to you in your own eyes. Many succeed. Your experience is not universal. And as such its not a great foundation for an argument.

And the "women are biologically noble and males are peasant" outlook is a line of thought that was discarded quite some time ago by experts in the social and biological fields. It’s junk-bin stuff these days.

Males and females use DIFFERENT criteria to pick mates. Looks are one point of difference. There are many others. The genders don’t approach from the same set of views, and it’s one reason social interaction is complicated. Both sides need to understand the others ‘language’ well enough to play the social game.

I’ve also observed that your fellow community members tend to reject women that do approach them when they don’t meet their own beauty standards. There seems to be an element of wanting specific partners that meet a high standard rather then any who might show interest. It’s an interesting hypocrisy in the Incel outlook. How would you handle a woman who did accept your approach who turned out to not be as ticklish as you hope, or where you hope? Are some women ‘better’ then others, and you only want the ‘better’ ones? Perhaps women want ‘better’ partners also.



It IS an ideology because it’s an opinion put forward by part of the greater group of all males that fall into the conditions you note. Not all men hold your opinion. Your beliefs are not a “fact” they are the experience of yourself, and a number of others. That’s a data point. Not a fact. A large number of your fellow males hold different outlooks that are counter to your ‘fact’.

Also it’s not that you CAN’T find a partner, it’s that you have YET to find one. There are no promises of speed in achievement of a relationship, nor even that you do get one. There is a core of entitlement in your statement that underlies the opinions. It’s not a good look.



Yet many of your fellow males with your exact same condition achieve relationships. Why did they and not you? There are numerous reasons, and most of them lie not in what you are, but how you present that. And rejection is something that almost every male faces in their life. You ask and are turned down. It happens. You take it as feedback, and move on to try again.



I’m interested to see what you considered a joke in my earlier note. I’ve not demeaned your situation nor made light of it. You are projecting your own feelings into my words to see what you want. If I was out to make a joke of your situation you’d 100% know it.

It’s regretful that you and your sister suffer social anxiety. It can be a crippling mental handicap. It limits options and opportunities. And yes, depression is one of the real possible outcomes from dealing with it. Hopefully you can find appropriate aid that can improve your situation.

It’s good that your sister found a partner in spite of the same handicap that holds you back. Do you think the rich boyfriend settled for her because she was an available woman and he had no other options? Or perhaps was he attracted to other qualities then the fact she was a body to fuck? I ask because thats the exact argument your ‘philosophy’ says is in play here. She gets laid because she’s simply a woman, and males will take her for no other reason then that ignoring all other issues she may have. Does the argument feel a bit different when applied to your sister? Broad categorization of a whole gender can bite you like that.



The OP certainly stimulated a connection by the way he phrased his outlook. It matches the outlook of many Incels that I have encountered and debated with over the years. Many from this forum. It was worth pointing out the similarities as it let the OP see where his argument might have similar problems as the Incel ones does. No idea dropped is without context and history, and placing a line of thought next to a similar one is always a good stating point to begin discussion.

I also do not ‘hate’ the Incel perspective or philosophy. I pity it. I see it as a road that takes young men off into the wilderness and drops them off a cliff like lemmings. It is an attempt to move responsibility and blame from oneself to outside factors for ones state in the world. Which is a branch of fatalism that can infect people and move them toward radical positions. And that makes life harder for the entire society.

Finally I pity the view because it reduces women to sexual objects to be ‘fought over and won’ like some prize at a carnival. It makes sex the basis for interaction. And relationships are about so much more then sex. To focus on sex to the exclusion of all other things that can flow from interaction is just sad. It’s as if the Incel philosophy regards all of that other as worthless, sacrificed on the alter of getting laid as the only thing that matters.

I built this forum to SPEAK to the ‘weak and isolated’. For 20 years I and the staff here have worked to build a place where people who feel alone, weird, and wrong about what they like have a place to talk. So making the argument that I dismiss such folk is a pretty silly one. But again, I read that as projection of what you want to see on me, not what is. So it’s cool.

Myriads

1 Those males achieve relationship through social dominance, status, money. It has been proven again and again. Also, women ARE de facto biologically noble since it only takes one men to breed with several women while a women won't breed successfully with a lot of men. Also, wanna talk about gametes? Male gametes are only aviable some days at month for 25 years while male gametes are available ALLWAYS every day by the billions from puberty to death. Women ARE biologically noble simpel because the male gametes are hyper inflated and this is why nature designed men willing to mate to nearly every woman while woman pick the best man since they have inner consciousness about the fact that they are risking more and investing more when it comes to sexual intercourse since their eggs are terribly limited in relation to male gametes

2 No, this has been answered several times and it's frustrating even to start answering it again: we do not reject women that don't fit our stereotypes, we tryied with several women and allways got rejected and with times we started being isolated even by normie men so we formed our own circles with people with the same experiences and the same unluck

3 As stated in point 3 inceldom is NOT an ideology, rather a group of people with different backgrounds, different political ideology, different age, differen EVERYTHING that share a common problem. Saying "I'm an incel" is STATING A FACT not an ideology. Is stating that you can't have a partner no matter how hard you tried (and you know nothing about me but i can assure you i've tried several times and been rejected even by fat ugly women why they enjoyed multiple partners. SImply i wasn't able to compensate my aspergerism with decent amount of look, money, social status, labour skills and so on and so forth). If a man doesn't share my belief (which belief? LoL) and he is not able to find a partner, guess what, HE IS STILL AN INCEL, wheter he likes that or not, he is de facto an INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE by the mere definition of that term

4 Lol, again, ignore all the evidence i gave especially about my life and start the NPC talking with the same catch-word, catch-phrase and so on. "Entitlement" allways the same fucking words (then wonder why they call you npc) even without a single evicende of "entitlement!!!111" or even without knowing shit about my life and the hardship i went through. Same lack of understanding and compassion and capability to analyze stuff instead of going full-ideologist.
I don't have a girlfriend yet? You know what "trends" are? You know what "observing a trend" means? I don't have a girlfriend and i can't for sure foresee the future but i can analyze my lived experience (i'm not a kid anymore and i lived enough to notice stuff) and see how the trend was, why it was like that, why it will probably never change due to low possibilities at work, aging, being more and more lonely and socially incapable so i can make a quite good prediction even if not 100% sure (like every other prediction)

5 My sister isn't "getting laid" she has friends, companionship and a well off partner who will probably marry her. She is 100% like me in looks and very similar in personality. The only discriminating factor is SHE IS FEMALE. This is something even her admitted and even my parents did. She has higher SMV thane me for being a woman and social insecurities aren't seen as a turn off or "lack of femininity" (like they are lack of masculinity for me) by male partners that instead find them quite interesting since they feel like they are helping a cute girl. That's soooo simple. Why do i have to endure every rejection while she got to experience a wonderfull adolescence, being the one who rejected and still managing to find several guys despite her social problems? LoL reality denying at its finest here.

6 Typical woman shaming male incapability. You are hardwired to do so and to despise male weakness so i won't blame you for it, i'll just understand it's impossible to even have you to understand our position. Maybe you should try to do the same experiment Norah Vincent did (read her book) disguising herself as a man for 2 years and being at risk of a nervous breackdown because of that realizing how hard it is to be a low status feminine looking men. Guess what? The first ones to discriminate against her for her feminine looks were WOMEN not other men (rejecting her sexually). She even stated that women "has absolutely no clue" of what actually means to be a man (i'm not talking shit, search for her interview online, she exactly stated this). So maybe a little try would be appreciated instead of blaming even tho you'll never understand us seriously. Lol, many of my young male friends are incels with no jobs, in USA in the last yaer nearly 30% of youn men under 30 never had sex and 27% are virgins. 51% of 18-51 men are single. Do you really think it can go on that further after it explodes in serious phisical violence and violent revolution (maybe the only way we have to be noticed and loved by women)?

7 As stated in the thread and in point 6, I AM NOT SEEING WOMEN AS OBJECTS TO CONQUER (holy shit, americans, why did you dumb down so much?) i'm actually saying that i can't get women SINCE I 'M NOT CAPABLE TO BE THAT KIND OF MAN THAT THEY FEEL AS A STRONG CONQUEROR AND A RICH PROVIDER AND A STRONG EMOTIONAL HELPER. Women do love strong powerfull men. Again: thousands of studies and many ftm transexuals (and even the aforementioned Norah Vincent) experienced that. Women. Love. Powerfull. Men. The more they are free the more they tend to go for the bigger men, not the "egalitarian" or equal ones like i've allways been (or worse, men who are lower than them). Why do you think career women can't find "a good man" and just live alone and miserable. THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD MEN but they refuse to date down with a lower status man and they can't find an upper status man since they are at the top and have virtually no man over them. SIMPLE. BIOLOGY. Things are a little more complicated and biologically rooted than YOUR obvious ideology wants to make you believe

8 You entire post is a projection of what you want me to be and what you want INCELS to be, yet untrue, unaware, superficial and really irritating. How do you manage to match your beliefs with the facts that criminals have tons of women while good men, if weak, have often none? Or the fact that many incels love femdom stuff, weren't they male supremacists who only wanted to enslave women? Or the fact that the more sexually free women are the more they go for top tier men and leave the normal ones alone? Or the fact that the more sexually free our society becomes the more we see men going to prostitutes (in my country something like 50% of adult men admitted having been to a prostitute for erotic services or sex, a percentage that become higher and higer with time)? Don't you see the terrible contraddiction, the terrible dissonant paradox?
If you can't i swear this is the last message because i fully realize while they call all of you NPCs. You country, your generation and your gender just built you an ideological mindset simply impossible to question (and it is totally not related to reality, the worst part) and discussing stuff like that is simply wasting time. Only thing i have left is cheering about the fact that you are loosing more and more cultural power and your country is becoming more and more irrelevant.
 
Birds of a feather. Incels, those on either wing of the political fringe, radical separatist feminists and their male equivalents along with sexual psychopaths of whatever orientation have one thing in common- consciously or unconsciously, they all work pretty hard, and are actually quite successful at being unaware of how revolting they are to the average person.

With the except that ragefull and hatefull feminists are furstrated because they can't find that one man tha is good enough to satisfy them while many of us simply are rejected by all women and ex ante destroyed in the free market (both economically and sexually). So maybe we have a point in AT LEAST complaining and meeting with other guys in the same situation to share experiences and to help each other.
Hell,even in mainstream media here they are talking about the huge difference in the possibilities in sexual market value between men and women that is leading to an explosion of the underground prostitution/femdom market (and it's getting bigger and bigger involving especially young wealthy university going girls who are more and more into getting easy money with this stuff). So maybe there is a good point in criticizing the problems about supply and demand when it comes to male demand vs female demand since it getting out of control and now 30% of under 30 americans didn't have sex in the last year
 
1 Those males achieve relationship through social dominance, status, money. It has been proven again and again. Also, women ARE de facto biologically noble since it only takes one men to breed with several women while a women won't breed successfully with a lot of men. Also, wanna talk about gametes? Male gametes are only aviable some days at month for 25 years while male gametes are available ALLWAYS every day by the billions from puberty to death. Women ARE biologically noble simpel because the male gametes are hyper inflated and this is why nature designed men willing to mate to nearly every woman while woman pick the best man since they have inner consciousness about the fact that they are risking more and investing more when it comes to sexual intercourse since their eggs are terribly limited in relation to male gametes

2 No, this has been answered several times and it's frustrating even to start answering it again: we do not reject women that don't fit our stereotypes, we tryied with several women and allways got rejected and with times we started being isolated even by normie men so we formed our own circles with people with the same experiences and the same unluck

3 As stated in point 3 inceldom is NOT an ideology, rather a group of people with different backgrounds, different political ideology, different age, differen EVERYTHING that share a common problem. Saying "I'm an incel" is STATING A FACT not an ideology. Is stating that you can't have a partner no matter how hard you tried (and you know nothing about me but i can assure you i've tried several times and been rejected even by fat ugly women why they enjoyed multiple partners. SImply i wasn't able to compensate my aspergerism with decent amount of look, money, social status, labour skills and so on and so forth). If a man doesn't share my belief (which belief? LoL) and he is not able to find a partner, guess what, HE IS STILL AN INCEL, wheter he likes that or not, he is de facto an INVOLUNTARY CELIBATE by the mere definition of that term

4 Lol, again, ignore all the evidence i gave especially about my life and start the NPC talking with the same catch-word, catch-phrase and so on. "Entitlement" allways the same fucking words (then wonder why they call you npc) even without a single evicende of "entitlement!!!111" or even without knowing shit about my life and the hardship i went through. Same lack of understanding and compassion and capability to analyze stuff instead of going full-ideologist.
I don't have a girlfriend yet? You know what "trends" are? You know what "observing a trend" means? I don't have a girlfriend and i can't for sure foresee the future but i can analyze my lived experience (i'm not a kid anymore and i lived enough to notice stuff) and see how the trend was, why it was like that, why it will probably never change due to low possibilities at work, aging, being more and more lonely and socially incapable so i can make a quite good prediction even if not 100% sure (like every other prediction)

5 My sister isn't "getting laid" she has friends, companionship and a well off partner who will probably marry her. She is 100% like me in looks and very similar in personality. The only discriminating factor is SHE IS FEMALE. This is something even her admitted and even my parents did. She has higher SMV thane me for being a woman and social insecurities aren't seen as a turn off or "lack of femininity" (like they are lack of masculinity for me) by male partners that instead find them quite interesting since they feel like they are helping a cute girl. That's soooo simple. Why do i have to endure every rejection while she got to experience a wonderfull adolescence, being the one who rejected and still managing to find several guys despite her social problems? LoL reality denying at its finest here.

6 Typical woman shaming male incapability. You are hardwired to do so and to despise male weakness so i won't blame you for it, i'll just understand it's impossible to even have you to understand our position. Maybe you should try to do the same experiment Norah Vincent did (read her book) disguising herself as a man for 2 years and being at risk of a nervous breackdown because of that realizing how hard it is to be a low status feminine looking men. Guess what? The first ones to discriminate against her for her feminine looks were WOMEN not other men (rejecting her sexually). She even stated that women "has absolutely no clue" of what actually means to be a man (i'm not talking shit, search for her interview online, she exactly stated this). So maybe a little try would be appreciated instead of blaming even tho you'll never understand us seriously. Lol, many of my young male friends are incels with no jobs, in USA in the last yaer nearly 30% of youn men under 30 never had sex and 27% are virgins. 51% of 18-51 men are single. Do you really think it can go on that further after it explodes in serious phisical violence and violent revolution (maybe the only way we have to be noticed and loved by women)?

7 As stated in the thread and in point 6, I AM NOT SEEING WOMEN AS OBJECTS TO CONQUER (holy shit, americans, why did you dumb down so much?) i'm actually saying that i can't get women SINCE I 'M NOT CAPABLE TO BE THAT KIND OF MAN THAT THEY FEEL AS A STRONG CONQUEROR AND A RICH PROVIDER AND A STRONG EMOTIONAL HELPER. Women do love strong powerfull men. Again: thousands of studies and many ftm transexuals (and even the aforementioned Norah Vincent) experienced that. Women. Love. Powerfull. Men. The more they are free the more they tend to go for the bigger men, not the "egalitarian" or equal ones like i've allways been (or worse, men who are lower than them). Why do you think career women can't find "a good man" and just live alone and miserable. THERE ARE PLENTY OF GOOD MEN but they refuse to date down with a lower status man and they can't find an upper status man since they are at the top and have virtually no man over them. SIMPLE. BIOLOGY. Things are a little more complicated and biologically rooted than YOUR obvious ideology wants to make you believe

8 You entire post is a projection of what you want me to be and what you want INCELS to be, yet untrue, unaware, superficial and really irritating. How do you manage to match your beliefs with the facts that criminals have tons of women while good men, if weak, have often none? Or the fact that many incels love femdom stuff, weren't they male supremacists who only wanted to enslave women? Or the fact that the more sexually free women are the more they go for top tier men and leave the normal ones alone? Or the fact that the more sexually free our society becomes the more we see men going to prostitutes (in my country something like 50% of adult men admitted having been to a prostitute for erotic services or sex, a percentage that become higher and higer with time)? Don't you see the terrible contraddiction, the terrible dissonant paradox?
If you can't i swear this is the last message because i fully realize while they call all of you NPCs. You country, your generation and your gender just built you an ideological mindset simply impossible to question (and it is totally not related to reality, the worst part) and discussing stuff like that is simply wasting time. Only thing i have left is cheering about the fact that you are loosing more and more cultural power and your country is becoming more and more irrelevant.

Wow, I can't imagine why some hot, ticklish girl hasn't snapped you up.
 
My ftm brother is keenly aware of his new male privilege. Just don't think you should speak for so many people.
 
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6 Typical woman shaming male incapability. You are hardwired to do so and to despise male weakness so i won't blame you for it, i'll just understand it's impossible to even have you to understand our position.

You seem to be under the impression I'm female. Amusing. So very amusing.

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