(Unpopular Opinion) Tickling videos suck now

I actually tend to agree with the OP here and I would even extend to say the tickling scene as a whole has seen a huge decline in quality over the years. Obviously there are still a few great producers out there (thank god for uk tickling) but the general standard is so low these days.

I would offer a couple of counter points though. The first and most obvious is the piracy argument. How many quality producers have said fuck it and walked away over the years due to constantly seeing their work on pornhub?

The second is simply fatigue on the consumers part. If you have been around the scene for over a decade as many of us have now, it’s hard to find originality when we have seen it all before. I used to love the story section but I haven’t read anything I’ve enjoyed for years. I don’t necessarily think that’s down to a lack of new content but there is only so many times you can read the same old story lines.

The ubiquitous nature of porn and major Fetishist models being used in tickle clips is in part because of their professionalism. Amateur models (not all, but most) by nature generally aren’t very professional. As a session guy, there is a marked difference between the two.

Be it communication, follow through, and an understanding of the risks of being filmed. Shooting amateurs regularly will also increase the likelihood of later clip removal requests by said amateur. It’s clear that the expenses of shooting amateurs versus pros justifies using pros in most cases.

This is coming from a session guy who is actually trying to do his part in getting more amateurs into the foot game specifically. Try booking a session with Terra, Bella, or Karly on one end, and then an amateur model on the other and - outside of price - see which experience is easier.

I love seeing amateur models, however unless you have built the pipeline, it’s seems more stressful of a road. For those who say, well you have a model release. Imagine the reputation hit that would follow and possible legal headache if you don’t honor the clip removal request.

Many of you can’t imagine the scenario because it isn’t your money or reputation on the line.

Comfort Eagle said:

In theory yes, but without fail every time someone has this opinion, it's presented with this "It's so simple; just stop being shit!" mentality. Like every producer knows what is objectively good and bad, and continues to opt for bad. After a certain point, I just want to see what these people feel is genuinely "good", because apparently a top sellers list isn't a good enough indication of it.

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Best of luck on that fantastic voyage for the answer

Though sometimes these people act like producers are martyrs, putting themselves through so much to make the video. As a consumer, I dunno why I should care about that if the product isn't something I like.

Just seems melodramatic on all sides.

One thing that is different now is, we don't tend to see anything like what our very own Jeff did with the MTP videos. One long video (45 minutes?) with two women who knew each other, plus the happy-to-be-there producer, and a bunch of scenes. Strangely enough, when a producer does something close to that, they usually sell it only in segments, maybe 6-10 minutes each. I can see why they would create segments -- many don't want to "commit" to buying all 45 minutes, in that example -- but often they don't even post the option of one long clip with perhaps a modestly less total cost than buying all the segments.

BTW, as a separate mini-rant, I really get tired of hearing shoutouts to TIB and a couple of other early producers without something similar for MTP.

Porn like anything is a commodity.

It's created and sold under normal economic conditions that directly effect the material.

Here is an example from our communities own history.

In the first wave of tickling videos the material was almost always story driven. Think of the Cal-Star, Vid-Tech, Harmony clips that ruled the late 80's and early 90's. They were templated off the traditional porn formula, tell a story add in sex and profit!

And when they were the only game in town they sold.

But the CONSUMER wanted less story to fast forward through, more then one pair of lees in a hour long clip, and most importantly didn't want to spend $60 for a single video.

As technology allowed the market adjusted. Clips became 5 to 12 minuets, if yoiu got a hour long tape you'd see 5 or 6 pairings of different women, and stories got tossed for the tie them down and tickle the hell out of them format. and most importantly a clip was about $10.

Sales improved a lot.

The Market responded to what people wanted.

Some still wanted stories. But they saw a lot less of them. Often none. Eventually producers (Like Ftkl) started to produce story driven material and has seen success in that area. Are his lees always the most ticklish or not acting? No. But they deliver story driven fantasy that works perfectly for one segment.

Tickle Abuse and Tickle Intensive and UK Tickling all turn out consistent material based on the traditional formula. Short clip, tie and tickle and frequent release. You'll find something you like in time, and probably will discover a model that you follow in their stuff.

And so on.

The market responds. IF it can afford too.

I like group tickling, where anywhere from 2 to 5 women are bound and tickled by multiple Lers at once and in combinations. I don't see much of it. Why? It's horribly expensive to produce. Every model on screen is getting scale, and if they are nude it costs even more. So do I get to enjoy such often? No. I could consider that to mean that clips suck now, no one makes what I want. But in truth no one is making what I want because they cannot afford too.

Also piracy is a kick in the balls to every producer. They will make a burst of money that HAS to cover production expenses and then the clip becomes catalog and will see occasional sales going forward. Have a huge catalog and that can slowly build to a slow income stream, but piracy will always sap it.

The big question to ask oneself is "What is it that I consider good, and why might I not see it being made anymore?" It's perhaps too expensive, or it won't sell to a wide audience and be underwater to piracy fast, or its of a mold that is known to not be factored by the majority of consumers.

And that sucks if yoiu want something specific. Often the 'golden years' people talk about when 'things were good' are filled with material created under different circumstances, and problems. That stuff cannot be made again today.

Another simple example. People would love to see Tickle Abuse material Wirth Brook or Tasha Lering. Or See Pricillia Barns Back, or See Bianca at Tickle Intensive. But they won't. All these models have moved on with their lives. You won't see them again for the most part. So if you need THEM to have a GOOD video you are out of luck.

Want girl next door tickling? That was easy in 1995 in Magic Touches hay days. But today people (young women) know that costs that doing porn can have later in life. Or they simply monetize themselves on OnlyFans or AVN and reap all the profit. That makes girl next door models hard to find and not viable as a full time production goal. So you the GND fan will see less stuff today then back then, and it's just not as easy to make.

There is no cheery answer. One needs to just look, or if able to, pay to have customs. On the bright side, the porn that worked for you years ago still does, and as you probably own it you can keep enjoying it. No it's not 'fresh shiny and new' but it still works until you find somethign new that works.


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Myriads said:

Want girl next door tickling? That was easy in 1995 in Magic Touches hay days. But today people (young women) know that costs that doing porn can have later in life. Or they simply monetize themselves on OnlyFans or AVN and reap all the profit. That makes girl next door models hard to find and not viable as a full time production goal. So you the GND fan will see less stuff today then back then, and it's just not as easy to make.

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It's still easy, depending on a few factors. Sole Mates was pretty open about how there were lots of GNDs out here willing to hop in front of a camera, which is interesting when you hear the couple of producers in, say, NYC talk about how much they'd have to downplay the fact that they were making porn to get the girls to sign. Who sold better, though? SM was also pretty open about having to constantly turn away willing models because they simply didn't sell. And how often did the goalposts shift when people actually looked at those videos and the complaint suddenly went from "no ticklish GNDs" to "hurr durr lighting sux get out of the frame".

Simple fact is, people like to bitch and will change their story without logic in order to keep bitching, even after you prove them wrong. And they all come here to do it. Yay!

Beyond that, Comfort Eagle said it best; these people act like producers are being willfully stupid just to spite them. It's beyond ridiculous.

And this is why I look around at other stores and not the same ones to find something new once in a while...

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Well I'm into /m tickling and can anyone tell me where to find guys locked in proper sturdy stocks in an outside setting or more buried at the beach scenes? There has always been more variety with female tickling videos so I don't agree with tickling videos suck for female content but male videos are just too repetive these days. I know most of you won't get where I'm coming from as the majority of this forum are only into tickling females and probably won't have a clue with the male content available.

Girls next door content will be rarer, but some studios still know how to get them. And not only FT.

Frankly, I kinda feel outraged that people always take the same studio examples, as if nothing happened in 10 years, just do your research and you'll discover some newer studios that do what you like.

C4S tends to put you in a bubble and there isn't much to discover if you just go browsing on a studio page.

Personally I am willing (as a studio) to make more stories, but that only can be done with open minded models (not someone that shoots for the first time)

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that complain about the quality of content that is released these days are also the people don't pay for it. IMO, if you don't pay for it, you have no right to bitch about it.

Thank you for saying this bc as a producer, we see so much of our content pirated, it's incredibly discouraging and finacially it can literally shut down production studios. I have watched a lot of good producers completely stop filming bc of this. And I there's nothing worse than someone saying their your number one fan and list all the videos of yours they have watched for free, and then still ask for more free content. I'm very curious how these people think I pay the bills, keep electricity and internet service in my house to I can continue to film more videos?!

Also, to the person who started the thread. If you aren't liking the videos you seem for sale online, remember, some of these are actually customs that other fans have ordered, so those are filmed exactly as that person has scripted. So if you are not finding videos you like, it's well worth the money to commission one EXACTLY to your liking

I am constantly filming custom videos, and have a long list of completely satisfied clients. If you would like to discuss a custom video, feel free to email me direct at [email protected]

weezl said:

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that complain about the quality of content that is released these days are also the people don't pay for it. IMO, if you don't pay for it, you have no right to bitch about it.

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NyssaNevers said:

Thank you for saying this bc as a producer, we see so much of our content pirated, it's incredibly discouraging and finacially it can literally shut down production studios. I have watched a lot of good producers completely stop filming bc of this. And I there's nothing worse than someone saying their your number one fan and list all the videos of yours they have watched for free, and then still ask for more free content. I'm very curious how these people think I pay the bills, keep electricity and internet service in my house to I can continue to film more videos?!

Also, to the person who started the thread. If you aren't liking the videos you seem for sale online, remember, some of these are actually customs that other fans have ordered, so those are filmed exactly as that person has scripted. So if you are not finding videos you like, it's well worth the money to commission one EXACTLY to your liking

I am constantly filming custom videos, and have a long list of completely satisfied clients. If you would like to discuss a custom video, feel free to email me direct at [email protected]

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You bring up an interesting point. For all these people complaining about videos, did they buy hundreds of clips to form their opinion, or saw them for free? I have a feeling it is the latter. Not every video is on pornhub so forming your opinion on free content isn't exactly a solid foundation.

I also understand how producers feel in regards to pirated content. I have ordered customs throughout the years and people ask me for clips in a trade. Um no. I spent hundreds of dollars for a custom clip and I am going to trade? Heck no. The least you can do is buy the clip from the producer. In a way, I had to pay hundreds of dollars for a certain clip, and you get to watch it for free? That just feels wrong...

I'm pretty sure that the majority of people that complain about the quality of content that is released these days are also the people don't pay for it. IMO, if you don't pay for it, you have no right to bitch about it.

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Pretty much after I came up with my own ideas all tickling videos seem tame.

primetime said:

You bring up an interesting point. For all these people complaining about videos, did they buy hundreds of clips to form their opinion, or saw them for free? I have a feeling it is the latter. Not every video is on pornhub so forming your opinion on free content isn't exactly a solid foundation.

I also understand how producers feel in regards to pirated content. I have ordered customs throughout the years and people ask me for clips in a trade. Um no. I spent hundreds of dollars for a custom clip and I am going to trade? Heck no. The least you can do is buy the clip from the producer. In a way, I had to pay hundreds of dollars for a certain clip, and you get to watch it for free? That just feels wrong...

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I don't know how where this sense of entitlement comes from anyway. It's this sort of behavior that you wouldn't expect from any adult that is responsible for paying their own bills and taking care of themselves.

One theory is that this place has some teenagers in it. More specifically, it has teenagers that don't have a job and don't have any money. And legally they shouldn't even be here in the first place.

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duderino84 said:

And campy porn plots. Can't forget those about retro porn.

I think modern porn needs more feathers and raspberries, not advanced exfoliation techniques with the hair brushes.

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Haha this really is an unpopular opinion, looking at all the people roasting you.

But I totally agree with you - I think it's almost uncanny how similar our tastes are in terms of tickling content. I loved the genuinely ticklish, cute-as-heck "girls next door" as well. And I'm not a fan of the fake porn stars and their obsession with nudity/vibing either.

Frenchtickling is nice. I love the girls there too, for example, the lady named Claire who has a backstory of being a dancer. There's one clip where he's tickling her by licking and sucking on her feet, and I find the idea of doing that to an elegant dancer, just so perfect.

Maybe this all just ties in to how you miss old school vibes in general, not just for tickling? Because I'd be with you on that one. Again, people hate nostalgic assholes like us, but what can ya do.

I do agree with the OP. Occasionally some women appear to be genuinely ticklish. Then she gets a vibrator shoved into her vagina. I think @quinn makes good stuff, his older stuff is fantastic. Other than that, there are a couple othwrs that seem real to me, names are escaping me. No one likes acting or something that is forced. But, just vote with your wallet. OR, start making your own, and dont be a creepy fuck about hiring women to tickle, be professional.

Tickled Pink does a really good job of getting a wide variety of fully clothed "girl next door" types who appear to be genuinely ticklish. I'd say they're probably the best in that regard. Tickle Torture From Boston used to be in this camp but most of his videos are more concerned with him getting himself off by putting his mouth all over women's feet so I've lost interest but his older videos are still worth checking out. I've also found a few smaller studios that specialize in this so it's probably best to search around a bit and find studios that cater to your own personal interests. Though I do agree that 90% of tickle studios don't interest me that much.

weezl said:

I don't know how where this sense of entitlement comes from anyway. It's this sort of behavior that you wouldn't expect from any adult that is responsible for paying their own bills and taking care of themselves.

One theory is that this place has some teenagers in it. More specifically, it has teenagers that don't have a job and don't have any money. And legally they shouldn't even be here in the first place.

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I think it's more a mindset that "it's the internet, who pays for porn, it should all be free".

Which I totally get when it comes to the big producers for vanilla porn. Those guys expect people to watch their stuff on the tube sites, it's basically part of their business model now, and they're still plenty profitable.

Not the same story for a niche fetish producer. This isn't Brazzers, these are guys shooting on a budget and in most cases as a side-gig. They need to at least break even if you want them to keep doing it, and they're not getting kickbacks from PornHub or xvideos or wherever else the way the bigger companies do.

I won't pretend that I don't indulge in free content, but I still check C4S regularly and am happy to throw a few bucks at studios making stuff I like, or even taking a gamble on a new producer (as long as there's decent previews available). If people are complaining about lack of quality content, then they should be the change they want to see - find someone making good stuff, and support them so they can keep making more.

MalevolentCha0s said:

they're not getting kickbacks from PornHub or xvideos or wherever else the way the bigger companies do.

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That's changed. If you can provide the proper paperwork, as a producer, you can be accepted into PornHub's new Verified Content Creators program and earn ad revenue for video views. Sole Mates has done it, and they can't be the only ones.

The only issue with that is, PH's co-performer verification process is more stringent than the records I'd wager most producers keep, so they'd need to either hunt down all of their old models for updated paperwork, or they would only be able to monetize new content from new performers (being aware of the new requirements) going forward. It's a bit of a pain in the ass, but it's an option. The main issue is that tickle fans don't watch in the same kind of flood that mainstream porn consumers do, so even if everyone went and watched a particular producer's videos it still wouldn't be a ton of money.

MalevolentCha0s said:

I think it's more a mindset that "it's the internet, who pays for porn, it should all be free".

Which I totally get when it comes to the big producers for vanilla porn. Those guys expect people to watch their stuff on the tube sites, it's basically part of their business model now, and they're still plenty profitable.

Not the same story for a niche fetish producer. This isn't Brazzers, these are guys shooting on a budget and in most cases as a side-gig. They need to at least break even if you want them to keep doing it, and they're not getting kickbacks from PornHub or xvideos or wherever else the way the bigger companies do.

I won't pretend that I don't indulge in free content, but I still check C4S regularly and am happy to throw a few bucks at studios making stuff I like, or even taking a gamble on a new producer (as long as there's decent previews available). If people are complaining about lack of quality content, then they should be the change they want to see - find someone making good stuff, and support them so they can keep making more.

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One of the things that makes porn inherently valuable is the ridiculousness of the scenario. Tickling may be fun but it's not that ridiculous. It's considered a natural thing. That is why people get split on it.

The standards have gone way downhill and sadly we've become a society that seems to celebrate mediocrity. That's what set apart the stronger producers from the past from those today - quality and standards. It's become way too accommodating and inclusive. Yes the lees must look good but they must also be truly ticklish. If both aren't true, they don't have any place being in the video.

tmcp said:

I do agree with the OP. Occasionally some women appear to be genuinely ticklish. Then she gets a vibrator shoved into her vagina. I think @quinn makes good stuff, his older stuff is fantastic. Other than that, there are a couple othwrs that seem real to me, names are escaping me. No one likes acting or something that is forced. But, just vote with your wallet. OR, start making your own, and dont be a creepy fuck about hiring women to tickle, be professional.

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Where do I find Quinn's stuff? Are they on this forum?

Also, hiring women to be lees would be the dream hehe.

There’s not too much variety coming from the US. In addition there isn’t stand out models like the old school Tickle Abuse videos like Nikki, Tasha, etc. IMO once Tickle Abuse sold their company it was an end of an era. I find myself watching more of the European stuff. Fresh content. Think the next push in US content is the addition of the Instagram foot models and the standard fetish models we see everywhere.