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Historical accounts of tickling being used as torture on women?

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I mean as interrogation for information, as punishment for something etc. Perhaps back in the middle ages or whenever that was when people were put in stocks and passersby would tickle their feet. That always got my imagination going thinking about "immoral" women being punished in that way for being prostitutes, adultery, etc. You know, historical accounts of non-consensual tickling of women.

I remember my grandma reading a story in the newspaper of a woman divorcing her husband and one of her complaints (probably her biggest complaint) was that he tied her up and tickled her against her will. And the judge admonished the husband for torturing his wife (he used that word) in such a way. Don't remember much about the story, but these are the kinds of things I'm talking about. Actually if anyone knows what story I'm talking about and knows more about it that would be great.

I know, I know, I'm a
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ing sick mother
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er for finding any of this arousing. I know the drill. If you've ever found something arousing that you know you shouldn't, but you still do, well then you understand. Just thought I'd throw this out there and see what happens. :confused:
 
i dont know how to put this without sounding like im trying to justify something but sort of on the same subject as the last thing you just said, am i the only one who actually feels sorry for people that are turned on by rapeing and killing people, i dont think its right for them to live out theyre fantasies and actually do it like some do! but imagine if that was what did it for you? that must really mess with your head, i dont think its right at all, but it does suck. and will power can be so weak when sexual arousal comes into play.
 
BAC once did an entire little book on this. Each page a different segment in history.

I think we all have the non-con fantasies from time to time around here. We wouldn't act on them, but we might do them as part of actual consensual play. Pretending it's non-con when it really is.

Some women actually do have rape fantasies - not because they actually want to be raped, but because they were taught to deny their sexual feelings as "dirty" - so by fantasizing about being forced to have (and enjoy) sex they remove their trained guilt. They were made to do it therefore they aren't responsible, therefore aren't "sinners and dirty w***es".
 
Looks great, Lurker! You or anyone else know the name of that BAC book? Any idea if there was any historical accuracy behind it? Like that one pic you attached, were women accused of prostitution really favorites to put in the tickling stocks? Very interesting in my own sick bastard sort of way LOL
 
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TicklishLurker said:
Some women actually do have rape fantasies - not because they actually want to be raped, but because they were taught to deny their sexual feelings as "dirty" - so by fantasizing about being forced to have (and enjoy) sex they remove their trained guilt. They were made to do it therefore they aren't responsible, therefore aren't "sinners and dirty w***es".
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Wow Lurker I couldn't have said that better myself. My girlfriend is one of those girls that has that fantasy for the exactly the reason you stated.
 
nobody271 said:
Wow Lurker I couldn't have said that better myself. My girlfriend is one of those girls that has that fantasy for the exactly the reason you stated.
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Well, besides learning about this in human sexuality, I speak from experience. My mother once told me that "Only men and w****s enjoy sex." That good girls don't get any pleasure from it and do it as a duty to men. So I've had those fantasies myself. Though they're usually the bodice-ripper romance novel type.

And I do fantasize about being tickle-tortured without my consent as well. Usually worked as part of the above fantasy.
 
Everyone has their own fantasies whether accepted or not , and that's just the way it is .
 
TicklishLurker said:
Well, besides learning about this in human sexuality, I speak from experience. My mother once told me that "Only men and w****s enjoy sex." That good girls don't get any pleasure from it and do it as a duty to men. So I've had those fantasies myself. Though they're usually the bodice-ripper romance novel type.

And I do fantasize about being tickle-tortured without my consent as well. Usually worked as part of the above fantasy.
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I learned about sex from my grandma's home medical journal from the '50s. And it said basically the same thing: that men get much more pleasure from sex than women and the women do it basically to satisfy the man. And I'm in 8th grade, never even talked to a girl cause of being too shy, so I don't know any different! Of course, I spent most of my time reading and reareading what they had to say about the clitoris. This is because they said women get pleasure from the clitoris being "titillated", a new word for me at the time, so I looked it up and it said "titillate: to tickle". So no other part of the book really had my attention after that LOL
 
experiment

] a few months ago i located a set of village stocks which were open.
amanda always fancied a go in real stocks so we set off.
she was in them for about ten minutes. of course it would have been bad manners not to try a little tickle of the nylon feet.
during this time a man was walking along the nearby road with his wife and dog. he could not take his eyes off the stocks, especially hearing her giggle then laugh. he seemed to get a telling from his wife and they went on.
after she had been let out an old gent (about 65 plus) came over to us. he had been watching from a window. he was on his way to see us but we had finished taking pics by then.
he said anytime we were coming back to look at the stocks to give him a call and he would tell us about their history.
amanda was of the opinion that given the chance, both would have been up for a sly tickle of the wench. j.j.
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Found more!

http://www.tickletheater.com/showthread.php?t=18163&page=1&pp=10

I found this thread at tickletheater where a good amount of BAC's work is posted, including several pages from the "historical tickling" book Lurker was referring to. I don't know if all of it is there because I don't know how many pages the book was.

Also someone in the thread said that BAC died some time ago, unfortunately. Although some others in the thread didn't seem to believe it. :confused:

Another question: I've heard in other posts that someone who is tickled against their will, by someone they are not comfortable having touch them, will usually not laugh, but will more likely scream, cry, cuss, etc. So my question is this: even though I realize they're meant for fantasy purposes, are the 'lees who are depicted as laughing in N-C situations (either in pictures or in stories) realistic or not?

Take for example armpit_licker's account of a young woman he goes to school with being tickled by someone she didn't like AT ALL, and despite her best efforts to pretend not to be ticklish, shortly succumbed to the laughter. And according to A-L, you could even tell she was angry while she was laughing helplessly. http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=74840 for anyone who hasn't read the story (its short).

So I hear stuff like this and it makes me not so sure that completely N-C situations do not produce laughter just as much as consentual situations. The laughter is devoid of any enjoyment and is simply a reflex the 'lee can't control, but the point is theyre still laughing.

Not trying to justify N-C tickling, just wondering if it's realistic to depict 'lees in N-C situations as laughing. And as I've said before, yes I have watched Tickling Paradise's N-C video and despite a valiant effort by the 'lee to make it realistic, I could tell it was staged for reasons I won't go into here. :)
 
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Historically, yes

tickling was used by two actual historical persons who were father and son; Simon De Montfort the Elder was infamous for using tickle torture when he served as grand inquisitor of France during the so-called crusade against the Albigensian Heresy in Provence.

His son, Simon De Montfort the younger, shared his dad's proclivities and got himself appointed Witchfinder General to the English Throne. (The family was one of many Norman knightly clans that owned estates in both France and England).

There have been unsubstantiated travellers accounts of tickling used as punishment in parts of the Sahara and Arabia, and in middle ages China.

It was used as a test of endurance in middle ages Indonesia to see if a woman was worthy to wed a king or a crown prince.

In Czarist Russia it was used as a highly sophisticated form of foreplay, and women of the noble classes hired professionals to tickle either the woman who hired them or to tickle another woman in the presence of the woman who hired the tickler; in both cases the object was to arouse the one who paid the fee.

My grandfather, as a young officer in the Czar's army, was twice ordered to stand guard outside the door of a room where a professional foot tickler was working on a high ranking noblewoman! he told me about the experiences.

The law in Czarist Russia stated that to obtain a woman's consent to sex by tickling her without her consent to the tickling was the same as forcible rape, because foot tickling was believed to be so arousing that the victim lost the ability to say no to sex!

The story was that the Czar's court learned the technique from the Cossacks, who learned it from the Tartars they conquered for the throne, and the Tartars learned it from the Chinese.

There are stories from many parts of the old world about tickle torture being used to break the resistance of female slaves without marring their beauty. There are even rumors about that still being done today.

Two of the stories in my archive are based on the activities of the two Simon De Montforts, Pere et Fils.
See; In the Hands Of The Grand Inquistor
and; Captive of the Witchfinder General.
 
TicklishLurker said:
BAC once did an entire little book on this. Each page a different segment in history.

I think we all have the non-con fantasies from time to time around here. We wouldn't act on them, but we might do them as part of actual consensual play. Pretending it's non-con when it really is.

Some women actually do have rape fantasies - not because they actually want to be raped, but because they were taught to deny their sexual feelings as "dirty" - so by fantasizing about being forced to have (and enjoy) sex they remove their trained guilt. They were made to do it therefore they aren't responsible, therefore aren't "sinners and dirty w***es".
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ahh i loved BAC's artwork..truly the best.. and i agree with you Jami..i have these fantasies often, also the rape fantasies, but in real life, without my consent or knowledge i highly doubt i would enjoy these fantasies at all, unless it's part of a role playing scenario...
 
Mastertank1 said:
The law in Czarist Russia stated that to obtain a woman's consent to sex by tickling her without her consent to the tickling was the same as forcible rape, because foot tickling was believed to be so arousing that the victim lost the ability to say no to sex!
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I'd say that's about right. :couch:
 
Well, that may seem strange, but i hope we will once hear in the news about some terrorists maybe or someone torturing imprisoned girls. Then we will at least have some real facts.

Because now we truly know nothing about what's going on around the world. And there is a big chance that in chambers histerical girlish laughter sounds.

Maybe this torture method is used effectively by federal forces and they keep this secret.
 
Chinese tickle torture
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Chinese tickle torture is a term used in western society, most often in the United States, to describe a hypothetical form of torture that involves tying a victim completely immobile and tickling them (most often on the feet) to the point of helpless laughter eventually leading to excruciating pain. Despite its name, there is no evidence that it has ever been used in China.

The term originated in the 20th century but it is sometimes claimed that it was a method of torture used during the Han Dynasty. Those who claim this state that Chinese tickle torture was a torture for nobility in that it left no marks and the victim could recover quickly. No historic evidence exists that it was actually ever practiced in ancient China and Chinese tickle torture is probably a total invention of western imagination.

Another torture method, perhaps not in fact ever invented or practiced by the Chinese, is Chinese water torture. Both terms are generally regarded as offensive; there is no evidence that either tickle torture or water torture was invented or practiced by the Chinese.

The term "Chinese tickle torture" may today be found in the world of sexual fetishism. To practice "Chinese tickle torture" on a sex partner is to tie them immobile and lightly to moderately tickle various body parts. In the world of BDSM this is enjoyable for both the tickler and the recipient of the tickling, so the action is not in reality torture.

Tickle torture was, however, used in Japan, where it was known as kusuguri-zeme, and in ancient Rome. In Rome, the victim would be tide down and the feet would be coated with salt. A goat would be brought into the room and would proceed to lick off the salt from the victim's feet. Once all the salt was gone, more would be added, and the process would repeat itself. The victim would experience excrutiating agony. Tickle-torture can possibly result in death.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_tickle_torture"
 
Sorry for digging it out... Actually I found proofe that tickle torture was used by communist Polish Security Forces as a form of interrogation. In a memoirs of a Polish Jesuit priest there was a section about him being arrested after WW II by communists. While in prison he was hearing for a whole week almost constant laughter of a tickled woman, who begged to stop torment her. Here is the actual reference (in Polish) https://books.google.pl/books?id=Gu...ved=0ahUKEwjem6625sDPAhXCDywKHUGqB9YQ6AEIJTAA
 
Paszkowt, that looks like a rare and precious piece of evidence, and one which none of us could ever have found out about without you, since we need to be able to read Polish. I had never heard of this Jesuit priest Tomasz Rostworowski, even though I was raised a Catholic and have also taken a certain interest in the history of the Eastern Bloc. I don't suppose his book has been translated into English (?). Any chance that you could do us a short translation of the relevant passage some time?
 
Well, I checked in the Library of Congress and the British Library and they both have his books only in Polish... And the exact translation is:
"...on the second floor of Barrack no X, through the whole week (1-7 May 1951), almost constantly, day and night, a laughter of a tickle tortured woman, who begged to stop tormenting her. One of our neighbours couldn't stand this anymore and started shouting loudly "Stop tormenting that woman!"
 
Also in "Młodość zdeptana lecz nieujarzmiona : Demokratyczna Armia Krajowa w latach 1949-1955 / szkice, wspomnienia i dokumenty w opracowaniu Jana Prokopowicza" That stand for Youth trampled but not tamed : DEmocratic Home Army in the years 1945-1955 there is /m passage:
https://books.google.pl/books?id=p4...ved=0ahUKEwiIq8ehtMPPAhXRKiwKHXmaBdkQ6AEIHDAA
"Sensiive to tickling were tickled to unconsciousness. The specialist in this was the officer who interrogated Tadeusz Nowak."
I also found evidence that Nazi Gestapo used tickling. In
http://rebelya.pl/forum/watek/2303/
There is a passage "Co może wydać się paradoksalne, w „Palace” używano również łaskotania, które mogło być gorszą torturą niż bicie i również doprowadzić więźnia do osłabienia. What may be seen as a paradox in Palace tickling was also used, which could be worse torture than beating and also could lead to weakening the prisoner" It's based of relation o one of the former prisoners, although the exact citation isn't given.
 
Not particular punishment, but nevertheless an interesting fact:
it’s a “Ticklers’ sect” story – perhaps the only one the authenticity of which could be believed. It was mention in an official Russian Church journal in 1899 – in the Czar time, before revolution – among description of some other religion sects of a remote Siberian region.

The article tells that one peasant farmer once interpreted Holy Writ quite peculiarly and started to live with his wife in a “spiritual way”. He made acquaintance with a “holy man” in the neighboring hamlet and soon commenced spreading his sectarianism all over the neighborhood. The sect peculiar rites were that all the followers, despite of their age, gender and marital status, used to gather in the evenings for the “wedding feast” to tickle each other, waiting for the “midnight bridegroom”. The newbies in the sect were subjected to especially merciless tickling, which some couldn’t survive.

There were also complaints that few local young women were captured and tickled almost to unconsciousness when they just came close to the sect members out of curiosity. Well, I’ve never seen this journal, and I don’t know if the author could tell the truth from folk tales, but at least the whole story seems plausible – the only one of its kind Sect of Ticklers.
The “Missionary Review” Russian journal, February 1899, page 257-258
 
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I found this drawing a while ago which maybe belongs in this thread. As far as I know, it doesn't depict a confirmed historical incident, but I would love to know what inspired the artist to come up with it. Had he heard a rumour?

It is the work of the French erotic illustrator Martin van Maele (1863-1926). If you look him up, you will see that he had a very fevered and devious imagination. This drawing is one of its products. I don't know anything about it, but from the clothes that the characters are wearing it looks like it is set in the 16th century or thereabouts, and my idea is that it shows an imagined or rumoured scene from the upheavals in France during the Wars of Religion between Catholics and Protestants. Just guessing though. Another possibility is that I have got the era wrong and it is a scene from the Terror that followed the Revolution, in the 1790s.

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvp1p4GKy1qcf87so1_500.jpg
 
matt62 said:
I found this drawing a while ago which maybe belongs in this thread. As far as I know, it doesn't depict a confirmed historical incident, but I would love to know what inspired the artist to come up with it. Had he heard a rumour?

It is the work of the French erotic illustrator Martin van Maele (1863-1926). If you look him up, you will see that he had a very fevered and devious imagination. This drawing is one of its products. I don't know anything about it, but from the clothes that the characters are wearing it looks like it is set in the 16th century or thereabouts, and my idea is that it shows an imagined or rumoured scene from the upheavals in France during the Wars of Religion between Catholics and Protestants. Just guessing though. Another possibility is that I have got the era wrong and it is a scene from the Terror that followed the Revolution, in the 1790s.

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvp1p4GKy1qcf87so1_500.jpg
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It is one of the illustrations produced by Van Maële for an edition of La Sorcière by Jules Michelet in 1911 (first published in 1862, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism_and_Witchcraft_(book)).

This scene represents the famous research of the "mark of the Devil" which, it seems, was enough to prove that a suspect was a witch, under the old regime. Tickling, here, is not the subject.

https://www.chaosophie.net/2015/07/martin-van-maele/
 
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