It's both for me. I LOVE to see a lee in such a torturous situation that she can't get out of that shy is crying for it to stop. But that's in videos. Could I myself physically bring a lee to that point? Probably wouldn't let myself out of care for her. Whenever I fantasize scenarios of my fiancé, she's always at the point of crying in ticklish agony. But I've never done it to her actually