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Youtube channel using kids for tickling

OK I have to admit it was a bit of sarcasm. Of course tickling is not that harmless.

On the internet it is easy to find pictures or videos etc. where people are tickled. Just type it in google search. And there you also find material featuring minors, it is just like this.
So reporting that one youtube channel you talked about, which is really harmless (bc the kids are not tickled against their will and all is for fun) does not change anything.
If that content was illegal, youtube would have deleted it some time ago.

If you don't want that such content can be found you would have to shut down the whole Internet, which would be stupid.

There will always be people who upload questionable content.
 
all is for fun
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I would argue that all would not be for fun if the bulk of the people making these videos knew they were being tricked into making jackoff material for fetishists.

Look at the requests these people are honoring. No "normal" person is going to attractive young women's channels and thinking "hey, she wants to do challenge videos? Here's one, tickle your sister's bare feet with her soles directly facing the camera while she's tied up with baby oil and a hair brush for exactly five minutes". It's purely a way for creepers to get tickle porn without having to pay for it, with the added thrill of making an end run around the issue of consent.
 
Phineas said:
I would argue that all would not be for fun if the bulk of the people making these videos knew they were being tricked into making jackoff material for fetishists.

Look at the requests these people are honoring. No "normal" person is going to attractive young women's channels and thinking "hey, she wants to do challenge videos? Here's one, tickle your sister's bare feet with her soles directly facing the camera while she's tied up with baby oil and a hair brush for exactly five minutes". It's purely a way for creepers to get tickle porn without having to pay for it, with the added thrill of making an end run around the issue of consent.
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Lol, yeah, you can take a look what the "normal" people are requesting e.g. of females who stream them playing videogames etc. I can assure you, no family friendly requests there.

And there is no issue with consent, don't know how you think that. So consent implies having information about whatever every single viewer intends to do with the video? Then no youtube video can claim that it's maker has "consented" concerning the content of the video.
 
ichbins said:
Lol, yeah, you can take a look what the "normal" people are requesting e.g. of females who stream them playing videogames etc. I can assure you, no family friendly requests there.
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Right, because they're looking for free porn. That's kinda my point. Although with titty streamers there's at least a veneer of plausible deniability because enough of them are there to capitalize on their cleavage that the ones that aren't get swept up in the mess. Very few women streaming on Twitch don't know that there's a reason men are flocking to their channel.

And there is no issue with consent, don't know how you think that.
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It's pretty simple; the same action will or won't be okay depending on why it's being done. Moving away from the fetish aspect of it, a lot of athletes won't sign autographs for fans because those autographs wind up on eBay. If I walk up to a famous football guy and ask him to sign my jersey, he will more than likely be okay with it if he knows it's just for me and not for me to sell. If I cook up some story about how it's for my child who has cancer to get around his refusal, and then put it on eBay anyway, he'll be furious and rightly so.

So consent implies having information about whatever every single viewer intends to do with the video?
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Nope, but that's not what's happening here. The requests are being made by fetishists in every single instance, for the purposes of getting free porn, from unknowing participants who would most likely refuse if they knew that they were being asked for porn (and a lot of them stop honoring these requests once they find out) who are often underage in the first place.

In closing, I'll pose the question I always pose, that no one ever answers;

"If there's nothing wrong with it, why aren't you being honest about it?"
 
Phineas said:
"If there's nothing wrong with it, why aren't you being honest about it?"
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Because people judge things based on their environment, and often times they judge things too harshly, and people just don't want to deal with a "no" that's based in people's misguided or completely ignorant feelings, and not in actually listening to what people generally are saying. I mean, most people don't investigate issues that are triggering to them, they just respond because of their personal understanding about it.

At least, that's my answer.
 
@Phineas


It's pretty simple; the same action will or won't be okay depending on why it's being done. Moving away from the fetish aspect of it, a lot of athletes won't sign autographs for fans because those autographs wind up on eBay. If I walk up to a famous football guy and ask him to sign my jersey, he will more than likely be okay with it if he knows it's just for me and not for me to sell. If I cook up some story about how it's for my child who has cancer to get around his refusal, and then put it on eBay anyway, he'll be furious and rightly so.
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I don't share that point of view. If you say the morality of an action depends on why it's being done, you get very weird consequences. E.g. if someone saves a person, but he does it because he will be considered a hero, it doesn't matter, because it was still a good thing to do, fully unrelated to the question why he did it. Or the other way around: A man with good intentions introduces a law to help poor families, but instead, it backfires. Is it a good excuse to say the man had good intentions? Of course not. It doesn't matter. In sexual relations there are often strange intentions involved, and trickery is happening a lot, bargaining etc. If you claim that consent can only be achieved by fully disclosing your intentions, then a good percentage of sexual relations would not be considered consensual. I don't know how many ONS happen where one person has different intentions than the other. Ok, here it's youtube, and I'm not agreeing with this, but people have a responsibility too to check why people request this and this. And I think a lot of people are even aware that there's a sexual aspect to it.

But it's an old discussion, and I don't think the people here will agree on this in the end.
 
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I see in this conversation that watching someone tickled and taking pleasure in it (sexual or not) is mostly considered by default as something pure evil or "sick", if the person being tickled (adult or underaged) is unaware of it.
Which is something I can't really comprehend.
Still had no answer from anyone to what real harm that does to the person being just watched by the internet.

What I think is that tickle fetish itself as a phenomenon is probably a harmless way to get pleasure (not necessarily sexual) in something which is natural and innocent for others. Which is far more harmless than traditional sexual obsession and abuse that we can often see around. Imagine someone who has unbearable sexual tension not going out raping someone but just watching an innocent video with tickling involved. Had you one of these two choices, what would you choose?

Another bold (or creepy if you like) choice would be:
Would you let fetishists watch this kind of videos with tickling on youtube,
Or would you block all the tickling in the internet and have the most obsessed fetishists go out and seek for their fetish in real life?

Instead of blindly blaming for it, maybe we could think of it from an alternate, positive perspective.
 
Yeah, in most cases, it's better than rape. There's that, at least...
 
I think a huge thing is keeping kids safety at heart, and not exposing them to perverts. That being said, i dont think family vlogs are putting kids who arent even paying attention to viewers at risk. The parents probably just see the nasty comments every now and then and brush it off like "another creep" then delete it.

Some concerns though, ive read the comments on one of these "family videos" and the parents are either sooooo PAINFULLY naive, or just plain neglectful

also id ask what do you do on an underage vloggers "innocent"video when the creeps are cleary active, thats where id personally feel youd flag it for their own good. Just my opinion
 
VegLife said:
id ask what do you do on an underage vloggers "innocent"video when the creeps are cleary active, thats where id personally feel youd flag it for their own good. Just my opinion
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The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
The kids probably don't care that much. The parents can take care of that.
The best thing altogether to do is to just leave them alone.
 
chicago said:
Yeah, in most cases, it's better than rape. There's that, at least...
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That's why I think tickling fetish is a wonderful phenomenon of nature. Because sexual tension will always be there in people, and this is the way to bring it down in the most innocent and funny way possible. It's just tickling. And if it's just watching tickling - what could be more harmless?

It's like that "hand fetish" example earlier. If someone gets off on me doing high fives, I wouldn't care giving them :)
Why to be so jealous if anyone watched you getting tickled an had pleasure in that? He didn't touch you or even make you do this.
Maybe I can't get this because tickling is not a fetish for me.
 
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tiklmaniac_333 said:
Sorry but do we really need to discuss this ?

I mean tickling is no sexual abuse, even if it can be used as a BDSM practice. And also tickling kids is more for fun and pleasure than for anything else. Kids are tickled by adults and other kids
and you find a lot of pictures and videos online of that. And why do kids tickle other kids ? They want to torture them, of course for fun. If we remember childhood, we all had that kind of evil pleasure to tickle others.

Any form of abuse can cause real psychological damage, especially to children, tickling can't really do that, it is always harmless.

So, how about featuring minors on this site from age 13 to 17 ? I mean it would be a pleasure for lot of people to see young teens tickled.
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tiklmaniac_333 said:
Sorry but do we really need to discuss this ?

I mean tickling is no sexual abuse, even if it can be used as a BDSM practice.

Any form of abuse can cause real psychological damage, especially to children, tickling can't really do that, it is always harmless.

So, how about featuring minors on this site from age 13 to 17 ? I mean it would be a pleasure for lot of people to see young teens tickled.
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Tickling is not a sexual fetish for me, but I know it is for many people on TMF, and many people in the world more generally. And I respect that and understand that fact. Tickling, in select contexts, can be sexual for me, as well, but generally, it isn't. However, knowing about tickling fetishes means that I can recognize what comments like, "You should tickle their feet closer to the camera" or "You should tie their ankles" posted on videos of those children mean, and what types of people those comments come from. Those comments are posted by people who have a sexual interest in tickling and wish to continue seeing these children tickled a vast majority of the time---but, not everyone is attuned to the meaning of those types of comments. Even comments that may seem so obviously sexual/inappropriate to one of us to make about children may seem completely innocent to someone outside of our community. We know the main reason those types of videos get so many views, and with so many views, the families are naturally inclined to make more of them.

I do not think tickling should be taken off YouTube. I do not think tickling is inherently sexual. I do not think tickling is abusive (though, of course, it can be in some situations). What I do think is this: If I were a parent and I were making these types of videos of my children, I would absolutely want to know if a significant reason the videos were so popular was because people were sexualizing my children and were abusing my lack of awareness regarding that fact to encourage me to produce more content for them for that purpose.

The point is not to ban the channel or flag "tickling." The point is to give the parents information I believe they would want to know regarding the popularity of that specific content. To me, the purpose of "doing something about it" is not to take away a choice or try to remove content just because it has children being tickled in it or making some sort of judgement or debate regarding the ethics of tickling children. It's about providing the family the opportunity to make an informed choice of how they wish to proceed with their channel.
 
I'd probably flag the comments TickleScout mentioned like "You should tickle their feet closer to the camera". This is something that can do harm to children. Unless fetishists leave this kind of comments or requests, they do no harm just watching stuff, and I wouldn't care. Of course if parents do the tickling for fun and not with the aim to please the fetishists to get more likes.
 
I think people fetishize pretty much anything. You can't flag every social media account doing what they believe is innocent fun with a loving family. If people have hair fetishes (which there are), are you going to flag every hair and make-up video that a young person posts? When people post anything from their private life they are giving up their privacy. Most do it for the entertainment of their fans and most of the time it is innocent fun.
Flag the nasty comments. Don't flag the family.
 
MaxSpeer said:
I think people fetishize pretty much anything. You can't flag every social media account doing what they believe is innocent fun with a loving family. If people have hair fetishes (which there are), are you going to flag every hair and make-up video that a young person posts? When people post anything from their private life they are giving up their privacy. Most do it for the entertainment of their fans and most of the time it is innocent fun.
Flag the nasty comments. Don't flag the family.
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Totally agree
 
tickletherapist said:
I'm not going to tell you what to do or not to do about this issue or argue with anyone, as I'm not a fetishist.
Instead, there are a few things that I'm curious about:
1. Does anyone with a tickle fetish do any actual harm to the children by viewing a video on youtube where they get tickled? (and just tickled, not "finished" with vibrating instruments as in many tickling studios nowadays). What is the harm in your opinion when the children can't see what some occasional distant viewer might do at his place while viewing these innocent videos?

2. It seems interesting that the ones who care about the issue most and wish to "warn" the parents are tickle fetishists themselves. Ordinary people just don't care as much as fetishists do, fetishists seem to be more embarrassed and almost offended by the existence of kid tickling on youtube.
As if it's their personal problem, or maybe they are afraid of finding the desire to view those videos in themselves.

Would be nice to understand these two things
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That's kind of the same thing I think. I mean, fundamentally, regardless of my interest in it, tickling is a very youthful thing. Who am I to judge? Reporting a channel that without us in consideration (which I'm thinking we're a very small community) causes next to no effect on anyone else only points up this community as being awkward or deviant.

I think there's very clear lines drawn where we will go the full mile to go beyond 20 minutes at all levels of clothing with various implement that these channels simply don't seem to have the same interest in mind and I think drawing connections by flagging is time spent that doesn't help anyone.
 
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