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subscribing to Patreon is usually a ripoff...usually

cletus

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Anyone else here subscribe to any artists on Patreon?

Observations and opinions:

You don't know what you're actually going to get until you actually pay money. Sometimes it's a sham what you then actually get. I figure I usually get 8? pages from MTJ for $10. Billy Buddy is amazing artist on Patreon for what I actually want to see in tickling porn. Most of the artists would get $10 out of me just once in 5 years for all the material that they have that I actually like.

Some artists charge too much, or maybe not enough. But here's the thing, I can go to C4S and get real women being tickled for $5-20 and when I support an artist on Patreon I'm usually going to get maybe 3 pics I want to download for about the same amount of money and I suspect the idea of Patreon is to keep giving this donation each month to just get 3 pics as if we all make 100k and can afford to support all 30+ artists on Patreon who are seeking donatons. And unless you're literally BAC you're art is going to suck compared with a clip from C4S. Not that I don't appreciate art.

Also many artists have a certain thing they like to draw and this might not be something I want to see. As a straight male, definitely not into MM art and almost don't care for any FM content and will certainly never get off to FM content EVER. Also, if I donate for 1 month to find out an artist does an occassional tickling piece, but focuses more on bondage then that is also taking away from what I want.

I also don't understand Patreon pages where there are videos which I can't download. Okay if you don't want people just paying you $10 once to download everything then put that stuff up on C4S.

To sum it up I think there are at most 3 artists I should be donating to every month as a straight male who's only into tickling in bondage scenarios where the art is at least closer to what BAC could draw compared with what I can draw, which is damn near only stick figures.

I understand why MTJ might have standards for who they allow to draw for them if that's how they conduct their business. Dr. Random great. Many of the artists should just be posting for free on DeviantArt.

Just my opinion.
 
So, I don't have a Patreon but I do and have done story commissions for years and I get this kind of thing a lot. But having also been involved in making videos, the two are priced very differently. Think about this: Any tickle clip producer is going to take their performers and shoot a clip. Not all the time but most of the time, this takes maybe an afternoon... if not less. After editing and uploading the clip, they usually charge their price based on the length of the clip. Now try commissioning a video from one of them. Go ahead. Try it. I guarantee the price is at least one or two hundred dollars. And even after you pay them that and get your video, they will still post it for others to buy. People charge based on a variety of factors and generalizing content like images or stories versus clips without any specific context is like saying that a steak cooked in front of you should be the same price as a double cheeseburger. They are very different things.
 
Peter,

I totally get your post. In fact, if my luck holds out, I may become a video producer before the end of the decade and then I will know for a fact. I guess what my post was trying to convey, other than my opinion, was in fact economics. I have a friend who years ago confessed to me that he would never pay for anything off the internet. In a perfect world too all 30 patreon artists would just charge $1/month per subscriber, but there would be enough subscribers that they would make at least $1000/month as a not amazing artist. The BAC's of the world even more. But we know our kink is a minority.

I also realize there are people who probably don't mind a non bondage tickling clip. I to the best of my knowledge have never paid $1 for any non bondage tickling porn clip. I probably have downloaded them from pornhub or spankbang though. But that producer didn't lose anything from me because I would never have paid for their clip anyway. And I don't reshare.

It would be great if this internet thing could be more trustworthy for producers. My point is though that there have been a lot of Patreon accounts that I've been subscribing to lately that have posted 3 drawings per month and then want $10/month and I could get more bang for my buck buying an MTJ comic.
 
Well, but what do you really expect out of it, though? Do you want dozens of new pics a month or something? Most do this in addition to working full time jobs and having other responsibilities. And many of them are also burdened with commission work as well. Also, I must point out, that comparing a single individual's Patreon to MTJ or a similar company that employs numerous people is just unrealistic. Also, I have personally never seen a Patreon that only had three new pics in a month, but I guess that just depends on who you are following. I guess what it comes down to is that if you feel you aren't getting anything out of it, just unsubscribe. Nobody is putting a gun to your head or anything.
 
If you join my patreon, for $15, you get access to 15+ Tickling games and about 100 hours of gaming, for what it's worth.

But anyway, I know that's not really your point. I remember back in the day, you could join the TickleAbuse membership for something like $25 and download as much as you liked for that one month, so it was a pretty good deal if you joined back twice a year or something to get all the vids. I guess it's just the nature of things that some deals are better and some are worse. It's the same with Patreon and artists.
 
This is why I never went very far with a Patreon account. As an artist, I want to make sure people KNOW what they're buying, and I want to make it as affordable as possible so they don't get too ripped off if they purchase something they don't like. I'm a 3D artist who makes a lot of free comics with multiple images, but also have a premium series going on where you can purchase chapters for $2.00 or a bundle of three chapters for $10.00. Alternatively, you can subscribe to my channel by paying a monthly fee of $2.00, $5.00, $10.00 or $20.00 and get premium stuff 100% free of extra charge.

If you want to check out my work for yourself, you can find my DA link here: https://www.deviantart.com/desperatelaughter

Free comics are made regularly, but my premium content is very cheap and affordable as well. I'd love to have your support if you're interested.
 
Interesting and thought provoking post. I have never created a Patreon account (nor charged for my material) but part of that is because I could never produce enough content frequently enough to justify a recurring cost. Three drawings a month would certainly push the limits of my own productivity...it just takes that long to finish an artwork! I suppose, as someone in the thread has already noted, that if you do this as a full time job one might be able to produce more but if this is a hobby or part time enterprise more might not be a real option. Not that this is an answer to the issue, simply pointing out that the time required to make an artwork, especially one you might want to pay money for, might explain the lack of an abundance of material for any given artist.
 
This is why I never went very far with a Patreon account. As an artist, I want to make sure people KNOW what they're buying, and I want to make it as affordable as possible so they don't get too ripped off if they purchase something they don't like. I'm a 3D artist who makes a lot of free comics with multiple images, but also have a premium series going on where you can purchase chapters for $2.00 or a bundle of three chapters for $10.00. Alternatively, you can subscribe to my channel by paying a monthly fee of $2.00, $5.00, $10.00 or $20.00 and get premium stuff 100% free of extra charge.

If you want to check out my work for yourself, you can find my DA link here: https://www.deviantart.com/desperatelaughter

Free comics are made regularly, but my premium content is very cheap and affordable as well. I'd love to have your support if you're interested.

I'm sorry too because there aren't more of us tickle freaks to support you guys more. The best of the best tickle artists probably don't make half as much as they should.
 
Interesting and thought provoking post. I have never created a Patreon account (nor charged for my material) but part of that is because I could never produce enough content frequently enough to justify a recurring cost. Three drawings a month would certainly push the limits of my own productivity...it just takes that long to finish an artwork! I suppose, as someone in the thread has already noted, that if you do this as a full time job one might be able to produce more but if this is a hobby or part time enterprise more might not be a real option. Not that this is an answer to the issue, simply pointing out that the time required to make an artwork, especially one you might want to pay money for, might explain the lack of an abundance of material for any given artist.

Yeah. You are one of the best.
 
Guilty as charged.

When I first opened my Patreon page, I wasn't sure how much to charge.
I had worked, in a much richer economy, for both digital and physical publishers, plus club and play party managers.
I was in for a rude surprise.

I originally set one 1$ tier for two pictures per months, and a couple of higher, 5$ and 10$ tiers, with pencils, WIPs, high res.
You know, extra and background stuff, for people who really wanted to support me, and commission me stuff.

Over the years, I faced awful patron turnover, and some people even said the 1$ tier was too steep.
I tried to tweak tiers, and lower prices but Patron wouldn't let me.
Eventually I added more tiers, with limited slots for "early" backers.
Basically, the same stuff, at a much lower entry price.

Incidentally, since I couldn't change tiers for older entries, and had built a bit of an archive of my old art over the years, I came up with Legacy tier.
That is, I renamed Premium to Legacy, and people backing it got the full archive of older pictures.
Newer backers only got the new stuff.
Not perfect, but at least I don't feel like I'm ripping off anybody.

I am currently experimenting with videos, again, and adding super cheap tiers.
I am posting bits of a tickling M/F video I had remotely shot, and will post the full thing for $1.09.
It's very amateur, and I don't feel like charging what C4S would force me to.

So, testing Patreon and see where we go from there.
 
My comment comes 90% as a customer (fan) and only 10% as a manufacturer.
So I also know a bit how much time, cash-investment and idealism it takes to create a work.
You artists sell you far too cheaply and if you even want to have personal contact with a genius (like Augustine for example), you should pay like you would for a back stage ticket at a concert!
Patreon fans do have a way to visually experience your imagination, after all. (I use them as a template for my -er-girls)
For example, I voluntarily rounded up the annual fee to $400 because a young artist was trying to do the best possible job and also made corrections. With your brilliant talent, you artists create dream worlds that are worth more than a tip.
I would also like to note that I asked in the States what the artist (well-known tickle model) expects as a fee for a 15-minute clip according to my specifications. The answer: $4,000, prepaid. No comment...
And - works as great as Augustine creations are not fast food like you find on some c4s channels, you can hang them in on the wall at home.
 
My comment comes 90% as a customer (fan) and only 10% as a manufacturer.
So I also know a bit how much time, cash-investment and idealism it takes to create a work.
You artists sell you far too cheaply and if you even want to have personal contact with a genius (like Augustine for example), you should pay like you would for a back stage ticket at a concert!
Patreon fans do have a way to visually experience your imagination, after all. (I use them as a template for my -er-girls)
For example, I voluntarily rounded up the annual fee to $400 because a young artist was trying to do the best possible job and also made corrections. With your brilliant talent, you artists create dream worlds that are worth more than a tip.
I would also like to note that I asked in the States what the artist (well-known tickle model) expects as a fee for a 15-minute clip according to my specifications. The answer: $4,000, prepaid. No comment...
And - works as great as Augustine creations are not fast food like you find on some c4s channels, you can hang them in on the wall at home.

Well you can say we should fork over $4000 for a picture, but when the average American makes $60,000 good luck with that.
 
I have just created my Patreon account. I have not worked out how much to charge yet but I have tons of 3D comics to share. My Ticklish Predicament series alone has over 500 pages.

Probably £19.95 a month sounds good - once I have everything up and ready.

R
 
Interesting and thought provoking post. I have never created a Patreon account (nor charged for my material) but part of that is because I could never produce enough content frequently enough to justify a recurring cost. Three drawings a month would certainly push the limits of my own productivity...it just takes that long to finish an artwork! I suppose, as someone in the thread has already noted, that if you do this as a full time job one might be able to produce more but if this is a hobby or part time enterprise more might not be a real option. Not that this is an answer to the issue, simply pointing out that the time required to make an artwork, especially one you might want to pay money for, might explain the lack of an abundance of material for any given artist.

You are absolutely one of the Best Artists out there. You art is awesome! just wanted to let you know.
 
I would hesitate to call most patreons a ripoff, especially the ones who create quality comics, art, animation (2d and 3d). These medians generally take far more resources and time to create than classic clips. Hiring two models to be filmed in a bedroom for a couple hours and making clips of them takes far less time investment than drawing or animating something from scratch. If they didn't charge what they did, they wouldn't be able to dedicate the time to make them in the first place.
 
Interesting and thought provoking post. I have never created a Patreon account (nor charged for my material) but part of that is because I could never produce enough content frequently enough to justify a recurring cost. Three drawings a month would certainly push the limits of my own productivity...it just takes that long to finish an artwork! I suppose, as someone in the thread has already noted, that if you do this as a full time job one might be able to produce more but if this is a hobby or part time enterprise more might not be a real option. Not that this is an answer to the issue, simply pointing out that the time required to make an artwork, especially one you might want to pay money for, might explain the lack of an abundance of material for any given artist.


^ Yes!

..........................and some people even said the 1$ tier was too steep.

^ For some reason, I had blurry thoughts about this before, the reason why I never tried producing TK art for Patreon. Now, it's a relief that I gave the would-be customers a favor, while I saved myself from the fuzz.
 
Ripoff...?

I am not sure how to reply to this.
 

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