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Why Are We Fixated On Authenticity of Ticklishness?

FelicityTickles said:
I guess in answer to the question, we want to see a glimpse into something real. Tickling is seen as some sort of uncontrolable reflex reaction to certain sensations, and that is what we want to see. If there is a perception of it not being a completely natural reaction then we can feel cheated, and lied too. As if our desires are being manipulated. We refer to tickle "models" and not "stars" or "actors", as if the concept of them performing a role for money is somehow taboo. The reality is that not everyone is deathly, bucking-bronco ticklish, and not every session involves somebody getting tickled "out-of their mind". If we accept that, then maybe we will be more satisfied with the results that come from professional videos, even if they are hamming it up a bit.
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Yep. Hit the nail on the head. I have bought way too many clips where I feel cheated by the producer who must think it's simply making and selling a tickling porn clip rather than the real thing, which is what I want. If I wante a cheap knockoff on some products like groceries that's fine. I buy off brand, but if I'm buying Nike shoes I don't want to buy some cheap China ripoff.
 
To primetime: To not get much out of a RARE, underline rare ticklish reaction does not make someone any less appreciative of tickling, and it doesn't mean that we can't tell that somebody is FAKING. But more importantly, if you just stand there while being tickled without reacting, that's not "faking" or poor acting, it's a different topic altogether. Saying that we don't appreciate poor acting does not mean that we don't appreciate unique reactions. We're allowed to call out a lie or a poor job. And frankly, very out of the ordinary reactions, while possible, are widely accepted as rare, and to see the same goofy acting in so many videos is no coincidence. It spoils it for a lot of people. If calling hokey acting for what it is spoils it for you, then maybe you shouldn't be reading reviews. But don't attack people for having some sense, that's just plain abusive.

I mean, if we believe that we really have "no way of knowing" that a person is really ticklish or not, then what's the point of tickling them? How could we enjoy not knowing? To relate to people, we have to associate the physical sensations of others with SOMETHING in order to recognize when it's happening. Otherwise, to the average person's mind, somebody is just being touched. Much like pain, we look for certain reactions to know that something is "wrong". The tickling response is supposed to be a developed mechanism to save our lives from something crawling on us by getting it off. For a person tickling, there is a certain reaction that serves as a confirmation that a person's body does react to touch that way. No disrespect intended, if someone is perceptively challenged or emotionally blind and the only way they can know that you're tickling someone is to be TOLD "that tickled", that's fine. And if a person is not psychologically capable of reacting to touch a certain way, that's fine. But most of us sense and experience tickling for what it is, an instinctive mechanism that serves a life saving mechanism to get something crawling on you off, and as a result has certain reaction. That's not personal taste, that's human. Shoot, many animals react that way too and therefore are only capable of enjoying tickling. That's why being "ticklish" is defined as having a common reaction, not a personal one, because the reaction mostly serves a specific purpose.

If a person has a different/arguably ineffective survival response to tickling, they're no less than anyone, they're still a human being and not being ticklish doesn't make them less well off. But many of us might not wired to recognize or enjoy that reaction. If we can sense their reacting, I imagine one might stop if we can't tell that we're causing them discomfort or not. But IF you have some intuition, usually you can. But if doesn't hurt to communicate to be safe.

And if somebody's reaction to tickling doesn't bring you pleasure for that or any other reason, there are unlimited other ways to make that person smile, laugh and be happy. I think that I value my ability to make a woman laugh from my jokes more than their reaction to laugh when tickled. The fact that anybody genuinely smiles or is happy means more in the long run than their reaction to touch.
 
Crefl1n said:
To primetime: To not get much out of a RARE, underline rare ticklish reaction does not make someone any less appreciative of tickling, and it doesn't mean that we can't tell that somebody is FAKING. But more importantly, if you just stand there while being tickled without reacting, that's not "faking" or poor acting, it's a different topic altogether. Saying that we don't appreciate poor acting does not mean that we don't appreciate unique reactions. We're allowed to call out a lie or a poor job. And frankly, very out of the ordinary reactions, while possible, are widely accepted as rare, and to see the same goofy acting in so many videos is no coincidence. It spoils it for a lot of people. If calling hokey acting for what it is spoils it for you, then maybe you shouldn't be reading reviews. But don't attack people for having some sense, that's just plain abusive.

I mean, if we believe that we really have "no way of knowing" that a person is really ticklish or not, then what's the point of tickling them? How could we enjoy not knowing? To relate to people, we have to associate the physical sensations of others with SOMETHING in order to recognize when it's happening. Otherwise, to the average person's mind, somebody is just being touched. Much like pain, we look for certain reactions to know that something is "wrong". The tickling response is supposed to be a developed mechanism to save our lives from something crawling on us by getting it off. For a person tickling, there is a certain reaction that serves as a confirmation that a person's body does react to touch that way. No disrespect intended, if someone is perceptively challenged or emotionally blind and the only way they can know that you're tickling someone is to be TOLD "that tickled", that's fine. And if a person is not psychologically capable of reacting to touch a certain way, that's fine. But most of us sense and experience tickling for what it is, an instinctive mechanism that serves a life saving mechanism to get something crawling on you off, and as a result has certain reaction. That's not personal taste, that's human. Shoot, many animals react that way too and therefore are only capable of enjoying tickling. That's why being "ticklish" is defined as having a common reaction, not a personal one, because the reaction mostly serves a specific purpose.

If a person has a different/arguably ineffective survival response to tickling, they're no less than anyone, they're still a human being and not being ticklish doesn't make them less well off. But many of us might not wired to recognize or enjoy that reaction. If we can sense their reacting, I imagine one might stop if we can't tell that we're causing them discomfort or not. But IF you have some intuition, usually you can. But if doesn't hurt to communicate to be safe.

And if somebody's reaction to tickling doesn't bring you pleasure for that or any other reason, there are unlimited other ways to make that person smile, laugh and be happy. I think that I value my ability to make a woman laugh from my jokes more than their reaction to laugh when tickled. The fact that anybody genuinely smiles or is happy means more in the long run than their reaction to touch.
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Ok....let me explain this as simply as possible. People react differently to certain physical stimulation. This is a fact. Not a theory. A fact. Why this is a difficult concept for people is beyond me. Based on that fact, how can you tell if someone is faking on video? Seriously. Ask yourself that. "Yeah, people react differently to things, but dammit, that person is faking!". You are basing your entire theory on YOUR OWN PERCEPTION. Again for those in the back. YOUR PERCEPTION. Your perception is yours. It doesn't make it fact. Notice I have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, said, that there is zero faking in videos. There very well could be. The issue I have is YOU don't know for sure by simply viewing it. You don't know. Just like I can't prove they are in fact ticklish, you can't prove they are faking. That's the entire point. But people think they do know and that is what I am calling out.

Ok, I want you to go back and think about your statement. "I mean, if we believe that we really have "no way of knowing" that a person is really ticklish or not, then what's the point of tickling them?" I mean, really read that and you might find out why it doesn't make sense to say. Did it ever dawn on you that them literally telling you "that tickles!" might be a way of knowing? The fact that they acknowledge that they are ticklish might be a way. On video, if they tell you it tickles, but barely react, they could be telling the truth, they may not. But you don't know for a fact unless you are told they are not, or you literally tickled them yourself and once again, they acknowledge they are not. You bring up pain. You have seen those folks who go through something very painful and barely react at all right? I remember going to a fetish party and they literally had some guy hanging from the ceiling with metal hooks in his flesh. Barely moved. Did it hurt? yep. He said it hurt, but he liked it. If that was me, I would have been thrashing and screaming like there is no tomorrow. Once again, PEOPLE REACT DIFFERENTLY to stimuli.

The more I discuss this topic, the more I feel for that person I mentioned that barely moves when being tickled, doesn't even laugh, but they swear they the tickling is killing them. She said she can't find partners because people who tickle her think she is not because she is not reacting in the way they PERCEIVE what is ticklish. Why would I doubt her? She is the one receiving the physical stimuli. If she says it tickles her like crazy, why am I going to doubt her? Because she doesn't fit the "stereotypical" reaction? This is where you realize "Hmmm.... I am going off my own perception of what is ticklish and what isn't. Maybe I should open my mind up more and recognize that I can't say for a fact by watching a video that the person is indeed faking."

Does this make any sense at all to you? Your perception is NOT fact. Again, there may be models who do fake being tickled. But you really do not know unless they tell you themselves as you physically touch them. Let's face it, some people suck at tickling others. Others are good at it. People say they have a tickle fetish and not an acting fetish. Then stop watching videos and tickle live humans. That way, you won't be sorely disappointed by "fake" tickle videos. You only keep pissing yourself off by watching a video and if it doesn't meet your perception of what ticklish is, then find someone in person to tickle. "I don't have access to that." Well, I guess you just have to roll the dice on the videos then. But stop getting mad over it. Enjoy the fantasy of it. I for one, love it when a female orgasms. I have a fetish for women having an orgasm. You don't think there are fake orgasms in porn? Am I wasting my energy looking at the video thinking "She is faking her orgasms!!!"? No, I just watch and enjoy....
 
My own view on this would be more of a product quality issue. If I'm putting money out to see a certain model tickled, I'm expecting her to be ticklish. If she's faking it, it's a form of fraud, taking money paid for a particular product and getting a replacement. If she's good enough at acting, the purchaser wouldn't be any the wiser. It's comparable to getting a vehicle worked on, desiring original parts, and having the garage use aftermarket parts. If the parts work well enough, you won't know any different (insurance companies often try to use aftermarket, despite not giving you any discounts for doing so). The clip producers aren't offering varying rates for the models' level of ticklishness.
 
You don't know. Just like I can't prove they are in fact ticklish, you can't prove they are faking. That's the entire point. But people think they do know and that is what I am calling out.

If this is truly what you are calling out, what's the point of even asking the question? As someone mentioned earlier, people tend to want authenticity over something fake. Just because someone can't prove with 100% certainty that something is fake doesn't mean they can't use their intuition, past experiences, visual cues and other forms of recognition to come to a determination that a video is most likely fake. Could they be wrong? Of course! No one can actually determine with 100% certainty that someone is faking without asking the person directly, and that's only if they decide to tell the truth.

If we had to get 100% certainty before making decisions in life, we would end up wasting a lot of time. For example, someone may approach you in an attempt to get to know you romantically and you might decide based on their first impression of them that they aren't a good fit for you. Could you be wrong? Yes but we don't always have time to validate every decision we make.

The reality is that tickling has always been associated with laughter (because it is the most common reaction) and more importantly is a uncontrollable response. Now, there are other reactions of course, but laughter is the most common and it's not even close. The person you described that doesn't move in response to being tickled simply isn't ticklish, because not moving isn't a reaction. You're describing tickling as if there's no such thing as a person that isn't ticklish, and I don't think that's the intention since you aren't outright saying that fake videos don't exist.
 
arctanis888 said:
You don't know. Just like I can't prove they are in fact ticklish, you can't prove they are faking. That's the entire point. But people think they do know and that is what I am calling out.

If this is truly what you are calling out, what's the point of even asking the question? As someone mentioned earlier, people tend to want authenticity over something fake. Just because someone can't prove with 100% certainty that something is fake doesn't mean they can't use their intuition, past experiences, visual cues and other forms of recognition to come to a determination that a video is most likely fake. Could they be wrong? Of course! No one can actually determine with 100% certainty that someone is faking without asking the person directly, and that's only if they decide to tell the truth.

If we had to get 100% certainty before making decisions in life, we would end up wasting a lot of time. For example, someone may approach you in an attempt to get to know you romantically and you might decide based on their first impression of them that they aren't a good fit for you. Could you be wrong? Yes but we don't always have time to validate every decision we make.

The reality is that tickling has always been associated with laughter (because it is the most common reaction) and more importantly is a uncontrollable response. Now, there are other reactions of course, but laughter is the most common and it's not even close. The person you described that doesn't move in response to being tickled simply isn't ticklish, because not moving isn't a reaction. You're describing tickling as if there's no such thing as a person that isn't ticklish, and I don't think that's the intention since you aren't outright saying that fake videos don't exist.
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Then you are not understanding my point. There are people on this forum who post that someone is faking AS FACT. Not speculation. Not "most likely" fake, they state as fact, the person is faking when watching a video. Now, doesn't that seem completely silly?

The other problem is people focus so much on what is fake or what is not, that they lose sight of the video. Just enjoy the video. Since you will never know for certain if the model is faking or not, just enjoy what you are seeing. But if all you focus on is the model is not reacting the way YOU want her/him to react, then you are going to drive yourself insane and get disappointed all the time. Just like if you want to watch a woman orgasm via sex, or even tickling, you damn well know there could be fake orgasms or real ones, but do you focus on if it is real or not? No, just watch and enjoy. I love it when a woman actually orgasms, but I am not going to waste my time trying to determine if she is faking or not in a video. I have an orgasm fetish, not an acting fetish. Yet, I don't spend time trying to figure out if it is fake or not. Come on folks....Just enjoy the video. If you don't like it, great. But this "I know she is faking even though I have never met the woman, touched her, talked to her and never ever heard her tell anyone she is faking, I just know!" is kind of silly.
 
primetime said:
Then you are not understanding my point. There are people on this forum who post that someone is faking AS FACT. Not speculation. Not "most likely" fake, they state as fact, the person is faking when watching a video. Now, doesn't that seem completely silly?

The other problem is people focus so much on what is fake or what is not, that they lose sight of the video. Just enjoy the video. Since you will never know for certain if the model is faking or not, just enjoy what you are seeing. But if all you focus on is the model is not reacting the way YOU want her/him to react, then you are going to drive yourself insane and get disappointed all the time. Just like if you want to watch a woman orgasm via sex, or even tickling, you damn well know there could be fake orgasms or real ones, but do you focus on if it is real or not? No, just watch and enjoy. I love it when a woman actually orgasms, but I am not going to waste my time trying to determine if she is faking or not in a video. I have an orgasm fetish, not an acting fetish. Yet, I don't spend time trying to figure out if it is fake or not. Come on folks....Just enjoy the video. If you don't like it, great. But this "I know she is faking even though I have never met the woman, touched her, talked to her and never ever heard her tell anyone she is faking, I just know!" is kind of silly.
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I think this comes down to a matter of perspectives; some people base their entire viewpoint on their experiences with videos and paid 'lees. As you've said, in the real world, people react differently to stimuli; I've known more than a few women who were ticklish, and loved the sensations, but "played up" their reactions because they wanted the tickling to continue. Were they "faking", if they were genuinely sensitive to it, and enjoyed it, but didn't react the same way as a model in a video? Of course not. I've also tickled women who were genuinely ticklish, and who hated it. They didn't laugh. They didn't like it. It just doesn't work like that. A steady diet of videos seems to have created unrealistic expectations.
 
Wolf said:
I think this comes down to a matter of perspectives; some people base their entire viewpoint on their experiences with videos and paid 'lees. As you've said, in the real world, people react differently to stimuli; I've known more than a few women who were ticklish, and loved the sensations, but "played up" their reactions because they wanted the tickling to continue. Were they "faking", if they were genuinely sensitive to it, and enjoyed it, but didn't react the same way as a model in a video? Of course not. I've also tickled women who were genuinely ticklish, and who hated it. They didn't laugh. They didn't like it. It just doesn't work like that. A steady diet of videos seems to have created unrealistic expectations.
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I completely agree. People react differently, so one will never truly know just by watching a video. So folks should just enjoy the video and not spend their energy trying to determine if someone is actually ticklish or not. Because you will never truly know just by watching. I can understand speculation such as "I think she is faking." or "Yeah, she might be acting", but to say "She is NOT ticklish!" or "She IS faking!", that's where I have the issue. Don't state it as *fact* unless you have the proof.
 
I've read several times in this thread how some people can't comprehend why others care about such authenticity. I have a hard time understanding why people wouldn't care about authenticity.

1.) Would they say they don't care about authenticity in other aspects of life, where they're presented something that's alleged to be true? If a documentary film is presented as a true life reporting of actual events, and then it's later found to have all been faked -- would these people be similarly dumbfounded as to why anyone would care? If their friend tells them a story about something that happened years ago, and then weeks or months later admitted it was all made up -- would these people also be dumbfounded as to why anyone would care it had been a lie? (I'm avoiding the easier cases of a significant other not being authentic about "I love you" -- in other words, I'm limiting my examples to one's where the information recipient isn't directly affected in any way, beyond having been told a lie.)

I think authenticity always matters in every aspect of life anytime someone is purporting to convey the truth. From politicians, to news anchors, to documentarians, to friends, to lovers, to the guy on the next bar stool spinning a yarn. You can stop believing any one of these people at any point, of course, but never once have I thought it doesn't matter if that person is lying to me, or why would anyone care if they're being lied to, or the only reason to care about being lied to is if your life is directly affected.

2.) I also keep seeing the point about "How can anyone ever truly, completely, 100% know for sure?" Why aren't they mentioning the other end of the surety continuum? Here's what I mean: Imagine a tickling video with the most ridiculously bad, blatantly obviously horrible acting. I think we can all understand what something like that might sound like: "Ha. Ha. Ha. Oh, no. I'm soooooo ticklish. Ha. Ha." delivered in a completely wooden, robotic, emotionless way.

Would these same people who are confused by this forum's interest in authenticity tell us that they'd enjoyed that video exactly as much as any other, because obviously... they've evolved past the benighted, low mental state of caring about authenticity? I kind of don't think so. I think even they would find themselves in the uncomfortable conundrum of having to admit that, "Well... yeah... in that case the fakery actually did present a problem." At that point, we're no longer a debate over whether authenticity matters, but rather a very different debate -- where each of us chooses to draw the line on the question of how bad the acting must be before authenticity matters.
 
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It's pointless arguing with some of these people. Especially that one guy who clearly said that people can basically now "identify" as being ticklish, I guess.

So if someone's staring at the wall completely still and reaction-less while being tickled, if they're passing gas or reciting La Marseillaise, all that means they're ticklish IF they say so.
You just have to listen what the people are saying, man. Learn to listen. :D
 
Not sure-----but if she looks ticklish, sounds ticklish, and it feels real---then as far as my tickling libido is concerned, it's authentic. Whether she is faking or not faking becomes unimportant if the entire "scene" comes together. Of course, everyone's' different--authenticity might be essential for someone to get off on the media, which is fine, but for most media consumers, I suspect it's about the whole package.
 
I've watched a ton of tickle videos in my life. I can definitely spot the fakers and it does zero for me. I don't even watch any more the moment I realize they are pretending. I saw a video on Youtube last night of some random, amateur woman getting tickled on her feet in black nylons. She was laughing so much but sounded like she loved every moment of it. It instantly became one of my favorite videos I have ever seen. Couldn't see anything but her feet. The laughter was incredible. It excites me knowing this woman had such ticklish feet she simply couldn't stop laughing. They don't have to be going crazy, just genuinely laughing and that is enough for me.
 
BarbaricTickler88 said:
It's pointless arguing with some of these people. Especially that one guy who clearly said that people can basically now "identify" as being ticklish, I guess.

So if someone's staring at the wall completely still and reaction-less while being tickled, if they're passing gas or reciting La Marseillaise, all that means they're ticklish IF they say so.
You just have to listen what the people are saying, man. Learn to listen. :D
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Or, it could just mean they don't like you, or don't feel comfortable with you. People respond differently to stimuli, depending on the circumstances.
 
Wolf said:
Or, it could just mean they don't like you, or don't feel comfortable with you. People respond differently to stimuli, depending on the circumstances.
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Even then, they would still think they are not ticklish because unless the person reacts exactly the same way THEY want them too, then the Lee is not ticklish at all. No, it means that you suck at tickling them or they just don't like you. If only they realized there is a big, wide world out there and many different people and reactions.
 
Very subjective at best. There was a classic fetish model named Ashley Renee who was routinely called the worst faker and as ticklish as a brick; knew a guy who actually tickled her many times, no reason to lie, and he said she was very ticklish. Would trust that opinion but goes to show how perceptions can vary and even a majority does not mean it is accurate.
 
Wolf said:
Or, it could just mean they don't like you, or don't feel comfortable with you. People respond differently to stimuli, depending on the circumstances.
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Nope, that's a dumb take at best and you clearly don't know what you're talking about, but you think you're right for some reason which makes arguing futile at best.

It doesn't matter if someone likes you or not, except maybe for some EXTREMELY light tickling. If a person is ticklish, they'll react to tickling when you press on. Period.
They'll hate it more if they don't like you or hey'll react differently, but they'll REACT nonetheless. If a person doesn't react to tickling, especially hard tickling - they're NOT ticklish.

You can't identify as being ticklish. I don't know why's that so hard to fathom.
 
BarbaricTickler88 said:
Nope, that's a dumb take at best and you clearly don't know what you're talking about, but you think you're right for some reason which makes arguing futile at best.

It doesn't matter if someone likes you or not, except maybe for some EXTREMELY light tickling. If a person is ticklish, they'll react to tickling when you press on. Period.
They'll hate it more if they don't like you or hey'll react differently, but they'll REACT nonetheless. If a person doesn't react to tickling, especially hard tickling - they're NOT ticklish.

You can't identify as being ticklish. I don't know why's that so hard to fathom.
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You don't get out much, do you? Oh I know, "I have tickled lots of women, so...." is what you will respond with. But if that is your take, then you really haven't done much. Yeah, Yeah, you will reply with "You don't know me! I have tickled so many....." You really haven't experienced a diverse set of people. There are people who if they don't like you, if you try to tickle them, they will not respond in the way you want them too.

Does everyone react to pain the same? Some folks when hit very hard will react very demonstratively, while some others will just take it. You won't even know if they were hurt. Does it mean the people who just take it don't feel pain?

So what you are saying is, even if the person tells you that what you are doing tickles them, you will automatically dismiss it because YOU don't like the way they react? Seems kind of....ignorant, don't you think?
 
BarbaricTickler88 said:
Nope, that's a dumb take at best and you clearly don't know what you're talking about, but you think you're right for some reason which makes arguing futile at best. It doesn't matter if someone likes you or not, except maybe for some EXTREMELY light tickling. If a person is ticklish, they'll react to tickling when you press on. Period. They'll hate it more if they don't like you or they'll react differently, but they'll REACT nonetheless. If a person doesn't react to tickling, especially hard tickling - they're NOT ticklish. You can't identify as being ticklish. I don't know why's that so hard to fathom.
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I'm reminded of the parable of The Blind men and the Elephant; Your perception is clearly limited by your lack of experience, your geography, and by your own unwillingness to accept information that does not fit into your viewpoint. People react differently to tickling, based on any number of factors. Someone can be wildly ticklish when the tickler is someone they're comfortable with, or attracted to, and freeze up or even be repulsed if that tickler reminds them of a predatory relative who abused them when they were young. Thinking that you've just got to do it harder to get a reaction shows that you're not really looking at them as human beings, more like sacks of meat you want to inflict something on. Someone can be unbearably ticklish when they're in the right situation (no matter who the tickler is), and traumatized when it's a bad situation, and just freeze up. You think they're just not ticklish, when they could be terrified. Thanks to bad actors, people with fetishes are often unfairly branded as weird or creepy, and that kind of attitude doesn't help.

Despite your subtle as a hand grenade in a barrel of oatmeal allusions to the contrary, when it comes to responses to stimuli, as with many other things, people aren't binary.
 
sceej56 said:
Very subjective at best. There was a classic fetish model named Ashley Renee who was routinely called the worst faker and as ticklish as a brick; knew a guy who actually tickled her many times, no reason to lie, and he said she was very ticklish. Would trust that opinion but goes to show how perceptions can vary and even a majority does not mean it is accurate.
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I remember a video of her tied to a bed and tickled by 5 people. She couldn't even catch her breath she was laughing so hard.
 
Look, guys, first of all, being an authority on stepping out of the introvert comfort zone and talking to people does not make you an authority of tickling in general or give you the right to belittle or project accusations of inexperience OR arrogance onto people. I'm looking at you, Wolf and primetime. You might be able to tell a couple of people here how to meet people, and the fact that you have the ability to talk to people comfortably in a fetish environment is nice (In my opinion, due to a lack of need for social skills to break the ice and accessibility, taking trips to fetish meetups aren't the greatest sign of social grace). However, whatever experience(s) came of your social meeting(s) do(es) NOT alone make you such an authority on the matter that you can belittle other people's perceptions on the matter. Once again, Wolf and primetime are doing that a lot. There are those of us who may have not as many experiences tickling in our personal/adult lives as you. That does not mean that we don't have ANY experience, OR a concept of how people's attitudes affect their interactions with others.

While we don't talk about it here because it's against the rules, for good reason, MUCH of the reason that we identify with each other is that most of us experienced and gave tickling quite often while growing up and recognized the effect it had on us. We have also tickled or been tickled randomly, if only playfully, many times in adulthood as well. Most people here KNOW that it is a feeling that can be fought off sometimes if someone really don't like the person or being tickled. That doesn't mean that the only reason we have experienced non-ticklish reactions is because we're a bunch of deviants touching people against their will. The fact that you have to go THAT FAR in accusations to discredit people that you'd suggest that the people we were with or tickled never even liked us and we were somehow too stupid to realize it, spreading such a toxic concept really suggests that you don't have any confidence about what you're saying. I'll say it again, it's just plain abusive.

I'm somewhat happy that a thread on this site has turned into a point for people to question how they perceive their sexuality and reality if they never did before, and I appreciate the agnostic subtext in this discussion. But if experience doing things, NOT NECESSARILY understanding them, just doing them more often than others, alone gives a person the right to belittle other people's views, not logic and argument, then I suppose that all of the years so many people have spent studying science, philosophy, religion and the human experience and reflecting on their own lives and other people's was a waste of time.

In reality, a person who studies one lesson over an over could be an authority on the matter, but they could also just be a terrible student and have never learned anymore than the person who studied the same lesson only once. The fact that these threads tend to turn into flat out flame wars make me think that very few people are even secure about their conclusions at all, if not also certain.

I've been aware of the diversity of how certain experiences are perceived as sexualities since I realized tickling affected me sexually. I've been curious about sexuality since somebody I was close to came out to me as gay when I was young. Not making a connection with that necessarily, but I've also learned how not only physiological differences, but also certain life experiences have formed people's reactions to certain situations that may also affect their sexuality. It's a topic I'm open minded about.

primetime, I'm aware that people like the man on the hooks you met at that Fetish convention enjoy themself as they experience pain. I think that is another rare and interesting experience to stimuli, but that isn't exactly the question here. The question relating to your experience and this thread I would ask wouldn't be "Did HE say that it hurt him?", the question I would ask would be "Could YOU SEE that it hurt him, or that it was a part of his experience, in addition to enjoyment?". I imagine that you must have come to some conclusion and asked yourself these questions before you asked him.

Personally, I'm not saying that a person can't react differently, like I said before about the woman you mentioned who is extremely ticklish but doesn't laugh or move, that's possible and that's fine. But that's not the point here. The question is, when you were with her, could you SENSE, SEE or otherwise FEEL anything when you tickled her? From a sudden emotional irregularity between you two to even a muscle twitch? Some people can't feel the electricity between themself and others, but if you acknowledge that you could see, feel or sense SOMETHING with her, THAT'S the point about being able to see authenticity. For reasons related to sense, you must have come to SOME conclusion, unless she naturally creates an emotional blank with people when tickled as a defense tactic or something.

And honestly, if you're with someone, you abandon the idea of having any amount of intuition about your partner's feelings, simply to enjoy yourself, or if your intuition was untrained and WRONG, I don't know if that could be possible for you primetime. You talk about being with several women. But not having or giving validity to the idea of being conscious of their feelings could very well make you a much less effective partner, unless they're okay with giving YOU all the directions. If you're doing as well as you are, whether giving orgasms or tickling, you MUST be sensing something when you're with them. After all, if MOST people can't tickle themselves, it would never work if they had to give a tickler all the directions and control their hands. You'd have to figure out what tickles them and what doesn't, or they wouldn't enjoy it.

Either way, videos that offer little to no signs of a genuine ticklish feeling are pretty boring for the reason of immediate reward from a reaction. Shoot, I might like to see reactions like the woman you're talking about primetime, see what it looks like and if it really is so hard to read. Whatever feedback given, even spoken, about how torturous it is, might offer a unique form of enjoyment. I'm guessing that it would have to give them SOME kind of reaction, even an increased heartbeat, body temperature, headache, or something if it really is torture for them. Otherwise, it almost sounds like they go into a very short period comatose state, which would be one of the ONLY situations where you might not be able to sense the effect you're having on someone, in which case unless you just like touching them, I just don't see the appeal in tickling them.
 
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Look, guys, first of all, being an authority on stepping out of the introvert comfort zone and talking*to people does not make you an authority of tickling in general or give you the right to belittle or project accusations of inexperience*OR arrogance onto people.* I'm looking at you, Wolf and primetime.* You might be able to tell a couple of people here how to meet people, and*the fact that you have the*ability to talk to people comfortably in a fetish environment is nice*(In my opinion, due to a lack of need for social skills to break the ice and accessibility, taking trips to fetish meetups aren't the greatest sign of social grace).* However, whatever experience(s) came of your social meeting(s) do(es) NOT alone make you such an authority on the matter that you can belittle other people's perceptions on the matter.* Once again, Wolf and primetime are doing that alot.* There are those of us who may have not as many experiences tickling in our personal/adult lives as you.* That does not mean that we don't have ANY experience, OR a concept of how people's attitudes affect their interactions with others.

While we don't talk about it here because it's against the rules, for good reason, MUCH of the reason that we identify with each other is that most of us experienced and gave tickling quite often while growing up and recognized the effect it had on us.* We have also tickled or been tickled randomly, if only playfully, many times in adulthood as well.* Most people here KNOW that it is a feeling that can be fought off sometimes if someone really don't like the person or being tickled.* That doesn't mean that the only reason we have experienced non-ticklish reactions is because we're a bunch of deviants touching people against their will.* The fact that you have to go THAT FAR in accusations to discredit people that you'd suggest that the people we were with or tickled never even liked us and we were somehow too stupid to realize it, spreading such a toxic concept really suggests that you don't have any confidence about what you're saying.* I'll say it again, it's just plain abusive.

I'm somewhat happy that a thread on this site has turned into a point for people to question how they perceive their sexuality and reality if they never did before, and I appreciate the agnostic subtext in this discussion.* But if experience doing things, NOT NECESSARILY understanding them, just doing them more often than others, alone gives a person the right to belittle other people's views, not logic and argument, then I suppose that all of the years so many people have spent studying science, philosophy, religion* and the human experience and reflecting on their own lives and other people's was a waste of time.

In reality, a person who studies one lesson over an over*could be an authority on the matter, but they could also just be a terrible student and have never learned anymore than the person who studied the same lesson only once.* The fact that these threads tend to turn into flat out flame wars make me think that very few people are even secure about their conclusions at all, if not also certain.

I've been aware of the diversity of how certain experiences are perceived*as sexualities since I realized tickling affected me sexually. I've been curious about sexuality since somebody I was close to came out to me as gay when I was young. Not making a connection with that necessarily, but I've also learned how not only physiological differences, but also certain life experiences have formed people's reactions to certain situations that may also affect their sexuality.* It's a topic I'm open minded*about.

primetime, I'm aware that people like the man on the hooks you met at that Fetish convention enjoy themself as they experience pain.* I think that is another rare and interesting experience to stimuli, but that isn't exactly the question here.* The question relating to your experience and this thread I would ask wouldn't be "Did HE say that it hurt him?", the question I would ask would be "Could YOU SEE that it hurt him, or that it was a part of his experience, in addition to enjoyment?".* I imagine that you must have come to some conclusion and asked yourself these questions before you asked him.

Personally, I'm not saying that a person can't react differently, like I said before about the woman you mentioned who*is extremely ticklish but doesn't laugh or move, that's possible and that's fine.* But that's not the point here.* The question is, when you were with her, could you SENSE, SEE or otherwise FEEL anything when you tickled her?* From a sudden emotional irregularity between you two to even a muscle twitch?* Some people can't*feel the electricity between themself and others, but if you acknowledge that you could see, feel or sense SOMETHING with her, THAT'S the point about being able to see authenticity.* For reasons related to sense, you must have come to SOME conclusion,*unless she naturally creates an emotional*blank with people when tickled as a defense tactic or something.

And honestly, if you're with someone, you abandon the idea of having any amount of intuition about your partner's feelings,*simply to enjoy yourself, or if your*intuition was untrained and WRONG, I don't know if that could be possible for you primetime.* You talk about being with several women.* But not having or giving validity to the idea of being conscious of their feelings could very well make*you a much less effective partner, unless they're okay with giving YOU all the directions.* If you're doing as well as you are, whether giving orgasms or tickling, you MUST*be sensing something when you're with them.* After all, if MOST people can't tickle themselves, it would never work if they had to give a tickler all the directions and control their*hands.* You'd have to figure out what tickles them and what doesn't, or they wouldn't enjoy it.

Either way, videos that offer little to no signs of a genuine ticklish feeling are pretty boring for the reason of immediate reward from a reaction.* Shoot, I might like to see reactions like the woman you're talking about primetime, see what it looks like and if it really is so hard to read.* Whatever feedback given, even spoken, about how torturous it is, might offer a unique form of enjoyment.* I'm guessing that it would have to give them SOME kind of reaction, even an increased heartbeat, body temperature, headache, or something if it really is torture for them.* Otherwise, it almost sounds like they go into a very short period comatose state, which would be one of the ONLY situations where you might not be able to sense the effect you're having on someone, in which case unless you just like touching them, I just don't see the appeal in tickling them.
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Ok, first this was a post with a whole lot of words that make me think you literally have no idea what my point is. Let me make this real simple for you because you brought up a certain example. Let's talk about the woman I got to play with, that did not demonstrate the usual "signs" of ticklish responses. You wrote:

The question is, when you were with her, could you SENSE, SEE or otherwise FEEL anything when you tickled her?* From a sudden emotional irregularity between you two to even a muscle twitch?

This is important to point out. Why? Because I am WITH THE PERSON IN QUESTION. I am not watching a video. I am with the other human being, interacting and responding to their movements, words, and actions. My entire point, if you even remotely read my words, is that you cannot tell if someone is faking IF YOU ARE WATCHING A VIDEO. Does that make sense now? I literally said you don't truly know unless you physically interact with the person, or they tell you they are faking. That's the entire point. Get it?

As for the responses that Wolf and I had, I can't speak for him, but the poster basically said ANYONE who is ticklish WILL react in a certain way even if you do it light touch or hard touch. That is based on his own limited experiences. What we are trying to point out is that humans have a multitude of reactions to stimuli. There is no ONE kind of response as that dude tried to say. I told him he must not get out much, because the more diverse experiences you have with other humans, the more you can be exposed to those different responses. All this rambling by you about social skills and all that stuff is pointless. THE point is you can't tell fakeness for a fact by watching a video. If there are different responses to stimuli, and you understand that very simple concept, how can you say for a fact the model in the video is faking? It is not make me an authority because I even said it is possible that the models ARE faking. I never said every video is authentic. But for anyone to state factually that the model is ticklish without any real evidence, just going by video, does not have enough experiences to see that they could be compoletely wrong. I will let you marinate on that for a moment.....

Oh, before I go, about the guy hanging from the ceiling in pain, I imagined what it would be like if I was in that position. I was not trying to determine if HE was in pain, I was thinking about how I would be in pain. That is why I asked him, if he felt any pain because I would have been screaming like a bitch.... But he did not react the same way I would, so I asked. I didn't watch him and conclude it if hurt him or not. Because he wasn't demonstrating what my idea of pain reactions are, I had no idea if he did feel pain or did not. Just like when you watch tickle videos. YOU DON'T KNOW unless you interact with the person receiving the stimuli. This isn't hard...
 
I' ll give you an insider insight, for what it's worth because people will believe what they want to believe in the end.

1) A producer wants to have fun and have the most ticklish models as much as you do. He would only allow a fake if the model already costs too much and he needs a return on investment (This is by each producer's ethic)

2) The % of actual video with faking is quite negligible, definitely below 10 %. And half of them comes from the Onlyfans girls that people like because they are amateur.
Spoiler : "Ticklish couples" or creators like that do not have any incentive to produce true work, they don't work with others, they don't even show their face often.
Not saying that all of them are bad.

3) Models do react uniquely, and even people who are in the business for 20 years can still be suprised by models reactions. There are no rules, period.

4) A model can be not ticklish one day and be another day, for stress reason. (or anything in between), so don't freak out is they react differently over time or with different producers.


I have no problems with people freaking out about fakes, I don't like it myself. But people saying that they will not buy any video because they fear this have a flawed reasoning.

If you had food poisoning once, do you stop to eat ?

Make lists of models that admit faking, ask for previews because you have the right to know what you are buying into.

But do not put every producer into the same bucket, and even so, even a producer that has cut a corner once does not deserve to be boycotted on his whole production.
 
This is interesting… some very interesting perspectives on the “issue” with faking.

Send all prospective tickling models to me for testing and I will give them a certificate authenticity to their ticklishness and be good to shoot with going forward.

Honestly things change and people change. I have worked my majority of producing videos with friends as my models. Rarely have o used an “industry model” maybe twice. One thing I noticed because they are friends is comfort ability. The more comfortable they are the more of an “authentic” reaction you will get on camera. I’ve literally had friends that modeled for me get nervous when the camera is on and just lock up. But I tickle them while having coffee or out and about and they crumple and laugh their heads off. Situations and environment can dictate actions. Things we did was try to be as funny and natural as possible on set to break through that ice. OR the second time they come back for a shoot their reactions are different because they are comfortable. Maybe I don’t use the first time they shoot with me and use the second session because they are more comfortable.

Strange stuff like that just happens.


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