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Just a question about Kujman
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Please rant some more. This was awesome, and true.
Who says "True, but do you know he has a mountain of LEGENDARY videos you'll never see?!" as I've only seen you comment this haha, and I can't say this because I can't see the videos either LMAO. I wouldn't say Kujman is some kind of legendary tickling god I'm just interested in what he does and the scenes he creates since everyone else who makes videos uses the same tied to a bed restraint and bondage furniture. I would just like to see something different for a change, nothing wrong with that.
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Like whore abduction amirite?
No you're wrong I'm afraid, I haven't heard that rumour before. Plus female tickling isn't my thing.
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Well then I don't know what to tell ya.
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He also went to a NEST in the mid 2000s but it just wasn’t his scene (not intense enough, no elaborate scenarios, etc.)
He also got caught earlier in his “career” on a Renfaire forum planning to sell his videos of renfaire tickling involving the public, regardless of age, and without signed consent forms or a copy of their legal documentation.
The back-and-forth is still up at the forum last time I checked, and it is pretty incredible. He really went into defensive mode, and I think this was the first time he threatened lawsuits, which he does from time to time.
There is something you could tell me but I don't think I'll bother asking since you get too argumentative and are so adamant that you're right it's a waste of time. I've done my own research into these rumours and hate towards Kujman and I've come to the conclusion that it's all utter bullshit. And no I'm not him, never met him, I'm an outsider to what he does and I wasn't on here 20 years ago when the shit was kicking off. Also I don't see him as some sort of tickling god so say what you want it means nothing to me.
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Oddjob0226
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That kind of means that people who were here and who did see this-or-that and have related these tales (different people who don’t know each other, but more than a few that have had personal contact with him. This is a guy the TMF had to lock out, after all. They don’t do that very often. The last person I recall was Drew70 and he was definitely a fixture around here.) have no value to you, either as a potential of so much material or as a cautionary tale.
That’s like saying the Pearl Harbor may or may not have happened because you weren't there.
The prostitution abduction is crap, though. I’ve never heard that story, and even if he told that story, that’s not a thing that actually happened. The burning of a former lover/play-partner’s car & the eyewitness statement was, however.
Kuj is on Facebook & Fetlife. Anyone who wants to connect with him is perfectly capable of doing so. No one is stopping anyone.
I'm not quite sure how to respond to your post, I think you may have misread what I meant? There are things I could say but I feel reluctant going into detail on this forum as it will bring out the usual bunch who love to argue and shut people down.
I'm not sure where this fascination (obsession?) you have with Kujman comes from, but you need to let this go. You just bumped a month and a half old thread to accuse everyone else of being argumentative. Oddjob was referring to you freely admitting that you weren't around when this guy was in his "prime" but I, and many others, were. He seems to have produced some interesting content, but actually getting to see any of it was not worth dealing with his behavior which bordered on pathological at times. Not just here, but on the old newsgroups like ASFT and AMT where content was regularly posted. Whether you choose to believe what others have said of him or not (though the prostitution thing is CERTAINLY not true) is your business.
However, it's exhausting seeing you CONSTANTLY run to his defense and make hypocritical, argumentative, and at times accusatory remarks at everyone any time his name gets brought up.
Seriously, drop it.
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Jesus this bullshit still going?
Here. A group discussion well over 20 years old with THE LEGEND talking up his elaborate "stage demonstrations", being busted selling them as porn, and then screaming about a grand conspiracy against him. Featuring some random defenders who "know him" and inexplicably share the same textual "voice" he does.
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.fairs.renaissance/c/hcV2lzj2stI
If this is "utter bullshit", he's the victim of far and away THE most precise, detailed, and long running trolling campaign I've ever seen. But I guess that makes sense, right? You'd really need to get in the ground floor of the utter bullshit early if you intended to take out a LEGEND.
Time to lock this thread and delete it. I would go into more detail and elaborate with what I mean but there is no chance what with rally and Comfort Eagle chiming in as usual.
Oddjob0226 you have been very reasonable and I thank you for that.
Oddjob0226 you have been very reasonable and I thank you for that.
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I mean you got mad and said you think everyone lies about him. I sat there and showed you (after being requested to, months after the fact, by you)an over two decade old piece of evidence that demonstrates THE LEGEND has routinely accused everyone around him of plotting to undermine him and his "influence". I literally gave you exactly what you demanded.
You'd be better off contacting David Farrier to see if you can get a Tickled 2 off the ground, because CLEARLY The Legend is obviously the victim of some incredibly elaborate and multifaceted conspiracy that spans literally decades.
It's hilarious that you try to knock other people for "chiming in as usual" when you're the one who needlessly bumped a months old thread just to start shit up again. If you have all these details and elaborations, then perhaps you could actually post them if you think they would add something to the discussion rather than just picking fights. There was literally nothing in your post that reopened this other than you feeling the need to make a snarky remark.
If you have nothing constructive to add, then let this shit die. The thread WAS effectively dead until you felt the need to take another jab at someone. I've been reasonable with you before, but you're just a broken record, and your schtick is getting old.
I don't have an obsession with Kujman, am I praising him above everyone else and claiming he is some kind of god? I never accused everyone with being argumentative, that comment was a reply to Comfort Eagle how did you miss that when I quoted them? I get it that you don't like the guy or that type of scene play so why moan when someone brings him up?
And you say I "CONSTANTLY run to his defense and make hypocritical, argumentative, and at times accusatory remarks at everyone any time his name gets brought up" come on I haven't done it that much and you can say the same thing to those who CONSTANTLY moan and whinge when he's name gets brought up.
If you want to reply please do through pm and not on this thread, it's time for the mods to delete it and lets say no more on the matter publicly. Although I'm guessing Comfort Eagle will have something more to say....
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I say it's time for the thread to stay open so in 3 months you can randomly decide you want to bump it again.
No, I'll pass on that idea thank you. That's the problem with having a few drinks then looking through the forum you see older posts and think "hang on I've got something to add" then you post something without thinking about wording it properly and BANG! Too late to go back and change it and when it's to do with the "K" word, ouch things get ugly.
Oh,boy....the soap opera-esque drama about Kujman continues,even from an outdated post(with outdated unworkable links) from 23 years ago(when the anti-Kujman movement was even occurring).
It must be a slow moving day at the TMF(that is only going to make Kujman slyly smile[from the free publicity of his name that he is receiving]).
Now,that sounds like a great idea for a TICKLED 2 to have it centered around the controversy surrounding Kujman while exploring the tickle fetish universe of Kujman,along with his fascination of mixing S&M into the tickling and getting some interviews with Yagi(the original tickle fetish mestro) about his take on Kujman.
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I like that idea and have considered mentioning it on here before. My only apprehension is that it could make the community look bad as a whole.
I didn't miss anything. You replied to a topic that hasn't been posted in since August so you could take a pot shot at another user, and reaffirm your claim that nothing said about Kujman was ever true. What purpose does that serve other than to be argumentative?
You've defended him so ardently in the past that some users questioned whether or not you were him. Your first comment in this thread was to comment about how you thought it was "hilarious" that there is still hard feelings and anger toward the way he acted.
If you're going to shit talk, you don't also get to act like the grown up.
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Hi. I'd like to contribute to this thread. I knew Kurt off-and-on from 2000 to 2003, almost exactly during the time I was married to a then-famous female ticklee in the online tickling community; she was known as Josie the Ticklish Pussycat. (Our split had nothing to do with tickling. It was an amicable split, and we have wished each other well.)
We lived in her hometown of Albany NY. (A minor reason why we honeymooned in San Francisco was to meet Kurt and Ticklegal; during that last week of September 2000, they took us out to dinner, and we all played together another night. [At the time, he was bi-coastal; he lived in San Francisco for half the year, and in northern New Jersey for half the year.])
After the honeymoon, Josie and I talked about taking advantage of her fame to host small tickling gatherings at our Albany home, and we decided to do so. We decided to make a slight change to the name and abbreviation of NEST (the Northeast Society of Ticklephiles) for our own gathering; we called it NYST (the New York [State] Society of Ticklephiles). We held four gatherings from 2001 to 2003, and Kurt attended three of them. He brought a LOT of tickling/bondage equipment for one of them... I believe it was NYST II in the spring of 2002.
He was friendly, cordial, funny and witty, and very talented. I'm under the impression that he still is. I didn't hear him brag about anything, or make any statements about "inventing" the fetish, or say or do anything negative. He just seemed like a terrific guy who had access to money and resources, and was happy to spend and use them for the fetish we all love. I learned that he dove into the fetish as soon as he could; in San Francisco, he showed me a picture of himself, holding a set of stocks he built himself at age ten. AGE TEN! There are some ten-year-olds who don't know which side of the playground smells the worst! (And I think I told him that... and then I properly credited it to George Carlin. I think he was an early bloomer -- or a very early bloomer -- whereas I know I was a VERY LATE bloomer.)
As for 9/11, this is what he told me and Josie -- and I'll never forget this. That morning, he was in a recording studio -- his regular job is as a working performer (actor, singer, dancer), and you HAVE seen him and/or heard his voice in multiple television commercials -- when everyone in the studio heard a very loud crash. (The first plane hit one of the towers.) Everyone ran outdoors to see what happened, and Kurt's first reaction was to run TOWARD the towers. (Many people's instinct is to run AWAY from danger, but others have a different instinct -- to try to be helpful to others.)
He told us that as he approached the towers, he saw a man who "looked in really bad shape." Therefore, Kurt threw his cell phone to that man, with the understanding that he could then use it for anything he needed or wanted it to do. (Unfortunately, that man, whoever he was, showed up later in a lower Manhattan morgue, with that phone strapped to his body... and because Kurt's name was on the phone, the morgue apparently labeled that corpse with Kurt's name... and that information went online... which led to many rumors in the tickling community that Kurt was dead.)
After throwing his cell phone to that man, Kurt tried to help others, but before he could find a person in charge to ask "How can I help?", he was hit by a large chunk of falling asphalt, and he immediately collapsed.
He eventually returned to consciousness in a lower Manhattan hospital several days later. He had a punctured lung, multiple fractured ribs, and a concussion. He got the surgical operations and treatment he needed, and he was released from the hospital, but he told Josie and me that his energy level just wasn't the same after that incident... and that was coupled with a perfectly-understandable case of survivor's guilt.
I'm under the impression that Kurt did eventually recover his pre-9/11 energy levels, but it took many years.
I liked spending time with him, and learning from him. His experiences and ideas truly astonished me. All of that came from direct contact with the man. I have no direct knowledge of anything sneaky, nefarious, sinister, or criminal. I've heard the rumors, but I don't believe them. I wish him all the best.
We lived in her hometown of Albany NY. (A minor reason why we honeymooned in San Francisco was to meet Kurt and Ticklegal; during that last week of September 2000, they took us out to dinner, and we all played together another night. [At the time, he was bi-coastal; he lived in San Francisco for half the year, and in northern New Jersey for half the year.])
After the honeymoon, Josie and I talked about taking advantage of her fame to host small tickling gatherings at our Albany home, and we decided to do so. We decided to make a slight change to the name and abbreviation of NEST (the Northeast Society of Ticklephiles) for our own gathering; we called it NYST (the New York [State] Society of Ticklephiles). We held four gatherings from 2001 to 2003, and Kurt attended three of them. He brought a LOT of tickling/bondage equipment for one of them... I believe it was NYST II in the spring of 2002.
He was friendly, cordial, funny and witty, and very talented. I'm under the impression that he still is. I didn't hear him brag about anything, or make any statements about "inventing" the fetish, or say or do anything negative. He just seemed like a terrific guy who had access to money and resources, and was happy to spend and use them for the fetish we all love. I learned that he dove into the fetish as soon as he could; in San Francisco, he showed me a picture of himself, holding a set of stocks he built himself at age ten. AGE TEN! There are some ten-year-olds who don't know which side of the playground smells the worst! (And I think I told him that... and then I properly credited it to George Carlin. I think he was an early bloomer -- or a very early bloomer -- whereas I know I was a VERY LATE bloomer.)
As for 9/11, this is what he told me and Josie -- and I'll never forget this. That morning, he was in a recording studio -- his regular job is as a working performer (actor, singer, dancer), and you HAVE seen him and/or heard his voice in multiple television commercials -- when everyone in the studio heard a very loud crash. (The first plane hit one of the towers.) Everyone ran outdoors to see what happened, and Kurt's first reaction was to run TOWARD the towers. (Many people's instinct is to run AWAY from danger, but others have a different instinct -- to try to be helpful to others.)
He told us that as he approached the towers, he saw a man who "looked in really bad shape." Therefore, Kurt threw his cell phone to that man, with the understanding that he could then use it for anything he needed or wanted it to do. (Unfortunately, that man, whoever he was, showed up later in a lower Manhattan morgue, with that phone strapped to his body... and because Kurt's name was on the phone, the morgue apparently labeled that corpse with Kurt's name... and that information went online... which led to many rumors in the tickling community that Kurt was dead.)
After throwing his cell phone to that man, Kurt tried to help others, but before he could find a person in charge to ask "How can I help?", he was hit by a large chunk of falling asphalt, and he immediately collapsed.
He eventually returned to consciousness in a lower Manhattan hospital several days later. He had a punctured lung, multiple fractured ribs, and a concussion. He got the surgical operations and treatment he needed, and he was released from the hospital, but he told Josie and me that his energy level just wasn't the same after that incident... and that was coupled with a perfectly-understandable case of survivor's guilt.
I'm under the impression that Kurt did eventually recover his pre-9/11 energy levels, but it took many years.
I liked spending time with him, and learning from him. His experiences and ideas truly astonished me. All of that came from direct contact with the man. I have no direct knowledge of anything sneaky, nefarious, sinister, or criminal. I've heard the rumors, but I don't believe them. I wish him all the best.
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Wow he sounds super badass.
Now explain where I just linked to him selling his "100% clean family friendly no seedy business here historical reenactments" as foot fetish pornography, being caught, and screaming about a conspiracy.
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