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Remember the nonconsensual Paradise Vision clip..

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RavensFan52

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Ok so firstly I don't want a flame war over how wrong the premise is. Ill just say its one of my fav clips ever and Im kinda ashamed that it is.. What I want to know is if there is any proof that the clip was or wasnt staged? Ive heard that theres a clip of her auditiong but Ive never seen it. Can anyone 100% verify that this audition clip exist? I know its old but Id love to solve this clip mystery Ive had all these years. Lol
 
I saw that clip. I forget her name though. Honestly I was in my 20s at the time and loved it. Thought it was hot and was hoping it WAS non-consensual.

I'm 41 now and my mindset is different. It's still hot but I don't need to feel like someone was kidnapped and tickled against their will. I'd rather talk someone into trying it and then maybe just keep tickling them after they beg you to stop. That's non-consensual enough for me these days.
 
RavensFan52 said:
Ok so firstly I don't want a flame war over how wrong the premise is. Ill just say its one of my fav clips ever and Im kinda ashamed that it is.. What I want to know is if there is any proof that the clip was or wasnt staged? Ive heard that theres a clip of her auditiong but Ive never seen it. Can anyone 100% verify that this audition clip exist? I know its old but Id love to solve this clip mystery Ive had all these years. Lol
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So this clip was roughly 15-20 years ago? For whatever reason, I can't recall which clip you are referring to?
 
In my opinion that clip was one of the very few ever marketed as non-con that was actually non-con.
It was also probably the single most disturbing clip in the entire history of tickling videos as well, but that's a different subject. Yes, we've all endured far too many non-con morality debates, so I appreciate that this question is instead in the "what really happened?" vein.

Why did I think it was real? On a technical level (I'm a former television producer, and documentary filmmaker) I vividly remember not just how incredibly gradually the adverse reaction slowly built over 20 minutes. in tone, language and volume, which would have been hard to seamlessly stage with an "actor." But I also remember how many times the early conversation was delivered in an "off mic" style -- spoken at lower volumes without regard for whether it would be sufficiently recorded on video. Generally people who know they're being paid to be videotaped in a staged scenario will speak in a clearer, louder and more direct way, since they're well aware that what's captured on-camera is the whole point of the situation.

That said, I'm kind of amazed that after all these years, we in this community (as far as I know) still don't know the true story of what really happened in that video, and the TickleSlaves series as well. Whether the actual true stories of those videos were fun, ugly or anywhere in-between, I'm kind of amazed that we don't know them. I'd be fascinated to hear the real stories, in case the actual producers ever read this -- DM me.
 
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There is no way a clip that could be equated to rape in a court of law, with the woman signing a release under duress, would be real. The clip itself was marketed under this premise to goose sales.

It's meant to be a fantasy.
 
Staged. So was the second one, which was way more convincing (and more ticklish). There were foot fetish shoots of the second model (the "real estate agent"), and possibly this one too, I can't remember.

However, there WAS a company for a short time that existed, shortly after the two Non-con Paradise Vision videos, that DID seem to trick models into doing a bondage shoot and then tickled them. The models ALL got very pissed. I forget the name of the company, I have the videos; I saw one floating around Pornhub once, I think it was called Miranda. I think the company was called TickleSlaves, but don't quote me. That guy put out about six or seven videotapes.
 
The Internet said:
Staged. So was the second one, which was way more convincing (and more ticklish). There were foot fetish shoots of the second model (the "real estate agent"), and possibly this one too, I can't remember.

However, there WAS a company for a short time that existed, shortly after the two Non-con Paradise Vision videos, that DID seem to trick models into doing a bondage shoot and then tickled them. The models ALL got very pissed. I forget the name of the company, I have the videos; I saw one floating around Pornhub once, I think it was called Miranda. I think the company was called TickleSlaves, but don't quote me. That guy put out about six or seven videotapes.
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This?

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=745647334

How do you know it’s non con?
 
The Internet said:
Staged. So was the second one, which was way more convincing (and more ticklish). There were foot fetish shoots of the second model (the "real estate agent"), and possibly this one too, I can't remember.

However, there WAS a company for a short time that existed, shortly after the two Non-con Paradise Vision videos, that DID seem to trick models into doing a bondage shoot and then tickled them. The models ALL got very pissed. I forget the name of the company, I have the videos; I saw one floating around Pornhub once, I think it was called Miranda. I think the company was called TickleSlaves, but don't quote me. That guy put out about six or seven videotapes.
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I don't think it was non con...I think they knew they were going to get tickled. He was pretty open about it...but I think he may have focused more on the bondage aspect than the tickling before he got them tied down.
I think the thing is some of these girls who have never done this before you might tell them I'm going to tie you up and tickle you "a little". They may have one image in their head as to how that will go in a more playful way but once they're strapped down they are not prepared to be tickled nonstop intensely so in that way it's "non con" without actually being non con.
 
The Internet said:
Staged. So was the second one, which was way more convincing (and more ticklish). There were foot fetish shoots of the second model (the "real estate agent"), and possibly this one too, I can't remember.

However, there WAS a company for a short time that existed, shortly after the two Non-con Paradise Vision videos, that DID seem to trick models into doing a bondage shoot and then tickled them. The models ALL got very pissed. I forget the name of the company, I have the videos; I saw one floating around Pornhub once, I think it was called Miranda. I think the company was called TickleSlaves, but don't quote me. That guy put out about six or seven videotapes.
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The 2nd non con clip with the real estate agent was def staged and was no where near as convincing as the first. That one was clearly fanstasy. Its the first one that Im looking for closure on.
 
I still have that first non-con on VHS tape from a long time ago. It disturbed and angered me, but her reaction to getting upper body tickled was HOT.
 
The Internet said:
Staged. So was the second one, which was way more convincing (and more ticklish). There were foot fetish shoots of the second model (the "real estate agent"), and possibly this one too, I can't remember.

However, there WAS a company for a short time that existed, shortly after the two Non-con Paradise Vision videos, that DID seem to trick models into doing a bondage shoot and then tickled them. The models ALL got very pissed. I forget the name of the company, I have the videos; I saw one floating around Pornhub once, I think it was called Miranda. I think the company was called TickleSlaves, but don't quote me. That guy put out about six or seven videotapes.
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The Miranda video either was genuine non-con or the actress/model did a phenomenal job of acting like she was tricked.

Miranda is the only video with a man in it that I’ve ever watched.
 
I will tell you right NOW why this was staged, pay off, or no. Because in a day and age of “Me Too” and constant accusations, etc. something like this still up is a hot button point for the court. The “non con” would have been all over this, seeking out revenge or even more money. Hell perhaps even the agency she “worked” for.

And had the vhs gotten into the wrong hands, a sleepy ambulance chaser attorney or a moralist attorney woulda smelled blood, ay STILL smell blood, and go to town.

Something like this makes vanilla world look at tickling fetishists in a bad light, and in an era of scapegoating, have us all hide in a deeper, darker corner.


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This was definitely staged, and she's a pretty good actress.

No-one would ever be stupid enough to record a crime on video and then try to sell it on the open market.

Merely 'Signing a release' does not decriminalise anything like this. There'll be plenty of before/after footage on file to protect all concerned.
 
Did that damato guy sell his clips or just had the guys make em for his creepy self?
 
meangry said:
There is no way a clip that could be equated to rape in a court of law, with the woman signing a release under duress, would be real. The clip itself was marketed under this premise to goose sales.

It's meant to be a fantasy.
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I want to believe that. But was she under duress? What if they taped her willingly signing the release? After they let her out and let her calm down and showed her the check if she stiill signs what can a lawyer do?
 
chicago said:
Did that damato guy sell his clips or just had the guys make em for his creepy self?
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Pretty sure he just used them to blackmail his victims into making more. His family had money, that's how he got away with his crap and stayed working in the education system for so long.
 
brotherted said:
In my opinion that clip was one of the very few ever marketed as non-con that was actually non-con.
It was also probably the single most disturbing clip in the entire history of tickling videos as well, but that's a different subject. Yes, we've all endured far too many non-con morality debates, so I appreciate that this question is instead in the "what really happened?" vein.

Why did I think it was real? On a technical level (I'm a former television producer, and documentary filmmaker) I vividly remember not just how incredibly gradually the adverse reaction slowly built over 20 minutes. in tone, language and volume, which would have been hard to seamlessly stage with an "actor." But I also remember how many times the early conversation was delivered in an "off mic" style -- spoken at lower volumes without regard for whether it would be sufficiently recorded on video. Generally people who know they're being paid to be videotaped in a staged scenario will speak in a clearer, louder and more direct way, since they're well aware that what's captured on-camera is the whole point of the situation.

That said, I'm kind of amazed that after all these years, we in this community (as far as I know) still don't know the true story of what really happened in that video, and the TickleSlaves series as well. Whether the actual true stories of those videos were fun, ugly or anywhere in-between, I'm kind of amazed that we don't know them. I'd be fascinated to hear the real stories, in case the actual producers ever read this -- DM me.
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Thanks for the great insight. Your right about the audio. Never woulda thought about that
 
“Bill and L” was by far the most disturbing video I’ve ever seen. I wasn’t turned on by it, just curious about it. I couldn’t even make it halfway through.
 
Toesheldback said:
“Bill and L” was by far the most disturbing video I’ve ever seen. I wasn’t turned on by it, just curious about it. I couldn’t even make it halfway through.
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Yeah, that one was the exact opposite of what tickling should be about (IMO).
 
Toesheldback said:
“Bill and L” was by far the most disturbing video I’ve ever seen. I wasn’t turned on by it, just curious about it. I couldn’t even make it halfway through.
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I looked it up and found a vid called Bill and L Legendary, but I don't think that's the one you're referring to (it wasn't super disturbing or non-con from what I could see).

I do remember having to turn one off within seconds...it was on Pornhub and filmed overseas right after the 2011 tsunami - I had the most awful feeling that the woman was either there against her will or out of desperation. She was clearly not enjoying it (no laughter, just tears and screaming), she asked it to stop repeatedly, and while apparently she was of legal age, she looked super young. So many red flags, I got out of there immediately and felt uncomfortable the rest of the day.
 
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