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Canada Issues Rare Caution on Travel to U.S.

ShiningIce

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Canada, in a highly unusual travel warning, on Wednesday urged Canadian citizens born in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia to think carefully before entering the United States, saying they could fall afoul of tough new U.S. anti-terrorism laws.



The Foreign Ministry said it issued the advisory after Washington stipulated that anyone born in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, or Syria needed to be photographed and fingerprinted on arrival in the United States.


This includes citizens of Canada, a country which is traditionally regarded as one of the closest allies of the United States.


"It's not something we approve of and we've registered our strongest disapproval with the United States authorities," Foreign Minister Bill Graham told reporters.


"We can't tell the Americans what to do on their own territory. What we're telling them is that we don't accept this and we find it very troubling...I am certain that in due course common sense will prevail." The Foreign Ministry advisory, posted on its Web site, is another indication of how ties between the two neighbors have soured in past months amid disputes over trade, policy toward Iraq and immigration policies.


Before the Sept. 11 suicide attacks, people from both countries crossed the shared 5,525 mile border with barely a thought. Security and identity checks have now been tightened considerably.


The U.S. rules, introduced on Sept. 11 this year, are designed to tighten security by authorizing the Immigration and Naturalization Service to track the arrival and departure of non-immigrants.


Ottawa's travel warning follows the controversial deportation of a Canadian citizen by the United States to Syria, his birthplace, earlier this month.


The advisory also said Canadians born in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Yemen could attract special attention from U.S. authorities.


"In these circumstances, the (ministry) advises Canadians who were born in the above (eight) countries or who may be citizens of these countries to consider carefully whether they should attempt to enter the United States for any reason, including transit to or from third countries," it said.


Graham said he had raised the issue last month with Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites), who gave assurances that some kind of flexibility would be introduced for Canadian citizens.

"We're expecting some news from the Americans. They have not brought in that flexibility," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Reynald Doiron.

In Washington, the State Department said the new rules were designed to make the United States safer.

"I think we are concerned that many, many countries in the world have had problems with terrorists," spokesman Richard Boucher told a briefing.

He referred specifically to the case of Algerian-born Ahmed Ressam, who was arrested in December 1999 trying to enter the United States from Canada in a car packed with explosives. It later emerged that he had ignored a Canadian deportation order against him and even managed to obtain a Canadian passport.

"So, yes, it's a big border and bad guys try to come across. I think that goes without saying. The question is what we, in cooperation with the Canadian government, can do to make both our countries safer," said Boucher.

Last month, U.S. agents at New York's John F. Kennedy airport arrested a Canadian they suspected of links to militant groups, finally expelling him to Syria on Oct. 8.

Mohamed Arar -- who also holds a Syrian passport -- was arrested as he was changing planes on his way back to Canada from Tunisia. He is in detention in Syria, where authorities are probing whether he has links to groups such as al Qaeda.

U.S. critics charge that Canada's immigration system does not do enough to weed out militants who might want to launch attacks in the United States. Graham said he had stressed to U.S. officials that all immigrants had to go through tough security screening before coming to Canada.

"I have pointed out to them that both our countries are countries of immigration and that Canadian citizens have a right to be treated as Canadian citizens wherever they may be born," he said.

Hussein Amery, president of the National Council on Canada-Arab Relations, said the U.S. rules were a clear case of racial profiling and urged Ottawa to toughen its stance.

"It certainly looks, smells and feels like racism...the Americans are certainly not treating Canadians as friends when they do this," he added, referring to the Arar case.

Canada's ties with the United States are already under strain over a protracted trade dispute about Canadian lumber exports, fresh tensions over wheat exports and Ottawa's opposition to a unilateral U.S. attack on Iraq.
 
I'd be more worried about protecting aaaaaaaaaaaaaall that coastline rather than the canadian border. The Australian government insists on pouring money into border patrols to cover one of the world's largest and emptiest coastlines. What's to stop anyone with any boat skills at all simply rocking up on American or Australian beaches and walk into the city? There are often cases here of indonesians with wet clothes walking off the beach and trying to hire a cab. Of course, that doesn't stop my government throwing them in a desert prison for eternity for being 'suspected terrorists'. Yeah, coz they're arab... If you're gonna be racist, at least admit it guys!

Biggles (closing vents)
 
ShiningIce said:
The advisory also said Canadians born in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Yemen could attract special attention from U.S. authorities.

ah, nuts. :(


(wasn't actually born there, but I'm noticing that that doesn't matter these days)
 
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I just want to comment for all of you here at TMF that are NOT living in America.

Here in America we have NOT all of a sudden become racist to people from the middle-east. I don't care if the dress like us or if they wear a towel over their heads. I will accept them as American citizens.

I do not remember who posted it, I think it might have been Ven, but in a post following 9/11 someone commented that it is NOT the local 7-11 owners fault for the awful things that have happened in America. And that's the truth!!!
 
It ain't a beach towel, ya know

ForgottenTcklr said:
I don't care if the dress like us or if they wear a towel over their heads.

Towel over their heads?!?

C'mon, man...lol.


Cheers. :D
 
Looks like some Canadian political correctness at work.Consider these points:

The 9/11 hijackers came from several countries,but largely from Saudi
Arabia,a supposed ally. There were also other terrorists from Great Britain and another,according to Shining Ice's report,from Canada.
Nationality plays no part in who is a potential threat,matching the terrorist profile does.

Some of the latest arrests in Buffalo and Oregon were American citizens.Again,nationality doesn't matter,the profile does.

Every country has their own set of laws that visitors must follow. Having been to Canada, I had to go through their customs and adhere to Canadian law.My rights as an American citizen mattered little in another country, and that was during a peaceful period.The Canadians will also not extradict fugitives facing a death penalty in the US, despite this being part of our laws.While the Canadian government would be expected to act in the best interests of their citizens, their actions concerning their sovereignty are no different than the ones taken by the US.

Concerning racism,BULLSHIT. The terrorists we are involved with to date have been Middle Eastern males,ages 17-40,Muslims from several different countries. If I were to enter Canada and match an APB for white middle-aged bald guys with goatees,wanted for whatever,I can expect higher scrutiny,up to ,and including, being denied access to Canada.That's their job since I match a profile they are looking for,not because I happen to be part of a particular race.This particular terrorist profile is accurate time and again.If one chooses to continue being ideologically blinded,plain stupid, or just posting to see what can be posted without a moderator pulling it,fine.None of this is news.

Anyone who is thinking this is another example of American nationalism can do so.You might want to look at the post about Germany and then see if we're alone in looking out for our best interests.EVERY country does it....it's the job of their government.
Denying foreign guests access is hardly a crime.Canada will do the same when they see fit.
 
Who Cares?

Who cares what Canada thinks?!?!? After all, they are basically America Jr. :D
 
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