So Fed Up With Bad Ticklers and Kayfabed Content

Over the years, I may have possibly seen damn near every /F tickling clip available, and more often than not, my excitement turns to pretty extreme frustration as I watch what is supposed to be a 'ler, doing this weird, ungraceful, obviously ineffective "skittering," random finger-drumming, sometimes not even with the tips of their fingers but the flat part in the middle half way down their digits, pawing at the feet of the 'lee like a cat brushing away a non-palatable piece of food it's become disinterested in, all the while the 'lee does their B-movie-best to force out some laughter that's about as genuine as the response you'd see from the undercards in a professional wrestling match.

Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem that difficult to do something that actually tickles, and tickles really bad, and out of all the things that I know that work from experience, none of them look like "knocking on a door" with the flat part of your hand.

I've also noticed there are a lot of popular models whom -- while they are certainly very physically attractive -- are obviously not ticklish at all, and to be honest, it's pretty cringey to try to sit through. I've found myself getting way more out of clips with some pretty frumpy 'lees who were legitimately losing their minds, than I ever could get even a fraction out of from watching these dime-pieces awkwardly pretend to have a reaction.

It needs to be said that, this is not all video producers nor is it any one video producer in particular, but often I've found some of the amateur clips to be a lot more intense and genuine than many of the "higher production" content I've seen over the years.

The good news for you is...
If you've seen almost every video made, you have probably paid for very few.
With this in mind seems like you have gotten your moneys worth.

Unless money is no object and you are purchasing all these videos.
In this case maybe just hire some lers that you can tickle.

oldgeezer said:

The good news for you is...
If you've seen almost every video made, you have probably paid for very few.
With this in mind seems like you have gotten your moneys worth.

Unless money is no object and you are purchasing all these videos.
In this case maybe just hire some lers that you can tickle.

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I wasn't aware you had to pay for FREE ***"CLIPS"***

The Depths said:

Over the years, I may have possibly seen damn near every /F tickling clip available, and more often than not, my excitement turns to pretty extreme frustration as I watch what is supposed to be a 'ler, doing this weird, ungraceful, obviously ineffective "skittering," random finger-drumming, sometimes not even with the tips of their fingers but the flat part in the middle half way down their digits, pawing at the feet of the 'lee like a cat brushing away a non-palatable piece of food it's become disinterested in, all the while the 'lee does their B-movie-best to force out some laughter that's about as genuine as the response you'd see from the undercards in a professional wrestling match.

Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem that difficult to do something that actually tickles, and tickles really bad, and out of all the things that I know that work from experience, none of them look like "knocking on a door" with the flat part of your hand.

I've also noticed there are a lot of popular models whom -- while they are certainly very physically attractive -- are obviously not ticklish at all, and to be honest, it's pretty cringey to try to sit through. I've found myself getting way more out of clips with some pretty frumpy 'lees who were legitimately losing their minds, than I ever could get even a fraction out of from watching these dime-pieces awkwardly pretend to have a reaction.

It needs to be said that, this is not all video producers nor is it any one video producer in particular, but often I've found some of the amateur clips to be a lot more intense and genuine than many of the "higher production" content I've seen over the years.

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I honestly could not agree more. I have been coming to the TMF for decade or more now and in my opinion the general standard is very low these days. Not to say there are not some AMAZING producers out there - just not enough.

Which is why I have started TickleHQ with Jade from uk tickling. Our aim is to deliver consistent quality with no scripts, no fake tickling or laughter and a high level of interaction with the community to give you a chance to see exactly what you want. Our first 3 girl shoot with Jade, Ayla Sky and a friend of Jade’s is coming soon. Head over to our Patreon page to have your say on what goes down in that shoot!

https://www.patreon.com/posts/45140256

Joe and Jade x

What's the fun in tickling someone who is not ticklish and if you don't love to tickle?

Mike3684 said:

Most private sessions are way more intense then what producers provide (MOST not all), it's all about the money now it's not about the intensity or the fun for the most part. When I do a private session in my opinion it blows a lot of producers away that's why HQ is going to be successful, very similar style hardcore tickling cant escape the bondage nothing loose that's what people want to see alot of producers lack that nowadays, when you session with fetish models and pay to play they'll straight up tell you that most of the time it's not that intense it's way more intense privately and they'll safe word almost 100% of the time especially if you stick on the worst spot for long enough which a lot of videos don't do if you really want to break someone you can I've never had a problem doing it, it would be nice to have a producer come out that gives the people what they want intense non-stop tickling with the most intense tools scalp massager grooming gloves mummification, that would make it actually worth buying a video.

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Your dead right Mike! In all honesty I am going into this primarily to create the kind of content I want to see, we used to see and rarely see these days. Money is secondary, I just want to cover my costs and have fun injecting some life back into the scene.

It helps that Jade has turned into a full blown tickle sadist too! She’s is absolutely chomping at the bit to get going. She requested Ayla as her first victim but she also has her eye on me already which is obviously exciting but mildly terrifying as someone who has never been tickled properly!

Plenty of good stuff coming in ‘21 people!

Joe and Jade

The Depths said:

Over the years, I may have possibly seen damn near every /F tickling clip available,

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People say this is a lot in these types of threads. It's always something of an exaggeration

The Depths said:

I've also noticed there are a lot of popular models whom -- while they are certainly very physically attractive -- are obviously not ticklish at all, and to be honest, it's pretty cringey to try to sit through. I've found myself getting way more out of clips with some pretty frumpy 'lees who were legitimately losing their minds, than I ever could get even a fraction out of from watching these dime-pieces awkwardly pretend to have a reaction.

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There is no correlation between attractiveness and ticklishness. It stands to reason however, that when the same fetish models appear in countless tickle videos for different producers, they may start to try and please the audience, because many tickle fans do have certain expectations of how models should react (see this thread as an example of that). Sometimes the reactions will be heavily scripted for a custom. Whether they are ticklish or not, this shaping of reactions is unavoidable sometimes. It's one reason why I've always sourced original models who are mainly outside of the fetish world.

The Depths said:

It needs to be said that, this is not all video producers nor is it any one video producer in particular, but often I've found some of the amateur clips to be a lot more intense and genuine than many of the "higher production" content I've seen over the years.

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I'm sure that this is true sometimes. Intense scenes can come from anywhere, it just depends on the model and the situation - some are just more crazy than others.

Mike3684 said:

I'm sure I'll take hear for saying this because im specifically naming one producer but it's actually meant as a positive ftkl he's run number one for a while although I don't specifically like the method of tickling he's got a pretty sweet deal he's got a good flow of people he's making money obviously so he should never change his style I'm assuming there's some computer skills in there also from what I've seen but that's a very rare exception to the rule again the style is not for me but if you're doing well like that stick with what works, but on the return there's a lot of producers who are not successful like that my advice would be more bondage harder tickling that's what people want to see. All I know is for 500 bucks an hour you're not going to move and you're going to scream lol, that's my model disclaimer before we session.


it's way more intense privately and they'll safe word almost 100% of the time especially if you stick on the worst spot for long enough which a lot of videos don't do if you really want to break someone you can I've never had a problem doing it, it would be nice to have a producer come out that gives the people what they want intense non-stop tickling with the most intense tools scalp massager grooming gloves mummification, that would make it actually worth buying a video.

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Bear in mind that the intention isn't always to 'break' the model. There's a whole spectrum of reactions that people want to see in a clip from soft, playful laughter all the way through to tears and distress. The latter is often not the aim, and pushing a model to the point where they are clearly upset is generally a bad idea.

People have perceptions about what works in a clip and what doesn't. These are usually informed by their own tickle experiences, which tend to be limited to a handful of people. In reality, there is no single approach - everything and anything can work, depending on the situation. I have worked with some models that have no response to hard tickling or use of the brush (other than maybe pain or pleasure) but can't cope with the lightest tickles from a feather...and of course, the opposite is also true. In my experience, very hard tickling, focused on one area for prolonged period of time is most likely to produce a disappointing reaction - I have shot plenty of customs like this, that I would never release because they resulted in little more than pain and numbness for the model.

There is a common assumption (on here at least) that professional producers don't know anything about tickling, despite the fact that they may have probably been tickling a huge range of people every week for years on end. The reality is that every producer gets into this because they want to make the best tickle videos they can. They see what's out there and feel they can do better. Then they learn that it's more complicated and challenging than it seems and some of the things they thought would work, don't actually work so well. Those of us who are fortunate enough to be successful for any length of time do so, because other people like the clips that we want to make. That may be down to the models we choose or the way we shoot clips. Personally, I've always made clips that are 100% percent real, without scripts or storylines, faking or exagerrated reactions. That doesn't mean that it's the only kind of clip that other people want to see. When I get a complaint or suggestion, it is often for more begging/pleading from the model, more clips with stories, role-playing etc. If you are seeing more 'fantasy' clips from more producers, it's because it's what their customers want and perhaps, it's what the producers want to see also.

I like UKTickling, those ladies from the UK are so much fun to watch when they are desperately ticklish

tickletherapist said:

I like UKTickling, those ladies from the UK are so much fun to watch when they are desperately ticklish

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Thanks!

Mike3684 said:

I suppose there's some value to that but my post doesn't reflect you you've been top three for as long as I can remember.

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I appreciate that Mike, and I didn't take it as a personal attack. It's just that these sort of posts happen fairly regularly and they usually say much the same sort of thing, addressing tickle producers as a whole. I think a lot of people underestimate just how much producer is doing to target there own customer base, and to please the people that buy from them specifically - whilst still making clips that they themselves like. There is actually a huge range of opinions over what constitutes a great tickle clip and no one can ever please everyone. For every post saying 'more nudity' there's someone else saying 'I wish the models didn't have to be naked all the time'. For every person saying 'we only want real reactions' there's someone complaining because the model screams too much or doesn't plead enough (these are the complaints I get from time to time).

...and yes there are always (and always have been) some cynical productions that will throw out fake garbage and pass it off as real. I think that the majority of decent producers probably dislike a lot of that stuff also.

It's funny, I often feel like the OP, except I wasn't inclined to bash. I just assumed that tastes vary and mine don't quite align with the majority. For example, most seemed to love Tasha of TA as a ler, but she teased and dallied too much for my taste instead of driving the lee crazy. I happen to be irked by breaks and failure to stay at a good spot. I recognize the former are necessary, and of course I provide them myself when playing IRL, but I love when clips have them edited out so it's almost all action. While I'm ok with exploration and build up, once things get intense or a great spot is found, for me the point is to make the most of it! I prefer clips where I can find this, but understand if others don't or fewer models will participate.

It does seem when I look back at old clips (eg, Real Tickling, Tickle Central, Paradise Vision), there seemed to be a higher percentage of strong, genuine reactions. Not sure if the girls were less famous so had fewer restrictions, the lers were more into it, or the producers just had tastes more like mine.

I'll echo that it's obviously impossible to please everyone. I am probably a paradox myself in liking the reactions as extreme as possible, but ONLY if the lee is having fun. The idea of pain or torture is a huge turn off for me. But if the lee likes it or is aroused, the more ticklish screams and thrashing, the better!

T-Lord said:

It's funny, I often feel like the OP, except I wasn't inclined to bash.

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Whoa whoa -- I'm not bashing anyone -- hence the part where I said "this isn't all producers or any one producer in particular." I'm not trying to be malicious toward anyone.

As for UK Tickling -- haha, dude -- some of your clips are ones I actually like. Case and point, I think you were the one to break Angelina Elise onto the scene way back if I'm not mistaken -- hadn't ever seen her before your clips and those were favorites of mine.

I would tend to agree with the OP's opinions for the most part. The one thing that he didn't bring up is the poor bondage that you see in many of the clips. I mean, does it make any sense to tie someones arms up above their head if there's so much slack that they can pull them down far enough to completely close off their armpits? Why even bother? I will say that I've seen some that do tie the 'lees up tight enough that they can't move away from tickling fingers (or whatever else they're being tickled with), or protect themselves in any way. That's how I do it when I get the chance to. But then, what's the point if the person tickling them is just skittering around and avoiding any really ticklish spots as the OP mentioned? I realize that to find a good looking, really ticklish model that is willing to be tightly bound and tickled half to death is not the easiest thing to do. But I'm also thinking if the money was right for them, the producer could make it back in sales. Just my two cents worth...

The Depths said:

Over the years, I may have possibly seen damn near every /F tickling clip available.

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Translation: "Like everyone else in this community, I skimmed the first two pages of pirated Tickle Abuse videos on Pornhub and can now speak with authority on the entire industry."

It needs to be said that, this is not all video producers nor is it any one video producer in particular, but often I've found some of the amateur clips to be a lot more intense and genuine than many of the "higher production" content I've seen over the years.

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And yet, for some reason, no one who starts one of these threads ever actually names any of the producers they're talking about, leaving us all to wonder who the f**k is guilty of these transgressions. Grow some balls for once and start naming names, people. How the hell are producers supposed to respond to this?